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Metro77
08-24-10, 13:58
There is know way the are going to send in the swat team to arrest some girls giving it up. That is a total bs story. What are they expecting the girls to be armed and dangerous that they need to assemble the body armor and shields to rush in. They don't even do that when they bust a crack house.

Metro77
08-24-10, 14:01
Jello,

First you say it was a routine inspection which would not be preformed by swat then later you say the came busting in. So which was it.

Jasmine Smith
08-24-10, 14:33
When LE busted in, the provider told him that he cannot be serviced. My friend was already hearing the noise outside, he asked her how much he owed her. She told him, "Don't worry about money, just leave. " He has already got the TS and a partial massage. He walked out of the room, one of those LE took a bad look at him, but didn't ask any question. He was going to wait outside and see, but he was too nervous, and he left the area. He is not a local. He took the long drive from Atlanta.I'm just curious which day did this incident occur?

Last time they got busted was when it was still QT Spa . I was very lucky because I had closed my Spa so I could take a break and the girl who worked for me went home to visit her sister but I remember that Super Sauna had gotten a citation and then QT got raided. I remember watching it on the news and thinking thank god I closed mine before they could raid it. I remember watching it on Thursday 6:00 o'clock news.

Jasmine Smith
08-24-10, 14:42
Well I hope everything stays the same there, because I've gotten really good massages the last two times I've been in there. In fact, I'd put the massage Kay gave me on par with a massage I've gotten from a licensed massage therapist...wonder if she was one of the ones without a permit.Every Spa has someone that they pay to use their massage license but the people who actually work there does not.I had at one point let a Spa use my CMT License but they got into trouble and I also got arrested for letting a house of prostitution use my license. So now I don't do that anymore.

Hobby Eric
08-24-10, 16:28
Robbie did pack it in, I hope the best for her, but probably couldn't justify staying there earning what she was. Doris is dealing with some very serious issues health wise. Robbie's replacement is a very large gal named Pam. She's returned after a long hiatus, and this puts two Pam(s) there to carry the load. For me the AMPs are too hot and the dull thrills at HT, have me looking to move. The sad thing is Doris is the most connected, but has too many issues. There is a slight chance of another non AMP gig, in a near by (well kept city). If someone here wants to call them and confirm they have an a licensed massage therapist, I'll give you the digits. The mining process is all yours, but it's produced gold dating back several years. Put it this way, high quality ore and better than any the 3 Sisters Mine ever produced. Same tools apply.

I remember the "other Pam" from several years back. If memory serves, she was not open to providing any extras. Nor, quite frankly, would I necessarily have wanted any from her.

Jasmine Smith
08-24-10, 21:47
There is know way the are going to send in the swat team to arrest some girls giving it up. That is a total bs story. What are they expecting the girls to be armed and dangerous that they need to assemble the body armor and shields to rush in. They don't even do that when they bust a crack house.I don't think it was SWAT but it was more likely Vice and narcotics unit that wear ski masks to protect their identities so the people they are arresting can not remember them in the future when they do these undercover stings. I know they have done it in Atlanta because I saw it with my own eyes and my fellow spa girls have told me their experiences.

Jello123
08-25-10, 10:04
I'm just curious which day did this incident occur?

Last time they got busted was when it was still QT Spa . I was very lucky because I had closed my Spa so I could take a break and the girl who worked for me went home to visit her sister but I remember that Super Sauna had gotten a citation and then QT got raided. I remember watching it on the news and thinking thank god I closed mine before they could raid it. I remember watching it on Thursday 6:00 o'clock news.It happened on 08-17-2010, I didn't ask him the exact time, morning or around noon.

Jello123
08-25-10, 10:19
Jello,

First you say it was a routine inspection which would not be preformed by swat then later you say the came busting in. So which was it.The provider told my friend that LE came for a routine inspection to check permit and he cannot be serviced. He didn't see anybody getting arrested while coming out. He came out and left the scene quick, he has seen police cars and vans outside.

There is another post which mentioned that swat came out of a van wearing ski mask and hand gun drawn. I was only trying to connect the facts. My friend has seen the van, but he didn't notice any swat. Only LE and Y know exactly what happened.

Jasmine Smith
08-26-10, 18:42
I was over at the O'C harlies eating a steak with my dad and we overheard some of the employees talking about yoshikos Bust. They said that it was the swat team in all their gear bursting thru to the spas and they watched the spa workers coming out in handcuffs and being arrested.

Jello123
08-26-10, 19:18
I was over at the O'C harlies eating a steak with my dad and we overheard some of the employees talking about yoshikos Bust. They said that it was the swat team in all their gear bursting thru to the spas and they watched the spa workers coming out in handcuffs and being arrested.Ok-- Great-now it's all clear. I was just wondering when spa workers get arrested, can they get bailed out on the same day, do they have to take the mugshots, do they have to go back to their home country etc. etc. Sometime I feel really sorry for them.

Bama79
08-26-10, 20:37
I was over at the O'C harlies eating a steak with my dad and we overheard some of the employees talking about yoshikos Bust. They said that it was the swat team in all their gear bursting thru to the spas and they watched the spa workers coming out in handcuffs and being arrested.And I was hoping they would be back open soon.

Sounds like they had a bad day!

Jasmine Smith
08-27-10, 00:59
Ok-- Great-now it's all clear. I was just wondering when spa workers get arrested, can they get bailed out on the same day, do they have to take the mugshots, do they have to go back to their home country etc. etc. Sometime I feel really sorry for them.If the girls had a greencard then they can get bailed out.If they are illegal aliens then ICE officers will detain them, then they will determine if Human Trafficking was involved and it turns into a ugly mess for the spa owners and the taxi drivers that found the jobs for these girls. If they determine that human trafficking was the case then the Feds will be involved and more then likely the place will be shut down for good. The spa owners could face serious jail time. The girls will either make a deal in hopes of getting their greencard or they will clam up and then be sent back to their country

Sly Horse
08-27-10, 07:12
This is terrible news about Yoshikos.

Why can't the cops concentrate on busting real criminals.

Metro77
08-27-10, 10:08
I just find it odd that if that really happened at the y as its being reported then why are all of the other spas still open, are thety not risking the same fate. They all talk to each other the Emos (mamasas no when it is hot) why would they be open. I just don't belive these stories, kind of like a urban legend that keeps growing. Where are there pics in the county jail or booking reports I mean its not like we book 5-6 asian women every day in Bham.

Cobalt14
08-27-10, 11:42
Sad to hear about troubles at the Y. Traveled to B'ham about two weeks ago and had a really good first visit there. The overall attitude of the staff was fantastic. Sunshine was cute as a button.

The experience completely recalibrated my expectations for service.

Jasmine Smith
08-27-10, 15:57
I just find it odd that if that really happened at the y as its being reported then why are all of the other spas still open, are thety not risking the same fate. They all talk to each other the Emos (mamasas no when it is hot) why would they be open. I just don't belive these stories, kind of like a urban legend that keeps growing. Where are there pics in the county jail or booking reports I mean its not like we book 5-6 asian women every day in Bham.


Hey if you don't belive me go talk to the waitress at the O'Charlies thats right next to Yoshiko they saw it all happen I've driven past super sauna but it looked deserted to me. The other spas don't really talk with Bali Spa but they talk with super sauna and vip.
Remember last year when LE was making all the arrests off of craigslist in Birmingham the news didn't cover it until all the arrests was made. And it was something like 32 or 31 arrests. The FbI spokemen even gave a interview about. Just like the same thing happened in Philadelphia and new york thru to D.C. When they arrested alot of illegal taxi drivers and spa owners for trafficking girls.

Jello123
08-27-10, 19:15
Yoshiko has 36 revealing reviews by its customers, more than any spa at the state of Alabama. LE doesn't need to do any detective work, they can only do a simple Google search on the web, and they can get all the evidence and information to bust a massage parlor. Most of the time it is us who are posting all these graphic details about our experience that is making the LE job easier.

http://www.********.com/s1-Alabama-erotic-massage-parlors-reviews-page-1.htm

Sly Horse
08-27-10, 20:32
I drove by Yoshiko's today at 5:30PM and they were closed.

Hbergeron
08-28-10, 07:16
Dang! I really hate to hear about Yoshiko. I recently left the B'ham area, but visited Yoshiko the last time I was over there. Had a great time as usual. I just wish there was a reliable place like Yoshiko where I'm at now.

But give them a few months and they will probably be open again. I just hope Ruby and the other Mamasan will still be in charge of the place and it will still be a great place to visit.

Ginal
08-28-10, 09:13
Too many details is not good for anyone. Minimum information on a public forum should be just common sense. There are back channel avenues to share more detailed information if you feel comfortable sharing.

Play safe and keep your lady friends safe.

Mtl Pig
08-29-10, 00:08
Guys. Posting about how good a place is. Is ok. Just minimize certain info.

Remember places like the Y are easily found. Even one of the websites that advertises on this forum, had a picture of the outside of the Y and reviews, read for a fee, describing everything in detail.

So LEO knows its there. They know what goes on there. They knew this without this forum's additional information. They are limited by the law as to what they can do to close places like the Y in B'ham.

Be thankful about that last sentence. In Nashville, they were allowed to go much further, killing off 30-40 parlors in less than a few months. Killed a few "legit" ones in the process. And took a few strip clubs too. Now we have. Well, not much.

Little prostitution left, but hey, if you shoot someone, you have a very high percentage chance of getting away with it. Same with beating your wife, stealing cars, selling drugs, terrorizing your neighbors, etc. At least Metro Nashville Cops can claim to be "tough on crime" for busting women who sell sex. (Rant Off)

Jello123
08-29-10, 08:03
This news was published right after the Yoshiko bust. Check it out.

http://www.allvoices.com/s/event-3947065/aHR0cDovL2Jsb2cuYWwuY29tL3Nwb3RuZXdzLzIwMDkvMDgvYmlybWluZ2hhbV9wb2xpY2VfYXJyZXN0XzM2X2luLmh0bWw=

Seller545
08-29-10, 18:32
Will be visiting bham this week. With the recent "bust" at the "y" does anyone have any suggestions on the next best place?

Thanks for any ifno

Bama79
08-29-10, 19:59
This news was published right after the Yoshiko bust. Check it out.

http://www.allvoices.com/s/event-3947065/aHR0cDovL2Jsb2cuYWwuY29tL3Nwb3RuZXdzLzIwMDkvMDgvYmlybWluZ2hhbV9wb2xpY2VfYXJyZXN0XzM2X2luLmh0bWw=I may be reading it wrong but I see a different publish date.

Published: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:23 PM

Updated: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:43 PM

Edward Nigma
08-29-10, 23:39
It is a shame. I'm a long-time patron and never received anything but top quality service.

Mtl Pig
08-30-10, 00:23
Jello123,

Are you talking about a bust last year?

The article you posted is dated Wednesday, August 19, 2009.

Please clarify.

Thanks

Rj2008
08-30-10, 00:23
That is from a year ago....

August 19, 2009


This news was published right after the Yoshiko bust. Check it out.

http://www.allvoices.com/s/event-3947065/aHR0cDovL2Jsb2cuYWwuY29tL3Nwb3RuZXdzLzIwMDkvMDgvYmlybWluZ2hhbV9wb2xpY2VfYXJyZXN0XzM2X2luLmh0bWw=

Jello123
08-30-10, 08:19
That is from a year ago.

August 19, 2009Sorry Guys! I meant to post this one:

http://www.foxalabamanews.com/2010/08/nearly-dozen-arrested-in-prostitution.html

They are not mentioning any AMPS, because they might be investigating other AMPS too.

Lonely Guy
08-30-10, 10:54
I hate that the (y) has been closed. It is a shame that in the 21 centry that gov has nothing better to do than to try an regulate what a grown man dose with his penis.

If anyone hears of the (y) opening up in a different place or under a different name please e-mail me.

L. G.

Jello123
08-30-10, 14:12
I hate that the (y) has been closed. It is a shame that in the 21 centry that gov has nothing better to do than to try an regulate what a grown man dose with his penis.

If anyone hears of the (y) opening up in a different place or under a different name please e-mail me.

L. G.Give them a few weeks, they will open at the same place with a different name, different management and a different set of providers. It's not the first time Y got busted. Just wait and see. Only AMPS who get closed down for ever are whoever get convicted for some major crimes like human trafficking or child abuse. I don't think that's the case for Y. I thing Y got busted for soliciting sex which is not a felony. They will hire a good lawyer and come back soon.

Rj2008
09-01-10, 02:57
08-29-10 at 23:23

Mtl Pig & me both just happened to post at the exact same time on the exact same date about the exact same issue.

How wierd is that ?

Sometimes, really random things can happen I guess.

Either that or we were both cops in a previous life !

LOL

Sgt Soros
09-01-10, 10:45
Give them a few weeks, they will open at the same place with a different name, different management and a different set of providers. It's not the first time Y got busted. Just wait and see. Only AMPS who get closed down for ever are whoever get convicted for some major crimes like human trafficking or child abuse. I don't think that's the case for Y. I thing Y got busted for soliciting sex which is not a felony. They will hire a good lawyer and come back soon.

Just noticed that a Yoshiko spa has opened in Atlanta. Coincidence maybe, maybe NOT.

http://atlanta.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-opening-yoshiko-spa/6110779

Dcguy477
09-01-10, 15:12
I will be coming to Birmingham this week and wanted to see if there were any good independent FBSM providers (indy's preferrably)?

Thanks!

Jello123
09-01-10, 15:33
Just noticed that a Yoshiko spa has opened in Atlanta. Coincidence maybe, maybe NOT.

http://atlanta.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-opening-yoshiko-spa/6110779I don't think they are related. Yoshiko is not a brand name.

Hbergeron
09-03-10, 04:54
If you do a search on Yoshiko Spa you will find hits for Yoshiko spa in Birmingham, Tampa, and seems like I saw a few other locations.

I was also looking at the advertisements on another site and noticed that both Bali and Super Sauna are boasting about having new management and staff. Anyone have in info, or could they be sending in the second or third strings in anticipation for more politically motivated do-nut eater tricks.

Edward Nigma
09-03-10, 22:04
Anybody else ever given a business card at the Y? It has a direct number on there for whatever LLC they are operating under.

Yakuzi
09-03-10, 23:30
Anybody else ever given a business card at the Y? It has a direct number on there for whatever LLC they are operating under.Yea, her hot ass gave me one a few time b4 my last time. I don't hit it anymore but I sure do hate they got the Y. It was the cream. Y couldn't they get the trash over at B.

Mtl Pig
09-04-10, 00:14
08-29-10 at 23:23

Mtl Pig & me both just happened to post at the exact same time on the exact same date about the exact same issue.

How wierd is that ?

Sometimes, really random things can happen I guess.

Either that or we were both cops in a previous life !

LOLLord, I hope we wernt cops.

Couldn't get laid that way.

Lightingtree7
09-05-10, 15:35
I've seen an AMP advertised in the phone book in Vestavia. The ad said, "Incalls & Outcalls" available; the name's Houliang Asian Massage. Does anyone have experience with this one?

Hbergeron
09-06-10, 16:34
I was in B'ham over the weekend and drove around. Decided to stop by SS and see if their boast of new management and staff bogus or not.

Well from the looks of what I saw it was bogus. The Mamasan that greeted me was the same Mamasan that was at the Fuji years ago. As far as the ladies, they were older (i.e. older than 18 to 22 years) which is not a problem for me... unless they get too old (i.e. in their 60's or 70's). I know a lot of guys want the youngest gals, but I appreciate the variety.

I was attended to by Dione. She wasn't the best looking lady there but she definitely made up for it with her effort and pleasing ways.

I did drive by the Yoshiko and the signs were all dark and I think I noticed a different sign in one of the windows by the door closest to Centerpoint Parkway. From the Parkway it looked like it could possibly be a "For Rent" sign. Has anyone drove by through the parking lot and got a closer look at the sign?

As far as the Vestavia massage place, I think that is a legit massage therapy place.

Medical Mal
09-06-10, 16:55
I've seen an AMP advertised in the phone book in Vestavia. The ad said, "Incalls & Outcalls" available; the name's Houliang Asian Massage. Does anyone have experience with this one?
Legit. But very good massage.

Medical Mal
09-06-10, 17:00
I was in B'ham over the weekend and drove around. Decided to stop by SS and see if their boast of new management and staff bogus or not.

Well from the looks of what I saw it was bogus. The Mamasan that greeted me was the same Mamasan that was at the Fuji years ago. As far as the ladies, they were older (i.e. older than 18 to 22 years) which is not a problem for me... unless they get too old (i.e. in their 60's or 70's). I know a lot of guys want the youngest gals, but I appreciate the variety.

I was attended to by Dione. She wasn't the best looking lady there but she definitely made up for it with her effort and pleasing ways.

I did drive by the Yoshiko and the signs were all dark and I think I noticed a different sign in one of the windows by the door closest to Centerpoint Parkway. From the Parkway it looked like it could possibly be a "For Rent" sign. Has anyone drove by through the parking lot and got a closer look at the sign?

As far as the Vestavia massage place, I think that is a legit massage therapy place.

When I drove by there about a week ago the sign that I saw posted on the window was no trespassing. From what I have heard from second hand sources was that some of the girls at Yoshiko were not lprs and some had overstayed their visa. So most likely they are in ICE detention or awaiting removal unless they are prepared to testify against the mechanics of the system which is likely. What ever state charges there may be are probably the least of their concern. I would wager that the landlord has cancelled the lease of the Y. I still think it is strange that I have not heard/seen any news on what happened; but if there is an ongoing federal investigation I would expect nothing less.

Medical Mal
09-06-10, 17:03
Give them a few weeks, they will open at the same place with a different name, different management and a different set of providers. It's not the first time Y got busted. Just wait and see. Only AMPS who get closed down for ever are whoever get convicted for some major crimes like human trafficking or child abuse. I don't think that's the case for Y. I thing Y got busted for soliciting sex which is not a felony. They will hire a good lawyer and come back soon.
I hope they do not have the misfortune of hiring the lawyer that QT Spa did. That &*%^&(* did not even show up in court and did not even tell them about future court dates so ftas were issued. The next one could not keep the Staties from revoking QT massage license; albeit that would have been a tough task.

MM

Your Man 69
09-07-10, 11:13
Did anyone see the pictures of three oriental girls in the newsletter of Busted/Jail pictures. These oriental girls were pictured right next to each other in the most recent newsletter. Just wondering if these three girls were the one that worked at the Y? Noticed that they were in the Shelby County area.

Bhm Guy
09-07-10, 13:24
Strict draped massage - no extras available. Quality: OK but not worth repeating. As always, YMMV.

Your Man 69
09-07-10, 19:16
Did anyone see the pictures of three oriental girls in the newsletter of Busted/Jail pictures. These oriental girls were pictured right next to each other in the most recent newsletter. Just wondering if these three girls were the one that worked at the Y? Noticed that they were in the Shelby County area.This was the newsletter that you can purchase in the convience stores that they sell for a buck. Also has other arrests in it for the Jefferson County and surronding areas.

First Time2012
09-11-10, 14:25
Hey guys,

Had a friend tell me about Y so I went there last night and it was closed ( wish I would have found this forum first would have saved me a trip).Anyways My friend and I ended up going to Bali Spa but all we got was a back rub?! It was my first time so I didnt know if I would have asked or if it would be offered. Guess what I'm saying is there some special word or something like that lol to get a list of other services they provide,or do you know of any other mp that have what I'm looking for.

Thanks in advance for the help!

Nikolay G
09-12-10, 00:36
Had a pretty good time at VIP better then last time I visited Bali.

Zac Hardin
09-12-10, 11:50
The word is "oink" so they know who you are.


Hey guys,

Had a friend tell me about Y so I went there last night and it was closed ( wish I would have found this forum first would have saved me a trip).Anyways My friend and I ended up going to Bali Spa but all we got was a back rub?! It was my first time so I didnt know if I would have asked or if it would be offered. Guess what I'm saying is there some special word or something like that lol to get a list of other services they provide,or do you know of any other mp that have what I'm looking for.

Thanks in advance for the help!

Lightingtree7
09-12-10, 13:17
Hey guys,

Had a friend tell me about Y so I went there last night and it was closed ( wish I would have found this forum first would have saved me a trip).Anyways My friend and I ended up going to Bali Spa but all we got was a back rub?! It was my first time so I didnt know if I would have asked or if it would be offered. Guess what I'm saying is there some special word or something like that lol to get a list of other services they provide,or do you know of any other mp that have what I'm looking for.

Thanks in advance for the help!Hello First Time,

Yes, usually there is something you have to do in order to initiate the action. Go back to the place and when you're having the back rub, touch her leg.

The first thing you'll notice is that she won't mind, next just go a little bit further . . . If she feels comfortable with you, she'll negotiate a price for the "special" or full-service treatment.

First Time2012
09-12-10, 17:23
Hello First Time,

Yes, usually there is something you have to do in order to initiate the action. Go back to the place and when you're having the back rub, touch her leg.

The first thing you'll notice is that she won't mind, next just go a little bit further . . . If she feels comfortable with you, she'll negotiate a price for the "special" or full-service treatment.Thanks Lightingtree guess I was to nervous the first time will try again.

P5040
09-20-10, 07:57
Good day Birmingham mongers. Visiting monger here from points south, visiting your fair city for the next 3 months.

I should have RTFF better before heading out ---- went to the Y only to see that it was closed. Brief panic, but then remembered that Bali was just up the street.

YMMV, but my experience was very good. 4.5 stars. There was only one young lady working, but did a great job.

.6 at the door was a pleasant surprise.

TS - talk about attention to detail! I've never been so clean.
Massage - very good, real massage.
Extras - plenty. reasonable.

Overall it was just a great time - non rushed, attractive attendant, eager to please. Highly recommended.

Any other good alternatives to the Y?

Superfast
09-20-10, 18:02
Needed to change my username. I've been here for a little while.

Hadn't ventured outside of Y, but the recent closing obviously forced that. Went to VIP. Had an amazing time with Monica. Can't say enough about how intent she was in ensuring that I be relaxed and had a pleasant time.

Table shower was great. It always seemed rushed at Y. Massage was skipped, leaving more time for extras. She seemed like she genuinely enjoyed herself, as well. Somewhat more expensive than I'm used to, but I ended up feeling I got the better end of the deal.

Alamassage1
09-26-10, 13:06
Asian Relaxing Massage

Serving Greater Birmingham area for Traveler and Local residents

Please call 205-413-7711.

To enjoining Asian hand, feel good relaxing massage.

We can go to see you and you can come to us.

Open 7 days a week and we work with your time.

This is the ad and I only get voicemail when I try to call.I did get an email response that said $65/hr in Vestavia,but that's all I know.I'd appreciate any intel.

Lightingtree7
09-29-10, 11:37
Asian Relaxing Massage

Serving Greater Birmingham area for Traveler and Local residents

Please call 205-413-7711.

To enjoining Asian hand, feel good relaxing massage.

We can go to see you and you can come to us.

Open 7 days a week and we work with your time.

This is the ad and I only get voicemail when I try to call.I did get an email response that said $65/hr in Vestavia,but that's all I know.I'd appreciate any intel.This one is new to me. Where did you hear about it?

Superfast
09-29-10, 18:03
This one is new to me. Where did you hear about it?

I googled the number and found it here:
http://alabama.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/asian-relaxing-massage/3737205

No other references.

Alamassage1
09-29-10, 18:58
This one is new to me. Where did you hear about it?BP and craigslist.

Rj2008
09-29-10, 19:55
Birmingham massage parlor owner, employee indicted on human trafficking, prostitution charges


An owner and employee of an east Birmingham massage parlor were indicted Wednesday on charges of trafficking women to work as prostitutes, according to a press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office.

A federal grand jury indicted Yoshiko LLC; Seung Hee Lee, 38, owners of the Parkway East business; and employee Oi Sun Ensley, 42, on charges of enticing an individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution; harboring an illegal alien for private financial gain; and failing to file a factual statement about an alien.

The defendants are accused of using three women, all illegal immigrants, as prostitutes at the business.

"Human trafficking for the purposes of prostitution is a deplorable crime that amounts to modern day slavery," U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance said in a statement.

Hbergeron
09-29-10, 20:12
Well I guess that's the end of Yoshiko, Ruby, and the three girls.

I was there the weekend before the bust. Q was there, I can't remember the name of other girl I saw.

Heck.

And what is it with JeffCo Sheriff not posting mug shots on the inmate listing?! Looks like Lee and Ensley are in there on $1,000,000 and $999,999 bail.


Birmingham massage parlor owner, employee indicted on human trafficking, prostitution charges


An owner and employee of an east Birmingham massage parlor were indicted Wednesday on charges of trafficking women to work as prostitutes, according to a press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office.

A federal grand jury indicted Yoshiko LLC; Seung Hee Lee, 38, owners of the Parkway East business; and employee Oi Sun Ensley, 42, on charges of enticing an individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution; harboring an illegal alien for private financial gain; and failing to file a factual statement about an alien.

The defendants are accused of using three women, all illegal immigrants, as prostitutes at the business.

"Human trafficking for the purposes of prostitution is a deplorable crime that amounts to modern day slavery," U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance said in a statement.

Make It Good
09-29-10, 20:35
A federal grand jury indicted.

That explains it. Feds got involved.

Yakuzi
09-29-10, 21:31
We sure did lose a good one. Now I wonder what exactly made them target Y instead of others? Someone tip em off? IMHO, I wouldn't be surprised if it were B, I think the worst of them.


Birmingham massage parlor owner, employee indicted on human trafficking, prostitution charges


An owner and employee of an east Birmingham massage parlor were indicted Wednesday on charges of trafficking women to work as prostitutes, according to a press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office.

A federal grand jury indicted Yoshiko LLC; Seung Hee Lee, 38, owners of the Parkway East business; and employee Oi Sun Ensley, 42, on charges of enticing an individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution; harboring an illegal alien for private financial gain; and failing to file a factual statement about an alien.

The defendants are accused of using three women, all illegal immigrants, as prostitutes at the business.

"Human trafficking for the purposes of prostitution is a deplorable crime that amounts to modern day slavery," U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance said in a statement.

Hbergeron
09-30-10, 05:08
We sure did lose a good one. Now I wonder what exactly made them target Y instead of others? Someone tip em off? IMHO, I wouldn't be surprised if it were B, I think the worst of them.

I figure their popularity had something to do with it. It had got to the point they were busy even at 9:30 on Sunday morning. And the steady stream of men in and out of there probably caught the attention and ire of the nosey women in the beauty salon above the Y.

Jasmine Smith
09-30-10, 08:32
I figure their popularity had something to do with it. It had got to the point they were busy even at 9:30 on Sunday morning. And the steady stream of men in and out of there probably caught the attention and ire of the nosey women in the beauty salon above the Y.

I would have have to agree with what you said. I feel bad for the owner to be charged with all that and it seems to me that the girls who were working there made some sort of deal . I know as a ex spa owner that nobody forces these girls to stay and work they do it for the money.

Hbergeron
09-30-10, 08:39
Jasmine I am glad to have your perspective on this subject. I have enjoyed visiting these places and I really liked Ruby and everyone who was there.

Some girls I talked to were building up cash for school, to support their family, start a business, or something. They usually had a goal of some sort and that was a way to make it happen.




I would have have to agree with what you said. I feel bad for the owner to be charged with all that and it seems to me that the girls who were working there made some sort of deal . I know as a ex spa owner that nobody forces these girls to stay and work they do it for the money.

Jasmine Smith
09-30-10, 09:06
Jasmine I am glad to have your perspective on this subject. I have enjoyed visiting these places and I really liked Ruby and everyone who was there.

Some girls I talked to were building up cash for school, to support their family, start a business, or something. They usually had a goal of some sort and that was a way to make it happen.

Yes it starts out that way with a goal in mind but Korean girls love to spend money on the most expensive name brand items.

Superfast
09-30-10, 23:17
http://www2.nbc13.com/news/2010/sep/30/birmingham-massage-parlor-indicted-prostitution-ca-ar-899197/

Birmingham – A federal grand jury today indicted an eastern Birmingham massage parlor, its owner and an employee on charges related to the human trafficking of women working there as prostitutes, announced USA Attorney Joyce White Vance in conjunction with the FBI, USA Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Birmingham Police Department.

The indictment filed in USA District Court charges [Name(s) deleted by Admin], owner of the Parkway East business; and [Name(s) deleted by Admin], an employee, with three counts of enticing an individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution; three counts of harboring an illegal alien for private financial gain; and three counts of failing to file a factual statement about an alien.

According to the Indictment, between Aug. 17, 2008, and Aug. 17, 2010, [Name(s) deleted by Admin] and [Name(s) deleted by Admin] persuaded, induced, enticed and coerced three adult women to travel in interstate and foreign commerce to engage in prostitution. In addition, the defendants harbored the three adult women, who were illegal aliens, in a place of prostitution and for private financial gain.

"Human trafficking for the purposes of prostitution is a deplorable crime that amounts to modern day slavery, " Vance said. "Those who prey on individuals in desperate financial or life circumstances for personal profit must be prosecuted. "

The case was investigated by the Birmingham Police Department, USA Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the FBI.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to remove the names of persons who were arrested from the report.

I want to say this carefully so no one gets the wrong idea here, but if you think about it, posting the names of people who have been arrested is somewhat heartless and really just helping the police in their efforts to embarrass these people.

Since this website is all about assisting people in obtaining commercial sex services, we don't want to add to the problems of the unfortunate people who have been arrested by publishing their names and/or photographs.

Thanks!

Superfast
09-30-10, 23:26
It looks like this was facilitated by a Alabama law that went into effect July 1. Things may be permanently changing around here.

http://www.jackwilliams.org/williams-human-trafficking-bill-signed-into-law/

Human trafficking occurs when people are forced into involuntary servitude through violence or threats, often as prostitutes or laborers. Alabama has seen several high-profile cases of human trafficking in recent years. Now, with a state law making human trafficking a felony, state and local law enforcement officers — and not just the FBI — are able to investigate the crime in the state.

The new law brings Alabama in line with 44 other states that criminalize human trafficking. It goes into effect on July 1.

"This is the most comprehensive law against human trafficking in the entire nation. We went from having no law to having one that is considered a model for the rest of the nation," said Representative Jack Williams, a sponsor of the bill in the Legislature.

Edward Nigma
10-01-10, 00:01
I have never been to any of the others, and I get mixed reviews. My estimation is that the gap between the Y and the rest was vast, so there may be no replicating the experience.

That being said - if you had to go today to pick one, which would it be?

The VIP/Bali post ads regularly on BP, and other places. SS I hear absolutely nothing about as of late. The only recent reviews seem to be by newbies/pigs.

"Privacy" isn't a huge concern in terms of outside the place. Ideally I'm wanting younger women (18-25) with the full table shower, massage, etc. along with alone time with no rushing.

Any thoughts?

Jasmine Smith
10-01-10, 00:12
I have never been to any of the others, and I get mixed reviews. My estimation is that the gap between the Y and the rest was vast, so there may be no replicating the experience.

That being said - if you had to go today to pick one, which would it be?

The VIP/Bali post ads regularly on BP, and other places. SS I hear absolutely nothing about as of late. The only recent reviews seem to be by newbies/pigs.

"Privacy" isn't a huge concern in terms of outside the place. Ideally I'm wanting younger women (18-25) with the full table shower, massage, etc. along with alone time with no rushing.

Any thoughts?
If your looking for that age it will be difficult to find now days. The young ones generally have no green card and a fake I.D. Most of the Spas hire the older ones because they are here legally and they don't get into as much trouble as the ones who hire the young illegal girls. Thats why there was a vast gap in youth and beauty between Yoshiko and the other spas.

Hbergeron
10-01-10, 05:13
The young ones generally have no green card and a fake I.D. Most of the Spas hire the older ones because they are here legally and they don't get into as much trouble as the ones who hire the young illegal girls.

I'm very pleased we didn't see the word "under-aged" in those articles. I think too much is made of age. Sure it's nice to get attention from a young hot hard-bodied girl, but some of the best times I've had have been with older girls.

Human Trafficking is the hot juicy sexy news story of the day. This one involves that plus prostitution and illegal immigration. B'ham Chief of Donut Eaters and the Sheriff's Department of Donut Eaters hit a trifecta with this one. Roper and Hale are probably jizzing all over themselves over this case. Meanwhile murderers, rapists, dope dealers, and thieves roam the streets.

Justme205
10-01-10, 07:44
http://www.justice.gov/usao/aln/Docs/September%202010/SEPT%2029,%202010%20MASSAGE%20SPA.htm


MASSAGE SPA AND OPERATORS INDICTED FOR PROSTITUTION

BIRMINGHAM – A federal grand jury today indicted an eastern Birmingham massage parlor, its owner and an employee on charges related to the human trafficking of women working there as prostitutes, announced U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance in conjunction with the FBI, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Birmingham Police Department.

The indictment filed in U.S. District Court charges [Name(s) deleted by Admin], owner of the Parkway East business; and [Name(s) deleted by Admin], an employee, with three counts of enticing an individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution; three counts of harboring an illegal alien for private financial gain; and three counts of failing to file a factual statement about an alien.

According to the Indictment, between Aug. 17, 2008, and Aug. 17, 2010, [Name(s) deleted by Admin] persuaded, induced, enticed and coerced three adult women to travel in interstate and foreign commerce to engage in prostitution. In addition, the defendants harbored the three adult women, who were illegal aliens, in a place of prostitution and for private financial gain.

“Human trafficking for the purposes of prostitution is a deplorable crime that amounts to modern day slavery,” Vance said. “Those who prey on individuals in desperate financial or life circumstances for personal profit must be prosecuted.”

The case was investigated by the Birmingham Police Department, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the FBI.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel J. Fortune is prosecuting the case.

Members of the public are reminded that an indictment contains only charges. A defendant is presumed innocent of the charges and it will be the government’s burden to prove a defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial.http://www.myfoxal.com/Global/story.asp?S=13247885
U.S. attorney calls spa a place for modern day slavery

By Ashley Nix

BIRMINGHAM, AL (WBRC). "Its maddening to see this happening in your own community and not have the power to do anything about it, " says Richard Rutledge when speaking of Yoshiko Spa in East Birmingham.

The spa was busted by the federal government for allegations of human trafficking and prostitution. The owner and another employee were indicted by a grand jury. Rutledge says it's disturbing. "I can't remember it not being here, under some name. It's been open for well over a decade, and that shouldn't be"

It's not open anymore. The indictment claims 3 women were persuaded, induced, enticed and coerced to travel in foreign commerce and engage in prostitution. "It's nothing more than modern day slavery, " said USA Attorney for the Northern District, Joyce White Vance. "These people are held against their will, forced to perform work that they wouldn't perform in this case it relates to sex. "

Vance says it's hard to believe human trafficking goes on in Birmingham. "People always thought we meant Russian mail-order brides, " said Vance. "The idea that folks exist like that in our neighborhood I think is unthinkable, but we have to confront it, we have to be aware. "

For people like Rutledge, and others who live in the area, it's a relief.

"Whoever is responsible from the federal standpoint I want to say thank you, " said Rutledge. "We've been concerned about this facility for a number of years. "
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to remove the names of persons who were arrested from the report.

I want to say this carefully so no one gets the wrong idea here, but if you think about it, posting the names of people who have been arrested is somewhat heartless and really just helping the police in their efforts to embarrass these people.

Since this website is all about assisting people in obtaining commercial sex services, we don't want to add to the problems of the unfortunate people who have been arrested by publishing their names and/or photographs.

Thanks!

Superfast
10-01-10, 10:11
Just want to say thanks for enforcing some civility. It was my post you censored, but I'm happy for it.

Also: another thanks to Jasmine for all her feedback.


http://www2.nbc13.com/news/2010/sep/30/birmingham-massage-parlor-indicted-prostitution-ca-ar-899197/

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to remove the names of persons who were arrested from the report.

I want to say this carefully so no one gets the wrong idea here, but if you think about it, posting the names of people who have been arrested is somewhat heartless and really just helping the police in their efforts to embarrass these people.

Since this website is all about assisting people in obtaining commercial sex services, we don't want to add to the problems of the unfortunate people who have been arrested by publishing their names and/or photographs.

Thanks!

Onthedl66
10-01-10, 10:33
Roper and Hale are probably jizzing all over themselves over this case. Meanwhile murderers, rapists, dope dealers, and thieves roam the streets.But your children are safe from those Korean devils tempting the flock into sin and damnation!!! Can't we all see why this is more important than catching the men who organize the dispersal of blow and heroin? Those ladies destroy so many more lives.

I know I'm new here, so if the sarcasm isn't dripping then just let me express how positively pissed I am that I missed out on the Y. I was RingTFF and getting all kinds of excited until the last two or three pages. Bummer. It really does sound like the new law had everything to do with it though.

I went by VIP on Monday around 3 and it was closed. I called 3 or 4 times before I left so I should have known better but I wasn't sure they answered their phone. Anyone who knows when they actually open please feel free to enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

Rj2008
10-01-10, 12:51
Just because they label it "human trafficking" does not make it so.

Meanwhile, McNair remains free despite being a proven criminal.

Rj2008
10-01-10, 12:55
Sounds like a salesman to me.

Imprison ALL salesmen !

Dick Bob
10-01-10, 13:16
I was recently on adultsearch looking up MPs and came across this one on there, I have not heard anyone mention this one but i was wondering if anyone has actually tried it out, it says that the staff is not asian too and I would love to hear of a report on this one to see if it TGTBT.

Dick Bob
10-01-10, 13:25
I was on adultsearch and came upon this MP, I havent heard anyone talk about this place, it says that the staff is white not asian, I would love to hear if anyone has ever tried this place as im a little apprehensive about it.

Hobby Eric
10-01-10, 13:41
Dang. Looks like this could be a permanent change. I sure won't be visiting the spas anytime soon.

Combined with the shutdown of the CL adult section (and possibly the Backpage section next, as they're now getting the attention that was focused on CL) this is crummy news.



It looks like this was facilitated by a Alabama law that went into effect July 1. Things may be permanently changing around here.

http://www.jackwilliams.org/williams-human-trafficking-bill-signed-into-law/

Human trafficking occurs when people are forced into involuntary servitude through violence or threats, often as prostitutes or laborers. Alabama has seen several high-profile cases of human trafficking in recent years. Now, with a state law making human trafficking a felony, state and local law enforcement officers — and not just the FBI — are able to investigate the crime in the state.

The new law brings Alabama in line with 44 other states that criminalize human trafficking. It goes into effect on July 1.

"This is the most comprehensive law against human trafficking in the entire nation. We went from having no law to having one that is considered a model for the rest of the nation," said Representative Jack Williams, a sponsor of the bill in the Legislature.

Dick Bob
10-01-10, 16:34
I found this MP on adultsearch.com has anyone ever been there, if so, how was it and is it a good place to go. It says they have a non asian staff.

Roland9575
10-01-10, 17:19
When the feds decided to bust the AMPS in Kansas City, they hit everyone of them on the same day, at the same time. Just wondering why they only targeted one in Birmingham.

I'm new to the area, but how much are they paying the guy to fix the sewer problems? $500 per hr. Now that's a crime!

Nudie Blues
10-01-10, 22:05
When you run the best-of-best off, when the high class providers won't even cross into the state. What's left? The desparate, nothing to lose, kind of quality that harbors the highest concentration of drugs, desease and crime. That's the results of re-election campaigns for one Mr. Hale. Does Riley and Hale stand in the church pulpits and tell the old blue haired ladies that little fact? No. They'll tell'them our new Human Trafficing law goes after Korean men who use a syringe to pump lethal drugs into the arm of some underaged Korean girl.

Not that it's a distribution chain feature like any other expanding business model.

When I heard the details of how the Y was stormed, (the over done theatrics) I said that's just like a small town hype, who's dealing with a budget crunch and in a few months it'll be time for election campaign signs to go up.

I'm just ashamed of our state's small fry mentallity. A city like Amsterdam Holland with efficient and meaningful working programs, that make our leaders in Alabama look like backward ass Taliban.

It's embarrassing. Oh but "We be protecting the flock" uh uh. What be doing is business as usual AND RESULTS that ranks your Alabama children's education, 47th worst out of the 50 states. Year after year till now we speak in terms of decades.

That's your Alabama Governors, Mayors, FBI, Police cheifs and AG(s) at work.

And what have we taxpayers to show for it? One little mamasan with a Human Trafficing plackard hanging around her neck?

Make It Good
10-04-10, 09:15
It looks like this was facilitated by a Alabama law that went into effect July 1.

That would be incorrect. Based on all the articles I've read, most have been reposted on this forum for you to read, this was a federal raid and federal charges. The federal government doesn't enforce or prosecute local laws. There hasn't been a single local charge against the ladies of the Y in any of the materials I've read. And according to the inditement the charges stem from a time period of Aug. 17, 2008, and Aug. 17, 2010, in which the law you stated only existed for 1 month out of a 2-year period. They cannot retroactively bring charges based on a law that just became enforceable.

This also means, sorry to disappoint, that the local District Attorney, Birmingham Chief of Police and the Jefferson County Sheriff didn't have anything to do with the charges. They may have provided man power for the arrest but that would be the limit of their involvement. My guess is they didn't even initiate the investigation. For there to have been a 2-year investigation I bet that they arrested someone else down the food chain somewhere else that lead them to the Y.

So, just to reiterate, it wouldn't have mattered if all of our local officials said don't do this. The Feds did it. It doesn't reflect anything about this state or its officials, it's a reflection of the federal government. That doesn't mean that we don't have some jacked up laws in this state. Heck, I can buy a gun to kill an animal but a woman can't buy a vibrator, legally, to give herself pleasure. I'm just saying don't blame the locals on this one.

Hobby Eric
10-04-10, 12:29
I found this MP on adultsearch.com has anyone ever been there, if so, how was it and is it a good place to go. It says they have a non asian staff.

Was it really necessary to post this three times?

Oink.

Dick Bob
10-04-10, 13:02
Was it really necessary to post this three times?

Oink.I'm not a cop, I'm just new to the forum and didn't know how to post properly cause I didn't see my post when I first sent it in Eric, so I kept sending it, wen I came back to check it, thats when I realized it was posted multiple times.

Trust me I've been doing this longer than you if not longer, there's nothing cop about me. Mongering is my game. I've been to every spot in Birmingham, Yoshiko was the best hands down. I even fucked the madam the last time I was there a few months back!

Medical Mal
10-04-10, 16:27
That would be incorrect. Based on all the articles I've read, most have been reposted on this forum for you to read, this was a federal raid and federal charges. The federal government doesn't enforce or prosecute local laws. There hasn't been a single local charge against the ladies of the Y in any of the materials I've read. And according to the inditement the charges stem from a time period of Aug. 17, 2008, and Aug. 17, 2010, in which the law you stated only existed for 1 month out of a 2-year period. They cannot retroactively bring charges based on a law that just became enforceable.

This also means, sorry to disappoint, that the local District Attorney, Birmingham Chief of Police and the Jefferson County Sheriff didn't have anything to do with the charges. They may have provided man power for the arrest but that would be the limit of their involvement. My guess is they didn't even initiate the investigation. For there to have been a 2-year investigation I bet that they arrested someone else down the food chain somewhere else that lead them to the Y.

So, just to reiterate, it wouldn't have mattered if all of our local officials said don't do this. The Feds did it. It doesn't reflect anything about this state or its officials, it's a reflection of the federal government. That doesn't mean that we don't have some jacked up laws in this state. Heck, I can buy a gun to kill an animal but a woman can't buy a vibrator, legally, to give herself pleasure. I'm just saying don't blame the locals on this one.
But there are/were state charge against Ruby. BPD officer was listed on the State's witness list and the prelim was on 09/28/10. And one of the Shelby County ladies was listed the victim on the arrest warrant.

MedicalMal

Make It Good
10-04-10, 20:43
But there are/were state charge against Ruby. BPD officer was listed on the State's witness list and the prelim was on 09/28/10. And one of the Shelby County ladies was listed the victim on the arrest warrant.

MedicalMal

I haven't seen that but I'll take you word for it. If so those are just collateral charges.

Onthedl66
10-08-10, 11:23
Hey guys, with all the heat on lately there has been almost no talk of the intended subject and all talk about getting busted for pursuing it. It is time for a real review.

I went to VIP last night, nervous as hell as it was my first AMP visit, and was immediately greeted at the door by a lady that I assumed to be mamasan. I won't say her name since it seems to have gotten others in trouble upon RingTFF. Anyway I tell her it's the first time and she says ok and takes me to a room where I get undressed. Then she explains door fee which I pay and go to TS. Detailed and relaxing. I'm pretty sure they kept it sanitary with chlorinated water. So after TS she brings me back to room and is very upfront about how we do things. Asks for extra price which I was.2 short due to my misinterpreting the forum but she said ok anyway. Then she got undressed and gave a very soft massage before asking me to turn over. She had a great attitude and was willing to play the part all the way until I was leaving out the door.

I've been positive up to here because I feel like she deserves her credit, but I have to say she was a lot older than what I had expected, and I also thought that the mamasan would bring me in and let me pick from the girls that were there. I kept asking her if she was the only girl working tonight and she said no but left it at that most of the time. Then when I asked if I could meet the other girls on my way out she said I wouldn't be allowed to see their faces. I had really wanted to go in there and pick but she explained that they go on rotation so that whoever you get when you go in is just who you get.

I told her I would come back but I probably will not seeing as how I could barely keep it hard for this leather bag of a lady and kept trying to visualize someone else so I could just get it over with and get out of there.

Did I do something wrong not to be able to pick or is that just the way VIP rolls? Anyone?

Any other details per request, like the lady's name, just ask and I'll tell you.

ThaDownlow

JimmieB
10-08-10, 16:50
I even fucked the madam the last time I was there a few months back!Now even I know you're lying. Nobody ever calls her "the madam. " And she doesn't participate.

J

Superfast
10-08-10, 18:13
Did I do something wrong not to be able to pick or is that just the way VIP rolls? Anyone I've never seen a lineup. I know people talk about it from time to time. I've always assumed that's reserved for well known regulars, or at least not an option for first time visitors.

I was happy with my time at VIP with M. She wasn't a young knock out, but wouldn't call her old or ugly either. She made up for looks in technique.

I wouldn't rule out returning to VIP, just make sure you say you've visited before and maybe try asking the mamasan for someone else.

Yakuzi
10-09-10, 03:16
Now even I know you're lying. Nobody ever calls her "the madam. " And she doesn't participate.

JThanks for busting that guy J. I don't understand the purpose of lying and making up shit, I mean aren't you kinda admitting that you suck in a major way if you have to make up shit? I mean ESPECIALLY on here, your on a forum where no one knows you, so why lie?

Hbergeron
10-09-10, 10:37
Now even I know you're lying. Nobody ever calls her "the madam. " And she doesn't participate.

JHe was probably talking about the older (looking) woman. You know the one that did the laundry, cleaned the toilets, picked up after the girls, and would fill in for Ruby when she was out running errands or taking a day off.

Dick Bob
10-09-10, 12:04
He was probably talking about the older (looking) woman. You know the one that did the laundry, cleaned the toilets, picked up after the girls, and would fill in for Ruby when she was out running errands or taking a day off.Yea your probably right LOL, she was the short, thick little asian who wore the tshirt and the blue sweat pants when I was there and would always pat me on the ass and walk in on me while I was getting my table shower, The second I was there and she let me in we hugged and I grabbed her on the ass and she led me into the first room that you see when you walk in and covered my eyes when the door would open where the girls would sleep or watever they do in there. But anyways, after I paid her the fee, she took me out that room and into one of the rooms down the hall and when we got in the room she gave me another hug and I grabbed her on the ass again as she was hugging me only when she was getting ready to leave I grabbed her hand and asked for another hug and told her how cute I thought she was and I slid my hand down her pants and asked her if I could be with her, she smiled and said no because she had to take care of the girls there, all the while my hand is down her pants and she saw how hard my dick was and grabbed it and smiled as she left the room to get the lineup of girls for me to choose from. And second of all just because I called her a madam doesn't mean a muthafucking thing and you are right although I did NOT fuck her I did get to have a little fun with her, don't get mad at me because it happened and I had the balls to try it, Like I said, this is what the fuck I do, I don't have to lie about a muthafucking thing.

Edward Nigma
10-10-10, 00:55
Yea your probably right LOL, she was the short, thick little asian who wore the tshirt and the blue sweat pants when I was there and would always pat me on the ass and walk in on me while I was getting my table shower, The second I was there and she let me in we hugged and I grabbed her on the ass and she led me into the first room that you see when you walk in and covered my eyes when the door would open where the girls would sleep or watever they do in there. But anyways, after I paid her the fee, she took me out that room and into one of the rooms down the hall and when we got in the room she gave me another hug and I grabbed her on the ass again as she was hugging me only when she was getting ready to leave I grabbed her hand and asked for another hug and told her how cute I thought she was and I slid my hand down her pants and asked her if I could be with her, she smiled and said no because she had to take care of the girls there, all the while my hand is down her pants and she saw how hard my dick was and grabbed it and smiled as she left the room to get the lineup of girls for me to choose from. And second of all just because I called her a madam doesn't mean a muthafucking thing and you are right although I did NOT fuck her I did get to have a little fun with her, don't get mad at me because it happened and I had the balls to try it, Like I said, this is what the fuck I do, I don't have to lie about a muthafucking thing.Sir I am offended at your use of language. Not the "muthafucking" stuff or obsenity-laced paragraph but because you talk like a 16 year old playing Halo.

Dick Bob
10-10-10, 07:44
Sir I am offended at your use of language. Not the "muthafucking" stuff or obsenity-laced paragraph but because you talk like a 16 year old playing Halo.My apologies to anyone whom I offended with my profanity, it was only meant for the ones who wanted to call me all kinds of liars and cops, when they don't know the "real buisness" of what I do and how I do it. Again my apologies sir.

Hbergeron
10-10-10, 07:53
Sir I am offended at your use of language. Not the "muthafucking" stuff or obsenity-laced paragraph but because you talk like a 16 year old playing Halo.Yeah. I think it's time call "bullshit" here too. Besides the inaccurate description, it reads like someone has been reading too many Penthouse Letters.

Onthedl66
10-10-10, 11:58
I've never seen a lineup. I know people talk about it from time to time. I've always assumed that's reserved for well known regulars, or at least not an option for first time visitors.

I was happy with my time at VIP with M. She wasn't a young knock out, but wouldn't call her old or ugly either. She made up for looks in technique.

I wouldn't rule out returning to VIP, just make sure you say you've visited before and maybe try asking the mamasan for someone else. Thanks for the info. I tried asking but got a quizzical look when I asked if she was mamasan. Do you literally say 'mamasan' or should I ask for the lady of the house or something? I know this kind of question is hilarious to y'all. But yeah I'll try and ask next time, got to remember you've got the power until you hand over the dough. Any ideas on the age range available? The lady I saw seemed to be in her late 30s on into her 40s maybe. You never know how rough a life it's been but the asian girls usually don't wear out that fast so I think it's a good estimate.

Yakuzi
10-11-10, 10:59
Thanks for the info. I tried asking but got a quizzical look when I asked if she was mamasan. Do you literally say 'mamasan' or should I ask for the lady of the house or something? I know this kind of question is hilarious to y'all. But yeah I'll try and ask next time, got to remember you've got the power until you hand over the dough. Any ideas on the age range available? The lady I saw seemed to be in her late 30s on into her 40s maybe. You never know how rough a life it's been but the asian girls usually don't wear out that fast so I think it's a good estimate.Partner, if your talking late 30s or 40s your getting about what they offer. I mean if your looking at the ads on BP those chicks are pics taking from the net none of them are here. The only one with young thin chixx was Y and their all gone, B has had a few young ones but I think their attitude is so screwed up over there I don't know if I were to risk it. YMMV

Yakuzi
10-11-10, 23:46
Partner, if your talking late 30s or 40s your getting about what they offer. I mean if your looking at the ads on BP those chicks are pics taking from the net none of them are here. The only one with young thin chixx was Y and their all gone, B has had a few young ones but I think their attitude is so screwed up over there I don't know if I were to risk it. YMMVHey 66,

I was interested in a tug myself. I went to check them out and let you know you were just getting what they had to offer and let me tell you. You probably shouldn't listen to me. Stopped at VIP and the broad who answered the door was dressed to give a massage and and I asked was she the masseuse and she answered yes so I TOOK OFF! She could have passed for 60! She held her mouth kinda of funny and I was guessing it was possible she might have forgotten her dentures when she came to the door, anywho, I took off and went to Bali against my better judgment hoping maybe the chubby huge titty girl would be there and let tell you the broad that came in there was almost as old as the mamasan. Without the Y we are doomed! I wonder if they all sent away the good talent in case they got raided?

Onthedl66
10-13-10, 16:18
Hey 66,

I was interested in a tug myself. I went to check them out and let you know you were just getting what they had to offer and let me tell you. You probably shouldn't listen to me. Stopped at VIP and the broad who answered the door was dressed to give a massage and and I asked was she the masseuse and she answered yes so I TOOK OFF! She could have passed for 60! She held her mouth kinda of funny and I was guessing it was possible she might have forgotten her dentures when she came to the door, anywho, I took off and went to Bali against my better judgment hoping maybe the chubby huge titty girl would be there and let tell you the broad that came in there was almost as old as the mamasan. Without the Y we are doomed! I wonder if they all sent away the good talent in case they got raided? Exactly! I was trying to be generous with the age. We are talking asian girls here. You have to be pretty damned old to look old if you're an asian girl.

Mammiejammer
10-15-10, 19:39
Exactly! I was trying to be generous with the age. We are talking asian girls here. You have to be pretty damned old to look old if you're an asian girl.VIP used to be a good place to go but now there is a different Mama and it is not as friendly as it was. My last and final trip there I was met by a person I also assumed was the Mama who took me to a room. Took the house fee and then to my horror said she'd be right back. Since I was out the cash anyway I rolled with it. After the table shower she began the massage. This girl looked terrible. A VERY rough 50 would be kind. Looked like she had a serious crack habit to boot. I just waited hoping the hour would end and since I gave her no cue she finally asked me what I wanted. Got out as cheap as I could with a HJ and I will never go back

Golfer23
10-16-10, 13:27
Went by VIP yesterday and had a great time! The attendent was very nice and friendly probably mid 30's.

Mammiejammer
10-17-10, 18:30
Went by VIP yesterday and had a great time! The attendent was very nice and friendly probably mid 30's.Thanks for the update Golfer. Hopefully things have changed for the better there. The Mama there used to be very nice and the girls cute and attentive. Would love to see things that way again. I'll have to check it out. MJ

Captain Hero
10-17-10, 21:42
How much do you typically drop at VIP? It doesn't sound like the same sort of quality is there that was found at the Y, so it wouldn't be worth what you'd have dropped there.

Superfast
10-18-10, 09:11
How much do you typically drop at VIP? It doesn't sound like the same sort of quality is there that was found at the Y, so it wouldn't be worth what you'd have dropped there.You may not feel you're getting the same value for your money, but supply, demand and other market forces determines the price. With high quality providers gone, and if there is indeed increased enforcement pressure, the price may go up while the quality goes down.

Captain Hero
10-20-10, 07:59
So with Yoshiko gone, in everyone's opinion, who's best of what's left? It's been years since I bothered to try anyone else.

Mammiejammer
10-20-10, 19:56
So with Yoshiko gone, in everyone's opinion, who's best of what's left? It's been years since I bothered to try anyone else.Please bear in mind this is only MY opinion but I would sat BALI. From spa to spa it varies all the time. The girls come in and typically stay a few weeks to a few months and then move on. So you may go somewhere and find great girls for a while and then run into a dry spell where the girls aren't very cute or have a bad attitude. This was true even at Yoshiko. The Mama at Super Sauna is pretty annoying and will lie to you (I. E. You call to ask if your favorite girl is working. She says yes and when you get there she no longer works there) this happened several times to me. Not sure I would trust VIP right now but Golfer gives a good recent report from there so who knows about that place. At Bali the Mama is pretty nice and usually there is at least one pretty nice girl there. The trick with everything being what it is, is to ask the Mama if you can meet the girls who aren't busy and pick the attendant you want to be with. Do this BEFORE you give her the house fee. Business is bad these days and they want balk at all when you make that request. I routinely do this now after my bad experience at VIP. If I don't see anyone I like I respectfully bow out. They aren't happy when this happens and will try to talk you into staying but they don't want to loose a regular customer either and will invite you to come back soon and say that new girls are coming. Hope this helps. Given my recent experience if I didn't find a cutie at Bali my second choice would be Super Sauna and I would bounce from there to VIP as a last resort. MJ

Mammiejammer
10-23-10, 21:16
An odd thing happened today as I was poking through my NEW Yellow Pages under massage I found a number for Sun Aroma Spa. Back in the day Sun was THE best AMP in Birmingham. So I called the number. It rang a few times clicked like it picked up and after about 30 seconds made this awful beeping noise. I wonder if Sun is going to reopen. Anyone have any input on this one. I would LOVE to see Sun reopen if it would be ANYTHING like it was years ago.

MJ

Hbergeron
10-24-10, 09:53
If the address is out in Finley Ave area it is probably the same listing I saw a couple of years ago. I believe someone else went by the address after I posted something about it and said there was nothing there. Probably they just parked their name and number there to maintain a presence in B'ham.

It would be nice if someone opened up one in B'ham to take the place of Yoshiko. But I doubt anything new will happen there until after the election and the federal case against Yoshiko is history. Til then the AMP's left will probably have their 2rd and 3rd string players taking care of business.

Things where I'm at now aren't much better. They raided all the AMP's back in the summer, mainly for having non-licensed masseuse's giving massages. Only one AMP here has got decent help and the Mamasan wants to play a "rate your visit on a scale of 1 to 10" game with you on your way out (which I don't care for. If you rate your visit anything less than an 8 she wants to know what you didn't like and what could be better and conduct a whole debriefing on your visit.


An odd thing happened today as I was poking through my NEW Yellow Pages under massage I found a number for Sun Aroma Spa. Back in the day Sun was THE best AMP in Birmingham. So I called the number. It rang a few times clicked like it picked up and after about 30 seconds made this awful beeping noise. I wonder if Sun is going to reopen. Anyone have any input on this one. I would LOVE to see Sun reopen if it would be ANYTHING like it was years ago.

MJ

Mammiejammer
10-25-10, 17:22
If the address is out in Finley Ave area it is probably the same listing I saw a couple of years ago. I believe someone else went by the address after I posted something about it and said there was nothing there. Probably they just parked their name and number there to maintain a presence in B'ham.

It would be nice if someone opened up one in B'ham to take the place of Yoshiko. But I doubt anything new will happen there until after the election and the federal case against Yoshiko is history. Til then the AMP's left will probably have their 2rd and 3rd string players taking care of business.

Things where I'm at now aren't much better. They raided all the AMP's back in the summer, mainly for having non-licensed masseuse's giving massages. Only one AMP here has got decent help and the Mamasan wants to play a "rate your visit on a scale of 1 to 10" game with you on your way out (which I don't care for. If you rate your visit anything less than an 8 she wants to know what you didn't like and what could be better and conduct a whole debriefing on your visit. Thanks for the input H. There was no address listed for the number. And the yellow pages were just delivered new that day. But you're probably right about parking their number. After the thing on Finley they re-opened briefly on Green Springs highway but Homewood Police shut them down. It was a very nice spa with a smokin hottie playin Mamma. Would like to see them back. MJ

Alamassage1
10-30-10, 07:48
Would appreciate any updates on service and staff changes.

Superfast
10-31-10, 12:26
Ok, so I'm a pervert, but that's obvious isn't it.

Has anyone gotten a rim job? If so, how do you go about asking for it? I'm not sure if the girls know what "rimming" means, and directly asking to "lick my ass" during negotiation seems like it might be too upfront ad direct.

Of course, I know how to show my interest during the TS, and this worked out for me (only) once before.

Juarezeducated
11-05-10, 15:35
Aside from the GREAT service I got at the Y, I just can't get a groove on with the ladies in Bham. I called these people with hopeful expectations. The rate was $120 / hr and I hoped that this just might be similar to a great find I once found in Colorado. In fact, I hoped, it might be some anxious Chinese entrepreneurs stepping in to take up the market left by Y. Surely this rate wouldn't be for just a massage, even if it is an outcall. WRONG!

A Chinese girl named Mary showed up and at best was around a 5; very unattractive but not a terrible body. Her massage skills were aweful as, despite the headline of the ad, it was really nothing more than a rub. In fact, I found it humorous when she said she wanted to go to "massage school". She stayed fully clothed and never straddled me to perform any "massaging". When time was getting close, I asked about a happy ending and she shuddered and shook her head "no". With a little conversation and negotiation, I convinced her to ah HJ if she let me rub her tits. Another $40.

As I am striking out hard here in Bham, I can do without any sarcasm. Thanks.

http://bham.craigslist.org/thp/2032822616.html

114915

Medical Mal
11-07-10, 13:46
Went by both of these places with in the past couple of days.

At Bali, saw Bebe. Good massage, probably one of the best ever from this establishment. However, extras were not so good. Saw the other lady on the way out and did not appear that I had missed anything.

At Super Sauna, saw Sofia. About as close to GFE as you can get at these places. Everything covered but with lfk. Good personality. If I had to guess I would say mid 30's. Supposed to be there till the end of the month (November)

Did not go by VIP as there were no cars there and they were open but I have not seen a good report on them in like forever.

IMHO, Super Sauna is the place to go. At least for now.

MedicalMal

Captain Hero
11-09-10, 11:00
Have there been any recent developments with Yoshiko?

I just got the new Yellow pages and I saw that they're still in there.

Nikoliy
11-10-10, 14:54
Thanks MedicalMal for update.

I went to see Sofia at Super Sauna but she was busy. Saw Nana instead, she is in her early 30s with a nice body and good personality and she just got here about a week ago. Great massage and the other services were good. I went to VIP about a month ago and left quickly because the Mamasan wanted to give me the TS. Scary.

Bigcountryboi
11-10-10, 22:56
I visited the super sauna the other day. Saw a lady mid 30s, short about 5"1 (maybe have been Nana, she said it was her second day. Great TS, pretty good massage, and other services were on par as well.

JimmieB
11-12-10, 17:21
Went by both of these places with in the past couple of days.

At Bali, saw Bebe. Good massage, probably one of the best ever from this establishment. However, extras were not so good. Saw the other lady on the way out and did not appear that I had missed anything.

At Super Sauna, saw Sofia. About as close to GFE as you can get at these places. Everything covered but with lfk. Good personality. If I had to guess I would say mid 30's. Supposed to be there till the end of the month (November)

Did not go by VIP as there were no cars there and they were open but I have not seen a good report on them in like forever.

IMHO, Super Sauna is the place to go. At least for now.

MedicalMalI saw Sofia at Super Sauna and was not impressed. Nothing wrong, just nothing outstanding to write about. I must still be spoiled by the Y.

Make It Good
11-22-10, 11:08
Have there been any recent developments with Yoshiko?

I just got the new Yellow pages and I saw that they're still in there. Yellow Page ads are booked months in advanced. They are also still on the yp web site. Don't read anything into it. With a federal inditement it's not likely to reopen.

Hoss5000
12-04-10, 07:08
Any update on what's happening with the Y owners? I'm just wondering if they were convicted or not. Anyway, I was sad to see them go. I'd seen Sunshine there just a week or two before they were closed and had a fantastic time. Such a sweetheart. I had multiple great experiences there over the last couple of years, and the Mamasan and the other girl that helped her started to like me after a while and always seemed like they were going out of their way to make me happy. They're sweet people I genuinely don't think they deserve to be punished. Bali was downright cold in comparison, though I had some decent experiences there as well.

Hbergeron
12-06-10, 06:12
Any update on what's happening with the Y owners? I'm just wondering if they were convicted or not. Anyway, I was sad to see them go. I'd seen Sunshine there just a week or two before they were closed and had a fantastic time. Such a sweetheart. I had multiple great experiences there over the last couple of years, and the Mamasan and the other girl that helped her started to like me after a while and always seemed like they were going out of their way to make me happy. They're sweet people I genuinely don't think they deserve to be punished. Bali was downright cold in comparison, though I had some decent experiences there as well.Jefferson County Do-nut Eaters web page now lists them as "FED TRANSIT" and no bond. It use to read "Human Trafficking" and $1, 000, 000 bond. I guess they are about to transfer them to a federal facility.

Captain Hero
12-11-10, 09:07
Any update on what's happening with the Y owners? I'm just wondering if they were convicted or not. Anyway, I was sad to see them go. I'd seen Sunshine there just a week or two before they were closed and had a fantastic time. Such a sweetheart. I had multiple great experiences there over the last couple of years, and the Mamasan and the other girl that helped her started to like me after a while and always seemed like they were going out of their way to make me happy. They're sweet people I genuinely don't think they deserve to be punished. Bali was downright cold in comparison, though I had some decent experiences there as well.Yeah, it's pretty sickening. Birmingham has made the top ten for cities with most murders in the country, but instead of trying to do something about that, our tax dollars are wasted on going after places like the Y.

Make It Good
12-13-10, 09:58
I'm just wondering if they were convicted or not.They were arrested only a couple of months ago. It will more than likely be a year before the trial. This isn't Law & Order where it seems that a week after the arrest there is a trial. It takes months to go to court.

Hoss5000
12-13-10, 18:01
Well it was. What? August, September? I'm not terribly familiar with exactly how long it takes. Regardless, I hate that this is happening to them. It's unfortunate that they misrepresent these places as being more sinister than they actually are.

Sleeper11
01-05-11, 19:03
This forum has just died since Y went down. I haven't been to an AMP since the Y but want to go soon if I can get a good report. So, anyone recommending SS, Bali, VIP or should I just look elsewhere?

Yakuzi
01-05-11, 22:25
This forum has just died since Y went down. I haven't been to an AMP since the Y but want to go soon if I can get a good report. So, anyone recommending SS, Bali, VIP or should I just look elsewhere?I know I'm not. Been to all of them and it just pisses you off. Both Quality and effort.

John Newbie
01-05-11, 22:30
I never had tried an AMP before, but cruised 1st Ave and didn't find any fun so I thought I'd try the VIP. Met at the door by Judy. 40yo, not ugly, but not great looking. She was the only worker I saw, but did hear her talking to another girl while I was stripping down.

$60 for basic services. I really liked the table shower. Sat in the sauna for a few minutes. Then got a very sub par back rub. She had me roll over and she excused herself to use the rest room and I didn't know that was my cue to put a tip on the table. She came back in and didn't se money, but I did have the cover sheet kicked off to the floor. She started back with a thigh massage and I started rubbing her her ass. She shyster me and pointed to the table and I played dumb. She made a hand job motion and showed me 6 fingers. Deep kisses were $ and $.4 for FS. I told her I couple tip her that much and talked her down on tip. I did leave happy, but over all, spent more, considering $60 for the rest of the services, than I would have liked to.

What is the most you guys tip for different endings? I don't want to over pay if I try again.

PatMyCrotch
01-07-11, 09:40
The VIP was a nice place to rest yesterday. I am not usually one to go to an AMP. I was stressed. I saw suzzy. She was perky. The $ was okay. I was the only one there and was not rushed. She spent the most time ever.

8. 5 out of 10.

Captain Hero
01-07-11, 11:01
This forum has just died since Y went down. I haven't been to an AMP since the Y but want to go soon if I can get a good report. So, anyone recommending SS, Bali, VIP or should I just look elsewhere?I went to SS a few weeks ago. It was ok. Nothing great but I've had worse.

Jasmine Smith
01-07-11, 15:26
It's going to be a while before any class A type of girls come back to Birmingham to work.

The thing about the Spas is that when a major type of bust happens news travel fast in the spa communities. The younger prettier girls with good service will often think it's too dangerous to come here for work so you guys end up with the older and often not as attractive girls. You have to be careful of these type of girls because its a hit and miss type of situation. Some will think that because they are older they will have to give the best type of service they can to keep you coming back. Then their are the other types of of older girls who just don't care, they will give crappy service and try to upsell. If you get the girls with crappy service stand up for yourselves and complain to the mamasan. If they receive enough complaints about the same girl then that girl will be fired and maybe a better girl will come to work.

Just my 2 cents

Wiregrass
01-07-11, 16:23
You should check out the Biloxi, Miss Massage Parlor forum.

There are six AMPs in Ocean Springs / on the eastern edge of Biloxi. 777 Spa seems to regularly receive high comments. Personally I didn't find my one time there to be particularly impressive.

Good to hear from you again AG / make that JS.

Justme9123
01-08-11, 00:27
Thats exactly why I've been trying to get up with someone with your reputation. I'll be in town the 18th. PM if you'are available

JM


It's going to be a while before any class A type of girls come back to Birmingham to work.

The thing about the Spas is that when a major type of bust happens news travel fast in the spa communities. The younger prettier girls with good service will often think it's too dangerous to come here for work so you guys end up with the older and often not as attractive girls. You have to be careful of these type of girls because its a hit and miss type of situation. Some will think that because they are older they will have to give the best type of service they can to keep you coming back. Then their are the other types of of older girls who just don't care, they will give crappy service and try to upsell. If you get the girls with crappy service stand up for yourselves and complain to the mamasan. If they receive enough complaints about the same girl then that girl will be fired and maybe a better girl will come to work.

Just my 2 cents

Hoss5000
01-09-11, 06:13
I really don't see things going back to the way they were for quite some time.

Hbergeron
01-09-11, 15:42
I think there are still some goodies to be had at the AMP's. I think a lot of people are afraid of saying anything for fear that what happen to Yoshiko will happen to one of the other places. Sort of the loose lips sink ships type deal.

I was in B'ham over the weekend and went to one of the AMP's and was greeted by a very attractive 30ish lady by the name of Janie or Jamie. Age isn't as important to me as quality of service, but I had a very good time and left a happy camper.

Sorry I won't be more specific. See earlier statement.

Medical Mal
01-13-11, 01:09
I think there are still some goodies to be had at the AMP's. I think a lot of people are afraid of saying anything for fear that what happen to Yoshiko will happen to one of the other places. Sort of the loose lips sink ships type deal.

I was in B'ham over the weekend and went to one of the AMP's and was greeted by a very attractive 30ish lady by the name of Janie or Jamie. Age isn't as important to me as quality of service, but I had a very good time and left a happy camper.

Sorry I won't be more specific. See earlier statement. I saw Janie the other day (couple of days ago) and I concur as well.

Medical Mal

Justme9123
01-20-11, 09:50
After trying 'AGAIN' to get up with jasmine, I finally gave up. Little did I know, but that was the best thing that could have happened.

I won't name the place. But I met Solphla. Who put Sky and Q to shame. All I can say is WOW!

I Love Koreans
01-27-11, 19:16
I got a nice massage from Jenny this week. I hadn't been out in months, and the drop-off from Y was not that big at all. I saw others working and it was a decent group. She was probably a bit older (low 30s) but had a nice toned young-MILF type bod, with nice bolt-ons, etc. Good stuff overall.

Jasmine Smith
02-02-11, 01:05
Hi Guys,

I know that several of you have wanted to see me and it seems like I blew you off. The past year for me has been very difficult. I've had several injuries which I haven't fully recovered from. A slipped disk to torn ligaments in my knee. There's days when I feel good and work then there are days and even weeks at a time when I'm in pain in which I'm not able to work much less move around. Some of you know that I've been dealing with back pain since December of 2009 and a lot of you know that I had a really bad knee injury since this summer. So I'm sorry to all the guys and hope that you can forgive me.

J. S.

Drsmooth1
02-02-11, 10:04
Thanks for that apology but none is really necessary because those of us that know you find you to be brave not unreliable. You've been exceptional in your service and character, so don't worry about us we'll be okay we want you back 100.

Or was this really your way of saying you miss me and get my ass over there. LOL

Woozy39
02-02-11, 19:20
Does anyone have any exprience at Houliang Massage? If so, care to share?

Wiregrass
02-02-11, 19:29
She needs a vacation.

In Beautiful Mobile, Alabama.

Get well.

Lonely Guy
02-02-11, 19:48
I got a nice massage from Jenny this week. I hadn't been out in months, and the drop-off from Y was not that big at all. I saw others working and it was a decent group. She was probably a bit older (low 30s) but had a nice toned young-MILF type bod, with nice bolt-ons, etc. Good stuff overall.Would you plese tell me where I can find this person is she private or dose she work at a certin parlor.

Thanks.

L. G.

Hobby Eric
02-03-11, 11:35
Does anyone have any exprience at Houliang Massage? If so, care to share?From my dozen or so visits and info from other hobbyists, this place is 100% legit, no extras."Michelle" sometimes gives misleading signals, to where you might think extras are available. But no dice.

Good therapeutic massage, though.

Bhm Guy
02-03-11, 13:47
From my dozen or so visits and info from other hobbyists, this place is 100% legit, no extras."Michelle" sometimes gives misleading signals, to where you might think extras are available. But no dice.

Good therapeutic massage, though. I agree with Eric. No extra service available there.

Woozy39
02-04-11, 20:18
I agree with Eric. No extra service available there.I'll keep looking for a Sensual Massage that is not an AMP.

Captain Hero
02-06-11, 20:23
I got a nice massage from Jenny this week. I hadn't been out in months, and the drop-off from Y was not that big at all. I saw others working and it was a decent group. She was probably a bit older (low 30s) but had a nice toned young-MILF type bod, with nice bolt-ons, etc. Good stuff overall.I saw Jenny on Friday. I'd call it a Yoshiko quality visit. She looked pretty good and put the time in to make it a worthwile experience. She was a definite step up from the girl I had last time.

I don't know what her age was but she looked youngish and hot to me. I got a glimpse at one other girl as I passed in the hall on the way out and she looked like someone who could've cut it at Yoshiko / Q Spa, too.

Charlsalanhead
02-09-11, 14:18
I saw Jenny on Friday. I'd call it a Yoshiko quality visit. She looked pretty good and put the time in to make it a worthwile experience. She was a definite step up from the girl I had last time.

I don't know what her age was but she looked youngish and hot to me. I got a glimpse at one other girl as I passed in the hall on the way out and she looked like someone who could've cut it at Yoshiko / Q Spa, too. What was your walk out price? And how many times have you been in, Like they know you?

I've never been a would feel like such a nob, I'd be taken advantage of.

PM if ya want. I dig Asians. I'd love to venture in during the morning, but the first time is always the scarriest.

Plus my back hurts!

Ironmen
02-10-11, 11:35
Seen Jenny yesterday and I agree with previous post she is Yoshiko material. Claimed she was 25 I would guess she is a little older very nice petite body. Very average massage but other services were pretty good. I would recommend her also meet Amy while I was there and she was attractive as well.

Ondaroadagain
02-14-11, 15:17
I have had some fun recently but have not gotten around to posting since I have relocated to Birmingham. Last week I had some time between meetings and dropped by SS to see what the options were. I was taken to a room and after a very short wait I was greeted by Janie. I was very pleased and handed over the house fee. A very thorough table shower was followed by a short visit to the sauna while the table was cleaned. Upon returning to the room I placed the normal tip amount on the table. A decent nude massage and a full menu was enjoyed. As long as she is there I will definitely return.

Funinmgm
02-16-11, 09:15
Well with all this hush hush about where everyone went I was confused so based on the last poster I tried what I thought was ss and didn't ask for anyone specific but got June. Nice looking fairly young from Korea. The shower was ok and had all the right elements but still felt perfunctory. We went on to the massage which was mostly her rocking back and forth using a pressing motion. Not very effective but the view (in the mirror) of her doing it and adjusting her clothes to keep covered was entertaining. Then the business which was like the rest uninspired and this time I felt a little rushed. I felt in no way ripped off just wish she had been more into it. I might try again with her or try some else there. She told me there was no janie there but there was a Jenny.

Maybe next time.

JimmieB
02-17-11, 15:35
Seen Jenny yesterday and I agree with previous post she is Yoshiko material. Claimed she was 25 I would guess she is a little older very nice petite body. Very average massage but other services were pretty good. I would recommend her also meet Amy while I was there and she was attractive as well.Saw her at SS and thought it was absolutely average. She's closer to 40. Small fake titties. Not bad, just nothing special.

Jasmine Smith
02-19-11, 12:36
Hi Guys,

My friend has moved in with me. We will be staying in town until middle of April then we will be gone. I'll be shutting down my business over here for good. I hope the people who know me can see me before I'm gone so I can personally say thank you and wish you the best.

Jasmine

Dwh3511
02-21-11, 19:51
Stopped in the well known massgae place in town. Got a new one there went by name of kim said she's been there 3 days. Great petite body. Table shower, sauna and room service fit for a king. Will go back. Standard rates apply.

Ironmen
02-23-11, 14:01
I visited with Kim / Sophia earlier this week. She first stated her name was Kim then later she said Sophia so your guess is as good as mine. Pretty average if not below average service. Seems to be a bit older say late 30's I wouldn't repeat.

Dwh3511
02-24-11, 19:12
I visited with Kim / Sophia earlier this week. She first stated her name was Kim then later she said Sophia so your guess is as good as mine. Pretty average if not below average service. Seems to be a bit older say late 30's I wouldn't repeat.Guess its not same girl or place. The one I was talking about was not in her 30's and service was ok.

MartyBreger
03-06-11, 00:58
I may be visiting your fair city soon and was hoping to get a little info. PM's are fine and I have RTFF a bit. I can share info on Nashville and Atlanta with Sr members. Thanks.

Bob421
03-07-11, 11:27
So the Y has a new sign up "New Paradise" and the open sign is lit up this morning. I think I'll wait a little bit before I venture in. I at least need to get one of them spy bug sweepers before I'd feel comfy in there.

Lonely Guy
03-07-11, 19:23
Someone needs to toftt and check out this new place and let us know if it is liget or a trap.

In the mean time are their any asians working at any of the other parlors?

Plese let me know thanks.

L. G.

Yakuzi
03-08-11, 01:10
What? Real Service again? Probably not, without a young hot thing like Ruby to put a foot in their ass I'm going to take the skeptic route and just assume it'll be another ripoff joint where we will get robbed. To be honest though, I know I will end up there soon, curiosity always gets the best of me. Hahaha. [

QUOTE=Bob421; 1151711]So the Y has a new sign up "New Paradise" and the open sign is lit up this morning. I think I'll wait a little bit before I venture in. I at least need to get one of them spy bug sweepers before I'd feel comfy in there.[/QUOTE]

Hobby Eric
03-08-11, 12:05
Someone needs to toftt and check out this new place and let us know if it is liget or a trap.

In the mean time are their any asians working at any of the other parlors?

Plese let me know thanks.

L. G. All of the AMPs are entirely Asian. Did you mean to ask if there were any NON-Asians working at these parlors? That answer is almost certainly no.

Bob421
03-08-11, 17:33
Someone needs to toftt and check out this new place and let us know if it is liget or a trap.

L. G. I'll toftt if you will provide the cash!

Dwh3511
03-08-11, 20:13
Someone needs to toftt and check out this new place and let us know if it is liget or a trap.

In the mean time are their any asians working at any of the other parlors?

Plese let me know thanks.

L. G. Go and let us all know what you find.

TheQid
03-09-11, 18:51
I recently moved back to bhm from LA, and have been dabbling in the AMP scene a little. Few months back I tried out the big yellow sign, and had a glorious time. It was my first go, with a young lady named Jenny (I think?) , and it was pretty solid. Out in LA I have a couple regulars who deliver BBBJ+CFS for $.5 and I tried to get her to go for that deal. No dice. Guess I hadn't developed enough of a relationship. I did get the BBBJ+CFS, but I had to up the ante. She told me not to mention it to mama or anyone else, but I'm too altruistic not to share. Total damage ended up $$.5, but. I like what I like and I'm willing to pay for it. My apologies if I've spoiled her for anyone. Eventually I hope to bring that price back down. I started the same way in LA ($$.5 worked its way down to $.5 over 6 months). Great chick and I'll go see her again.

At the other one that's tucked away close to Wal-Mart, I dropped in a couple weeks back. Saw a young lady in her 30s (don't remember name) and had to pay. 6 just to get in the door. She did a solid massage and convo was actually decent. Apparently she doesn't love bhm be / see she was forced to relocate from ATL and the AMPs over there are much busier and the city's more fun. But. She handled biz when the time came. Sometimes I have issues with providers taking all of me, and she did have some slight issues, but slowed the pace a little and we were all good. Finished up, she wiped me down, BROUGHT ME A SPRITE (drink of my choosing. Nice touch) , and sent me on my way.

I haven't tried out the small indonesian island yet. Seems too public to me. I live relatively close by and don't want to risk anything. Nay report on how things are over there?

Also, I'm willing to TOFTT over at New Paradise, but I haven't driven by there in a couple weeks. Are there seriously signs for it where the Y used to be? Anyone succumbed to curiosity and gone to check it out yet?

Captain Hero
03-09-11, 23:04
Stopped by SS this Sunday and there was a new girl there named Sally. One of the funnest times I've had anywhere. She even managed to make the table shower a mind blowing experience. Very talented hands.

Bob421
03-11-11, 00:51
So the Y has a new sign up "New Paradise" and the open sign is lit up this morning. I think I'll wait a little bit before I venture in. I at least need to get one of them spy bug sweepers before I'd feel comfy in there.Okay. Curiosity got to me and I ventured out.

The place is safe.

My attendant was a little older than the former establishment employed, but did see a younger one on the way out. There was also discussion of new girls on way.

The service was outstanding otherwise and she was playful and talkative.

If I am not mistaken the mamasan is Ruby's backup.

Make It Good
03-16-11, 12:18
Few months back I tried out the big yellow sign...
At the other one that's tucked away close to Wal-Mart...
I haven't tried out the small indonesian island yet.
Also, I'm willing to TOFTT over at New Paradise, Not sure why you didn't mention 3 out of 4 names in your post. Just say the names instead of hem hawing around. Same goes for "I had a dream the other night" bull.

Make It Good
03-16-11, 12:20
Someone needs to toftt and check out this new place and let us know if it is liget or a trap.

In the mean time are their any asians working at any of the other parlors?

Plese let me know thanks.

L. G. More than likely it's legit. There wouldn't be enough benefit to set it up as a sting.

JimmieB
03-16-11, 16:27
Okay. Curiosity got to me and I ventured out.

The place is safe.

My attendant was a little older than the former establishment employed, but did see a younger one on the way out. There was also discussion of new girls on way.

The service was outstanding otherwise and she was playful and talkative.

If I am not mistaken the mamasan is Ruby's backup. I went recently and mentioned the name Ruby, but neither the mamasan nor my attendant recognized the name. My attendant was tall and broad shouldered. I declined and left.

J

Captain Hero
03-17-11, 09:52
I went recently and mentioned the name Ruby, but neither the mamasan nor my attendant recognized the name. My attendant was tall and broad shouldered. I declined and left.

JLMAO. You didn't notice large hands or an Adam's apple, did you? Talk about TOFTT!

Clyde Jr
03-18-11, 05:31
Long story but I will make it short. The reason the why is gone is because of new owner, She went behind Rubys back and bought the build then tried to get her out of her lease this didn't work so she turned her in. She wanted Rubys buisness and I hope you don't give it to her.

TheQid
03-18-11, 18:07
Checked out the New Y, and got ushered inside but didn't see a single provider be / see mama said they were busy. Disappointing, but in light of the comments about snakes in the grass. Might have been for the best.

Soo. I went back to ol' tried and true SS and this time met Sophia. About 5'1, maybe 35 or 40 but she was great. Laughed with me and treated me like a king. I don't normally do too well with CBJ and man-mades, but she got me going. I definitely recommend.

Peter Parker
03-22-11, 17:20
Stopped by SS this Sunday and there was a new girl there named Sally. One of the funnest times I've had anywhere. She even managed to make the table shower a mind blowing experience. Very talented hands.Sally is a LOT of fun. Agreed!

Onthedl66
03-23-11, 01:48
What's the age range with the AMP girls we're talking about here? Some guys seem to really like and others don't, and I get to wondering if the difference is just the relative difference in ages.

Michaels12
03-23-11, 14:34
Are their any non Asian MP's in bhm. Healing touch is waste. Too old. Any info would be appreciated.

Hobby Eric
03-24-11, 11:07
Are their any non Asian MP's in bhm. Healing touch is waste. Too old. Any info would be appreciated.Nope. The one you mention is the only non-Asian place in town where you can have a little fun.

Ginal
03-31-11, 13:51
New ad on BP says near 8th and Carraway I think. Have never seen anything in that area. I got email reply telling me to go to some site to schedule appointment. Scam / trap? Who knows

Harvey Swartz
03-31-11, 14:24
I bet they ask for a credit card to secure your appointment!


New ad on BP says near 8th and Carraway I think. Have never seen anything in that area. I got email reply telling me to go to some site to schedule appointment. Scam / trap? Who knows

Ginal
03-31-11, 20:25
Do not know Harvey. Once a message says "go to this site to schedule" I hit DELETE. The computer and internet are wonderful things but some old farts still place a lot of value on personal contact and a voice on the other end of the phone conversation. I can not judge a thing about attitudes reading emails. Actually people seem to be braver and more outspoken in email than they are in person usually.

TheQid
04-01-11, 13:27
Do not know Harvey. Once a message says "go to this site to schedule" I hit DELETE. The computer and internet are wonderful things but some old farts still place a lot of value on personal contact and a voice on the other end of the phone conversation. I can not judge a thing about attitudes reading emails. Actually people seem to be braver and more outspoken in email than they are in person usually.Harvey and Ginal. I played this scenario out just to see, and yeah, they ask you to register for some asian dating site. Registration itself is free, but to get any info / contact any ladies you have to give up the CC info. Scam.

Slska20
04-04-11, 08:03
Is the Healing Touch on Springville Road that you are talking about? Whats the total damage that I should expect?


Nope. The one you mention is the only non-Asian place in town where you can have a little fun.

Prince83
04-05-11, 14:10
Any details guys? They have a website that has pics of the girls.

www.kasispa.com

Spider Man
04-05-11, 17:09
Is the Healing Touch on Springville Road that you are talking about? Whats the total damage that I should expect?Trust me. You don't want any part of that. Great massages but the scenery is nauseous at best.

Slska20
04-05-11, 18:17
Yeah I found that out yesterday. Hahaha.


Trust me. You don't want any part of that. Great massages but the scenery is nauseous at best.

Hbergeron
04-05-11, 18:17
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/04/east_birmingham_massage_parlor.html

Onthedl66
04-05-11, 19:04
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/04/east_birmingham_massage_parlor.html"The document was placed under seal because it makes reference to unindicted or indicted co-conspirators who have not yet been arrested"

This is really why you got to go indy. No pimps. No parlors. No big money to bust. No third parties muddying the water and luring the long arm to a hotspot. Say what you will, but I think as a state we're just not ready for the organized version.

Rusty 101
04-08-11, 17:48
Has anyone tried this place before? Who's good and what kind of damage should I be looking at for FS?

Yakuzi
04-11-11, 15:38
That just pisses me off, I man really boils my blood. 1st Ruby looked better than most AMP girls I've seen but what really pisses me off is that Ruby was big on customer service, something you cannot get at most of the AMPs. I hope for our sake they give her a mickey mouse sentence and she gets right back in the biz. If what somewhat else said is true, that the current owner set her up. Spa paradise won't see a dime from me.


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/04/east_birmingham_massage_parlor.html

Charlsalanhead
04-11-11, 18:09
Any heads up.

She offers Sensual swedish and deep muscle. I get the idea it maybe more on the menue.

If not I'm getting a massage, LOL!

I'll report back if there is anything worth while.

Harvey Swartz
04-11-11, 20:29
Sweeeet! Definitely report back man.


Any heads up.

She offers Sensual swedish and deep muscle. I get the idea it maybe more on the menue.

If not I'm getting a massage, LOL!

I'll report back if there is anything worth while.

TheQid
04-11-11, 20:57
Any heads up.

She offers Sensual swedish and deep muscle. I get the idea it maybe more on the menue.

If not I'm getting a massage, LOL!

I'll report back if there is anything worth while.Hey man, where'd you find this one? Also, next time I get a minute, I'll post about two non-pros I found on CL (obviously I'll post in the correct thread). You're definitely going to want to see this.

Ginal
04-11-11, 21:46
Saw s post on CL titled "Giver". Email from her indicates pro non sensual massage for 60 / hour. Sensual 50/30 minutes and hints at Happy ending. She will be on to do list in near future.

Charlsalanhead
04-11-11, 22:08
Any heads up.

She offers Sensual swedish and deep muscle. I get the idea it maybe more on the menue.

If not I'm getting a massage, LOL!

I'll report back if there is anything worth while. Got a heads up from a guy who saw her. We comfirmend the name and location. Massage only, Bummer!

I mean a hand job is all I expected maybe more for more, but don't need my bones cracked that bad.

Your Man 69
04-12-11, 19:01
Got a heads up from a guy who saw her. We comfirmend the name and location. Massage only, Bummer!

I mean a hand job is all I expected maybe more for more, but don't need my bones cracked that bad. She offers a sensual massage but does not give a sensual massage?

Now that's a new one in my book.

From the picture she looks to be in her early twenties.

Prince83
04-13-11, 12:09
She offers a sensual massage but does not give a sensual massage?

Now that's a new one in my book.

From the picture she looks to be in her early twenties.Would like to know where this one was found? I would take a massage only! LOL.

Charlsalanhead
04-14-11, 23:59
Would like to know where this one was found? I would take a massage only! LOL.CL if you can believe in the casual meets w4m. She had a hot pic of this brunett wearing a black bra and panties sitting on a guy like CG and hands on his chest. I though well, thats not the professional approach in advertising so figured more was up. WRONG! @$50 did something more real instead.

Lonely Guy
04-15-11, 01:20
My friend was in town the other night went to Bali said their was a closed sign on the door. Are thay only open certin hours? He tried VIP said it was a total rip off 60 for shower. 40 for h. J. Only one girl old and not friendly.

Wonted 200 to undress.

L. G.

Edward Nigma
04-21-11, 20:04
CL if you can believe in the casual meets w4m. She had a hot pic of this brunett wearing a black bra and panties sitting on a guy like CG and hands on his chest. I though well, thats not the professional approach in advertising so figured more was up. WRONG! @$50 did something more real instead.I know her personally. This her?

If so, we dated for a little while, and she swallowed / rode bareback on me for about 2 months if that matters. She was a stripper in CA, and I broke up with her over the extra-curriculars on CL. Small world.

Charlsalanhead
04-22-11, 02:22
I know her personally. This her?

If so, we dated for a little while, and she swallowed / rode bareback on me for about 2 months if that matters. She was a stripper in CA, and I broke up with her over the extra-curriculars on CL. Small world. Its not your kid she has around all the time. One gent said he saw her for a massage and she had the 6 mos old laying in the other bed. Breast feed him while he was there. LOL Now I know some pay extra for that show.

I hear ya about the true GFE thingy. My MILF out of T-town is adicting. Just enough and never enough, so the distance is a perfect buffer. And since we are swapping our private stash, LOL!

Rusty 101
04-22-11, 19:34
Well I tried it a couple of weeks back and it was really good. Walk in with $.6 and you'll leave a happy camper. Ask for Diane (Diana?). She's good looking and knows what she's doing.

Edward Nigma
04-22-11, 22:14
Its not your kid she has around all the time. One gent said he saw her for a massage and she had the 6 mos old laying in the other bed. Breast feed him while he was there. LOL Now I know some pay extra for that show.

I hear ya about the true GFE thingy. My MILF out of T-town is adicting. Just enough and never enough, so the distance is a perfect buffer. And since we are swapping our private stash, LOL! Yeah, I've got about 20 or 30 pics saved here along with some videos. Not my kid, but she doesn't know what the dad's last name is. She tried going legit after having him, but ultimately her living situation / family situation left this as one of her only ways to make a living. She rejected being reliant on me. So that left this.

She's definitely top 3 on all time bjs I've ever had. She has some Puerto Rican in her I believe, so her ass shows that. She's got wide hips, and she knows how to use them.

Like I said, we didn't work out relationship-wise so we don't talk anymore. But I have the 411 on what she charges. You can get FS and CBJ for < $

And yeah. She isn't shy about breastfeeding. She even popped her titty out at my office when she was visiting me there which led to my manager embarrassingly asking me to tell her to leave.

128869

128870

128871

Charlsalanhead
04-24-11, 03:20
Yeah, I've got about 20 or 30 pics saved here along with some videos. Not my kid, but she doesn't know what the dad's last name is. She tried going legit after having him, but ultimately her living situation / family situation left this as one of her only ways to make a living. She rejected being reliant on me. So that left this.

She's definitely top 3 on all time bjs I've ever had. She has some Puerto Rican in her I believe, so her ass shows that. She's got wide hips, and she knows how to use them.

Like I said, we didn't work out relationship-wise so we don't talk anymore. But I have the 411 on what she charges. You can get FS and CBJ for < $

And yeah. She isn't shy about breastfeeding. She even popped her titty out at my office when she was visiting me there which led to my manager embarrassingly asking me to tell her to leave.

128869

128870

128871

Great info! And you have a stash! Videos? Yea yall were into each other.

Mines in her 40s and a killer fine ass and hips. Her tummy is flat. Way better than most of the 20year olds I've paid for. I may score some nudes next visit. She is a sight on all fours and cuddled up in a ball. Some just have the genes in the family.

I may have to give her another try. I sort of blew it telling her I was kinda looking for more for more and she picked up on that ASAP. But hel if she needs some help? My lower back sort of hurts. That MILF is trying to kill me.

DanceOnMe
04-24-11, 17:17
I may have to give her another try. I sort of blew it telling her I was kinda looking for more for more and she picked up on that ASAP. But hel if she needs some help? My lower back sort of hurts. That MILF is trying to kill me.What do you mean? LOL

Elect78
04-25-11, 11:53
Yeah, I've got about 20 or 30 pics saved here along with some videos. Not my kid, but she doesn't know what the dad's last name is. She tried going legit after having him, but ultimately her living situation / family situation left this as one of her only ways to make a living. She rejected being reliant on me. So that left this.

She's definitely top 3 on all time bjs I've ever had. She has some Puerto Rican in her I believe, so her ass shows that. She's got wide hips, and she knows how to use them.

Like I said, we didn't work out relationship-wise so we don't talk anymore. But I have the 411 on what she charges. You can get FS and CBJ for < $

And yeah. She isn't shy about breastfeeding. She even popped her titty out at my office when she was visiting me there which led to my manager embarrassingly asking me to tell her to leave.

SOOOOO SEXY. Jpg.

Nude smile. Jpg.

My booty. Jpg

So how do you get in touch with that? Do tell.

JimmieB
04-25-11, 12:45
Well I tried it a couple of weeks back and it was really good. Walk in with $.6 and you'll leave a happy camper. Ask for Diane (Diana?). She's good looking and knows what she's doing.I asked for the lineup and there was no Diana, so I asked for her. She was there, but for some reason, not in the lineup. I picked her. She was absolutely mediocre. Plus she has fake tits and bad teeth. It's not the Y anymore but I keep expecting Y-type experiences. There is no Q. These ladies don't give a shit.

J

Prince83
04-25-11, 15:47
What do you mean? LOLHe means she is having great sex with him! LOL.

Your Man 69
04-25-11, 17:55
After reading yours and Charlesalanhead's post about this girl, it sounds like you guys may have had a bad break-up or something. Especially if you have all the pictures you mentioned and videos as well. No doubt there was some chemistry there at one time or another. She appears to advertise massages on CL and now because of her situation as you say makes this the only way to make a living. Does she have a place that she works out of as for massages?

From her pics, she looks as though she is innoncent and new to massages. However, she danced in Calif. I guess she is not as innocent as her pics look.


Yeah, I've got about 20 or 30 pics saved here along with some videos. Not my kid, but she doesn't know what the dad's last name is. She tried going legit after having him, but ultimately her living situation / family situation left this as one of her only ways to make a living. She rejected being reliant on me. So that left this.

She's definitely top 3 on all time bjs I've ever had. She has some Puerto Rican in her I believe, so her ass shows that. She's got wide hips, and she knows how to use them.

Like I said, we didn't work out relationship-wise so we don't talk anymore. But I have the 411 on what she charges. You can get FS and CBJ for < $

And yeah. She isn't shy about breastfeeding. She even popped her titty out at my office when she was visiting me there which led to my manager embarrassingly asking me to tell her to leave.

SOOOOO SEXY. Jpg.

Nude smile. Jpg.

My booty. Jpg

So how do you get in touch with that? Do tell.

Hnddg78
04-25-11, 20:43
Has anyone else tried this place? Any happy endings?

Charlsalanhead
04-25-11, 21:36
Yeah, I've got about 20 or 30 pics saved here along with some videos. And yeah. She isn't shy about breastfeeding. She even popped her titty out at my office when she was visiting me there which led to my manager embarrassingly asking me to tell her to leave.

128869

128870

128871

Its a not so old ad that I saved and look promissing. Looks close. I may check it out this week, got some free days to mess around with some locals.

DanceOnMe
04-26-11, 01:42
After reading yours and Charlesalanhead's post about this girl, it sounds like you guys may have had a bad break-up or something. Especially if you have all the pictures you mentioned and videos as well. No doubt there was some chemistry there at one time or another. She appears to advertise massages on CL and now because of her situation as you say makes this the only way to make a living. Does she have a place that she works out of as for massages?

From her pics, she looks as though she is innoncent and new to massages. However, she danced in Calif. I guess she is not as innocent as her pics look.Well from what I was told she only danced for about a month or so. And I met her at a house but is going to try different places she said. Deff a chatter box at times which is really cute. Worth it. She really gives aa great massage. Will deff go again.

I would say she isn't innocent but her looks deff say innocent.

Sparty 83
04-26-11, 13:20
I must be stupid but can not find her on CL.

It would be great if you could post a link so other stupid people like me can find her.

Thanks!

Edward Nigma
04-27-11, 18:40
Well from what I was told she only danced for about a month or so. And I met her at a house but is going to try different places she said. Deff a chatter box at times which is really cute. Worth it. She really gives aa great massage. Will deff go again.

I would say she isn't innocent but her looks deff say innocent. She looks innocent, but she used to do private parties, stripping (the month thing is not true) , and when she and I started dating she had already slept with 30-40 people. She's been doing the massage / happy ending / FS stuff for about 4 months now. Also. If you've got plenty of money she is always on the prowl for a sugar daddy. She posted some other CL ads talking about mutually beneficial arrangements for guys that have $$$.

Edward Nigma
04-27-11, 20:02
After reading yours and Charlesalanhead's post about this girl, it sounds like you guys may have had a bad break-up or something. Especially if you have all the pictures you mentioned and videos as well. No doubt there was some chemistry there at one time or another. She appears to advertise massages on CL and now because of her situation as you say makes this the only way to make a living. Does she have a place that she works out of as for massages?

From her pics, she looks as though she is innoncent and new to massages. However, she danced in Calif. I guess she is not as innocent as her pics look. It was a bad breakup in the sense that I found out about her starting the CL ad extracurriculars and she lied to me about it, so I told her that I wasn't interested in continuing to nail her without protection at that point. Hell, she could have at least offered me a cut and I could have driven some business her way LOL.

Warning: She will accept a email / phone call requesting massage only as just that. Whatever you offer to pay, she will not give any extras. If you ask her about extras, she'll come up with a figure. I've known guys getting FS / CBJ for < $. Which is a steal considering how she looks. AFAIK she didn't get into drugs, she is just trying to pay rent to the guy she is living with (her "boyfriend") and take care of her kid.

She doesn't want to do the FS / CBJ stuff, but she isn't known for saying "no" if you request beforehand.

Ginal
04-28-11, 08:16
About to decide this girl has too much baggage to continue the effort. She will email, text and talk on phone but always has problem scheduling around baby and "brother" who she is living with. Been going on for over 2 weeks.

Elect78
04-28-11, 10:08
Give some info on her I will give it a shot!

DanceOnMe
04-29-11, 18:02
About to decide this girl has too much baggage to continue the effort. She will email, text and talk on phone but always has problem scheduling around baby and "brother" who she is living with. Been going on for over 2 weeks.Think about it. Idk if I would. How did she get to be this big on our topic of conversation if she sucks?

BTW edward why you do you say she is living with her boy friend, I saw a picture of him and then a picture of the roomate. Too different people. But hey what do I know. Anyways talk to you all later I'm off to help out victims

Emduf45
05-03-11, 12:58
Saw their ad and the girls looked so good I thought I would try it out. Went on April 14 and boy was that a mistake. The girls I saw didn't look anything like the caliber of girls in their ad. Not only were the girls old, fat, rude, pushy, and ugly, but the place got busted while I was there. Scared the hell out of me cause the cops checked me out as well as all the girls. Don't think I will be back as the place seems to be a rip-off joint.

Hobby Eric
05-03-11, 16:38
Anybody visited this girl in Hoover?

http://muscletechniques.net/

Webpage shows a gorgeous face pic. Seems to be legit, but you never know. I think I saw a CL or BP ad which seemed to imply more, but can't find it now.

Your Man 69
05-03-11, 17:34
Anybody visited this girl in Hoover?

http://muscletechniques.net/

Webpage shows a gorgeous face pic. Seems to be legit, but you never know. I think I saw a CL or BP ad which seemed to imply more, but can't find it now. I saw nothing in her material that led to believe anything different than regular massage. I will say her prices are at least a third higher than regular massages in the B'ham area. Most regular massages should be $60 for a regular massage.

LexLuther
05-03-11, 18:09
Anybody visited this girl in Hoover?

http://muscletechniques.net/

Webpage shows a gorgeous face pic. Seems to be legit, but you never know. I think I saw a CL or BP ad which seemed to imply more, but can't find it now. Given the credentials which she provides, it is most likely that this is strictly legit massage. Someone with those chops is not likely to risk arrest by providing a HE. Just my thoughts.

LexLuther

Redrock1
05-03-11, 18:56
Has anyone else tried this place? Any happy endings?Nah. Got a hug at the end. That's it.

Woody Uno
05-03-11, 20:43
It all depends on what she likes. I had a freind who was ligit but liked to play but either way you are going to see her many times before you find out.


Given the credentials which she provides, it is most likely that this is strictly legit massage. Someone with those chops is not likely to risk arrest by providing a HE. Just my thoughts.

LexLuther

Woody Uno
05-03-11, 20:46
LOL The face is the one recieving the massage! But I would still like to meet her.


Anybody visited this girl in Hoover?

http://muscletechniques.net/

Webpage shows a gorgeous face pic. Seems to be legit, but you never know. I think I saw a CL or BP ad which seemed to imply more, but can't find it now.

Prince83
05-03-11, 21:35
Hey how did you see pics of these guys?


Think about it. Idk if I would. How did she get to be this big on our topic of conversation if she sucks?

BTW edward why you do you say she is living with her boy friend, I saw a picture of him and then a picture of the roomate. Too different people. But hey what do I know. Anyways talk to you all later I'm off to help out victims

Prince83
05-03-11, 21:44
Umm I don't believe the pics you saw were of the actual girls. Why would you think they are?


Saw their ad and the girls looked so good I thought I would try it out. Went on April 14 and boy was that a mistake. The girls I saw didn't look anything like the caliber of girls in their ad. Not only were the girls old, fat, rude, pushy, and ugly, but the place got busted while I was there. Scared the hell out of me cause the cops checked me out as well as all the girls. Don't think I will be back as the place seems to be a rip-off joint.

DanceOnMe
05-04-11, 02:15
Hey how did you see pics of these guys?That was interesting. I saw a picture of a guy holding alittle girl and asked if that was her baby and her dad. She was like no I have a son and my bf doesn't look like that. And she pulled the pics up on the computer.

Prince83
05-05-11, 12:46
Seems to be new MP is the Livingston, AL area. Anyone venture over there yet?

Hobby Eric
05-06-11, 10:37
LOL The face is the one recieving the massage! But I would still like to meet her.LOL yes, but if you click on the "Atheena" link you'll get a picture of her, or at least a supposed picture of her. I decided to cancel my appointment with her. Got a whole lot of attitude after I simply asked if it was possible to use a towel instead of a sheet for draping. Her reaction makes me think there's no chance in h#ll of anything more than a massage.

Alamassage1
05-08-11, 14:59
Could really go for one today. Would appreciate any recs.

Your Man 69
05-13-11, 09:15
Passed by Fultendale yesterday on HWY31. On the left hand side of the Hi-way was a building that is listed as

Fultendale Massage. Just checking to see if anyone has TOFTT at this place?

Greek Sneek
05-16-11, 20:36
Stopped by the SS a few nights ago and had a fun hour with Jenny. Good skills for Benjamin Grant.

It has been a long time since I visited last, and have had good-great experiences in the past. It was a long overdue visit and well worth the BG.

Juarezeducated
05-18-11, 16:44
5-17-11. Went by about 5:00 PM and locked up tight. Already closed down?

Bama Richard
05-18-11, 22:42
While traveling between Mobile and New Orleans yesterday, I decided to drive a portion of the way on Highway 90 rather than I-10, just for a change of scenery. Just as I was entering Moss Point, MS on Hwy. 90 West, I spotted a storefront with a sign that ready only "SPA." It was located on the right side of the road. I passed it and did a U-turn about a mile past it. I was met at the door by the mamasan who quoted me the usual price for a massage: $40 for half hour and $65 for an hour. I opted for the half hour. The hour includes a table shower.

She showed me to the room and told me to undress, lie face down on the table and cover my butt with a towel. I did as told. A few minutes passed and in walked Sarah, a young Asian woman, probably in her late 20s. Early 30s. Black hair down to her waist. Slim and tall. B cups. Bolt-ons. Very friendly and talkative. Laughed a lot. Pleasing personality. She was beautiful, to say the least. She made me a happy man, so I made sure I showed my appreciation for her efforts. Total damage: 100.

I highly recommend Sarah and will return when in the area.

Medical Mal
05-18-11, 23:51
5-17-11. Went by about 5:00 PM and locked up tight. Already closed down?Uncle Leo went by there and took all the people on a trip according to my intel.

MM

Edward Nigma
05-19-11, 00:56
Uncle Leo went by there and took all the people on a trip according to my intel.

MMThat was quick. Something has to be going on besides the location. Someone isn't paying their protection money or someone is narcing.

Then again. They weren't exactly discreet when I stopped in.

Wiregrass
05-19-11, 14:05
She made me a happy man, so I made sure I showed my appreciation for her efforts. Total damage: 100.

What kind of happy ending was this: FS, HJ, BJ? I may just head on over there for a peek.

Bama Richard
05-19-11, 21:22
She made me a happy man, so I made sure I showed my appreciation for her efforts. Total damage: 100.

What kind of happy ending was this: FS, HJ, BJ? I may just head on over there for a peek.HJ. I didn't ask for more since it was my first time there, but I feel certain more was on the menu. For what it's worth, she wore a micro-mini denim skirt and thongs. She didn't mind me roaming.

Walter White
05-22-11, 12:14
It was a bad breakup in the sense that I found out about her starting the CL ad extracurriculars and she lied to me about it, so I told her that I wasn't interested in continuing to nail her without protection at that point. Hell, she could have at least offered me a cut and I could have driven some business her way LOL.

Warning: She will accept a email / phone call requesting massage only as just that. Whatever you offer to pay, she will not give any extras. If you ask her about extras, she'll come up with a figure. I've known guys getting FS / CBJ for < $. Which is a steal considering how she looks. AFAIK she didn't get into drugs, she is just trying to pay rent to the guy she is living with (her "boyfriend") and take care of her kid.

She doesn't want to do the FS / CBJ stuff, but she isn't known for saying "no" if you request beforehand.Hey, Edward. So is this your girl. Or not? Found her on a dating website so maybe she gives out free "massages" too. Says she is in Crestwood.

DanceOnMe
05-22-11, 12:55
Hey, Edward. So is this your girl. Or not? Found her on a dating website so maybe she gives out free "massages" too. Says she is in Crestwood.Do you other guys on here not give a girl any private life? Yes I know she and he went out. (she complained about him and something about the heat in his house.)

But see now I'm getting personal. And I am a strong believer in letting other people be unless they are offering something to you.

I don't want trouble with you edward. Just I think we should give all call / massage girls a private life of some sort.

Especially the sweet ones

Ginal
05-22-11, 20:05
Dance is exactly right. All of these ladies have a private life and that private life should be kept off the street and off this forum. We sometimes get invited into the ladies home and get a glimpse at their life away from the hobby. If you were to allow a provider in your home or let them find about your private life how would you feel if they shared that information with everyone who can turn on a computer. This relationship is a two way street and we can not expect any more from the ladies than we are willing to give.

PaigesPH
05-24-11, 19:48
Hey, Edward. So is this your girl. Or not? Found her on a dating website so maybe she gives out free "massages" too. Says she is in Crestwood.Person things belong in a personal conversation, see'mon you think only the hobbiest has a personal life? Those pics should be deleated it has her child in them. WHO EVER posted this has some personal involvment with and should be ashamed.

I thought only women did this sort of thing, LOL!

Mammiejammer
05-24-11, 21:07
Dance is exactly right. All of these ladies have a private life and that private life should be kept off the street and off this forum. We sometimes get invited into the ladies home and get a glimpse at their life away from the hobby. If you were to allow a provider in your home or let them find about your private life how would you feel if they shared that information with everyone who can turn on a computer. This relationship is a two way street and we can not expect any more from the ladies than we are willing to give.Spoken like a true gentleman Ginal. A little respect and consideration goes a long way, and most of the time the ladies are grateful. MJ

Charlsalanhead
05-24-11, 22:48
Spoken like a true gentleman Ginal. A little respect and consideration goes a long way, and most of the time the ladies are grateful. MJPictures of kids cross a line in here. That should be reported by all and have it taken down.

So whats the point in Dogg'and Ed over this woman any longer?

If you wanted to see her why didn't you. Did you freak her out and she asked you to leave?

Way uncool.

PM is for that kinda stuff.

I know she reads this forum and great way to send her under the radar. And so much hobby potential right there.

There are some real A-holes on this thread. Old ladies more like it.

Prince83
05-25-11, 13:33
I would not have posted something like that but I feel completely indifferent about it as well. Why are we so quick to defend these women, who should understand what business they are in? They are not our kids who need 'looking after'. They are grown women who made a CHOICE to become prostitutes. Who are we to judge them or people like us? Its like we are expecting morals to be exhibited during immoral acts. You wouldn't expect a drug dealer to be morally inclined during a drug deal? Or any other criminal to operate morally during a crime. Yes on this board, for the most part, we are all cordial and respectful among each other, but should that respect and niceness only be extended to those who believe what we believe or behave how we behave? Or to all? Private life for the women? Again I am indifferent but once you post on BP, CL, or any dating site YOU threw your own privacy out the window. Is good intel suppose to be private? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the entire point of this site to give and get good intel on providers? Other than good intel, I don't believe no one here has posted anything private that wasn't already public first. BP, CL, or dating site photos are FAR from private. The pic of her with her kid, if I'm not mistaken, came from a DATING site. We have not forced ANY of these women to choose the life they lead. And WE are not responsible for their irresponsible behavior, nor should we defend it because by doing so we condone or enable this behavior to grow or get worse.

@DanceOnMe, it is your OPINION that she or any other girls are sweet. We can't expect people to behave the way we would based on OUR opinions. They have their own opinion ya know. You say she is sweet and should be treated as such but another might say she is a 'prostitute' and should be treated as such.

@Ginal, if we allowed a provider into our home then we should KNOW the possible consequences of such action which is why most of us DO NOT. And if they shared any info on us then instead of placing blame on who, we should be more focused on HOW they got the info, and that points right back to US being irresponsible. It is a two way relationship but both parties choose what info to give and how responsible they should be.

@PaigesPH, Again Walter apparently shared info that is already on the internet via the PUBLIC dating site, info that SHE posted there. Try telling HER to take the pics of her and her kid off. We all knew she had a kid, and as far as I can see the face is blurred.

@MJ, Again why are we expecting to see respect given in a disrespectful industry. Its true those things go a long way, but who's to say someone is looking for a longterm provider? Maybe some guys simply like to go around and be disrespectful to women. Are we hobbyist, who passively enable these women to disrespect themselves, any different than those who aggressively and openly disrespect them?

@Charlsalanhead, you're right, it is no point of dogging Ed, who is only the messenger, of apparently accurate info concerning a provider. Its not his fought he (the hobbyist) ended up being romantically involved with a provider. Also yes, this should have been PMd because it was obviously addressed to one person, but regardless I'm not going to be mad at him of Ed for it.

@Walter, you seem like a newbie but just Pm detailed info because often times LE or the actual providers read our posts. LOL.

If I am mistaken about where the pic of her kid came from then I stand corrected and apologize, but if not then we all need to take a long look in the mirror before we choose to criticize another for what we think are indiscretions. All of us involved in this entire industry are performing many indiscretions whether we want to admit it or not. Let's stop judging and pointing fingers and get back to posting or PMing good reports! LOL.

Prince

Juarezeducated
05-26-11, 14:20
A $60 massage is now 45 minutes. My session was with Leon (or Leanne). Got there at 6:06 (big clock in the room) , turned over $60 at 6:14, girl back at 6:20, sauna for about 5 minutes and to table shower. Got a decent wash and back to room about 6:33. Quick rub or two and then asked if I needed something else. Only thing on menu was HJ for $60 and I said no but didn't quit trying to negotiate. At 6:48 as I was trying to make another proposal she said session was over.

She said that $60 is now for 45 minutess. Won't go back. Probably my worst AMP session ever.

Mammiejammer
05-27-11, 00:24
I would not have posted something like that but I feel completely indifferent about it as well. Why are we so quick to defend these women, who should understand what business they are in? They are not our kids who need 'looking after'. They are grown women who made a CHOICE to become prostitutes. Who are we to judge them or people like us? Its like we are expecting morals to be exhibited during immoral acts. You wouldn't expect a drug dealer to be morally inclined during a drug deal? Or any other criminal to operate morally during a crime. Yes on this board, for the most part, we are all cordial and respectful among each other, but should that respect and niceness only be extended to those who believe what we believe or behave how we behave? Or to all? Private life for the women? Again I am indifferent but once you post on BP, CL, or any dating site YOU threw your own privacy out the window. Is good intel suppose to be private? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the entire point of this site to give and get good intel on providers? Other than good intel, I don't believe no one here has posted anything private that wasn't already public first. BP, CL, or dating site photos are FAR from private. The pic of her with her kid, if I'm not mistaken, came from a DATING site. We have not forced ANY of these women to choose the life they lead. And WE are not responsible for their irresponsible behavior, nor should we defend it because by doing so we condone or enable this behavior to grow or get worse.

@DanceOnMe, it is your OPINION that she or any other girls are sweet. We can't expect people to behave the way we would based on OUR opinions. They have their own opinion ya know. You say she is sweet and should be treated as such but another might say she is a 'prostitute' and should be treated as such.

@Ginal, if we allowed a provider into our home then we should KNOW the possible consequences of such action which is why most of us DO NOT. And if they shared any info on us then instead of placing blame on who, we should be more focused on HOW they got the info, and that points right back to US being irresponsible. It is a two way relationship but both parties choose what info to give and how responsible they should be.

@PaigesPH, Again Walter apparently shared info that is already on the internet via the PUBLIC dating site, info that SHE posted there. Try telling HER to take the pics of her and her kid off. We all knew she had a kid, and as far as I can see the face is blurred.

@MJ, Again why are we expecting to see respect given in a disrespectful industry. Its true those things go a long way, but who's to say someone is looking for a longterm provider? Maybe some guys simply like to go around and be disrespectful to women. Are we hobbyist, who passively enable these women to disrespect themselves, any different than those who aggressively and openly disrespect them?

@Charlsalanhead, you're right, it is no point of dogging Ed, who is only the messenger, of apparently accurate info concerning a provider. Its not his fought he (the hobbyist) ended up being romantically involved with a provider. Also yes, this should have been PMd because it was obviously addressed to one person, but regardless I'm not going to be mad at him of Ed for it.

@Walter, you seem like a newbie but just Pm detailed info because often times LE or the actual providers read our posts. LOL.

If I am mistaken about where the pic of her kid came from then I stand corrected and apologize, but if not then we all need to take a long look in the mirror before we choose to criticize another for what we think are indiscretions. All of us involved in this entire industry are performing many indiscretions whether we want to admit it or not. Let's stop judging and pointing fingers and get back to posting or PMing good reports! LOL.

PrinceIf you find these women so odious then why do you waste your time and money on them as you are obviously soooo much better than them. Not all of the women in this business are soulless trolls. Some of them are very sweet decent people. Many of them got into this life at a very young age because of terrible home conditions and it was the the only way for them to survive. Many members on this board try to rise above the mundane don't give a sh*t attitude that most of the world seems to have these days. It doesn't have to be OUR kid for us to care about it or the personal privacy of it's mother. Being decent and understanding doesn't cost a damn dime. You should invest in a little of that it just might do you some good. MJ

BrainsSmith
05-27-11, 02:04
A $60 massage is now 45 minutes. My session was with Leon (or Leanne). Got there at 6:06 (big clock in the room) , turned over $60 at 6:14, girl back at 6:20, sauna for about 5 minutes and to table shower. Got a decent wash and back to room about 6:33. Quick rub or two and then asked if I needed something else. Only thing on menu was HJ for $60 and I said no but didn't quit trying to negotiate. At 6:48 as I was trying to make another proposal she said session was over.

She said that $60 is now for 45 minutess. Won't go back. Probably my worst AMP session ever. I have been to Bali several times, though not since it was "new" whatever you mean by that. Their adds always have said that in my experience. (someone correct me if it has actually changed). Every time I have been I got what I wanted. Maybe it was the way you acted, trying to "negotiate". I have asked a couple of the girls there about that, and they both made it clear that if you want to talk about it then it makes them nervous. I leave the money out, no talk, and I get what I want. Forgive me if you are a pro at this and I sound condescending, not my intent at all, just trying to help.

DanceOnMe
05-27-11, 13:16
Tried a neighbor and she was pretty good. Just wouldn't get into the extra's and for only $.4 an hour massage who cares. But pretty girl. Anyways. I'm back to trying out people that are in the business. Anyone have a girl they suggest. Photos and description. Or an ad works great.

P. S. I like the girls with a great attitude.

Prince83
05-27-11, 14:39
Hey MJ, thanks for responding. I'm not going to drag this on much, but where did I say or even imply that I thought these women were unpleasant or repulsive? I don't think that at all. And your opinion of me thinking I'm better than anyone has no basis. Could you please re-read my post. I haven't placed any judgement on anyone. I simply stated facts. And the fact of matter is I've always been respectful, cordial, and nice to every provider I've been involved with, also I have never thought I was better than any of them either. I never said any of them were soulless. Never said they weren't nice, decent people either. Why are you seemingly replacing my words? I too care about general privacy and kids as well cause I have one. But why aren't you directing your so called 'concern' with the correct person, the girl who posted a pic of her kid on a dating site! What privacy do you feel has been invaded? A guy reposting public info is NOT an invasion of privacy buddy. It might be improper, insensitive, or plain ignorance but nothing more. I don't have a don't give a sh•t attitude either. I care just as much as you or anyone else. I simply see things differently than you. And what I see is that although you are decent and seem to be an overall nice guy, you do NOT seem to understand people of this trade especially if you believe most of the women only had two choices, prostitution or not surviving. C'mon MJ! I KNOW you know better than that, just my opinion though, and I respect yours as well.

Edward Nigma
05-27-11, 18:53
I don't recall discussing my ex in this thread, but I did in another. Sorry I missed the discussion, but wanted to post my two cents:

1. I don't have anything against her except for the fact that she started being a "provider" in the middle of our dating relationship after having not done anything like that in over a year. I would not have had a problem with that if she had been up front and told me instead of continuing a relationship with me while building a foundation elsewhere (for std / sti reasons).

2. I've strived both publicly and in PMs to keep her personal info to a minimum. Actually, I've basically just been tossing business her way (and told her as much recently) and never even gave a single one of you her cell phone number or email, but just pointed you where to find it yourself, and those of you intrepid enough to do so were able to have a good time. My hope being that you didn't carry too much of my info with you since I didn't arrange it directly.

I don't really care what / who she is doing as I haven't been involved with her in about 6 months now. I've shared my personal experience with her because there was an interest expressed in "insider knowledge" so to speak, as it is something we rarely get when seeing the ladies.

I don't want to offend anyone, and I have no desire in fanning the flames of drama. I haven't shared anything beyond my personal time with her (devoid of most identifiable details) , some pictures (sans kid) , and inside information on what she charges for her time and what you can expect.

In any event, I have no desire to discuss her further at this point. I'll let her handle her own business.

Peace,

Edward.

Juarezeducated
05-28-11, 22:01
I have been to Bali several times, though not since it was "new" whatever you mean by that. Their adds always have said that in my experience. (someone correct me if it has actually changed). Every time I have been I got what I wanted. Maybe it was the way you acted, trying to "negotiate". I have asked a couple of the girls there about that, and they both made it clear that if you want to talk about it then it makes them nervous. I leave the money out, no talk, and I get what I want. Forgive me if you are a pro at this and I sound condescending, not my intent at all, just trying to help.1."whatever you mean by that". It's pretty clear and you even addressed this. They are perpetually saying they're new.

2. Do you have some firsthand contrary experience that the "new" Bali doesn't now charge $60 for 45 minutes?

3. Maybe you're just white knight? You pop up with a response that conjectures about something I did. Maybe the only thing I did was go in as a hobbyist expecting more than a misleading session.

4. Oh? And I guess you never "negotiate"? Show me a seasoned hobbyist who has never negotiated.

BrainsSmith
05-28-11, 23:20
1."whatever you mean by that". It's pretty clear and you even addressed this. They are perpetually saying they're new.

2. Do you have some firsthand contrary experience that the "new" Bali doesn't now charge $60 for 45 minutes?

3. Maybe you're just white knight? You pop up with a response that conjectures about something I did. Maybe the only thing I did was go in as a hobbyist expecting more than a misleading session.

4. Oh? And I guess you never "negotiate"? Show me a seasoned hobbyist who has never negotiated.I was not sure what you meant by that statement, if it was just their ongoing "new" slant on advertising, or if something (ownership / management) has actually changed. Hence my usage of the term.

2. The last time I was there (which I will admit was about 7 months ago) no, they did not charge 60 for 45 minutes. That could have changed sometime in the recent past, but it hasn't always been that way.

3. You likely won't believe this, but I do not know who white knight is, so it would be hard for me to be that person. And if you think I just created an account to address what you said, look back through some of the AL forum, you will find prior posts (albeit few)

4. Actually, no, I don't. In the AMP context, I talked about money one time, my first time in one. What I payed seemed reasonable to me based upon experience outside that context, and I have used that as a basis for what I "left out" on other occasions, factoring in consideration for the looks of the masseuse. I don't do the SW thing, and am not much for haggling in any context. If I offer what I think it is worth, and they do not think it is enough, I will do business elsewhere. But you may be right about the "seasoned" thing. I have not been in this hobby very many years, and I do not partake frequently.

I was not trying to offend or harass you. This board (from what I see posted by the long time members) is intended to give pointers and advice. When I read your prior post, it sounded like you had done some things that girls at that particular spa have told me would would make them nervous, make them wonder if you were a cop. And that jives with the girl cutting your session short too. Just trying to contribute to the community here, and if I offended you I am truly sorry.