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T Shell
02-28-10, 11:41
OK, now that I know WHERE MT is, I will NOT TOFTT.

As a out of towner - I appreciate you all posting, so I can know which places are hot, and alternatively where the heat is on, so to speak.

I can post as to the first -but locals know best on the second

Magiks
02-28-10, 11:43
First time poster. Went to Papaya this morning for a little relaxation. After giving mamasan the standard for a half hour, good looking older woman came in for my massage. She wasn't too talkative, didn't get a name. Gave her a standard Nova tip ($20, right?) prior to her beginning. TS is not in service, so that was out of the question. No lotion, no roaming, no nothing. After the flip I expected the fun to begin. Nothing. She kept commenting how the half hour was over after 20 minutes. I told her I didn't think so. After the 30 minutes really ended and she made no attempt at a finish, I left. What gives?I think you answered your own question there.

You might want to try to RTFF a bit.

Eerock
03-01-10, 09:17
...is exactly right. I still wonder how MT stays open when all the others have been raided and caused untold grief to the guys trapped inside at the time.

Still too dangerous for me anyway but everyone can pick their own peril.

JJIf MT was afraid of suffering a fate similar to that of other PWC establishments, I don't think its proprietor would be posting here, and the few other boards on which posts appear under that name. (And watching one of the loudmouths on a NYC-area centric board go after it had its moments.)

Alpha D
03-02-10, 19:08
The passing thought first:

If MT and other places truly want to know early and often whether the clientel is happy with their services, then the mammasan needs to be the last person to see a client before he leaves. This was the practice at Green in DC and is the practice in a couple of places across NoVA. There are few places (I can think of only one at the present) where the lack of mammasan was not an issue. Rather than MT's proprieter telling us to ask for the management if we are not happy, a more proactive approach would offer opportunistic praise as well as constructive criticism. Having to ask for the mammasan after receiving poor service is the last thing on my mind and unless I feel especially empathetic to the establishment, I probably won't bother to ask for the management. In short, proactive approach would give good feedback on both sides of the coin.

Scoop:

The bust that is rumored to be coming to the NoVA AMPs is apparently imminent. Those AMPs who have no massage licenses or are using unlicensed therapists or whose therapists are lacking a good green card are at risk. Not telling you to avoid your favorite providers, but be aware of the reasons for a crack down and be a smart shopper. I have an acquaintance in the area that has his ear to the ground. Be safe out there.

AD

Max Beelyun
03-03-10, 02:20
Thanks, MT. Note Guitarman1's post carefully. Some guys get off on the looks of the girl, and other guys (like me) get off on the mood. As soon as the girl starts upselling, the mood is completely ruined for me. If the girl is really good, I will tip more without being asked. If the girl asks for more, nicely, AFTER the session, I may give it -- if the service was good. If the girl starts negotiating right at the beginning, that wrecks everything. If you go to a restaurant for a nice dinner, do you want the waiter to ask about the tip BEFORE taking your order? Would that affect the enjoyment of your dinner?

I'm sure that some of the girls do the upsell in advance because they worry that the guy will be cheap. Maybe they've been burned before. I'm sorry about that, but that's not my fault so don't penalize me for it. That's just one of the risks of being in a service-oriented business. Some customers will be jerks.

I appreciate your willingness to talk, but I'm not going to talk to the mamasan about anything, ever. I just don't have the time and I don't need the headache. If the girl is bad, I'm just going to go somewhere else the next time. So far that's been a good strategy. I switch places maybe once a year.


I agree to try and be more friendly to you guys on this board. After all the purpose of this is to create a report that benefits all of us. Thanks guys for understanding.

About "talking to management" at the time. I can't say exactly what will happen except that we will do our best to handle each one of you and your concerns on a "case by case" basis. Sorry that I can't make blanket statements regarding this.

Even though PWC is like it is right now I want you guys to still feel comfortable and relax when and if you come over. Thanks guys for keeping us busy; even in times like this.

Brahmabull
03-03-10, 11:14
I'm sure that some of the girls do the upsell in advance because they worry that the guy will be cheap. Maybe they've been burned before. I'm sorry about that, but that's not my fault so don't penalize me for it. .


Actually by requiring the tip 1st she is protecting HER interest in the service, I perfer to tip after but have no problem with a girl asking me for the tip 1st if we have NOT seen each other before. Trust is to be earned, not given freely, and as a hobbiest/monger you should know we have some shady guys in the hobby who have not tipped or under tipped. Why should SHE be penalized for it.

Outside of AMPs, SW, Escorts, Strippers, what ever YOU PAY 1ST, none of them provide their services and collect after. Sometimes you get burned giving an Escort or SW their fee 1st and get none or little of the expected service. But that is the risk WE the hobbiest take, why do people continue to think it is ok for the AMP girl to assume all the risk?

After your 1st visit, talk to your provider say, "Hey, I am not going to cheat you, I like you and will take care of you, but I do not like stopping in the middle of the experience to do business" most of them will understand and just ask that you be an honest guy and really take care of them.

Remember you are not "entitled" to anything in that room but a massage, anything else that happens is up to the girl and it is our responsibility to make them happy to provide it. I suggest with a few exceptions that if you receive bad service the hobbiest is partly or mostly to blame, he did something wrong no matter how small a thing to change the girls mood/attitude. She does not have to do anything but give you a massage and that is it, some of us need to remember that, you have to work the girl to get the extras you want. That is how it was back in the day when I started, too many guys these days do not want to put forth the effort and want everything automatically delivered.

Why do you think YMMV always applies to this hobby? Because on any given day any given girl may or may not provide the service you want. It is YOUR game that determines the outcome. If you on it, you will be happy. If you are not, do not blame the girl.

/End Rant.
BB

AKFourtySeven
03-03-10, 14:55
It seems like I've gotten better service when I leave the tip on the table.

The gorls seem to be more relaxed and friendly while they work.

Jus sayin

BigTigger
03-03-10, 17:53
This has been a great discussion, and I'm not joking about that either. But now, back to the reviews/reports my fellow mongers........ pls

BigTigg

Jim Rob
03-03-10, 18:22
To each is own. Leave the money on the table in plain view under your cell phone and keys.. If she can't get the hint, then she is too stupid to get you off. To me I see AMPS different then I do an escort or SW. When you go to an AMP you're going for the sensual service. When you go to a SW or an escort you're just looking to bust a nut. I don't want to sound racist, but the asian will work work harder to get that nicer tip then most escorts.

Brahmabull
03-04-10, 09:03
To me I see AMPS different then I do an escort or SW. When you go to an AMP you're going for the sensual service. When you go to a SW or an escort you're just looking to bust a nut.

I agree, a FS AMP is generally always better then a SW, although many here have sampled some gems (SW and Escorts), but the service while maybe better at an AMP, it is basically the same service. As such providers who require payment up front are not in the wrong.

Once you have an established client/provider trust, you should and can discuss your options and agree when business will be conducted.

For those suggesting leaving the tip out 1st, this is fine, I have no problem with it, but it can cause you to TOFTT when you do not mean to. Escorts usually instruct the client to put the tip in a certain place on arrival, so she does not have to "ask for it". If you do this at an AMP on a 1st time visit with a girl who you do not yet know what service she is going to agree to, you may lose that tip. But it is considered a show of faith and is usually rewarded. I too sometimes use this method if I feel uneasy about it when she comes to the room, I tell her, "Some or all of this is for you, if I recieve great service it will all be yours, if the service does not quite meet my expectations I may take some back". It serves as an incentive for them to put forth their best effort.

Long time mongers I offer a parting thought, if you disagree thats fine, I won't argue my point.

WE, yes WE have at least partial responsibility for the new, sometimes "younger" mongers in the game who mistreat, under tip, or leave no tip for the girls. We have to take extra care of them by treating them well and with respect and lastly providing a fare to generous tip. Our efforts should include our desire to make up for any bad experiences they have had with other people. BECAUSE we share information on this site and others that have increased the number of people who find our spots, those guys we do not really know their temperment or how they will tip or treat the girls. Guys who without sites like this and others or intel we provide may not have found our spots and done a disservice to the hobby. Since we freely share the information, with little or no regard to how someone may use it to soil the hobby, we bear responsibility for it.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

Take care
BB

Fatpig
03-04-10, 13:47
went over to the spa by popeyes in sterling to see Maya and she is on vacation but new girl. I said no thanks today and went to a backup....good day. Saw nana. she used to be in Holiday in chantilly now here. She remembers me. No shower still at this place but they are building one. So hot towels to clean. oil massage that was more of a rub but nice. She has good technique. Sensual and a complete 60 minutes of massage. Very nice and left happy.

I prefer places with TS and would wait until they have it in place.

Hofi35
03-04-10, 22:38
Do you, or your acquaintance with ears have any idea where, like what county? Last thing I need is my photo in papers. Thanks [Scoop:

The bust that is rumored to be coming to the NoVA AMPs is apparently imminent. Those AMPs who have no massage licenses or are using unlicensed therapists or whose therapists are lacking a good green card are at risk. Not telling you to avoid your favorite providers, but be aware of the reasons for a crack down and be a smart shopper. I have an acquaintance in the area that has his ear to the ground. Be safe out there.

AD[/QUOTE]

MassLover
03-06-10, 03:25
Do you, or your acquaintance with ears have any idea where, like what county? Last thing I need is my photo in papers. Thanks [Scoop:

The bust that is rumored to be coming to the NoVA AMPs is apparently imminent. Those AMPs who have no massage licenses or are using unlicensed therapists or whose therapists are lacking a good green card are at risk. Not telling you to avoid your favorite providers, but be aware of the reasons for a crack down and be a smart shopper. I have an acquaintance in the area that has his ear to the ground. Be safe out there.

AD[/QUOTE]Watch out those KAMPs in Sterling area who offer FS. I don't want to give names. But, I am sure you know which ones. Uncle Leo know more or less what is going on inside each AMP. They may ignore those who offer only HE, but surely not those offering FS.

Hondo17
03-06-10, 08:03
Was in the NOVA area last week for a business trip and decided to check out Enliven for the first time. Easy to get too since it is off the beltway but kind of hidden. Asked for Amy based on some earlier reviews. Nice body great massage and great finish including roaming.

Will definitely go back there

Eerock
03-06-10, 10:25
I prefer places with TS and would wait until they have it in place.It is my impression spas are moving away from TS, probably because it is then easier to pass themselves off as legit massage places. Do you know of places that opened up without a TS, and then put one in later?

Sleazebum
03-06-10, 18:49
Actually, at times it is the BEST part! If the place does not have a TS I leave and go on over to the FCCC for the rest.

JJ


It is my impression spas are moving away from TS, probably because it is then easier to pass themselves off as legit massage places. Do you know of places that opened up without a TS, and then put one in later?

Alpha D
03-06-10, 23:43
Do you, or your acquaintance with ears have any idea where, like what county? Last thing I need is my photo in papers. Thanks

Scoop:

The bust that is rumored to be coming to the NoVA AMPs is apparently imminent. Those AMPs who have no massage licenses or are using unlicensed therapists or whose therapists are lacking a good green card are at risk. Not telling you to avoid your favorite providers, but be aware of the reasons for a crack down and be a smart shopper. I have an acquaintance in the area that has his ear to the ground. Be safe out there.

AD
Hofi,

I don't know what county or counties are involved. I'd suggest being careful in any NoVA AMP for a while.

AD

Brahmabull
03-07-10, 00:32
Hofi,

I don't know what county or counties are involved. I'd suggest being careful in any NoVA AMP for a while.

AD


There really are only 3, well 4 if you count Arlington, which hardly anyone does. Safe to say if Sterling spas are at risk it would be Loudon. FF County trends and tends to be HJ only.

WayneZWorld202
03-07-10, 22:20
I'm a newbie who has been on these boards for a couple years but never posted.

Fairly younger guy but have been in the AMP scene for a few years from HWC in woodbrige, to a spa in DC above thee Eyebar, spa that was near the mci center and also one off of Backlick.

But this review is for SoftTouch.

Located in small business park, looked empty from outside so I parked around the corner rung the doorbell and was greeted by mamasan who took me into the room took the house fee of 60. And then escorted me into the TS. Mamasan was older lady but gave a pretty good And thorough TS.

She then escorted me back to the room andi was greeted by ANOTHER older asian lady by the name of Lucky. She proceeded to give decent massage on upper shoulders and fingers and then moved down to lower back and then moved the towel. Working on my upper legs and then a slight RJ whicch suprised me. Flipped with standard nova finish. For details PM me.

Looks: 4

Massage: 7

Others: 5

Computer Luvvv
03-08-10, 05:41
Watch out for the "upsell"

OneHitWonders
03-08-10, 09:23
The passing thought first:

If MT and other places truly want to know early and often whether the clientel is happy with their services, then the mammasan needs to be the last person to see a client before he leaves. This was the practice at Green in DC and is the practice in a couple of places across NoVA. There are few places (I can think of only one at the present) where the lack of mammasan was not an issue. Rather than MT's proprieter telling us to ask for the management if we are not happy, a more proactive approach would offer opportunistic praise as well as constructive criticism. Having to ask for the mammasan after receiving poor service is the last thing on my mind and unless I feel especially empathetic to the establishment, I probably won't bother to ask for the management. In short, proactive approach would give good feedback on both sides of the coin.

Scoop:

The bust that is rumored to be coming to the NoVA AMPs is apparently imminent. Those AMPs who have no massage licenses or are using unlicensed therapists or whose therapists are lacking a good green card are at risk. Not telling you to avoid your favorite providers, but be aware of the reasons for a crack down and be a smart shopper. I have an acquaintance in the area that has his ear to the ground. Be safe out there.

AD


Thanks for the Scoop. I appreciate the notice. I think Loudoun, PWC and FFX are the main areas. You never hear anything from Arl. Like you said "try to be a smart shopper"!

OneHitWonders
03-08-10, 09:32
Actually, at times it is the BEST part! If the place does not have a TS I leave and go on over to the FCCC for the rest.

JJ

I have always enjoyed the table shower experiences before the massage. Even the fancier spas offer some type of shower/ sprays before the massage starts. I certaintly hope any new ones opening up will include the shower. If I am coming from a workout from the gym then it is a big plus for the spa to offer a shower first!

Funkey
03-11-10, 21:15
WOW -- is it "quiet on the western front" or what?

Almost 3 days with no substantial reports.

I guess it is probably as quiet at our favorite haunts while we wait for the imminent bust to occur.

I will be breaking the silence this weekend after I make a visit to help "stimulate" the economy.

Fun

Max Beelyun
03-12-10, 19:16
Here's a report. Went to Enliven. Can't remember the lady's name, but she's older, pushing 50, very small. Kind of disappointing visit. She answered phone three times during session. Very uninspiring massage. Very mediocre ending -- lots of "oh yeah baby" but she ignored my requests to slow down and was way too rough. Clearly she wanted me to finish up. May try another place next time, if there are any.

Magical Touch
03-13-10, 10:25
I know people here hide their identities here and some for good reasons. How do you guys feel if I were to keep "our" information in some kind of database or outlook contact file? It wouldn't be located at my place of business or home either.

I wanted to keep this info so I can contact customers who have special requests either by cell phone or a diferent email etc. Also if I were to ever move I can take my customers with me by contacting them if need B. BC me since enough was said here already.

Gene Glenn
03-13-10, 12:05
In general I find recording of phone records and e-mail in databases of customers scary considering how many times that an agency or independent has had to turn them over to those getting too nosy. In addition no matter where you keep it, it could be stolen as other records are kept and be used for even more nefarious things.


I know people here hide their identities here and some for good reasons. How do you guys feel if I were to keep "our" information in some kind of database or outlook contact file? It wouldn't be located at my place of business or home either.

I wanted to keep this info so I can contact customers who have special requests either by cell phone or a diferent email etc. Also if I were to ever move I can take my customers with me by contacting them if need B. BC me since enough was said here already.

Brahmabull
03-13-10, 13:07
In general I find recording of phone records and e-mail in databases of customers scary considering how many times that an agency or independent has had to turn them over to those getting too nosy. In addition no matter where you keep it, it could be stolen as other records are kept and be used for even more nefarious things.


Don't most mongers have a hobby phone(prepaid no contract) and a throw away email (yahoo, msn, gmail etc) address?

I am not newsworthy. So anyone finding information (even if it was tracable back to me, which a hobby phone and bs email are not) in someone's book, or email contacts is not going to do anything.

Unless you are caught in the act what can they do to you? Your name in someone's db is not going to do much.

Think of all the drug dealer phones and pagers confiscated over the years full of numbers, do you think they have the time and resources to track down all those people who may or may not have bought drugs from someone? Or to set up a bunch of individual stings to catch drug users?

I get it that no one wants to be embarassed by having information made public, but that is the point of hobby phones and generic email.

AKFourtySeven
03-13-10, 19:35
Yes I have a prepaid cell. I wonder if they are keeping track of the MapQuest searches? You know, looking up that new massage parlor to find out where it is.

Guitarman1
03-13-10, 20:39
I know people here hide their identities here and some for good reasons. How do you guys feel if I were to keep "our" information in some kind of database or outlook contact file? It wouldn't be located at my place of business or home either.

I wanted to keep this info so I can contact customers who have special requests either by cell phone or a diferent email etc. Also if I were to ever move I can take my customers with me by contacting them if need B. BC me since enough was said here already.

People here hide their identities for a good reason. It depends how much info you are asking. If you are happy with a prepaid phone number and anonymous e-mail address then most wont have a problem giving you the info.

Some providers and agencies do a screening process. I never have and never will see a provider or use an agency that asks for my real name or a work phone number.

Nice 499
03-13-10, 20:46
Went to Papaya on Friday afternoon. I noticed the mamasan is the same one who used to operate 112. I like her because she always makes a point to ask if I am satisfied with the services. I can also report they are operating on the same business model that they did with 112.

Nice 499
03-13-10, 20:48
I've seen her before. I believe she is the mamasan.



Here's a report. Went to Enliven. Can't remember the lady's name, but she's older, pushing 50, very small. Kind of disappointing visit. She answered phone three times during session. Very uninspiring massage. Very mediocre ending -- lots of "oh yeah baby" but she ignored my requests to slow down and was way too rough. Clearly she wanted me to finish up. May try another place next time, if there are any.

Yakblat
03-15-10, 13:05
I dropped in just after noon on Mar 10 and nobody answered the door, all the blinds were drawn too with no lights on inside. A half hour later I dropped by again with the same result. Did something happen there? Are they still in business?

Yakblat
03-15-10, 13:13
This is where I had my first massage I had in the US, it was about six months ago. I wrote about Tina and her skilled massage technique and good enough HE. A forum member PMed me a few months ago and said that the HE was no longer on offer. Since I wanted a good massage, I stopped by there again to check it out. Tina is still there with her great technique. Although she very purposefully brushed up against Mick and the Boys, there was no HE.

Perhaps something made the establishment nervous and they've drawn in their horns a bit, only to let them out for their regular customers. Since I had only been there once six months ago, she probably wasn't sure about me. Her massage really is first rate, to be enjoyed especially if you're the athletic type, so I'll be back again in a week or so and see if we can reconnect. 80/20 Yak

Yakblat
03-15-10, 13:23
It's been quite a while since my last expedition into the wilds on NOVA for a massage, and since Evergreen was closed when I stopped in last week I diverted to NSP.

Mama threw me quite a few questions so I think they are nervous about something. Yuri(???) was sent to my room and in a few minutes gave me a comprehensive TS. Later, back in the room, she displayed no evident massage skills but was very friendly and affectionate. She's quite nice to look at, and so was the other masseuse on duty who took a look at me on my way out.

I like a good massage so this really isn't the place for me, only for a back-up maybe. Yak

AKFourtySeven
03-15-10, 15:48
On Gallows Road. In Fairfax. Older lady. She gave an excellent massage. No extras. Massage lasted 1 hr. Will wonders never cease! Nobody else was there. Quiet. Best of all the price was $60 per hour. They advertise on CL.

Highly reccomended for the massage.

Pilot Aviator
03-15-10, 22:14
Gents.

Add "Orient SPA" to your list.

This has been a well reviewed and for many, an ATF.

Arrival: 4

I called ahead for an appointment (not knowing the name had changed). So the signage surprised me, and so did the lackluster greeting by Rubie/Ruby.

I know several have a great MT/client relationship with Rubie/Ruby, but for whatever reason, she and I just don't connect on any level.

But still, rather than passing me to another (when I called ahead I asked for ***** (but she was not working today), Ruby took me to the usual room, took the usual fee, brought me the change and off to the TS

TS: 6

OK, I was going to score this a 5, but objectively, a 6 is fair. But although I left clean, little fun and no massage with the suds today.

A dry towel on my shoulders and back to the room for the massage.

For what seemed like 10 minutes, I was left alone (under towels thank goodness because it was cold). I can hear much talking out in the hall by several ladies.

<CHANGE MOOD

Now enter the room. Jeannie/Genie. And all of a sudden I know things have just gotten better. Jeannie is a great provider with a super, fun way and attitude.

Massage: 8+

Her technique for medium-deep is exceptional. And her back-walking excellent. She is good.

Enjoyment. In aggregate. A 7+/8. But all the Jeannie parts were 9++

Farewell: Jeannie walked me to the door. Gave me a water, a hug, a pat and made me promise to return this weekend. If I do, I will report.

PA

MoonView
03-15-10, 23:20
Here's a report. Went to Enliven. Can't remember the lady's name, but she's older, pushing 50, very small. Kind of disappointing visit. She answered phone three times during session. Very uninspiring massage. Very mediocre ending -- lots of "oh yeah baby" but she ignored my requests to slow down and was way too rough. Clearly she wanted me to finish up. May try another place next time, if there are any.

Yeah, since Coco left it's gone to hell pretty fast.

MnV

DiryDirtyMind
03-16-10, 18:13
Just saw her today, Garden is a nice clean spa, very relaxing, easy enough parking to look like your going somewhere else in the complex. Amy was probably in her 40s but spoke perfect English, great massage worth just the massage then the flip good technique but nothing else on the menu.

Not my typical type but great relaxing spa with hot towel at the end and no upsell what so ever total $

Yakblat
03-17-10, 11:55
I went back to Day Spa looking for Tina but she was busy. As it turns out they have another named Laura who is a bit chunky but better endowed as well. Laura and Tina both work for the full hour, fully draped and no HE. This time. I like the massages there even though they have no TS and seem to to have dropped HE off the menu. I'll try a few more times and see if I can crack the code. The place is a real spa and not a typical AMP. It has men and women's saunas and a number of treatments for the customer. I'm sure they have a customer base of K. Women primarily so they don't want to drive them away with a parade of dirty old men walking up with their tongues dragging. Tina was quite willing to give a HE six months ago, so I'll give it a few more attempts before I move on. Yak

Avenasia
03-17-10, 22:48
Okay, paint me stupid, but does the FCCC, ACCC and TCCC advertise anywhere? Been searching the forum for months trying to find location and contact information for these places but never seem to have any luck.

Sleazebum
03-18-10, 08:19
From my earlier posting:

Originally Posted by Sleazebum
FCCC = Falls Church Chinese Condo

Located in Guess Where.

The number to call may be 703-389-6882 0r 703-336-9209 or 571-232-9771 or BR549.

ONE of these numbers is the right one. The other three are NOT the right one and may well lead you to a very unplesant surprise!

Good luck!!!

JJ

ALSO READ the City Paper Ads.


Okay, paint me stupid, but does the FCCC, ACCC and TCCC advertise anywhere? Been searching the forum for months trying to find location and contact information for these places but never seem to have any luck.

Max Beelyun
03-19-10, 10:27
The number to call may be 703-389-6882 0r 703-336-9209 or 571-232-9771 or BR549.

ONE of these numbers is the right one. The other three are NOT the right one and may well lead you to a very unplesant surprise!


Unless you want to buy a used car from Junior Samples, that is. Now we know how old we are.

Yakblat
03-19-10, 18:30
At the suggestion of a member on another board, I trotted on out to Backlick Rd yesterday to try the offerings at TK Nails. I get the impression that Tina is rarely busy and I hope she's got enough traffic to stay in business, but from what I've seen I don't think she'll last long. The massage table is in the back and it's a pretty good one, in a small room that's completely enclosed. It has a heater for colder days but there is no shower. Tina is short, thick and fully dressed all the time, but one wonders if that shirt that isn't tucked in means goodies for the patient.

Her massage is one continuous application of oil, which actually feels pretty good when she's rubbing your arse but she's a one trick pony with that. I went for an hour and I thought she was never going to ask me to flip when the timer went off. She wasn't interested in stopping because she had virtually nothing else to do. I rolled over anyway and she went right to work on the ending. It was just fine, then she went to get a hot towel and got most of the oil off but, Jesus, there was a lot of it by that time. At .6 for an hour it was a nice diversion for the day. I didn't get ambitious with any roaming but maybe I'll try more if I go back soon enough that she still recognizes me. Tipped her .2. Yak

Sleazebum
03-19-10, 19:04
All three of the numbers are good - MAYBE.

Do ya feel lucky?

The number to call is BR549!

:)

JJ


Unless you want to buy a used car from Junior Samples, that is. Now we know how old we are.

The Nub
03-20-10, 23:30
Went to Panera on Broad this morning, and to my surprise I stumbled upon two Latina therapists...and very cute ones at that! Apparently, most of the old Asian staff is gone, but a couple remain. I learned they now added three Latina therapists, and they are operating under a new name and new management.

I was surprised to learn the news, but the latina therapist who greeted me was cute as a button, too tempting to pass, so I stayed and gave it a shot. Being the first time I learn about these major changes, I was very cautious. I did not even leave the wallet, roses, and keys sandwich on the table. The therapist was very nice and sweet, massage was ok. At the end, she asked how I felt. I said ok. And she called the massage over. I don't know if she was waiting for me to make the first move...being the first time she saw me. I did not give any indication I needed the extra work and so it was not offered. Maybe I should have left the roses on the table when I was first left in the room to get ready to indicate I needed extra work.

I hope others can visit the place, and please LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY LUCK! I will give it another try too, and hopefully now that the therapist knows me she'll be more relaxed, and next time I see her I'll leave the keys and stuff on the table.

*Senior members may PM me for more details!

Guitarman1
03-21-10, 10:09
Visited NSP late last week. I drew a girl who said her name was Mickey. Her English was actually ok. She was nice to talk to and friendly. The TS was warm and she cleaned m e thoroughly. She dried me off and we went to the room. She had me lay down and proceeded to give me what was more of a bodyrub than a massage. I could have given her more guidance and asked for a backwalking, but I had just left from a long day at work so I decided to relax. She did not rush the bodyrub. After the flip it was the typical finish expected for this location. All services were provided with enthusiasm of course. I left happy.

Newinva
03-21-10, 11:59
A newbie here. Been observing for a while. Bear with me.

Went to Herndon Massage Fri night. Only Happy was available. I had tried her about 6 months ago and she did not give a good massage or good finish. But she begged and I gave in. Asked for 1 hour.

She gave me the TS. Very bad attitude. Very mechanical. Didn't even get the soap cleaned properly. I was pissed. I dried myself and asked for the money back. She kept saying she will give good massage. But I just dressed up and got my money back. Gave her. 05 to shut her up. Won't be returning there anytime.

Was pumped up and had to have a good finish. So, went to Green. Don't like Green much. They upsell and they grumble at the standard NOVA tip. But I was thinking with my Jr now and so called Green. They said May was available. Was at Green in no time. Mamasan took the house fee and sent in May. Now, May is 8 in body, 7 in looks, 6 in attitude. She doesn't like it when we ask for stuff. She says it will happen in good time. So, I did it her way.

TS was satisfactory. She doesn't play with Jr as much I like. But I got clean and dry. Good massage with lots of hot towels and back walking. Not as hard massage as I like, but good massage for about 40 mins. Then the soft teasing which she did nicely and then the flip.

I asked her to lose her clothes. And she started bargaining. How much would I pay? Standard NOVA. How much is standard NOVA?. 40. No, standard NOVA is. 60 and for that clothes won't come off. I held firm and for. 60 clothes came off. Man, she looks good. Lean, tall. Nice B's. Small ass, though. She lay next to me and fed her nips to me. She kissed me all over. Paid attention to my nips. Licked me. All the while lubing up and down Jr with slow deliberate action. She was a little hot and sweaty from the massage and so nice and salty. I roamed, licked, nipped and sucked. Oh, how I would love to ride her. But not this time. So, for 15 mins, we explore with fingers and tongue and she does the slow dance with her hands on Jr. Then the finish.

Good grand Fri night. Will return to May soon.

T Shell
03-21-10, 13:05
Visiting your fair city again, after many attempts (8) I finally got to OTC. It was always closed or busy when I have tried before. This time, a monger leaving as I arrived (I waited in car until you left).so I figured someone was free. Once I was inside, it seems like I was the only one there the other room doors were all open.

Older K-gal with an OK body.

No TS, straight to the massage. Oil, which I typically oppose, and she kept me draped the whole time, oh, she did a back walk too. On the flip she draped again, I slip it off, she put it back. Massage the front, some close encounters. But never touches the boys. "OK all finish"

Some interplay, hints and requests, but she was having none of it.

OK then if it is 100% legit. I then I point out I paid for an hour and it has been maybe 35 mins. "So, where you want more massage? "

Guide her hand to the spot, she coos and oohs, does some stroking. But all the time saying. "no, no, not allowed, I get in trouble, not that kind of place" and she then she lets go. "OK, baby now you go to shower and clean off oil". Disappointed. But I never press the issue

She takes me to a overly large shower room, she get water going and hot, points to soap and then leaves! I start wash off the oil, and thinking of going to an alternate nearby. After a couple of mins she pops back in and begins to help me wash my back. Then reach between my legs to the boys! Then has me turn around. Her top comes down "I don't want to get my shirt wet" and there is a quick soapy finish.

The whole sequence was a bit odd, but OK. Not sure I will repeat.. 4 tip.

Ll8803
03-21-10, 16:57
Went to Herndon Therapy will not repeat visit massage was more of a rub with typical NOVA finish. Gave normal tip for standard finish she asked for more I told her no and she threw the tip up into the air and said do you want drink I said no and left. Like I said will not go back.

Newinva
03-21-10, 18:55
Called ahead for an appointment and asked for Mimi. Went in 30 mins later and was greeted by Mimi with a hug and remonstration for not visiting for more than a month.

Mimi says she is 28. She might be a few years older, but she is in shape. Has a flat face, wide eyes, but pleasant to look at. I love her calves and thighs - smooth, soft and toned. Small breasts and nice nips.

Handed her the house fee and she asked if I wanted to shower.

They don't have a TS. So, I asked her to turn on the water hot and went in and scrubbed myself. After I was done, she was waiting outside with a towel, she rubbed me dry and we went to the room.

Mimi varies her massage everytime I go in and this time was different as well. She lay a towel and me and massaged my whole body for 10 mins thru the towel. Then, she removed the towel and using oil massaged my back and shoulders. This was deep and it was pain and pleasure. Then she worked on my butt and legs. And then the back walking which is heavenly. After 45 mins on the table, I am loose and tingling. Now the flip. Instead of going to Jr, she started massaging my head and scalp and ears. Slowly and almost like stroking. Then she moved to Jr and then the finish. Hot towel and little back popping later, she wiped me down - it was hot today - got me dressed - I love that - gave me my water. I tipped her .6 and was singing on the way home.

Fast Fred
03-21-10, 19:39
Hey guys,

Long time lurker of these boards but first time poster. I'm in town on business (I come here a lot) and have had some really great times by using the advice found here.

I was scanning CL looking for something to help make this trip more interesting and came across what looks like three new MPs holding grand openings. The One that interests me most (primarily because of location) is Papaya Theropy. However, I'm a little hesitant to visit a place that I don't know anything about. The fact that three are holding grand openings at the same time seems a little wierd to me as well.

Anyone had any experiences at these places-good/bad? I'd appreciate an info you might be willing to share with a visitor, but I understand being new to the forum your reluctance. PMs are appreciated with any info that might help me make my choice tonight or later this week. Or both:)

FF

The Nub
03-22-10, 00:48
Hey guys,

Long time lurker of these boards but first time poster. I'm in town on business (I come here a lot) and have had some really great times by using the advice found here.

I was scanning CL looking for something to help make this trip more interesting and came across what looks like three new MPs holding grand openings. The One that interests me most (primarily because of location) is Papaya Theropy. However, I'm a little hesitant to visit a place that I don't know anything about. The fact that three are holding grand openings at the same time seems a little wierd to me as well.

Anyone had any experiences at these places-good/bad? I'd appreciate an info you might be willing to share with a visitor, but I understand being new to the forum your reluctance. PMs are appreciated with any info that might help me make my choice tonight or later this week. Or both:)

FF

I know one of the places you are referring to, Crown. But this Grand Opening advertisement is bullshit. Crown, for instance, keeps advertising it's Grand Opening for what seems to be over half a year...

I think Papaya has been around for a while too, maybe under a different name.

Crown was ok, average AMP. Standard fees, average therapist, been there only once.

All the info you need is already on this board, use the search function.

Yakblat
03-23-10, 12:03
Victory at last. I dropped into see Tina again at Sun's Day Spa and things went back to as I remember them from the summer. Something tells me LE has been around and you need to develop some trust there. She gives a good, skilled massage and will leave a smile on your face if you're a good boy. Yak

AKFourtySeven
03-23-10, 18:43
I went there this past week.I got an excellent massage from Tuo.Really cute girl.

The usual ending but worth it.

Sleazebum
03-23-10, 21:27
AMPs are like furniture stores. They open and close rapidly and have Grand Openings with each version but inside they remain the same. This is just an advertising gimick to make folks like you think there is something new and wonderful going on.

In short, the GRAND OPENING just doesn't mean anything.

Live Long and Prosper.

JJ





Hey guys,

Long time lurker of these boards but first time poster. I'm in town on business (I come here a lot) and have had some really great times by using the advice found here.

I was scanning CL looking for something to help make this trip more interesting and came across what looks like three new MPs holding grand openings. The One that interests me most (primarily because of location) is Papaya Theropy. However, I'm a little hesitant to visit a place that I don't know anything about. The fact that three are holding grand openings at the same time seems a little wierd to me as well.

Anyone had any experiences at these places-good/bad? I'd appreciate an info you might be willing to share with a visitor, but I understand being new to the forum your reluctance. PMs are appreciated with any info that might help me make my choice tonight or later this week. Or both:)

FF

Pcpc1688
03-24-10, 01:46
Service was excellent (as you can see) but just too old, too fat, and too ugly.

The description is so right on BD, lol

PC out

Sashimi
03-24-10, 09:17
AMPs are like furniture stores.

OK, then tell me when there is a 70% clearance sale, I'm a little short these days.

Asianflu
03-24-10, 10:04
Service was excellent (as you can see) but just too old, too fat, and too ugly.


BD,

I have been on the AMP scene many years and can not imagine how you were able to get these pics. This is very atypical behavior. BTW I can not tell if she was ugly or are you referring to her pussy ;)

Sleazebum
03-24-10, 17:32
They CAN be had! You just need to catch them at the right time!

;)

JJ



OK, then tell me when there is a 70% clearance sale, I'm a little short these days.

Joey Boots
03-24-10, 17:44
Service was excellent (as you can see) but just too old, too fat, and too ugly.
,Bird Droppings are you referring to your penis or the service provider? moreover, is this a lame excuse to show us your willy?

Brahmabull
03-24-10, 18:25
,Bird Droppings are you referring to your penis or the service provider? moreover, is this a lame excuse to show us your willy?

Why are you noticing there is a willy in the pictures? You eyes should be drawn immediately to any female body parts displayed.

Banker Boy
03-25-10, 09:51
Went to Best in Chantilly last night and saw Yumi. Yumi is a typical mid-40s, somewhat overweight NoVA AMP girl. She's also a pro. She reacted immediately to the "money under the wristwatch" (which in today's world, is really "money under the cell phone, which has been silenced out of courtesy to everyone and so that I can relax for an hour") and made the ever-inspiring "pretend your cock is in my mouth" gesture letting me know that she appreciated what was under there.

TS was good, massage was hard, and the uncovered BJ til I was ready to pop was excellent. Lots of energy and a good attitude about it. She must have been enjoying it because she took off her shorts and wanted some diddling action from me, so I obliged.

If you're in the mood for more than the standard NoVA finish, Yumi at Best is a decent choice if you're not bothered by looks.

Quick side story: while I was in the back room nearest the TS. While being massaged, the next client got his TS, and he was a chatterbox. He was playing all the amateur angles, telling his 40-something provider that she couldn't be more than a day over 29, asking if she had a boyfriend and if not, could he be hers, telling her about all his experiences in Japan and Korea, etc. Then he surprised all of us by asking her if he could give her a TS. Guys, if you want special service, it helps if you've been there before and she knows who you are (you know, like your name!) and likes you for who you are, not some pretend, slick, asian-meister who she'll see right through. There's nothing wrong with asking the girl to let you give her a TS, but you might want to wait until the 3rd or 4th session with her, and make sure it's a girl who you like and who likes you. Just my opinion.

Brahmabull
03-25-10, 16:15
He was playing all the amateur angles, telling his 40-something provider that she couldn't be more than a day over 29, asking if she had a boyfriend and if not, could he be hers, telling her about all his experiences in Japan and Korea, etc.

So you could see from your room into the TS room and got a look at his provider? Doesn't seem to be much privacy here.

Phillie
03-25-10, 17:53
First time at Rainbow and they were very cautious putting towels over me during the TS and being pretty quiet. I got Ruby, 40 something Korean, nice enough once she opened up. My only issue was that she complained after I gave her .6 for a NOVA finish. Strange location as others have said, as it's lost in a basement in a big strip mall maze.

Phillie
03-25-10, 17:57
Went there today and was a little spooked by a guy leaning against the back of an SUV holding a cell phone and watching in the direction of the AMP. I parked and watched him in my rearview for a while. After a bit he moved to the front of the SUV and talked on the phone where I couldn't see him through the tinted windows. I ultimately left and when I passed him he looked at me, and then I noticed another parked car with a guy sitting inside it oriented towards the AMP and holding a cell phone. Could be nothing, could be something. I called up the MMS and told her to keep an eye on the guy in the parking lot.

Baloo76
03-26-10, 06:31
Went by yesterday and noticed the new name. Angie greeted me at the door (she is back) and said she changed the name for luck in the new year. I did not get a massage, both of the regular girls had clients and so did Angie. But she was her usual self and gave me some water and candy, before getting me out the door. I will go by again today.

Fatpig
03-26-10, 07:51
Went to my fave spot in Sterling. Little bit reserved there. Anyway. Sunni was on tap. Shower was warm as always. I go there often when Sunni is available. Michelle I tried 2x and did not enjoy at all. There is a third girl there but do not know her name, style, or what she looks like.

Ok massage she was not much into it but it was long and not rushed at all. Other was great as Sunni do.

Computer Luvvv
03-26-10, 08:54
First time at Rainbow and they were very cautious putting towels over me during the TS and being pretty quiet. I got Ruby, 40 something Korean, nice enough once she opened up. My only issue was that she complained after I gave her .6 for a NOVA finish. Strange location as others have said, as it's lost in a basement in a big strip mall maze.Standard NOVA is .2 -.4

Computer Luvvv
03-26-10, 09:03
Service was excellent (as you can see) but just too old, too fat, and too ugly.Dude, are you hijacking pix, etc. Because, you never say "where" these girls are, not that I am going in BB.

Computer Luvvv
03-26-10, 09:13
A newbie here. Been observing for a while. Bear with me.

Went to Herndon Massage Fri night. Only Happy was available. I had tried her about 6 months ago and she did not give a good massage or good finish. But she begged and I gave in. Asked for 1 hour.

She gave me the TS. Very bad attitude. Very mechanical. Didn't even get the soap cleaned properly. I was pissed. I dried myself and asked for the money back. She kept saying she will give good massage. But I just dressed up and got my money back. Gave her. 05 to shut her up. Won't be returning there anytime.

Was pumped up and had to have a good finish. So, went to Green. Don't like Green much. They upsell and they grumble at the standard NOVA tip. But I was thinking with my Jr now and so called Green. They said May was available. Was at Green in no time. Mamasan took the house fee and sent in May. Now, May is 8 in body, 7 in looks, 6 in attitude. She doesn't like it when we ask for stuff. She says it will happen in good time. So, I did it her way.

TS was satisfactory. She doesn't play with Jr as much I like. But I got clean and dry. Good massage with lots of hot towels and back walking. Not as hard massage as I like, but good massage for about 40 mins. Then the soft teasing which she did nicely and then the flip.

I asked her to lose her clothes. And she started bargaining. How much would I pay? Standard NOVA. How much is standard NOVA?. 40. No, standard NOVA is. 60 and for that clothes won't come off. I held firm and for. 60 clothes came off. Man, she looks good. Lean, tall. Nice B's. Small ass, though. She lay next to me and fed her nips to me. She kissed me all over. Paid attention to my nips. Licked me. All the while lubing up and down Jr with slow deliberate action. She was a little hot and sweaty from the massage and so nice and salty. I roamed, licked, nipped and sucked. Oh, how I would love to ride her. But not this time. So, for 15 mins, we explore with fingers and tongue and she does the slow dance with her hands on Jr. Then the finish.

Good grand Fri night. Will return to May soon.Man, I will never go to green again, the new ladies their area upseller to the max, the standard NOVA is. 2.. 4, don't let 'them fool you. And if they try to get the tip before things begin, just politely decline and put your clothes on and walk out saying "let me judge your service before I tip".

Computer Luvvv
03-26-10, 09:15
Went to my fave spot in Sterling. Little bit reserved there. Anyway. Sunni was on tap. Shower was warm as always. I go there often when Sunni is available. Michelle I tried 2x and did not enjoy at all. There is a third girl there but do not know her name, style, or what she looks like.

Ok massage she was not much into it but it was long and not rushed at all. Other was great as Sunni do.Is the Michelle the upseller?

Hofi35
03-26-10, 10:31
Visited FCCC last week Friday. Jessie is the name. That time she said she'll be there for another ten days. Nice session. PM for details if interested.

Hofi35
03-26-10, 10:46
So you could see from your room into the TS room and got a look at his provider? Doesn't seem to be much privacy here.
Its not about privacy, he knows what he talking about. For all of you dreaming, there is no such thing as 20something lady working anywhere around(FL or CA perhaps), but not in NoVa. The youngest I know was 37, rest of them are 40-50, some places past 50. Ton of make up, fake eye lashes, toned body and dimmed lights doing the trick. I have bunch of korean girl friends(23-27real age) and there is no compare. I'm not trying to start endless, useless conversation about this. As long as we enjoy, who cares about age right?

MassLover
03-26-10, 12:36
Went there today and was a little spooked by a guy leaning against the back of an SUV holding a cell phone and watching in the direction of the AMP. I parked and watched him in my rearview for a while. After a bit he moved to the front of the SUV and talked on the phone where I couldn't see him through the tinted windows. I ultimately left and when I passed him he looked at me, and then I noticed another parked car with a guy sitting inside it oriented towards the AMP and holding a cell phone. Could be nothing, could be something. I called up the MMS and told her to keep an eye on the guy in the parking lot.I saw the same thing in Aroma and Green. This is probably not a coincidence.

Wahooboy94
03-26-10, 23:28
It had been several weeks since my last visit to a spa. Contemplated going to my fave CTM, but decided to try the new Castle Spa tonight.

Must admit, I like the location. A bit off the beaten path. In the evening, when Costco is closed, very little traffic going back and forth. Interesting location as well.

Climbed the stairs, rang the door bell and greeted by the Mamasan. Very friendly. Walked past a poster of Gillian Anderson (hot!). Took me to my room and collected payment for one hour.

I thought this was a pretty nice setup. Fairly new looking space. Rooms are fairly large. The tables are extra wide. Decorations are sparse, but I didn't really care.

As I undressed, I was visited by Sue who would be my provider for the hour. Cute gal. Very, very chatty but I didn't mind. She let me warm up in the dry sauna for about 5 minutes than escorted me to the table shower. Nice table shower. Very hot water, very soapy, took her time and was thorough.

Back to the room where I assumed the position. Sue was extremely friendly, very pleasant, strong hands, and gave a great massage.

Very playful at the end with the standard finish. Overall, very good visit. Too my surprise, I was there for at least 75 minutes.

Would I recommend? Yes. Would I go back? Yes.

Pcpc1688
03-27-10, 17:33
Man, I will never go to green again, the new ladies their area upseller to the max, the standard NOVA is. 2.. 4, don't let 'them fool you. And if they try to get the tip before things begin, just politely decline and put your clothes on and walk out saying "let me judge your service before I tip".

I was there awhile back and although she was hot, the upselling and BS left me cold. I told MMS that I would never go back and it holds true to today.

PC out

MassLover
03-27-10, 18:54
I was there awhile back and although she was hot, the upselling and BS left me cold. I told MMS that I would never go back and it holds true to today.

PC outI avoid that place not only for the upsell, but the dangerous extra service they offer. It will eventually catch LE's attention. I believe they will not allow VA to become DC-like. The last thing I want is my name appears on the local newspaper with a bunch of prostitute suspects' pictures.

Black Coffee
03-27-10, 20:33
Last night about 7:30 my friend pulled up to a reliable place in western C'ville for his usual strictly therapeutic massage. He was suprised to find himself near a Crown Victoria car show. All three had identical multi-striped paint jobs with a blue theme. Not wanting to be in the middle of any misunderstanding, he moved on. He also tells me of similar activity in northern PWC with mandatory interrogation on the subject of any value added services.

Eyes wide open, BC

Newinva
03-27-10, 21:47
Visited Honto on Thursday.

It has been a while since I have been there and every girl was a new face. I chose Michelle.

For starters, there were many customers in the house and so after she collected the house fee, I cooled my heels for 10 mins before she came back.

She apologized and asked me if I needed a shower. Yes. She takes me to the shower room and points it to me. I asked if I was not going to get a back scrub. She giggles and leaves. Well, I washed myself. She returned and dried me thoroughly.

Back to the room and onto the table. She begins her massage. It is tepid to start with and gets progressively milder. I would call it a pleasant light massage - pleasant enough but I like the hard massage.

All this while, I am allowed to roam. She is voluptuous. Good flesh in all the right places. She did ask me once if I was going to take care of her. I replied that I would if she took care of me.

After the massage, she began the lighter fingertip flutter massage - no better way to call what they do. It was titillating to say the least. When I tried to flip, she stayed me telling me to enjoy it further. After a while, I flipped over. She took her top off and got onto the table with me and fed me her breasts. Nice sucking and stroking on my part. Nice stroking and nova work on her part. She took her time and then the finish.

I asked her for a head massage, but she said time's up!

She does leave to answer the phone. Which is an avoidable nuisance.

Face - 6. Body - 6. Shower - 0. Massage - 5. Finish - 7.

Ratt Rocker
03-27-10, 22:37
I went to Lotus Comfort the other night. Not sure who I saw because her English was poor, but she was an older gal with a nice body. I handed her. 6 for an hour and she said it was. 8

Paid her and she asked for a tip. I laid. 4 on a counter and placed my watch on it. She then took the money and tip and left the room. That's when I realized this wasn't going to be a good experience. She came back in and said shower and half hour only. I said no, I wanted an hour. She said the tip was not enough. I demanded a refund and got up to get dressed. She said ok, no shower and 45 mins. I refused. She then said no shower, 60 mins.

I agreed and we started. Not a very great massage. After 30 mins the flip. I started to explore and was denied. Standard finish and she stopped at the 50 min mark.

I will not return.

Black Coffee
03-27-10, 23:16
"If you're in the mood for more than the standard NoVA"

In case some of you missed it, FFX did a multi-location enforcement action on Dec 9-09. This was one of their stops. Court dates are pending. Ask yourselves this: If you went into an army surplus store regularly for some BDU pants and MREs and one day the friendly salesman pulled out a full auto UZI or AK-47 and sold it to you with no paperwork, cash and carry, would you go on a VA gun forum and tell everyone who, where, what, when and how much? If you're into 420 and scored some great stuff would you tell every detail on the internet? If you knew a friendly garage that would slap a sticker on your old hoopdie for $40 without checking anything would you put that on the AAA website or call Pat Goss and tell him on the air? How is our hobby different? Remember, this is not Thailand. A January bust in Woodbridge has a FELONY charge hanging over a spa worker's head.

"He was playing all the amateur angles" Could be a guy who got out from under his wife's thumb for an hour and wanted the most result for his once in 6 months chance OR a LE tactic.

BC

Black Coffee
03-27-10, 23:49
I avoid that place not only for the upsell, but the dangerous extra service they offer. It will eventually catch LE's attention. I believe they will not allow VA to become DC-like. The last thing I want is my name appears on the local newspaper with a bunch of prostitute suspects' pictures.Yeah, that backwalking can be dangerous if she's one eggroll over the weight limit. Just because an AMP is close by doesn't make it the best choice. Sometimes local is too local if the publicity would be harmful, or like my VA native daddy told me, "Don't shit where you eat".

BC

Sleazebum
03-28-10, 12:37
I just got home from a 4 hand session at Peach!

Mikki and Patti were my attendents and the experience is simply beyond words it was SO WONDERFUL!! I am exhausted and happy!

Go NOW and see them for the time of your life!

The session is with TWO girls so be prepared to tip accordingly. You all know how cheap I am so when I say the time is well worth the expense you can believe that it really is!

Just go! You will be thrilled and tired when you come out.

I need a nap now!

Do not PM me for details, just go experience them for yourself!

JJ

Phillie
03-28-10, 22:31
Went to my favorite place on Friday and got someone new. MMS promised the "same service" as with my fav, so I gave her a try. It was all robotic and the massage was bad. Pretty much just kept rubbing massage oil into my skin which I suppose will keep it soft, but won't do anything if some sore muscles needed attention. She then tried to upsell which gets annoying after a while. The MMS pulled me aside afterwards and asked me how it went. I didn't have the heart to say that it was bad, so I just said that it was ok, but that I would wait for the ones that I know next time. She nodded and gave me a conspiratorial smile followed by a big hug.

Brahmabull
03-28-10, 23:51
Tincup away boyz!


It is TinEYE, not tincup.

I am not claiming your photos can be located via that site, I am just correcting the name.

Personally, I would like to know who provided the BB services so that I make sure I dont see her. But that is my perference and has nothing to do with anyone elses desire for BB services.

Take care.

Sleazebum
03-28-10, 23:57
...and post numbers! I need to know who is barebacking!

Thanks!

JJ




I thought the common protocol was to "PM for details", maybe I went about it the wrong way.

Anyone just say the word and I'll post numbers, locations, etc. And you can go see for yourself. Logging in to respond to PMs is a hassle for me too.

She did say she normally uses raincoats so YMMV, however download the pic to your cell, tell her you're my buddy and that you'd like the same service and maybe she'll oblige.

Whether you get the same level of service is immaterial. The point is whether or not the cooch in the pics is the same cooch that you'll see in person. And to that I'll make a future request that anyone who does confirm, post as such.

I seem to remember a gentleman a while back (not you) accusing me of grabbing internet pictures. He was then going to "tincup" the pictures and call me out. Seems I haven't heard anything from that gentleman since, hmm?

Rewind even further and there was a blowhard who claimed I was lying in my pics and that I would "damage this woman's reputation". Several confirmatory posts later, I hadn't heard from that gentleman either, hmm?

I've gotten a few confirmations on Cathy and Coco via PM, hopefully those can be posted here, the less the feedback, the less my incentive to forward warm leads.

Tincup away boyz!

Low Jack
03-29-10, 09:43
I've been around a lot and although BD has some wild reports, I can confirm a lot of them. They are true, gritty, a bit perverse, but factual. Anyways, keep em coming birdie. I may be black listed from here but I totally support Birdie.



I thought the common protocol was to "PM for details", maybe I went about it the wrong way.

Anyone just say the word and I'll post numbers, locations, etc. And you can go see for yourself. Logging in to respond to PMs is a hassle for me too.

She did say she normally uses raincoats so YMMV, however download the pic to your cell, tell her you're my buddy and that you'd like the same service and maybe she'll oblige.

Whether you get the same level of service is immaterial. The point is whether or not the cooch in the pics is the same cooch that you'll see in person. And to that I'll make a future request that anyone who does confirm, post as such.

I seem to remember a gentleman a while back (not you) accusing me of grabbing internet pictures. He was then going to "tincup" the pictures and call me out. Seems I haven't heard anything from that gentleman since, hmm?

Rewind even further and there was a blowhard who claimed I was lying in my pics and that I would "damage this woman's reputation". Several confirmatory posts later, I hadn't heard from that gentleman either, hmm?

I've gotten a few confirmations on Cathy and Coco via PM, hopefully those can be posted here, the less the feedback, the less my incentive to forward warm leads.

Tincup away boyz!

MassLover
03-29-10, 11:10
I've been around a lot and although BD has some wild reports, I can confirm a lot of them. They are true, gritty, a bit perverse, but factual. Anyways, keep em coming birdie. I may be black listed from here but I totally support Birdie.Birdie's report is not surprising at all. I have met some ladies in KMP who are approaching 60 would try to upsell for top dollars by offering everything. Whether they are "too old, ugly, fat" probably doesn't matter if one is deeply into the high risk,but most stimulating BB adventure.

Sleazebum
03-29-10, 18:16
You should post the names and numbers so clean folks know who to AVOID! Fully 5 to 10 percent of the people in DC have HIV or AIDS so it is a fair bet that she has barebacked with at least one of them in the past.

Barebacking is an absolute DEATH WISH and just stupid to do in any case.

But it is your right to be stupid if you want. Just let me know who may be spreading so I can avoid.

PEACE!

JJ


...and post numbers! I need to know who is barebacking!

Thanks!

JJ

Banker Boy
03-29-10, 22:07
In case some of you missed it, FFX did a multi-location enforcement action on Dec 9-09. This was one of their stops. Court dates are pending. Ask yourselves this: If you went into an army surplus store regularly for some BDU pants and MREs and one day the friendly salesman pulled out a full auto UZI or AK-47 and sold it to you with no paperwork, cash and carry, would you go on a VA gun forum and tell everyone who, where, what, when and how much? If you're into 420 and scored some great stuff would you tell every detail on the internet? If you knew a friendly garage that would slap a sticker on your old hoopdie for $40 without checking anything would you put that on the AAA website or call Pat Goss and tell him on the air? How is our hobby differentBest and K have been around for decades now, and Fairfax County Police have known about them and busted them numerous times. The reports here are nothing new to the Police.

WSG has always existed, in its current and former incarnations, as a place to share information about our hobby. Though my posts are few and far between over the last 7ish years, they are substantive, and I will continue to share reports about AMPs (by name), specific providers (by name), and by specific services (by acronym [hehe]). If you disagree, then I respect your right to disagree. But I'm not going to stop with helpful (albeit infrequent) reports about any mongering I do (spare though it may be in my dotage).

Best regards,

Banker Boy

(who feels like it's 2004 all over again; I made almost an identical post on 06-14-04)

Andrewsted
03-30-10, 01:05
Visited tonight, opted for 1 hour which I rarely do. Asked if I could pick my providor since they advertise such. MMS said all busy except Sushi (sp). MMS escorted me to sauna (5 mins). sushi gets me and escorts me to Table Shower. Great service (min. Incidental contact) but water was very warm and felt good. Good scrubing, got me clean. Back to sauna by myself for about 5 mins. Back to room for rub. Standard rub and tug. Asked for her to disrobe (she did not). Showed the girls a lil though. B4 the tug, asked how much I had, told her 40. Left 40 for the service.

I did see 2 other gals while I was taken from room to sauna to shower to sauna to room. One gal was a 9 (5' ish, 95/100 ish lbs, nice b's, great body as she was wearing a tight black and white 'dress')! Anyone know her name?

Baloo76
03-30-10, 07:16
I just got home from a 4 hand session at Peach!

Mikki and Patti were my attendents and the experience is simply beyond words it was SO WONDERFUL!! I am exhausted and happy!

The session is with TWO girls so be prepared to tip accordingly. You all know how cheap I am so when I say the time is well worth the expense you can believe that it really is!

Just go! You will be thrilled and tired when you come out.

JJWow, I sure got the wrong person for my massage there on Friday. Her name was Lucy, the massage was just ok and she tired to overcharge for a a very basic, no touching standard NOVA. I was not going to go back, but I will give them another try.

Fred Hertz
03-30-10, 08:39
Went back to the place in Sterling near Popeyes. New management who was not ready for me initially, and while I was hesitant initially (from comments here on LE) I did return later. Maya is gone, if you liked her (and many did). The woman's named was Lily, and there was a higher price on the table than previous. But great service and very willing. Took care of things first actually which was a nice touch and a decent massage afterwards. I'd return but watch the wallet.

AKFourtySeven
03-30-10, 08:54
Has anyone had any luck with using their own condoms? Those condoms supplied by the amps are like wearing a tire. They deaden way to much sensation. I've never been able to get the girls to use the ones I bring.

MassLover
03-30-10, 19:29
Has anyone had any luck with using their own condoms? Those condoms supplied by the amps are like wearing a tire. They deaden way to much sensation. I've never been able to get the girls to use the ones I bring.Some of them actually will not use theirs, but ask you to bring your own, to avoid being taken as evidence in the event of LE raid.

Computer Luvvv
03-31-10, 07:42
I avoid that place not only for the upsell, but the dangerous extra service they offer. It will eventually catch LE's attention. I believe they will not allow VA to become DC-like. The last thing I want is my name appears on the local newspaper with a bunch of prostitute suspects' pictures.They will upsell the hell out of you, I am not going back

Computer Luvvv
03-31-10, 07:42
Some of them actually will not use theirs, but ask you to bring your own, to avoid being taken as evidence in the event of LE raid.I allways bring my own.

Computer Luvvv
03-31-10, 07:52
Went to my favorite place on Friday and got someone new. MMS promised the "same service" as with my fav, so I gave her a try. It was all robotic and the massage was bad. Pretty much just kept rubbing massage oil into my skin which I suppose will keep it soft, but won't do anything if some sore muscles needed attention. She then tried to upsell which gets annoying after a while. The MMS pulled me aside afterwards and asked me how it went. I didn't have the heart to say that it was bad, so I just said that it was ok, but that I would wait for the ones that I know next time. She nodded and gave me a conspiratorial smile followed by a big hug.I recall seeing a Julie but I did get decent service, maybe mms had talked to her after you saw her and I got a better deal.

Computer Luvvv
03-31-10, 07:57
I was there awhile back and although she was hot, the upselling and BS left me cold. I told MMS that I would never go back and it holds true to today.

PC outI think they will be closed soon with this type of service.

Computer Luvvv
03-31-10, 08:00
I saw the same thing in Aroma and Green. This is probably not a coincidence.What color was that SUV and what type?

Computer Luvvv
03-31-10, 08:16
Went to Herndon Therapy will not repeat visit massage was more of a rub with typical NOVA finish. Gave normal tip for standard finish she asked for more I told her no and she threw the tip up into the air and said do you want drink I said no and left. Like I said will not go back.Herndon,

Is this the one on the second floor or the one just alil up in an office complex?

Man, serious upsell?

Computer Luvvv
03-31-10, 08:30
Does anyone have any dibbs on these ladies?

They used to be in Sterling?

Computer Luvvv
03-31-10, 08:35
Actually by requiring the tip 1st she is protecting HER interest in the service, I perfer to tip after but have no problem with a girl asking me for the tip 1st if we have NOT seen each other before. Trust is to be earned, not given freely, and as a hobbiest/monger you should know we have some shady guys in the hobby who have not tipped or under tipped. Why should SHE be penalized for it.

Outside of AMPs, SW, Escorts, Strippers, what ever YOU PAY 1ST, none of them provide their services and collect after. Sometimes you get burned giving an Escort or SW their fee 1st and get none or little of the expected service. But that is the risk WE the hobbiest take, why do people continue to think it is ok for the AMP girl to assume all the risk?

After your 1st visit, talk to your provider say, "Hey, I am not going to cheat you, I like you and will take care of you, but I do not like stopping in the middle of the experience to do business" most of them will understand and just ask that you be an honest guy and really take care of them.

Remember you are not "entitled" to anything in that room but a massage, anything else that happens is up to the girl and it is our responsibility to make them happy to provide it. I suggest with a few exceptions that if you receive bad service the hobbiest is partly or mostly to blame, he did something wrong no matter how small a thing to change the girls mood/attitude. She does not have to do anything but give you a massage and that is it, some of us need to remember that, you have to work the girl to get the extras you want. That is how it was back in the day when I started, too many guys these days do not want to put forth the effort and want everything automatically delivered.

Why do you think YMMV always applies to this hobby? Because on any given day any given girl may or may not provide the service you want. It is YOUR game that determines the outcome. If you on it, you will be happy. If you are not, do not blame the girl.

/End Rant.

BBNope, Nope, nope, because for some prices I expect more and don't get it(Chantilly, down off rt50 near the Hummer dealer)for that I can get FS, nope nope, provide good service, get good tip, provide great service, get great tip.

Fatpig
03-31-10, 14:26
Girl here tried to upsell. I laughed and said I should just go to greens then at least the girl is HOT. Gave her standard when all was done. basic stuff. She did look ok though. No name asked or given.

I do like the sauna there. for 1 person tiny. And they have heated tables.

Ll8803
03-31-10, 14:39
Herndon,

Is this the one on the second floor or the one just alil up in an office complex?

Man, serious upsell?Second floor

Brahmabull
03-31-10, 15:11
Nope, Nope, nope, because for some prices I expect more and don't get it(Chantilly, down off rt50 near the Hummer dealer)for that I can get FS, nope nope, provide good service, get good tip, provide great service, get great tip.


Good for you. You have no trust in the provider and then she will have none in you. I am sure you do well. Great.
There are too many assholes in this hobby that take advantage of girls who accept the tip after service and do not provide what expected or agreed to.
I do not get an attitude or upset from any girl I have NOT been with before asking for her tip/fee 1st. No one should. SORRY, we disagree.

After I have been at least 2 times, she knows me and I know her, it can be otherwise.

Still do not think anyone has a right to be upset if the girl wants to be paid 1st.

Brahmabull
03-31-10, 15:15
Has anyone had any luck with using their own condoms? Those condoms supplied by the amps are like wearing a tire. They deaden way to much sensation. I've never been able to get the girls to use the ones I bring.

You bringing unlubbed unscented generic latex? Or something they do not want in their mouth or fear might break when they give you a CBJ?

If they won't use yours its usually because they do not like the lube, scent or think it will break.

They do use thicker ones, specifically to minimize breakage.

Phillie
03-31-10, 19:56
Has anyone had any luck with using their own condoms? Those condoms supplied by the amps are like wearing a tire. They deaden way to much sensation. I've never been able to get the girls to use the ones I bring.Always bring my own and never had a prob. They just wipe them down with a warm towel.

MassLover
03-31-10, 20:43
What color was that SUV and what type?


I remember it was a blue color SUV, but can not recall the type as I tried to drive away as quickly as possible. Did you see the same thing?

Phillie
04-01-10, 05:43
I remember it was a blue color SUV, but can not recall the type as I tried to drive away as quickly as possible. Did you see the same thing?The one I saw in Sterling was black with tinted windows. Not really sure what brand. The car may just have been parked in the lot and used because it was big and had dark windows. The other guy was definitely in a red compact car.

AKFourtySeven
04-01-10, 09:19
I have brought unlubed genaeric latex.

I'm suprised that so many have brought their own and are allowed to use them.

Go figure.

Yakblat
04-01-10, 11:04
After a disappointing first try with one provider, I dropped into TK Nails again and Tina was available after a short wait. The place has all the accoutrement of a nails salon but I don't think the fat girls with colorful digits have discovered her yet. But two other men apparently have because one monger left just as I arrived and another was waiting as I left. Anyway, aside from a lame attempt at roaming on my part the hour went just as it did the last time.

Pete Dagon
04-01-10, 12:45
NoVa guys are too cheap. If a girl asks .6 upfront for an HJ, I don't haggle, I cop a feel or two or three or more while she does her thing. And lately, if she doesn't ask for money up front, but drops the panties & lifts up the bra, that is definitely worth .6, no questions asked, and I've gone as high as .8 for that kind of service.

The last time I was with an AMP girl I said f*ck it, I'm leaving $.2 on the table, fanned out, under my watch. Panties & bra came off no problem, and I got a nice little show while she gave an awesome fake BJ.

You wanna play, you gotta pay$$$

Ortho313
04-01-10, 15:46
Went to Peach today and won't return unless things change. Mikki was my therapist and the upsell started during the TS which ruined the experience. She wanted .8 for a HJ and I told her the most I would pay was .6 and that in some places its only .4.
After the TS she put me in the sauna and after about 2-3 minutes came in with me and started the hard sell again. Kept telling me she was worth .8 and she would "treat me real nice" I insisted that .6 was the most I would pay and she finally agreed.
Massage was OK and she does have a very nice body but the upselling killed the entire experience.
I won't return

The Nub
04-02-10, 01:09
A couple of weeks ago I reported that the place where I was a regular changed names and added a couple very lovely latina therapists to complement their asian staff which always provided me with average NOVA therapy. I tried one of the new latinas to see if I could get my NOVA therapy, but had no luck, maybe because it was my first session with that lovely latina therapist and she wasn't comfortable with me yet.

So, has anybody tried this place yet? Any luck with the latinas? Come on fellas...Don't make me do all the work, I already took one for the team.

Senior members may PM for more info!

Notronmexico
04-02-10, 11:50
Last week had a late night desire for some therapy so popped over to Rainbow about 8:25 PM. They told me no more customers, I asked even for half hour (they didn't close until 9) but they said no. This is the third or fourth time I've tried to repeat at Rainbow unsuccessfully, though to be fair this one was more or less my fault.

So I headed over to Ivy to see if anything had changed since a previous visit in December. They gladly took me in for full hour. Therapist was Anna. On the older side but reasonably nice body and face. The teeth were the main thing that belied the age.

Average TS, she ascertained I was friendly and had been there before. Massage was also average, as was flip. Tiny bit of roaming but not much. I hinted at being interested at additional service. She knew I had been there before and I had left about $80 visible under my keys but no dice.

Gave her standard tip for standard service and left. OK experience but nothing special. Ivy doesn't seem to offer more than regular NOVA and older gals so far, will report if anything changes.

Computer Luvvv
04-02-10, 18:12
Good for you. You have no trust in the provider and then she will have none in you. I am sure you do well. Great.

There are too many assholes in this hobby that take advantage of girls who accept the tip after service and do not provide what expected or agreed to.

I do not get an attitude or upset from any girl I have NOT been with before asking for her tip/fee 1st. No one should. SORRY, we disagree.

After I have been at least 2 times, she knows me and I know her, it can be otherwise.

Still do not think anyone has a right to be upset if the girl wants to be paid 1st.I just simply stick with the standard tip that has been around for years, thats all.

Computer Luvvv
04-02-10, 18:16
Good for you. You have no trust in the provider and then she will have none in you. I am sure you do well. Great.

There are too many assholes in this hobby that take advantage of girls who accept the tip after service and do not provide what expected or agreed to.

I do not get an attitude or upset from any girl I have NOT been with before asking for her tip/fee 1st. No one should. SORRY, we disagree.

After I have been at least 2 times, she knows me and I know her, it can be otherwise.

Still do not think anyone has a right to be upset if the girl wants to be paid 1st.Just had a bad situation go down a few times after I gave the tip first. But most of the places I go to the mama's know my face so I usually don't run into this, mama tells her I am good and its kool and go standard, if she goes but naked, I add to it, if she does BJ, I add to it. If she goes FS, I give the DC/MD standard!

Computer Luvvv
04-02-10, 18:34
Good for you. You have no trust in the provider and then she will have none in you. I am sure you do well. Great.

There are too many assholes in this hobby that take advantage of girls who accept the tip after service and do not provide what expected or agreed to.

I do not get an attitude or upset from any girl I have NOT been with before asking for her tip/fee 1st. No one should. SORRY, we disagree.

After I have been at least 2 times, she knows me and I know her, it can be otherwise.

Still do not think anyone has a right to be upset if the girl wants to be paid 1st.I think my situation is rather different than some guys as I have a select group that I go see at several different places(maybe 7 to 10 ladies), some used to be at other places and moved on, so they recognize me when I come in(to their new place), so they know my flow, and several mama's know me by name being that I have been hitthing the places for years, so they just don't really bother me with upfront tips, they know in advance what I am Going to tip, I guess I have gotten spoiled by some private AAMPs where you get more personable service for those same tips(and its more than likely due to them knowing my face when I arrive, etc so its no big deal. Now, when a girl ask me for a tip upfront, I don't just simply "not" give it to her, I am just saying that I don't agree with the method, I don't like "upfront upsells", thats all. $. 60 bones I have done on many occasions, where I agreed with it or not, thats the NOVA upsell, but those select ones I see normally, they add a lot to the mix.

Skirite Hound
04-03-10, 15:22
A couple of weeks ago I reported that the place where I was a regular changed names and added a couple very lovely latina therapists to complement their asian staff which always provided me with average NOVA therapy. I tried one of the new latinas to see if I could get my NOVA therapy, but had no luck, maybe because it was my first session with that lovely latina therapist and she wasn't comfortable with me yet.

So, has anybody tried this place yet? Any luck with the latinas? Come on fellas. Don't make me do all the work, I already took one for the team.

Senior members may PM for more info!I went there last week, on your recommendation, looking for the latinas. Only one Chinese lady, Lily, was at the reception, and she was also the provider. She said there were more ladies "downstairs". They run a split operation with a nails salon on the ground floor. There were three massage rooms and a "water room". Her English was such that I couldn't understand if she meant a TS. I asked for 90 minutes and the flip was in the middle. I asked why and I think she said because most clients are asleep after 90 minutes. Got my money's worth. Upon leaving I saw a mixed group of asian and latina women eating at a table in panera's, wearing the white shirt uniform of the place. At least I saw the latinas.

The Nub
04-04-10, 18:17
I went there last week, on your recommendation, looking for the latinas. Only one Chinese lady, Lily, was at the reception, and she was also the provider. She said there were more ladies "downstairs". They run a split operation with a nails salon on the ground floor. There were three massage rooms and a "water room". Her English was such that I couldn't understand if she meant a TS. I asked for 90 minutes and the flip was in the middle. I asked why and I think she said because most clients are asleep after 90 minutes. Got my money's worth. Upon leaving I saw a mixed group of asian and latina women eating at a table in panera's, wearing the white shirt uniform of the place. At least I saw the latinas.

I already knew what was to be expected from the Asian Ladies. Try a latina next time. You probably went there either very early, or very late if there was only 1 therapist.

Aman Tuleev
04-04-10, 19:27
Went here at beautifull morning time. Found that all doors are open. Ringed the bell near opened door twice untill MMS get out :)

Met Lilly. She is little big but not fat korean girl in her 3X, very tanned, about 5'7", little wide, but proportional, responsive B's, very firm skin ... preffy face. She tried to make a distance, but cookies under my watches smells so good, that we went to shower room hugging as old friends. TS was exellent, she made so much attention to my alterego, that I was worried that she will tear it off. Massage was good with many hot towels. Flipover and standard finish. Yes, she take off some clothes and rouming was allowed.

Some minor drawbacks, like: she were trying a little uppsell - noway; she forget to put towel on pillow at shower room, she were trying to clean my face with towel, which were used for alterego cleaning; she leaved door open when she come for new hot towel - i was here with my bellypot targeting a sky.

Don't think that will see her again, cuz she will leave in a week, however, pretty good experience. She told me that new girl will be here in a week. Will see.

Bcs1234
04-05-10, 05:52
New and have read the forum but have a small question.

Is there a place that offers haircut + massage around?

Brahmabull
04-05-10, 07:48
Just had a bad situation go down a few times after I gave the tip first. But most of the places I go to the mama's know my face so I usually don't run into this, mama tells her I am good and its kool and go standard, if she goes but naked, I add to it, if she does BJ, I add to it. If she goes FS, I give the DC/MD standard!

I agree with you on tipping AFTER for long time customers or with girls that know you. What I am saying is, when it is my 1st visit with a provider (regular spot or not) I am not upset by her asking for the tip upfront. While everyone else there may know and trust me, her and I do not yet have that relationship and we have to build it. I have no problem taking the 1st step in building a trust relationship with the lady.

Wahooboy94
04-05-10, 20:55
On Saturday (3/27) I was down by Tyson's Corner and thought I would stop in at Enliven. It had received a number of good reviews and I was in the mood. Unfortunately, they were busy. She asked me to come back but I elected to try my fall back, Papaya.

Very much enjoyed my stay at Papaya. First time there. Discrete location. Very nice on the inside in terms of decorations and overall layout.

I paid $80 for the hour and was greeted by Alisa. Petite, very cute, tight body, probably late 30s or early 40s. Her first day there out of NJ.

Alisa takes me to the TS, gives me an excellent table shower. I liked the pad that elevates your lower legs. Towels me off and back to our room.

If you like the backwalking method, then this was for you. Excellent, strong massage. The service with Alisa was standard NOVA, but excellent as well.

Would I go back - yes. Would I recommend - yes.

Freedomfighter
04-06-10, 12:13
I was there on Friday and was told by my girl that it is closing effective April 5. Lease was not renewed by the lessor, maybe the police have discouraged them. Sorry to see my old standby go by the wayside. Is the place over at Pinecrest any good? That is where Yumi says she is trying to go.

Pilot Aviator
04-06-10, 21:49
Made an unexpected visit to NSP today. I had planned to visit my ATF with the new name. But some traffic tie up had me reverse course back towards the highway. My back-up plan was to go visit one of the establishments further south, but as I passed NSP, my car of its own volition turned into the parking lot, found an empty spot, and stopped. As it turns out, I am the only client on premise from the time I arrive until I depart.

Greeting: 7/10

None of us like the need to stand in the parking lot while MMS answers the door. The configuration of the upstairs/downstairs is unfortunate. HOWEVER. MMS is very friendly once inside (and very cautious before allowing people to exit. She always checks to ensure no leaving/entering customer collisions). I like this MMS. And although my visits here have been somewhat less frequent than other places, she knows I am a good customer and always nice to the ladies.

She takes me upstairs to the room across from the TS, collects the house. 8, gives me a hug and a pat, and promises to send someone right in. Shortly thereafter, Bobbie arrives.

Bobbie is about 5'2", thin, shapely, athletic, attractive, and friendly.

TS: 8/10. I like an extra-long TS, this was a "standard time". The water was warm enough but not hot. The soap was fine; the cleaning was fine with a few smiles shared on each side.

Massage: Difficult to score. Call it a solid 8/10

TABLE: 10/10. Must be the widest and best padded tables of all the places I visit. Very comfortable.

Room: 8/10: Nice and clean. Good bar on the ceiling for back walking. I wish they had a large mirror.

Technique: This was a "slow massage". And because I was relaxed the entire time, it was really good. But it was different. 5fulll minutes on each foot (very nice technique used a washcloth like some like to massage thru a towel). I prefer the feel of the hands. But this was nice.

Slow, very deliberate work on neck, shoulders, back, thighs, glutes, etc. No actual effluage strokes (which are most common for Swedish style massages)

Ending: Also non-rushed. Better than many experiences. And Bobbie is exceptionally physically fit. Beautiful /// 8. 5+/10

Departure: A little quick after the clean-up, but not actually rushed, and I received my full hour.

Overall. 8. 5++/10 // NSP may have won me over today. I will repeat. More info is known about NSP if you read enough posts or PM enough mongers. I left Andy and two of his twin brothers in appreciation.

It was a warm day. And I am glad I cooled my heels at NSP for an hour today.

Always be nice to the ladies

PA

Mailman10
04-07-10, 23:13
Acciddntly posting this twowise how can i delete it?

Dose anybody know? thank you

Mailman10
04-07-10, 23:20
I usually read most of the reviews who ever wrote it, But today I feels like a wanted to write some about this girl.I was there today around at noon time after my lunch.That was my first time visiting this place.
Good looking petite little girl was greeting me, Her name is PATTI she sad, Seems early 30s, about 5'2" height very friendly.She took me to the room and I gave her $80 for the hour.
I've got undressed wait her about 5 minutes and she came back and took me to the shower room(Was very nice and clean).
She took her time gave me a very enjoyful nice TS. And we went back to the room and she starting gave me very strong massage and back walking was nice.It was little too strong to me but I kind a liked it. When I fliped over, She gave me a very enjoyable massage and standard NOVA finished.
Massage was full hour. I left 6 on top the table in the room, I usually paid 4. She gave me a big hug and told me to come back to see her again and I will.

I would recommend this girl because I liked her attitude.

Phillie
04-08-10, 01:15
Was at my fav place in Sterling this evening and was made to wait a fair bit. My massage didn't start until about 30 minutes after I arrived. In the meantime I nearly fell asleep, and had a TS from the MMS, which was my first time that she's done that for me herself. So they must have been jam packed. I got someone new. Seems like I've never gotten anyone I knew since the turnover is pretty quick. I got Laura, who is a little chubby, but has a cute face. Probably in her mid 30's. Her english is a little bad, but once she got comfortable she was actually pretty funny and entertaining. Sadly she subscribes to the bad massage technique of drowning you in oil. Despite the massage being bad, she was chatty and surprisingly she didn't even count her tip! We never discussed prices either! I got great service and no upsell. Go figure, you complain to the MMS, and she actually listened. I'd recommend Laura as she was just a fun girl to be with. Sadly she probably won't be there more than a month.

Fatpig
04-08-10, 06:57
Went here since it easy to get to. Near Ivy.
The place looks nice and is large. Brand new. The TS was really but I wonder how long that green mat will stay fresh. I hope they bleach it often.
Petite older woman with large guns answers and TS me. Go back to the room and then I get the switch. Larger K girl. Not fat..just not petite. Her name is Angie. Her massage is top notch. If you like hard massage she is it. I was hurting. The massage was very through and complete. Fee, head, face, all were worked. Standard NOVA.

I gave her standard fare and she said thats it...umm...yeah.
Would I go back ...yes but for the other girl no Angie.

DiryDirtyMind
04-08-10, 18:19
Garden spa in ffx

Met Brandy at the door, went in for a half got a wonderful massage she says she is an RMT anyhow, great massage very good personality, nice body in her early to mid 30's I think not sure. Standard nova but better technique.

Nice 499
04-10-10, 21:05
If you wanted to bring Mamasan a gift, what would be appropriate?

Black Coffee
04-10-10, 21:35
If you wanted to bring Mamasan a gift, what would be appropriate?Chocolates, fresh fruit, scratch off lottery tickets or anything else you would give any other female friend to show appreciation. Remember to allow for cultural differences and possible language shortcomings. The strangest thing I ever gave one was a fresh deer heart. She was thrilled! BC.

Aman Tuleev
04-10-10, 21:58
Larger K girl. Not fat..just not petite. Her name is Angie. Her massage is top notch.
...
thats it...umm...yeah.
Would I go back ...yes but for the other girl no Angie.

Met her today morning. She is very friedly, I do not know why, may be because I put some cookies on the table under watches, but she allowed roaming from begin. However, when standard finale appeared on horizont, she start upselling and make me pay upfront but standard fee.

I'm considering that as good experience. Prolly, I'll repeat, cuz I see some potential here, also it is at short distance for me.

Be Safe,
Aman

Aman Tuleev
04-10-10, 22:01
If you wanted to bring Mamasan a gift, what would be appropriate?
You may bring something from Korean store.
But, give her big hug and jackson - she will remember You forever. I am doing that everytime, when I come to place at first time, sometimes at second time too.

Be Safe,
Aman

DiryDirtyMind
04-10-10, 22:11
You can always bring ramen, not that square crap but the good ramen its pretty cheap and the girls get a quick meal thats easy to cook. Unless you want to go get some bugogi and kimchi

I read a post back some time ago saying one place personally liked pizza with everything including or excluding anchovies.

On a side note I find it weird that I hardly ever see a mamasan mostly I see the girl that answers and generally its not a a "mamasan" My 20 ish recent visit to a place was def not the mamasan and M. Is all I can say and I'm holding out on any details about this one I found. Just because I thinks its a gem.

Love you guys

Dirydirtymind

Pcpc1688
04-10-10, 22:47
You may bring something from Korean store.
But, give her big hug and jackson - she will remember You forever. I am doing that everytime, when I come to place at first time, sometimes at second time too.

Be Safe,
Aman


Nothing better than a hug and Jackson. I shoulda thought about that when I bring them Starbucks, lol

PC out

A John
04-11-10, 00:33
She will like anything....... I`ve taken anything from A-doz Jumbo crabs to a $25 Starbucks gift card. You`ll get alot of Bennys in return "no rush, good lady ect."
It`s worth it too me YMMV



If you wanted to bring Mamasan a gift, what would be appropriate?

Sleazebum
04-11-10, 15:41
Visited Blue at PineTree today.

Very nice session.

Standard NoVa service and price/tip for the hour.

JJ

OneHitWonders
04-13-10, 08:54
You can always bring ramen, not that square crap but the good ramen its pretty cheap and the girls get a quick meal thats easy to cook. Unless you want to go get some bugogi and kimchi

I read a post back some time ago saying one place personally liked pizza with everything including or excluding anchovies.

On a side note I find it weird that I hardly ever see a mamasan mostly I see the girl that answers and generally its not a a "mamasan" My 20 ish recent visit to a place was def not the mamasan and M. Is all I can say and I'm holding out on any details about this one I found. Just because I thinks its a gem.

Love you guys

Dirydirtymind

Often, I stop by a Korean Bakery store. Many of them in Annandale! I'll pick up several treats to drop off during a spa visit! They don't expect it and it is a nice suprise for them!

Hofi35
04-13-10, 09:23
Couple of things. I've heard LE visited some places in Sterling over the weekend. Is it true? Also heard new place is open in same area, anyone got any info on that one.

Brahmabull
04-13-10, 10:49
You can always bring ramen, not that square crap but the good ramen its pretty cheap and the girls get a quick meal thats easy to cook. Unless you want to go get some bugogi and kimchi
I read a post back some time ago saying one place personally liked pizza with everything including or excluding anchovies.


Actually they eat BULGOGI and kimchi all the time, and every Korean girl I have met loves Pizza(with everything HOT and all the veggies, they tend to not like the meat on pizzas) and "Fried potatos" (or french fries as we like to call them). Yes the love anchovies and all kinds of little fish and sushi.

I would recommend against bringing bulgogi, since it is NOT good if it is NOT freshly cooked from the skillet to your mouth and they do not care for it, cold or reheated. Since you wont be able to get it from a resturant to the spa quickly.

The square packs of ramen (from a Korean or Chinese market) are actually what they like.

Hofi35
04-13-10, 12:46
You can always bring ramen, not that square crap but the good ramen its pretty cheap and the girls get a quick meal thats easy to cook. Unless you want to go get some bugogi and kimchi

I read a post back some time ago saying one place personally liked pizza with everything including or excluding anchovies.

On a side note I find it weird that I hardly ever see a mamasan mostly I see the girl that answers and generally its not a a "mamasan" My 20 ish recent visit to a place was def not the mamasan and M. Is all I can say and I'm holding out on any details about this one I found. Just because I thinks its a gem.

Love you guys

Dirydirtymind
You can bring anything you want, McDonald's, Popeye's, pizza, some sweet bread from korean bakery, korean style fried chicken as long as you bring ton of cash to spend, they'll love you

Shayjadeed
04-14-10, 13:00
Any info on this place, gents?

http://dc.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/golden-spa_95-23/1355135

Out in Herndon, advertising a variety of tempting services, though it's a bit of a hike for me. PM if you have info you're willing to share.

~ Shay

Fatpig
04-14-10, 14:29
Any info on this place, gents?

http://dc.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/golden-spa_95-23/1355135

Out in Herndon, advertising a variety of tempting services, though it's a bit of a hike for me. PM if you have info you're willing to share.

~ Shay


Mostly bad reports. YMMV. I have gone once. It was ok but I felt a bit rushed and it was a oily rubdown. Sometimes that good.

Sleazebum
04-14-10, 17:09
If this is the same as was called "Golden Palms" a while back in Fairfax - and the ad looks the same - it is just a rub and tug but at a very low cost. I visited them once in Merrifield and had a nice blonde who gave a fair massage and tehn got naked and dis a pretty good HJ.

All in all it was worth the $99.00

JJ


Mostly bad reports. YMMV. I have gone once. It was ok but I felt a bit rushed and it was a oily rubdown. Sometimes that good.

Funkey
04-14-10, 20:06
Anyone have an update on the old 112 in Vienna?

Brahmabull
04-15-10, 07:47
Anyone have an update on the old 112 in Vienna?

Still closed.

Yakblat
04-15-10, 11:29
I really did try to experiment with a different provider this week but I was stood up twice. One attempt was with a girl named Mary (posted yesterday) and the other was at a hair and nail shop at Duke and Pickett that has a "massage" sign in the window. Neither of them could deliver so I ended up back at Day Spa where I was the only customer in the whole spa. Jin showed up again and gave another good massage. I've been such a regular there recently that my treatment keeps getting better each time. Next week I'll try down in Huntington, but I've tried to call this "real CMT" in the past and she has not answered the phone. Yak

Dadwantsit
04-15-10, 22:32
Just out of curiosity I decided to drive by an old haunt in Woodbridge, A Plus, and it still has a closed sign in front. It does still say A Plus though. Wonder what the deal is with that place. Used to get nice massages and standard finishes there. No table shower though. I always enjoyed it.

Pilot Aviator
04-15-10, 23:47
I finished my taxes and decided I owed myself a massage. A quick drive found me at the place near the video store just outside the beltway. It was a really quiet day for *** and Sara was very glad to have a customer -- and I was glad to see her since my last two visits at *** had been not so happy for me.

Greeting: It was fine --- greeted by another lady (I have seen her on many occasions, and once or twice she was my provider -- but I do not recall her name. She took the fee for the hour and told me she knew Sara would want to see me. Waited less than 5 minutes and Sara arrived with big hugs and a nice kiss.

While she prepared the shower, I undressed, put on the robe, and was shortly escorted to the large table in the shower room

Shower: 9+/10

15 minutes of wash, massage and bubbles and smiles. I would have scored it 10/10, but the room was cold.

Massage: The place was empty until about 2 minuts before I left -- no hurrying -- just pleasant -- consider it a 8/10.

FWIW, if you like a soft-massage, rate this a 10/10 experience.

After the flip: A very nice massage of the head and shoulders.

The departure: 10/10. More hugs, smiles. Help with the shirt, sox and shoes. No hurrying out the door.

As usual I left a tip under the clock. As usual it was never discussed, and she doesn't look at it while I am still in the room (I always assume they pick-it up after I leave).

Sara treats me like a king (or at least a valued client).

FBAS: 9/8/10/9

Always be nice to the ladies

PA

Usteppin
04-16-10, 03:34
Anyone have any suggestions of places to go that have older women, 40+?

I recently moved to the area and thinking about checking out a place tomorrow night, any place suggestions and names of older girls would be greatly appreciated.

Bumble
04-16-10, 17:48
Found a place I hadn't seen reviewed in a Korean newspaper. To my surprise it turns out to be the well documented Popeye's in Sterling. Of course it was a little hard to find, the location is extremely discrete.

Welcomed by the Ajima who collected the fee. Then introduced to Micky, but told the TS was busy with another monger who arrived just before me. Micky promised to take good care of me, so I knew I was in the right place.

Waited in the room for about 5 minutes and then again on the TS table, when I learn the tall cute red head, Heidi, was going to be my therapist. Micky is a little older, and quite the spinner, but Heidi was way cuter.

TS was thorough and soapy though the room was a bit cold. Appropriate attention paid to all the right spots.

Back in the room we start with a hot towel and some back walking. The massage in general was fair, not the best but not the worst. Roaming was invited and I graciously obliged. On the flip some more rather painful shoulder work, more roaming leading to the light strokes and standard ending. Full access was granted.

She's new, been here from NY for a couple days. As a welcome, and because she's way cute, tipped one jackson over standard. Didn't realize til I left that it had only been 45 minutes or I would have rethunk the bonus.

Maybe a sign of new place trying harder than some or just a reflection of Heidi's newness, but was asked if everything was acceptable by Micky and the Ajima on the way out. Recalled that Micky had said something about selecting from a lineup earlier also.

Overall on the Face, Body, Service and Attitude scale, 8/8/7/8, highly recommend and I would repeat.

Tophat31
04-16-10, 21:26
Hahaha welcome to NoVa. ALL of the AMP's here are older women 40+. If anybody finds me one where the girls are under 30 consistantly then let me know. I had a provider who was 50+ once. Not my thing so it sucks compared to other areas b.c its ALL old women.

Oh well


Anyone have any suggestions of places to go that have older women, 40+?

I recently moved to the area and thinking about checking out a place tomorrow night, any place suggestions and names of older girls would be greatly appreciated.

Computer Luvvv
04-17-10, 01:26
didn't have to work tonite, woke up around 7pm, dick hard as a rock, thought I'd go over to King. Uuuuummm, been there many times, just needed a little stress release, the upsell was pityful, standard DC 1 bone or I don't go for it, so just HE, standard Nova of. 4 (who's driving the price of pussy up?)

Computer Luvvv
04-17-10, 01:46
Anyone have any suggestions of places to go that have older women, 40+?

I recently moved to the area and thinking about checking out a place tomorrow night, any place suggestions and names of older girls would be greatly appreciated.Most places in NOVA have older ladies, try the Dulles area.

Yetanotherme
04-17-10, 22:29
Curiosity got the better of me and decided to go to Enliven. I dont know where any kind of positive reviews came from but oh well.

First, the person looking for over 40, you will like this place... What do you think about a decade or two even further? Second, the massage was honestly the worst I've ever had, from anyone, anywhere. I am rather certain that neither she nor I wanted to be there. The short time I was there my thoughts continued to return to wanting to mention that this was just a mistake and let me go but hoped that at least the massage would improve - it did not. Depending on how you look at it, the only good news was that even this terrible massage was shorter than the allotted time.

She noted several times that next time someone nice would take care of me so it would seem that even she knew this session was terrible. As for service... Between the age and poor massage I didn't want any type of service as I was actually looking forward to leaving. Would not even consider returning. I gave a minimal tip really only out of some odd feeling of obligation.

Really, this was bad enough that it will likely keep me from ever returning, not just here, but anywhere.

Meetmehalfway6
04-18-10, 19:10
New to the area and looking to try something out. Can anyone give me some advice on where I should go first where I can get the best service and not be treated like I am LE? I know all AMP's are relatively the same price, but I am just looking for some input from you all.

Thanks

Pilot Aviator
04-19-10, 23:00
Friend. This board is nothing if not "some input from you all". So if you want to be part of "you all" digest all the "input" that is here (there are years of posts. But you might start with just reading one or two pages). Then, try a place and report.

And whereever you go ALWAYS BE NICE TO THE LADIES!

PA


New to the area and looking to try something out. Can anyone give me some advice on where I should go first where I can get the best service and not be treated like I am LE? I know all AMP's are relatively the same price, but I am just looking for some input from you all.

Thanks

Badboycik
04-20-10, 11:42
On reflection I have not seen a report in a long time that makes me want to go to a specific place. And the places I have frequented over the years all have new ladies and poorer service. I think I am going to give up the hobby for awhile.

Ginger Man
04-20-10, 15:22
Taking the idea from a friend, I visited NSP today. To these old eyes, they seem to have a good rotation of three attractive attendants. I enjoyed a full, sixty-minute hour, good TS, great massage, and left smiling.

BTW, it seems the manager's foufy little dog had a litter. If any of you guys has a K-girlfriend, you might look into getting her one. Little Poufy froufy dogs being what the K gals seem to like.

Unless the male was an ugly old mutt like me!

AKFourtySeven
04-20-10, 20:03
Those poufy little pups will probably bring 3-500 each. Hey, remember that place in Dumfries with the dogs?

Xooom
04-20-10, 22:21
I have to agree with G-man the last few times the massage and service have been very enjoyable.

Cranberries
04-21-10, 09:03
motioned back to the room asking me if I had left anything behind because clearly I had my clothes and shoes on. Then, as I walked out the front door and saw the irritated expression on your face I realized I didn't tip you, I had only paid the house fee of two jacks and a dime and that is all it had cost me to be relieved of a month's worth of splooge.

I drove away confused and decided that nothing short of a public apology would suffice.

Now I can see why people are required to tip beforehand!

Yakblat
04-21-10, 13:06
I dropped by yesterday and had a good experience. They didn't recognize me and wanted to know how I found out about the place; I told them I saw their ad. Ruby(?) came into my assigned room after I had undressed and grabbed a towel and we were soon off to the shower room. She was cautious but presented her hand to be guided to where I was still unwashed. Back on the massage table she actually gave a nice enough massage which surprised me, as I haven't found that true after a table shower. She was very attentive the whole time and very calming, something else I hadn't noticed in an AMP. I got a little back-walking and decent attention to the legs as well. After turning over, I was again pleased at how relaxing she was.

Although Ruby and MMS were clearly taking the measure of me as I was unfamiliar to them, they weren't rude or suspicious. I like the parking and walk around to the wooded side of the place. The exterior door is open and the doorbell is in the anteroom, so you don't have to stand outside waiting for someone to answer the door. If LE ever stakes out the place they will be easy to spot. All in all, a nice, relaxing experience. .8/.6 Yak

Sleazebum
04-21-10, 15:45
I just got back from a wonderful massage session from Liz who is a white russian living very near the George Marshall School near Tysons.

She is a tall blonde Russian girl. Nice body and fair face. She offers a great massage dressed in lingerie with an amazing ending for just $120.

She lives in a townhouse and has the living room of the townhouse converted to a massage parlor of sorts. Sturdy massage table. My only complaint is the table does not have the hole for the face, but that is not a show stopper for me.

No shower offered so clean up before you go see her.

She has a strong accent so conversation might be a little difficult even with her clear command of our language. You can get a wonderful massage and easily talk about stuff too if you want.

For contact info you need to PM me and if you are not one of the known jackasses who foul up this board I will give you her contact info.

I highly recommend!

JJ

Cranberries
04-21-10, 15:48
Can anyone explain why Computer Luvv has to respond to the same post three different times? Please check this out:

http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=968565&postcount=3617
http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=968580&postcount=3620
http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=979338&postcount=3669

Sleazebum
04-21-10, 15:49
The one you refer to is a jackass. Nothing more, nothing less.

PEACE

JJ


Can anyone explain why Computer Luvv has to respond to the same post three different times? Please check this out:

http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=968565&postcount=3617
http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=968580&postcount=3620
http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=979338&postcount=3669

Brahmabull
04-21-10, 20:02
Good customer service is very keen, I guess u weren't around in the late 80s or the 90s


Been around longer then that, sorry. And customer service has nothing to do with my post.

You can not dictate terms to a provider on the 1st visit when you have earned no trust. PERIOD. Fact of the hobby.

Also you can just edit your posts, there is no need to make a seperate post to add more. It looks like you are just trying to drive up your post count.

Volvos40
04-22-10, 22:41
Man - I feel for you. When the old skank walks in just say 'Uh Uh', 'No way'. Ask for your $$ back. That's a riot dude.


Curiosity got the better of me and decided to go to Enliven. I dont know where any kind of positive reviews came from but oh well.

First, the person looking for over 40, you will like this place... What do you think about a decade or two even further? Second, the massage was honestly the worst I've ever had, from anyone, anywhere. I am rather certain that neither she nor I wanted to be there. The short time I was there my thoughts continued to return to wanting to mention that this was just a mistake and let me go but hoped that at least the massage would improve - it did not. Depending on how you look at it, the only good news was that even this terrible massage was shorter than the allotted time.

She noted several times that next time someone nice would take care of me so it would seem that even she knew this session was terrible. As for service... Between the age and poor massage I didn't want any type of service as I was actually looking forward to leaving. Would not even consider returning. I gave a minimal tip really only out of some odd feeling of obligation.

Really, this was bad enough that it will likely keep me from ever returning, not just here, but anywhere.

Existierende
04-23-10, 15:26
Hi all,

I'm coming down to DC and (I hobby in RI) have some time to kill near IAD. I saw this ad for indy massage in Sterling and set up an appointment for next week. I like bigger ladies, but I'm wondering if any of you have had bad experiences with her. I can't find any reviews on her at all. If you think I should stay away, please give me a heads up. PMs are fine. I'll submit a report if I go through with it.

Here's part of the ad:

***Currently running an $80 SPECIAL: 30 MINS or < NO hot paks. Work just your neck/back, upper legs front & back, and a little on your torso.***

LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SCHEDULEDING FOR: 30, 60 OR 90 MINUTES

Come and enjoy a sensual soothing relaxing massage in a private residence by a trained busty 42DD WF with soft skilled hands. It’s the real deal here; no bogus oil body rub. Expect to spend a solid hour on my heated massage table experiencing the wondrous bliss of a full-body Swedish massage with some deep tissue with my strokes and techniques infusing a sensuous element. I will be wearing a pair of short shorts and topless. I will allow some light touching; my breasts, legs, my behind on outside of my shorts. NOT FS. No GFE. No Outcalls/ONLY Incalls. $115 new clients/$100 repeat clients for 60 minutes....$150 for 90 minutes; cash only up front.

Telliks
04-23-10, 17:08
She is hideous, trust me, thats why the only pic avail is one of her chest.


Hi all,

I'm coming down to DC and (I hobby in RI) have some time to kill near IAD. I saw this ad for indy massage in Sterling and set up an appointment for next week. I like bigger ladies, but I'm wondering if any of you have had bad experiences with her. I can't find any reviews on her at all. If you think I should stay away, please give me a heads up. PMs are fine. I'll submit a report if I go through with it.

Here's part of the ad:

***Currently running an $80 SPECIAL: 30 MINS or < NO hot paks. Work just your neck/back, upper legs front & back, and a little on your torso.***

LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SCHEDULEDING FOR: 30, 60 OR 90 MINUTES

Come and enjoy a sensual soothing relaxing massage in a private residence by a trained busty 42DD WF with soft skilled hands. It’s the real deal here; no bogus oil body rub. Expect to spend a solid hour on my heated massage table experiencing the wondrous bliss of a full-body Swedish massage with some deep tissue with my strokes and techniques infusing a sensuous element. I will be wearing a pair of short shorts and topless. I will allow some light touching; my breasts, legs, my behind on outside of my shorts. NOT FS. No GFE. No Outcalls/ONLY Incalls. $115 new clients/$100 repeat clients for 60 minutes....$150 for 90 minutes; cash only up front.

Tom Wolff
04-23-10, 19:56
I was feeling the Asian fever, and went over to Blue Ocean based on some RTTFF here

First time, I went the mamasan, said they were busy, this at 2 in the afternoon, now I suppose I should have called but not thinking clearly.

Did some chores, called this time and was told to come back, when I got there, too busy again? Anyone have a similar experience? I am clean cut guy, over 30, professional, can't imagine it was how I was dressed or looked?

Might go back to check it out again and will post if I have better results.

TW

Funkey
04-23-10, 21:08
Two weeks ago I visited this old haunt and received a very satisfying massage from Sonny. Good TS, good massage and back walk, very friendly and a reasonably young (30-35) good looking spinner.

Returned last week hoping to repeat but found that Sonny was gone after two short weeks and a new lady named Nicky was my therapist. Fair TS, light massage, no back walk, not so friendly and not so young (45+).

Any intel on "Sonny from Best" please PM and I will return details.

Fun

Fatpig
04-24-10, 05:31
Decided to try this one again after such a long time. Met at the door by a short 5' lady. decent shower, good massage with backwalk. Excellent flip. No name as asked. Standard tip was given. Nice experience.

Justforme
04-24-10, 09:16
Saw Bobby,

Nice shape tight and tone with enhanced headlights. She did everything just nice and offered all the right deal. Asked $.4 for the deal only had $.2, she took the offer. As I was ready to hit the road she said next time $$.

Good but no repete because of the last comment on her part.

Existierende
04-24-10, 20:17
Thanks for the warning. But can you tell me if you think she's hideous b/c she's heavy (which I don't mind and kind of like) or b/c she's huge and obese and ugly (which I would definitely mind). Thanks!


She is hideous, trust me, thats why the only pic avail is one of her chest.

Tophat31
04-24-10, 21:16
Hey Existerende,

As somebody who has hobbied in RI and then moved down here, don't even bother. RI is, as you know, a fantasy land of young 20 something beautiful porn star looking "masseuses" (granted the new law probably has limited how it once was but it still must be good). Down here, the old unnattractive 40+ year olds give you a standard HE and they are mad if you don't pay them $$. In RI, $$ gets you "everything" with an unbelievable looking asian girl with a great attitude.

It's rediculous. If you were coming from anywhere besides RI I would tell you to try it to kill some time but it's awful down here


Hi all,

I'm coming down to DC and (I hobby in RI) have some time to kill near IAD. I saw this ad for indy massage in Sterling and set up an appointment for next week. I like bigger ladies, but I'm wondering if any of you have had bad experiences with her. I can't find any reviews on her at all. If you think I should stay away, please give me a heads up. PMs are fine. I'll submit a report if I go through with it.

Here's part of the ad:

***Currently running an $80 SPECIAL: 30 MINS or < NO hot paks. Work just your neck/back, upper legs front & back, and a little on your torso. ***

LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SCHEDULEDING FOR: 30, 60 OR 90 MINUTES

Come and enjoy a sensual soothing relaxing massage in a private residence by a trained busty 42DD WF with soft skilled hands. It's the real deal here; no bogus oil body rub. Expect to spend a solid hour on my heated massage table experiencing the wondrous bliss of a full-body Swedish massage with some deep tissue with my strokes and techniques infusing a sensuous element. I will be wearing a pair of short shorts and topless. I will allow some light touching; my breasts, legs, my behind on outside of my shorts. NOT FS. No GFE. No Outcalls/ONLY Incalls. $115 new clients/$100 repeat clients for 60 minutes. $150 for 90 minutes; cash only up front.

Bigcatt69
04-25-10, 11:57
Yesterday, I checked out the eco-friendly spa near Dulles, which was not too hard to find, although kind of pricey, but so worth it. A real highlight actually was the Mamasan who gave me an excellent TS, hitting all the right spots, so much so that I would have been fine to have her for the session (but that would have been foolish). Only downside was it was busy, so I had a wait for my therapist, but Mamasan came and gave me bottle water while I was waiting. Still it was totally worth the wait, the therapist (never quite got her name stunning and just my type. A massage from this beautiful woman was great, and after the main courses she gave me an excellent backwalk before helping me on my way. I will definitely repeat.

Oldtar
04-25-10, 17:44
I was in fairfax recently so I gave her a call. She gave me an address but no directions and said call again when I got there. I did, thanks to my GPS, but when I called she said she was busy and would call me back, which she did a half hour later. Told me to come up to the apartment on the third floor. It was a nice but almost unfurnished apartment. She took me into the bedroom, told me to undress, hang my clothes in the closet and lie down on the table, which looked more like an ironing board than a massage table, just barely big enough for 1 person. Without asking how long I wanted to stay, she told me to leave the donation on the small side table and left. I did as instructed, left 80 on the table (the ad said 80 for an hour), and lay down. Quite a while later she returned, wearing only brief panties, said she was sorry for the delay and began the massage, using a lot of oil. She was only average looking, with small breasts. I've never had a tantric massage before but this was a poor one by any name and was very brief. After the flip she went directly to the HJ. She did allow roaming but stayed nearly at arm's length. I did manage to get some fingers into the kitty, which was quite wet. When I finished she directed me to the bathroom to shower alone. When I finished that, I returned to the room to find some mints and a sign that said "TIPS" on the massage table. I dressed and left the apartment. Total time, from my FIRST call until I returned to my car was just barely an hour. No way I'll ever return.

Wahooboy94
04-26-10, 00:12
Normally I don't visit two AMPs on the same night but that was the case a few nights ago.

It had been about a month since my last visit to an AMP (Papaya) and I was in the mood to return to Castle at which I had a terrific visit with the cute and very chatty Sue.

I get there around 6PM, park the car in a discreet spot, open the door and run up the stairs to ring the door bell. I'm hoping I will see Sue again. Mamasan answers the door, gives me a big smile, and walks me in (hello again to the big poster of Gillian Anderson -- who knew she was a fave at AMPs?).

I ask Mamasan if it is busy tonight, she tells me no and takes me into my room where I pay for an hour. She then tells me 10 minutes. I wince, and asked her if she was sure I would only be waiting 10 minutes -- she told me not to worry. I think about leaving and going somewhere else, but decided to relax and be patient.

I undress and wait and in approximately 10 minutes (yay!) my provider shows up. I thought she was Sue, asked her if she was Sue, and she tells me yes, she is Sue. I would later figure out that she wasn't the original Sue I saw. This Sue was short, very nice figure, red highlights in her hair. Looked good, but did look a little old in the face. Nice smile, but I was doubtful this was the Sue I had seen 30 days earlier.

She takes me to the TS and proceeds to give me a decent TS. As mentioned in another post, there are two tables in this shower room and a curtain that can divide the room. As I'm getting my TS, another provider walks in and smiles at me as I look up -- she is very cute and I smile back. "Sue" tells me to flip and when I do, I can look through an opening in the curtain where I see another hobbyist standing there naked and waiting to get on the table next to me. Great. Not what I was expecting or wanting to see. The other provider completely closes the curtain, my TS is finished, I stand up and get dried off and "Sue" walks me out. As I go around the corner, boom, another hobbyist standing in the hallway. He doesn't see me, but I back up out of sight. Turns out I went the wrong way -- my fault. "Sue" to her credit is apologetic and annoyed that there appears to be a lack of privacy being experienced here. We go back to the room, she helps to dry me off and I assume the position.

Now, the first Sue gave me a terrific, expert and firm massage with an excellent, but standard finish. This Sue believes that what I need is a very light touch, and proceeds to stroke me lightly with her hands and hair. Whatever -- I would have enjoyed something more therapeutic but it felt very nice and was getting me in the mood. At this point I pretty much figured out this wasn't my girl but she was nice enough. The other clue was her English wasn't very good like the first Sue.

She tells me to flip maybe 20 minutes into the massage and extends an open palm to me. While I think I knew what she was asking for, I was a bit caught off guard. I had a potential tip sitting out open on the table. She knew it was there. Yet there she was holding out her hand and pointing at it, gesturing with it, drawing boxes in the air, I had no idea what she was trying to tell me. I couldn't even understand the words coming out of her mouth. Did she want me to stand up, walk across the room and put the tip in her hand? I told her I brought a tip, but she kept pointing at her hand and drawing boxes in the air.

This went on for almost a minute. I was getting frustrated. She finally points at her pussy and makes some comment along the lines of don't I know how this works. I tell her again I brought a tip but at this point I had had enough. I wasn't interested in FS and frankly didn't want a HJ from her either at this point. I sat up and told her I wasn't enjoying this, and that this wasn't what I was looking for. I get up and start getting dressed. She tries to help me dress but I was so disappointed by this visit, I really had nothing else to say.

I leave her $20 and pretty much walked out. I go downstairs to the glass door and I'm about to walk out when another one of you guys are backing your truck up in a parking spot immediately in front of the door and you just sit there with me looking at you. Of all the places you could have picked, you have to park immediately in front of the entrance. I look at you, you look at me. Really? Can't you look away or something? Finally, I give up and just walk out back to my car, around the corner and a bit out of sight, get in, start it up, and leave.

I didn't want my evening to be a total waste, so I go where I probably should have gone in the first place and that is to CTM where Sarah treated me like a King. I've written numerous posts about CTM -- you can read those if you're interested. All I will say it was my finest visit yet to CTM and made up for a very poor experience at Castle. What makes me feel bad about posting this review is I really, really enjoyed my first visit, but this was so bad, I don't know if I will be able to bring myself to go back.

Brahmabull
04-26-10, 07:49
I go downstairs to the glass door and I'm about to walk out when another one of you guys are backing your truck up in a parking spot immediately in front of the door and you just sit there with me looking at you. Of all the places you could have picked, you have to park immediately in front of the entrance. I look at you, you look at me. Really? Can't you look away or something? Finally, I give up and just walk out back to my car, around the corner and a bit out of sight, get in, start it up, and leave.


Ok, I grant you running into mongers in the TS or any other part of the spa in a state of undress (walking around with your towel wrapped around) is completely wrong and not cool.

But what is this shame you are feeling that you can not be "seen" by someone who is also going to the same spot you are exiting from? Some of us are not embarrassed to be seen entering and leaving a spot, some of us do not feel the need to "hide" our cars and park right in front. Sometimes guys who are not ashamed will run into you guys who seem to be absolutely embarassed and feel guilty about the hobby. The problem is on your side not his. Do not project your feelings on to someone else and just assume he should understand.

So what some stranger saw you leaving a spa. Big deal, you are not so important that anyone of us is going to notice you/remember you or give a 2nd thought to you. Why would we care?

LatinaLover77
04-26-10, 10:26
But what is this shame you are feeling that you can not be "seen" by someone who is also going to the same spot you are exiting from? Some of us are not embarrassed to be seen entering and leaving a spot, some of us do not feel the need to "hide" our cars and park right in front. Sometimes guys who are not ashamed will run into you guys who seem to be absolutely embarassed and feel guilty about the hobby. The problem is on your side not his. Do not project your feelings on to someone else and just assume he should understand.

So what some stranger saw you leaving a spa. Big deal, you are not so important that anyone of us is going to notice you/remember you or give a 2nd thought to you. Why would we care?


I have no problems parking in front of the place and walking in with my head held high. I'm 33 years old and I have nothing to be ashamed of. I have no issues with anyone seeing me enter a place to get a massage. I go mainly for the massage and getting a HJ is just an added bonus. I could care less.

Ginger Man
04-26-10, 15:47
Saw Bobby,

Nice shape tight and tone with enhanced headlights. She did everything just nice and offered all the right deal. Asked $.4 for the deal only had $.2, she took the offer. As I was ready to hit the road she said next time $$.

Good but no repete because of the last comment on her part.

She better be escort quality. Whew!

Justforme
04-26-10, 17:26
And a lot better than what I see on the escort pages. I can tell you I will not return. The $$ is about .4 more than I would have had if I went to one of the local apts.

I will not pay her extortion



She better be escort quality. Whew!

Entourage
04-27-10, 11:29
Thanks for the warning. But can you tell me if you think she's hideous b/c she's heavy (which I don't mind and kind of like) or b/c she's huge and obese and ugly (which I would definitely mind). Thanks!She's huge and obese and ugly.

Computer Luvvv
04-27-10, 16:37
Thought I'd try King out today, just got vehicle out of shop this morning so I didn't go to work last nite, had a little nugget in the bank, so I headed on over and got Sandy, all went very well.

Astroman1492
04-27-10, 21:20
First timer here. Went to the place near Popeyes in Sterling last weekend.

Met with mamasan and told her I hadn't been there before but had read good things on the Internet about it so I think that put her more at ease. Went to a room and asked for an hour with TS. A few minutes later Heidi came in and took me into the shower room. B cups, short, and thin as a reed. I'm a horrible judge of age so I won't guess. I don't have anything to compare the TS to, but the water was nice and hot and the scrubbing very thorough. She also asked if I had been there before but I repeated the Internet line and flirted a bit, saying the Internet said they had the best service and ladies.

Back to the room and I discovered my first mistake. I forgot to leave a tip. Heidi, in broken English, told me that right now the massage was all face-down, no face-up. She made sure I understood and left the room while I corrected my mistake.

Hot towel on the back for the back-walk that was very thorough. Then a general massage with the hands, no oil. Flip with some light touching all over, then standard NOVA finish. Roaming was allowed, above and beneath. She left the room for a short time then came back with another hot towel for cleanup before helping me dress and I noticed it was almost exactly an hour.

Overall an excellent experience, though again I have no real point of reference. I would probably repeat with Heidi but her broken English put a bit of a damper on the whole hour.

In closing I'd like to thank all of you for the reports and for opening my eyes to this hobby. I appreciate it.

Loki Cookie
04-27-10, 22:10
After my initial stumble concerning an agency on the escorts post I decided to take another stab but this time decided to go the AMP route. Went to King and was greeted by the mamasan and gave her the standard hour,. 80, fee. After a while was greeted by Cherry who smiled and said hello. As far as how I would rate her looks: 7 body: 6 and attitude: 9. I enjoyed the TS very much. She made sure the water temp was to my liking and also clean every part of me. After the shower we went back to the room and noticed I was shivering a little so she puts a hot towel over my back and legs and asked if I was warming up which I said yes. She then proceeded to give me a nice massage on the back and legs. After that was done she told me to flip and that's when the fun began. She allowed a lot of roaming and she told me that she liked me since I made her laugh a lot during the message session. Standard NOVA finish with a little teasing. Since she gave excellent service I tipped her. 80. She told me to come back next time since I'm "so cute. " Of course I consider myself lucky but when your of the same ethnicity the odds increase and the ladies tend to like you even more.. But overall I will repeat and forget about agencies all together!

Pilot Aviator
04-27-10, 23:44
My ATF oriental massage place was surprisingly busy when I called – they suggested I visit another time (and I will) but as I had time tonight, I visited another place I am frequenting more often of late. ***.

Mickey is the evening MMS (I think). She confirmed she answered the phone when I called and she answered the door when I rang – and as the other ladies were busy, she provided me a nice massage.

She is typically older (as is usually the case for the MMS), fit (slender and well shaped), short black hair (very lovely) a very nice face, smile, hands and friendly to talk with. I enjoyed my visit.

Greeting: 8/10

I called ahead, and the door was answered promptly. I noted three other cars in the parking lot when I arrived. When I departed, I was the only client left and the lot was empty.

Mickey takes me upstairs to the room right next to the TS it is smaller than the other rooms. Collects the house. 8 and says the shower will be ready in five minutes (I could hear it was being used at the time).

When she returns, off to the shower we go I saw a tall, strikingly lovely younger lady on the way to the shower (all four steps) – and I will ask to meet her next visit.

TS: 7/10. It was short – but the water warm –all was clean when we left (including my face)

Discussion before massage: Mickey noted she had not met me before tonight. Taking note of the amount of change I left under my watch, she enquired about what I might prefer. I usually do not like this discussion, but I have come to accept that it is an OK thing when first meeting a provider. Thanks to those that participated in those discussions two months ago. She asked if the change was for her. I did not argue the point. It is the first time I have had a provider actually take possession of the gratuity before the massage was complete.

Massage: Call it a 6 or 7/10

Technique: about 15 minutes of soft, long strokes.

In-between: score that 7. 5/10

Ending: Non-rushed a bit mechanical pleasant enough the entire time

Departure: Another five minute wait (alone in the room). A little help getting dressed. And out the door.

Overall. 7. 5/10 // I'll repeat at the location – I would be OK if Mickey is my provider again, but I would be more inclined to ask for someone else.

Tip – typical for the enjoyed service.

What I did not like: a minimum of 10 minutes alone in the room all the time counting towards the 57 minutes that elapsed between the time I arrived and departed.

Always be nice to the ladies

PA

Brahmabull
04-28-10, 07:58
What I did not like: a minimum of 10 minutes alone in the room all the time counting towards the 57 minutes that elapsed between the time I arrived and departed.

Always be nice to the ladies

PA


I am with you. Extended time out of the room should mean they extend the session equally.

Now in this hobby there are times we know we will be alone without compensation. And these are fine so long as they are keep brief.

1. After taking the house fee and you are left to undress typically 1-3minutes.
2. After the shower (if you are not left in the sauna) while she cleans the shower room, usually 3-4 minutes.
3. After the massage when they retrieve the 'hot towel' to wipe off the oil or lotion used for the massage typically 1-3 minutes.

These are all expected and as long as they are as brief as possible, generally I am ok with them.
If the girl is out of the room for any other reason for any length of time our time should be extended without issue. When this happens and they do not extend the time, I simply politely point it out when she says "Time up", I will let her know she is forgetting she left the room for x minutes and no service was provided during that time. Usually they will continue and repay the time.
Occassionally I have to ask them to go and speak to the mamasan and she will instruct the girl to continue for the time owed. There is value in being a regular and known customer.

Fatpig
04-28-10, 09:34
Went back to Holiday after a few happy hour beers. It was Ruby who I had last time. She remembered me and gave a big smile and hug. She gets better with knowing you. To say the least, she took care of me. Great overall experience.
She has a great body, great technique but ok face.

Hofi35
04-28-10, 20:18
Looks like King and Green got hit this morning or last night. Anyone anymore info?

Cranberries
04-28-10, 21:19
Looks like King and Green got hit this morning or last night. Anyone anymore info?

I did notice there were inquiries and posts by complete newbies. Kinda suspicious!

Xooom
04-28-10, 21:30
I was at a VA spa, a bit out of town, awhile ago, the mamasan there has always been nice, and she is very attractive. She is not around when I get there, but about 20 minutes into the session she returns and comes in the room and tells the girl she needs to go talk to some guy in the lobby, she recognizes me and takes over the massage. I gotta tell ya, 10 out of 10 she was amazing, this goes on for a good 30 minutes as I hear the girl and this guy just chatting it up in the lobby. I ask her if she wants to finish things but she is like no, not this time, the 1st one needs the tip. Well when they switch off again, I am thinking ok flip time, not, she just continues where she left off. I was there a good 1.75 hours, best value for my money ever.

Sleazebum
04-28-10, 22:56
I have been getting request for info from newbies with as few as ZERO posts!!

That takes a lot of nerve!

NEWBIES!! POST SOMETHING FIRST!!!

JJ

MassLover
04-28-10, 23:09
Looks like King and Green got hit this morning or last night. Anyone anymore info?

Be extremely careful with King, Green, and Aroma which offer everything on the menu. I mentioned before that I had seen all 3 of them were under Surveillance.

Anon Busi
04-29-10, 01:58
Be extremely careful with King, Green, and Aroma which offer everything on the menu. I mentioned before that I had seen all 3 of them were under Surveillance.Damn it. I like King.

Most girls are nice looking and under 40 there.

Brahmabull
04-29-10, 09:37
Be extremely careful with King, Green, and Aroma which offer everything on the menu. I mentioned before that I had seen all 3 of them were under Surveillance.


Rumor has it that the Serling area spas were next to be hit by VA LE. It is/was only a matter of time.

Shadowtrk
04-29-10, 11:58
Just confirmed from the Leesburg journal, green was hit tuesday night along with the staff five guys caught. Crazy times.

MassLover
04-29-10, 13:30
Damn it. I like King.

Most girls are nice looking and under 40 there.

Good things won't last long in this County.

Cranberries
04-29-10, 14:20
It's always the same pattern... Once you see newbies with 0-1 posts popping up and asking questions about a place, it's time to stay home!

Ortho313
04-29-10, 14:22
After a six-month investigation by the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office's Vice-Narcotics Unit deputies shut down a Potomac Falls business that allegedly was operating an unlicensed massage parlor. The owner and eight others face criminal charges.

The business, Green Therapy in the Cascades Marketplace, was raided during the execution of search warrant Tuesday night.

Owner Mi J. Kwon, 41, of Potomac Falls, was charged with maintaining a bawdy place and allowing massages to be performed without a valid permit.

Two employees--Min H. Sweeny, 40, of Georgia, and Jung S. Choi, 35, of North Carolina--were charged with performing massages without a valid permit. A third employee, Seon H. Wolf, 43, was charged with" willfully placing a hand or hands upon, touch with any part of the body, fondle in any manner or massage a sexual or genital part of any other person."

Additionally, deputies charged Jason D. Cienfuegos, 26, of Sterling, Bradley S. Cleg, 23, of Frederick, MD, Jason R. Molina-Garcia, 19, of Herndon, Ravi K. Gadap, 34, of Reston and Hassan Malik, 32, of Reston, with frequenting a bawdy place.

The activities of the business remain under investigation.

Andrewsted
04-29-10, 14:25
This is from The Loudoun Times Mirror (Leesburg, Va.)

Nine people were arrested April 27 in connection with a search at a Sterling massage parlor that was deemed a bawdy place.

After a six-month investigation, the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office searched Green Therapy in the 21100 block of Whitfield Place in Cascades at about 6 p.m., spokesman Kraig Troxell said.

The business’s owner, Mi J. Kwon, 41, of Potomac Falls, was charged with maintaining a bawdy place and allowing massages to be performed without a valid permit, Troxell said.

The following people were charged with frequenting a bawdy place:

Jason D. Cienfuegos, 26, of Sterling

Bradley S. Cleg, 23, of Frederick, Md.

Jason R. Molina-Garcia, 19, of Herndon

Ravi K. Gadap, 34, of Reston

Hassan Malik, 32, of Reston

In addition, two female employees, Min H. Sweeny, 40, of Georgia and Jung S. Choi, 35, of North Carolina were charged with performing massages without a valid permit, Troxell said.

A third female employee, Seon H. Wolf, 43, was charged with willfully placing a hand or hands upon, touch with any part of the body, fondle in any manner or massage a sexual or genital part of any other person, Troxell said.

The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office Vice-Narcotics unit continues to investigate the activities of the business.

Cranberries
04-29-10, 14:26
Wait a minute, I thought these girls were supposed to be all mostly under 40. :D

You guys just don't know what you're missing from this area after DC turned into a wasteland... That's what happens when you cheap out over $20

Brahmabull
04-29-10, 15:51
After a six-month investigation by the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office's Vice-Narcotics Unit deputies shut down a Potomac Falls business that allegedly was operating an unlicensed massage parlor. The owner and eight others face criminal charges.

The business, Green Therapy in the Cascades Marketplace, was raided during the execution of search warrant Tuesday night.

X, 41, of Potomac Falls, was charged with maintaining a bawdy place and allowing massages to be performed without a valid permit.

Two employees--X, 40, of Georgia, and X 35, of North Carolina--were charged with performing massages without a valid permit. A third employee, X, 43, was charged with" willfully placing a hand or hands upon, touch with any part of the body, fondle in any manner or massage a sexual or genital part of any other person."

Additionally, deputies charged X 26, of Sterling, X, 23, of Frederick, MD, X, 19, of Herndon, X, 34, of Reston and X, 32, of Reston, with frequenting a bawdy place.

The activities of the business remain under investigation.

http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0410/730888.html

I thought Jackson said we were NOT to post the names of people busted?

Justforme
04-29-10, 16:08
Bring in younger more pleasing lovelies I would give an extra 40+. The problem is you have Motel 6 types charging like they are putting on the Ritz.

We are not being offered the younger and newer will to learn and please. We keep offering more for less.

At any price most have past their time. I would love to see the new immigrants coming in and more new unspoiled latins.



Wait a minute, I thought these girls were supposed to be all mostly under 40. :D

You guys just don't know what you're missing from this area after DC turned into a wasteland... That's what happens when you cheap out over $20

Fatpig
04-29-10, 16:15
Dang now I have to wait a bit for the smoke to clear. Thanks for the articles though.

So did anyone ever map out what days are most hit with raids? Is there a pattern?

Brahmabull
04-29-10, 16:22
3 girls working yet they busted 5 guys. 2 of whom would have to have been sitting fully clothed waiting for their massage.

I would think that at least 2 of them could beat that charge, frequenting a Bawdy place, since how the hell are they supposed to know before they get there and receive an offer of something other than massage that the place is bawdy?

Andrewsted
04-29-10, 16:39
Well, this is interesting: The news articles say that the 'bust' occurred at 6:00 p.m. on April 27, 2010. If you go back to CL, you will see an add from Green Therapy that was posted at 6:58 p.m. ! Weird, I guess the big boss' that run the place and post the ads for the individual parlors was not aware of the bust at the time it occurred.


3 girls working yet they busted 5 guys. 2 of whom would have to have been sitting fully clothed waiting for their massage.

I would think that at least 2 of them could beat that charge, frequenting a Bawdy place, since how the hell are they supposed to know before they get there and receive an offer of something other than massage that the place is bawdy?

Yakblat
04-29-10, 16:56
"After a six month investigation, deputies obtained a search warrant and raided the business about 6 p.m. on Tuesday."

It took a six month investigation to figure it out? Either they are dimwitted or someone has way too much time on his hands. Yak

Anon Busi
04-29-10, 17:25
I think the Frequenting a Bawdy Place thing has more to do with shame and getting names in the paper than actually criminal charge. Your analysis is right on, it's very easy to show reasonable doubt and get off (no pun intended).


3 girls working yet they busted 5 guys. 2 of whom would have to have been sitting fully clothed waiting for their massage.

I would think that at least 2 of them could beat that charge, frequenting a Bawdy place, since how the hell are they supposed to know before they get there and receive an offer of something other than massage that the place is bawdy?

Astroman1492
04-29-10, 17:32
So, as a newbie to this hobby, what does this mean to us mongers other than the obvious "Stay away from these places for a while"? Is the raid generally the end of the investigation or the beginning of rooting out all of the mongers who may have visited?

Dr Bombay
04-29-10, 17:39
http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0410/730888.html

I thought Jackson said we were NOT to post the names of people busted?
After all the loose talk in here that got Green busted, it's a little late to get discreet. Anytime a place gets talked up in here, I stay far away.

Loki Cookie
04-29-10, 18:14
Thanks for the info about King. Dang it I was hoping to go back there again. :( Now it's just me and movies. How's Clash of the Titans?

Phillie
04-29-10, 18:15
http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0410/730888.html

I thought Jackson said we were NOT to post the names of people busted?Damn shame, time to stay home till this all blows over. I was actually going to head out to Sterling at my fav place earlier this week, just as well i didn't. I suppose this confirms what I mentioned a while back about seeing suspicious people in the parking lot. 6 month surveillance, don't they have anything better to do?

Cranberries
04-29-10, 19:34
Bring in younger more pleasing lovelies I would give an extra 40+. The problem is you have Motel 6 types charging like they are putting on the Ritz.

We are not being offered the younger and newer will to learn and please. We keep offering more for less.

At any price most have past their time. I would love to see the new immigrants coming in and more new unspoiled latins.

They're not going to come here with cheapskates like you lol.

Luther Pinks
04-29-10, 20:07
I have never been to an AMP before, and I decided to break the ice.

I was a bit hesitant at first but finally decided to go ahead and go through with it, and it was all that I had hoped. I spent some time RTFF to get some ideas as to where I should go and found a place that I felt had some good reviews.

So it was a few days ago & I showed up and was greeted by the MMS and had the whole place to myself. She took me to my room where I paid the standard NOVA fee for an hour. There was maybe 5 minutes waiting time whatsoever which was nice since I was alone in the place.

After I changed, Tina came in and we proceeded to my first TS. It certainly was great. Water was nice and warm (more towards hot, which I loved) and overall it was very nice.

We got back into the room where I got a through massage. Backwalk was awesome, got all the kinks out my back. She was very good with the massage, not too rough but just right. Tina's english was not that bad and we had a nice conversation for most of the time. After the massage I got what I assume is a standard NOVA finish (perhaps a bit more. Still trying to figure out what the standard is, LOL). Left a good tip and was on my way.

I don't have anything to compare to but I certainly enjoyed it. I intend on going back and I might try out a new place, but I'm a bit hesitant to try out places I don't know anything about. We'll see how things go.

Hofi35
04-29-10, 20:25
Only Green got hit as we can see and hear. I've checked news7, pretty strong. 6 months investigation, is it possible that LE sended someone in? All I know from talking to mamasan while ago, there was some complaints from offices around, but nothing serious happened that time. Be safe out there and stop dreaming. None of the ladies anywhere in DC/MD/VA is under 40. Its just illusion done by ton of make up, dimmed light and thinknig with wrong head. Good times never last for too long.

Brahmabull
04-29-10, 20:59
Only Green got hit as we can see and hear. I've checked news7, pretty strong. 6 months investigation, is it possible that LE sended someone in? All I know from talking to mamasan while ago, there was some complaints from offices around, but nothing serious happened that time. Be safe out there and stop dreaming. None of the ladies anywhere in DC/MD/VA is under 40. Its just illusion done by ton of make up, dimmed light and thinknig with wrong head. Good times never last for too long.


There are ladies under 40 in this market. Spread out all over the region. This spot had at least 1 and she was busted.

MassLover
04-29-10, 22:44
Dang now I have to wait a bit for the smoke to clear. Thanks for the articles though.

So did anyone ever map out what days are most hit with raids? Is there a pattern?

I don't know if there is a pattern or not. But, since I have been visiting so many MPs for so long, I do notice that no MP lasts longer than about 6 months after starting to do FS. As I know, Green has been offering a full scale FS for 7-8 months.

Aroma and King are somewhat behind, but in the same league. Watch out and don't let your little head take you to there now, unless you don't mind your name showing up on the news.

Eerock
04-30-10, 09:14
Well, this is interesting: The news articles say that the 'bust' occurred at 6:00 p.m. on April 27, 2010. If you go back to CL, you will see an add from Green Therapy that was posted at 6:58 p.m. ! Weird, I guess the big boss' that run the place and post the ads for the individual parlors was not aware of the bust at the time it occurred.If you notice on CL, all the VA AMPs seem to post one after another (and post racier ads in the adult section than they do in the therapeutic section). It has led me to believe the same person is doing all their CL posts The ads often use the same type of fonts and colors as well. The group now posting even now includes Sun Star in Merrifield and AMTB in Arlington, which I don't recall previously posting on CL.

Serpico99
04-30-10, 13:43
Only Green got hit as we can see and hear. I've checked news7, pretty strong. 6 months investigation, is it possible that LE sended someone in? All I know from talking to mamasan while ago, there was some complaints from offices around, but nothing serious happened that time. Be safe out there and stop dreaming. None of the ladies anywhere in DC/MD/VA is under 40. Its just illusion done by ton of make up, dimmed light and thinknig with wrong head. Good times never last for too long.The owners of these places need to take some classes on commercial real estate and do some scouting on locations. I can see why Green would get busted, it's in an high volume office park with no real discreet entrance, like some other places situated in office park locations (e. G. Mike Onos and the Chesapeak Bay LOL). Plus it's in the Cascades section of Sterling (the more upscale section of Sterling). It would had gained less attention if you stuck in an industrial park, like what some of the AMPs do in noVA.

And King. Well the place is situated in an office park that has had fed eyes on it due to the MS13 and other gang "problem" in that shopping complex. The FBI gave a talk a couple years ago at one of the schools near this place and said they and have been observing the gang trash hanging out in this complex area (mostly near the Biglots and Safeway area). Plus, the Loudon donut eaters have alledgely (per the local news, e. G. WTOP) installed surveillance cameras in the Safeway/Biglots shopping complex. I am sure LE checks out the complex that King is located. I have seen multiple times, LE sitting on their motorcycles and cruisers in that complex.

Black Coffee
04-30-10, 17:22
The owners of these places need to take some classes on commercial real estate and do some scouting on locations.You are correct. The place in western Chantilly and Eva in PWC come to mind as other examples of poor site selection. Close proximity to nosy neighbors, comfortable surveilence spots and only one way in and out are big negatives. Incidently, they both were the best appointed facilities I have had the pleasure to visit. On another topic, there are under 40 year old providers scattered throughout Nova for those who care about such things, but for me it's the experience with the individual, not the age. Finally, the comments on the Green bust on WTOP's website are an encouraging read.

BC

Oldtar
04-30-10, 17:54
"After a six month investigation, deputies obtained a search warrant and raided the business about 6 p.m. on Tuesday."

It took a six month investigation to figure it out? Either they are dimwitted or someone has way too much time on his hands. Yak

Of course they are dimwitted. As one DC officer told me years ago, "If they had any brains they wouldn't be cops in the first place."
And of course they have too much time on their hands. There aren't enough college kids and tv reporters to beat up to keep them all busy.
As someone else said some time ago, "93% of cops give the rest a bad name."

Justforme
04-30-10, 20:07
The reason we do not get the same quality that other states do might be because fools like you will over pay for lesser quality. Why send the quality yo NOVA if you will pay for anything. When the ones who cannot make it in the big city come here they will meet with hard up fools like you and makes the money the elite make a quality spot.

So keep over paying abd the goodswll never improve or make a stand and ask for better and ew to come your way.

I would rather be a cheapskate who pays for quality then a fool who over pays for the lack of .....



They're not going to come here with cheapskates like you lol.

Cranberries
04-30-10, 21:09
The reason we do not get the same quality that other states do might be because fools like you will over pay for lesser quality. Why send the quality yo NOVA if you will pay for anything. When the ones who cannot make it in the big city come here they will meet with hard up fools like you and makes the money the elite make a quality spot.

So keep over paying abd the goodswll never improve or make a stand and ask for better and ew to come your way.

I would rather be a cheapskate who pays for quality then a fool who over pays for the lack of .....

I'm sorry but you make no sense at all. You're trying to dictate to me that the reason we don't get good quality is because we overpay the girls? So girls don't like guys who overpay and that's why they stay away from this area. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, honestly.

Kamen
04-30-10, 21:34
Only Green got hit as we can see and hear. I've checked news7, pretty strong. 6 months investigation, is it possible that LE sended someone in? All I know from talking to mamasan while ago, there was some complaints from offices around, but nothing serious happened that time. Be safe out there and stop dreaming. None of the ladies anywhere in DC/MD/VA is under 40. Its just illusion done by ton of make up, dimmed light and thinknig with wrong head. Good times never last for too long.Hofi35,

Sometime dream will come true!

Yesterday finally find one AMP ladies sure under her 30 in DC for my birthday present Candy. Her face, sink and body told me she is young and in her mid 20 also her service is very good too.

This is my first AMP ladies under 30 in my pass two year AMP experience.
She is in SHELL gas station.

Kamen

Omega0003
04-30-10, 23:27
I've never gotten a complaint from over-tipping. Some people just don't get it.
I'm sorry but you make no sense at all. You're trying to dictate to me that the reason we don't get good quality is because we overpay the girls? So girls don't like guys who overpay and that's why they stay away from this area. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, honestly.

Omega0003
04-30-10, 23:32
Maybe they don't have a choice as to the location. They may pick the first available place to re-open or it may be someone totally different making the decisions as to where to locate. Whoever is making the decisions propably could care less because if force to, they will open up shop somewhere else. That's just my opinion.


The owners of these places need to take some classes on commercial real estate and do some scouting on locations. I can see why Green would get busted, it's in an high volume office park with no real discreet entrance, like some other places situated in office park locations (e. G. Mike Onos and the Chesapeak Bay LOL). Plus it's in the Cascades section of Sterling (the more upscale section of Sterling). It would had gained less attention if you stuck in an industrial park, like what some of the AMPs do in noVA.

And King. Well the place is situated in an office park that has had fed eyes on it due to the MS13 and other gang "problem" in that shopping complex. The FBI gave a talk a couple years ago at one of the schools near this place and said they and have been observing the gang trash hanging out in this complex area (mostly near the Biglots and Safeway area). Plus, the Loudon donut eaters have alledgely (per the local news, e. G. WTOP) installed surveillance cameras in the Safeway/Biglots shopping complex. I am sure LE checks out the complex that King is located. I have seen multiple times, LE sitting on their motorcycles and cruisers in that complex.

Phillie
05-01-10, 01:09
Hi all,

While in San Fran I hit up a well known place called Nikki's. The place was quiet as a mouse the entire time I was there, and despite that, I enjoyed myself. Was let in by Monica, a big boned maybe 40 year old Vietnamese girl. She offered for me to take a shower in the back that has some shower stalls. When I came back to my massage room, I noticed that the walls don't extend right to the ceiling, which is a little weird. Also, the doors have little windows in them? Weird, right? Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because this place is known for their "tea service". PM me if you don't already know what that is. This is something totally new to me and I rather enjoyed it. I ended up ordering everything on the menu and it set me back slightly more than NOVA prices, but I guess SF is a little more expensive. Monica was so friendly and she ended up laying and talking to me afterwards for about 20 minutes. This has never happened to me ever! I would definitely go back and see her again, she has an excellent bedside manner.

Just thought I'd share that with you as a comparison.

A John
05-01-10, 02:29
Some here ont only "just don't get it" they never will! Same goes with the Closeings.


I've never gotten a complaint from over-tipping. Some people just don't get it.

Justforme
05-01-10, 11:31
Since this appears personal I responded to you PM. But I will say it is stupid to over pay for lack of service. I tip 20% for good service in a restaurant but if the service is not of quality I will leave about 1%, this makes sense for a restaurant as well as any other service.

So go on over pay for the lack of quality and quality will never come to the area.

PS: you can make you personal attacks to me through PM. This form is for other reasons.





I'm sorry but you make no sense at all. You're trying to dictate to me that the reason we don't get good quality is because we overpay the girls? So girls don't like guys who overpay and that's why they stay away from this area. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, honestly.

Justforme
05-01-10, 11:36
I would be glad to over tip.

Kwan, por Kwan, if I was able to get that oldie I am sure I would have over tipped!!!

You pay for what you get and since so be happy with the lack of. If they were like the quality of Sky, I would over tip daily.

$$ for for less of a service then you would pay .5 in other local. Venture out an you will see!

Yes, some people just do not get it. Have a great weekend!



Some here ont only "just don't get it" they never will! Same goes with the Closeings.

Sleazebum
05-01-10, 12:53
FOR ALL OF US!

Let's drop all the crap about tips and pricing and such! All it does is piss people off and does NOT offer any useful leads to the BBBJTCNQNS we all want!

Give it a rest!

:)

JJ




I would be glad to over tip.

Kwan, por Kwan, if I was able to get that oldie I am sure I would have over tipped!!!

You pay for what you get and since so be happy with the lack of. If they were like the quality of Sky, I would over tip daily.

$$ for for less of a service then you would pay .5 in other local. Venture out an you will see!

Yes, some people just do not get it. Have a great weekend!

Cranberries
05-01-10, 13:59
Since this appears personal I responded to you PM. But I will say it is stupid to over pay for lack of service. I tip 20% for good service in a restaurant but if the service is not of quality I will leave about 1%, this makes sense for a restaurant as well as any other service.

So go on over pay for the lack of quality and quality will never come to the area.

PS: you can make you personal attacks to me through PM. This form is for other reasons.

It's not personal, I was just referring to how stupid your logic is that overpaying keeps girls away. However, you seem to have taken it personally judging from your profanity-laced PM.

As for the topic on hand, that is still the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I can't believe you're still insisting that if guys pay too much, the girls stay away. Absolutely stupid. And no, that's not a personal attack, I'm calling your post stupid.

Do you really think some 20 year old spinner is sitting there saying to herself, "Hey my friend's 50 year old mother is giving handjobs and guys are paying her $500! I better stay away from that area!"

Brahmabull
05-01-10, 15:29
I would be glad to over tip.

Kwan, por Kwan, if I was able to get that oldie I am sure I would have over tipped!!!

You pay for what you get and since so be happy with the lack of. If they were like the quality of Sky, I would over tip daily.

$$ for for less of a service then you would pay .5 in other local. Venture out an you will see!

Yes, some people just do not get it. Have a great weekend!


Yes you don't seem to get it. IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Young hot talent are not going to come here 1st. This area already has a market value that you all have set by consistantly tipping the minimum. So when they evaluate areas that they can go they know in Philly they will get X, in NJ they will get Y, in NY they can get Z, in DC they will get xx, etc.

You have to 1st become know as an area of generous hobbiests before the talent will come. Since it seems that most of you are unwilling to put forth the investment you simply will never have the quality tallent you seek.

Now nothing in anyone's post seemed to be a personal attack on you. I am not sure why you are so defensive. Your position on this matter however is indefensible.

Aman Tuleev
05-01-10, 16:23
Grand opening. Leesburg. 2 minutes from outlets, where I delivered my family members for shopping, and ... came to change an oil in a car.

Easy to find place, probably, fresh and new. Big shower area. Rather large rooms. Standard fee. Smell of tabaco smoke is everywhere. Met Judy - 4X(told me that 28), even-cute face, 5'7", large frame, nice C's and square ass. Good TS, mediocre massage, not nice upselling(I gave up on standard price), nice standard finish, and ... when I was ready to leave, she mostly tuck me into the corner of room, leaned to me, hugged me and whisped om ny ear: "Bonus?" ... gave her jackson with laugh.

MMS told me that it is brand new place - about4 days old. I do not beleive that it will stay long, because it is sharing entrance with Family Dentist Center, and Leesburg Dentist Something is next to that door, and Medical Facilities are all around.

Very funny table at shower room. It made from table and PVH tubes from homedepot.

Do not think that will return.

I changed oil after, and wait in starbacks another hour reading book, waiting while my family is shopping. What's a strange day.

Stay safe,
Aman

Shadowtrk
05-01-10, 18:31
Dropped by the ole hole in the wall today and drew Luci which is about a 7. 5 out of 10. Slim build, b-cup, long blondish hair, very sweet attitude. Ts was about a 9. 5 very thorough was squeaky on way back to room. Massage was about a 8. 5 not as hard as I like but better than a lot of others. Standard flip, never a bad visit there.. 8/. 6 and good to go.

Shadow

MassLover
05-01-10, 20:51
I do not beleive that it will stay long, because it is sharing entrance with Family Dentist Center, and Leesburg Dentist Something is next to that door, and Medical Facilities are all around.

AmanI second your opinion. Moreover, Loudoun's Sheriff office is only a few blocks away.

I wasn't happy at their upsell too, but was most surprised at their expanded menu, especially in view of that Green was just hit. These days KMPs in N Va are operating as if they are in DC. Guess it is because the bad economy so they try to increase revenue by offering risky service.

Computer Luvvv
05-01-10, 23:21
Been around longer then that, sorry. And customer service has nothing to do with my post.

You can not dictate terms to a provider on the 1st visit when you have earned no trust. PERIOD. Fact of the hobby.

Also you can just edit your posts, there is no need to make a seperate post to add more. It looks like you are just trying to drive up your post count.Just spoiled dude, just spoiled. Just have never encountered these types of things , hey if they got stiffed by someone,it wasnt me. But, its all good, I have some several old faithfulls who do alot more for those prices,thats all I am saying, just spoiled and also in the old days it wasnt done that way.

Computer Luvvv
05-02-10, 01:14
Yes you don't seem to get it. IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Young hot talent are not going to come here 1st. This area already has a market value that you all have set by consistantly tipping the minimum. So when they evaluate areas that they can go they know in Philly they will get X, in NJ they will get Y, in NY they can get Z, in DC they will get xx, etc.

You have to 1st become know as an area of generous hobbiests before the talent will come. Since it seems that most of you are unwilling to put forth the investment you simply will never have the quality tallent you seek.

Now nothing in anyone's post seemed to be a personal attack on you. I am not sure why you are so defensive. Your position on this matter however is indefensible.I just got back from some Job crap in Frisco(the talent there has allways been well above the DC/Balto talent and that goes way back to 1985), after visiting with relatives, thought I'd try a spot, went in and it was 80 at the door and I tipped the girl 1 bone and she was very sexy,mid 20s,etc and I asked her is this a decent tip(since I know Cali has better talent) and she said "yep", so I beg to differ.

Cranberries
05-02-10, 17:19
I just got back from some Job crap in Frisco(the talent there has allways been well above the DC/Balto talent and that goes way back to 1985), after visiting with relatives, thought I'd try a spot, went in and it was 80 at the door and I tipped the girl 1 bone and she was very sexy,mid 20s,etc and I asked her is this a decent tip(since I know Cali has better talent) and she said "yep", so I beg to differ.

Which spot was this? Most of the places there are $200 upfront.

Brahmabull
05-02-10, 19:45
I just got back from some Job crap in Frisco(the talent there has allways been well above the DC/Balto talent and that goes way back to 1985), after visiting with relatives, thought I'd try a spot, went in and it was 80 at the door and I tipped the girl 1 bone and she was very sexy,mid 20s,etc and I asked her is this a decent tip(since I know Cali has better talent) and she said "yep", so I beg to differ.


Location? Intel on this board and other suggests different pricing.

A John
05-02-10, 21:51
Where??????
Name??????

I don`t think so.........


I just got back from some Job crap in Frisco(the talent there has allways been well above the DC/Balto talent and that goes way back to 1985), after visiting with relatives, thought I'd try a spot, went in and it was 80 at the door and I tipped the girl 1 bone and she was very sexy,mid 20s,etc and I asked her is this a decent tip(since I know Cali has better talent) and she said "yep", so I beg to differ.

Baloo76
05-03-10, 20:16
Went by to see Angie at Orient today. The place was hoping. Angie and Tina were both working as well as Rubie and a new girl. I wanted and was taken care of very nicely as usual. Angie treats everyone like an old friend once she gets to know you. It is a nice relaxing place.

Fatpig
05-04-10, 07:41
Kay from Cosmo is now Blue at Pine Tree.

Nuff said. If you know, then you know.

Justforme
05-04-10, 18:53
This is why every session is like playing Let's Make a Deal. I am sure some are paying the extorsion.

Find me the quality and I will pay for it. Since you are willing to overpay for what you get, this area will always get the lesser of quality.

It is simple supplyy and demand and since the supply is the only one doing the demanding you are getting what they send not the best of the bunch.

Ypu are still under the principle that the newer girls have a choice where they go....


Yes you don't seem to get it. IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Young hot talent are not going to come here 1st. This area already has a market value that you all have set by consistantly tipping the minimum. So when they evaluate areas that they can go they know in Philly they will get X, in NJ they will get Y, in NY they can get Z, in DC they will get xx, etc.

You have to 1st become know as an area of generous hobbiests before the talent will come. Since it seems that most of you are unwilling to put forth the investment you simply will never have the quality tallent you seek.

Now nothing in anyone's post seemed to be a personal attack on you. I am not sure why you are so defensive. Your position on this matter however is indefensible.

Cranberries
05-04-10, 19:22
This is why every session is like playing Let's Make a Deal. I am sure some are paying the extorsion.

Find me the quality and I will pay for it. Since you are willing to overpay for what you get, this area will always get the lesser of quality.

It is simple supplyy and demand and since the supply is the only one doing the demanding you are getting what they send not the best of the bunch.

Ypu are still under the principle that the newer girls have a choice where they go....

Yeah, because these girls are really sex slaves right?

You're so clueless it's not even funny anymore. The girls come when there's money. They go when there is no money. It's as simple as that.

What logical reason is there for a place NOT to use younger girls? Do they think their business is going to drop?

You seem to have the misguided misconception that these old girls in NOVA are raking in the dough when it's the exact OPPOSITE. They AREN'T making money, which is why young talent isn't coming in, and when they DO come in, here it is straight from your own posts:

"Saw Bobby,

Nice shape tight and tone with enhanced headlights. She did everything just nice and offered all the right deal. Asked $.4 for the deal only had $.2, she took the offer. As I was ready to hit the road she said next time $$.

Good but no repete because of the last comment on her part."

"She was nice

And a lot better than what I see on the escort pages. I can tell you I will not return. The $$ is about .4 more than I would have had if I went to one of the local apts.

I will not pay her extortion"

Your stupid stingy ass isn't willing to repeat with a girl you consider better than the more expensive escorts because... YOU'RE A CHEAPSKATE OVER TWENTY DOLLARS.

Anyway it doesn't really matter what you say or think, because I saw a young spinner in AC who I had formerly seen in DC. From her own mouth, she said that she was at 1333 for just five days and was planning to leave because she wasn't making enough money and the customers never tipped DESPITE being the youngest and prettiest girl there and providing better service than everyone except Nana.

She then said the place got busted the day before her flight and she had to spend a day doing community service, picking up trash in downtown DC.

I asked her if she was ever coming back to DC, and she said NO.

I asked, was it because of the police?

And she said NO, she said the customers were weird and stingy. And she's pretty much talking about people like YOU.