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Mad Monger
05-18-10, 21:54
There were so many clues. I should have known better. In hindsight there were many things I could have been smarter about. It is so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback about the whole thing, step by step. But, when the little head is doing the thinking, and you let your guard down with a sly, drug-addicted SW, you can get snookered.

The date started out fine. Danielle was smiling, vibrant and cheerful. I had every expectation she would be fun. I began by suggesting an indoor date because I was in the mood for FS. She wanted to cop first. I wasn’t having any parts of that. She said it would be a lot more fun if she could cop first because she would feel less anxious and would feel less pressured for time and we could relax and enjoy ourselves. She was convincing, but I still wasn’t having any of it. She finally said we could go park for the suck half and then later go for the fuck half indoors, if she could cop in between. I still was hesitant, but she said the place she had to go was just a block off the K and not dangerous, she would be in and out in 5 minutes, and not bring any stuff to my car. Not only that, but she promised that it would be the absolute best fuck of my life. She wore down my resistance and was lovably convincing if such is even conceivable in a SW.

So, off we went to park for the first half of our date. She actually did do a pretty good sucking job. Maybe that was her incentive to set me up for stage two. On the way back she mentioned that she had a phone that was always in working order, unlike the other girls on the Ave and had her own place where we could go in the future when her roomie wasn’t there, and she even had a car, so we could meet at prearranged notels in the future. All of this was quite smooth and put me at ease. All I can say is that she had her act down pat and it is damn good 'cause I believed her.

After the deed we parked near the place she was going to cop. I told her I would pay her for half the date so she could cop and the other half when the date was completely over. She pleaded for the whole amount, promising very earnestly that she would be right back and that she really wanted to continue the date and have more fun. Her plea was very convincing. At this moment I had all the leverage. But this was the moment where I turned soft, caved and was conned.

I once saw a movie about con artists and the con was explained this way: the person conning you does not give you his/her confidence; you give him/her your confidence. Why do you so willingly do that?: because you get something out of it. What did I get out of this transaction?: I got to feel good that I was doing her a favor and I was going to get great sex as a result. I was naïve and I was greedy and I am experienced enough to know a LOT better. At least I got my cock sucked. It just cost me a lot more than that for which I had bargained.

As I sat there and the time passed, I was thinking to myself what an ass I was. She had the money. She had nothing more to gain by returning. She had conned me into thinking that she actually thought a future good date relationship was worth returning for and completing the date. I called the number she had given me and it should have been no surprise that it didn't work. Shame on her for ripping me off; shame on me for being so gullible.

If this was a football rivalry(the Mongers vs. the SWs?), then this is like a scouting report on a new offensive play being employed by the opposition. It’s a pretty good play. What did I learn from this? Something I thought I knew already: NEVER, EVER let a SW cop with your dough before the date is finished, even if it’s a variation of that, and half of the date is finished, no matter how sweet and pleasant and convincing she is.

PS: Danielle allowed me to take a few pics with the understanding that I didn’t post them on the internet. I guess she wasn’t thinking that one through very thoroughly prior to ripping me off. I would normally have been true to my word on this, but fuck you darlin’. What goes around comes around. Payback is a biatch!

Here are a few pics of her so you can be forewarned of this variation of the old “I need to cop before the date” ploy.

Cephlapod Love
05-21-10, 15:03
Sorry for you bad experience. I think from time to time we all have one of those.

But I thank you for taking time to post and share it. This is the value of this site - some intel on who are the bad dates or ones to avoid.

Your misfortune combined with your report is a good service.

Here's to hoping your future dates are better!


There were so many clues. I should have known better. In hindsight there were many things I could have been smarter about. It is so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback about the whole thing, step by step. But, when the little head is doing the thinking, and you let your guard down with a sly, drug-addicted SW, you can get snookered.

The date started out fine. Danielle was smiling, vibrant and cheerful. I had every expectation she would be fun. I began by suggesting an indoor date because I was in the mood for FS. She wanted to cop first. I wasn’t having any parts of that. She said it would be a lot more fun if she could cop first because she would feel less anxious and would feel less pressured for time and we could relax and enjoy ourselves. She was convincing, but I still wasn’t having any of it. She finally said we could go park for the suck half and then later go for the fuck half indoors, if she could cop in between. I still was hesitant, but she said the place she had to go was just a block off the K and not dangerous, she would be in and out in 5 minutes, and not bring any stuff to my car. Not only that, but she promised that it would be the absolute best fuck of my life. She wore down my resistance and was lovably convincing if such is even conceivable in a SW.

So, off we went to park for the first half of our date. She actually did do a pretty good sucking job. Maybe that was her incentive to set me up for stage two. On the way back she mentioned that she had a phone that was always in working order, unlike the other girls on the Ave and had her own place where we could go in the future when her roomie wasn’t there, and she even had a car, so we could meet at prearranged notels in the future. All of this was quite smooth and put me at ease. All I can say is that she had her act down pat and it is damn good 'cause I believed her.

After the deed we parked near the place she was going to cop. I told her I would pay her for half the date so she could cop and the other half when the date was completely over. She pleaded for the whole amount, promising very earnestly that she would be right back and that she really wanted to continue the date and have more fun. Her plea was very convincing. At this moment I had all the leverage. But this was the moment where I turned soft, caved and was conned.

I once saw a movie about con artists and the con was explained this way: the person conning you does not give you his/her confidence; you give him/her your confidence. Why do you so willingly do that?: because you get something out of it. What did I get out of this transaction?: I got to feel good that I was doing her a favor and I was going to get great sex as a result. I was naïve and I was greedy and I am experienced enough to know a LOT better. At least I got my cock sucked. It just cost me a lot more than that for which I had bargained.

As I sat there and the time passed, I was thinking to myself what an ass I was. She had the money. She had nothing more to gain by returning. She had conned me into thinking that she actually thought a future good date relationship was worth returning for and completing the date. I called the number she had given me and it should have been no surprise that it didn't work. Shame on her for ripping me off; shame on me for being so gullible.

If this was a football rivalry(the Mongers vs. the SWs?), then this is like a scouting report on a new offensive play being employed by the opposition. It’s a pretty good play. What did I learn from this? Something I thought I knew already: NEVER, EVER let a SW cop with your dough before the date is finished, even if it’s a variation of that, and half of the date is finished, no matter how sweet and pleasant and convincing she is.

PS: Danielle allowed me to take a few pics with the understanding that I didn’t post them on the internet. I guess she wasn’t thinking that one through very thoroughly prior to ripping me off. I would normally have been true to my word on this, but fuck you darlin’. What goes around comes around. Payback is a biatch!

Here are a few pics of her so you can be forewarned of this variation of the old “I need to cop before the date” ploy.

Butch50
01-11-11, 20:06
Isn't that Darlene? Did you happen to see if she had name tatooed on her belly? If so, it's a shame to see her sinking like that.

LurkingDog
01-12-11, 00:01
Mad Monger. I also thank you for relating your tale and educating others to the intricacies of mongering. Can you help me out with the abbreviation "cop"? I've RTFF and even looked under Jackson's abbreviations and I can't find what this stands for?

Thanks,

LD

Member #5237
01-12-11, 00:27
Mad Monger. I also thank you for relating your tale and educating others to the intricacies of mongering. Can you help me out with the abbreviation "cop"? I've RTFF and even looked under Jackson's abbreviations and I can't find what this stands for?

Thanks,

LDThis is probably in reference to a SW wanting to "cop a fix" of her drugs while she is with you.

Davey1965
01-12-11, 08:23
Isn't that Darlene? Did you happen to see if she had name tatooed on her belly? If so, it's a shame to see her sinking like that.No that's not Darlene. Danielle used to hang out by little Lou's

Indulgent
01-13-11, 03:54
Sorry, I hope you won't take this the wrong way but you are an idiot. Maybe I have some insight because I used to "cop" and I now have radar for anything slightly illogical let alone the complete bullshit you were fed. I know the other mongers here are sympathetic, but I think you need to hear it this way. Just a hunch I suppose. Next time you could get robbed or shot. Don't trust an addict. They are not very bright and only care about one thing. She would have followed you to a dark alley in the next town over if you bothered to with hold her dough. I do sympathize with you though. I have done worse. Much worse in fact. But someone else was there to tell me to stop being an idiot.

GL

CookyJar
01-13-11, 09:09
...Can you help me out with the abbreviation "cop"? Thanks,

LDFrom Urban Dictionary:

Cop: to get. Receive. Purchase, steal or have.

Useage: Yo I'm about to cop some dope, want some?

(I thought everybody knew this one. For the record, you can also "Cop a feel," meaning to grab a girls ass or breast.

LOL)

CookyJar

Davey1965
01-13-11, 09:58
Isn't that Darlene? Did you happen to see if she had name tatooed on her belly? If so, it's a shame to see her sinking like that.No that wasn't Darlene. Danielle used to hang around little Lou's. The other SW'ers also had issues with her as well, she would always be trying to beat out other girls from their dates. Back in the spring of 2010 I was dating a girl Carissa who was staying at Ivans place. Normally I would just call the house and date her there (convenient and safe for me) but once I saw her at little Lou's and figured I'd pull over. Not realizing when I pulled over almost a block later that when my door opened Danielle jumped in. I looked at the a bit stunned and told her I was waiting for Carissa and that she needed to leave. She then started in with trashing Carissa and begging me to date her instead. About this time Carissa came up to the door and Danielle with a bit of resistance finally got out.

So after that incident I never picked up Danielle, but she then always acted like she knew me, would do the wave, yell out Hi Dave and be insistent everytime I pulled over that I should let her in my car and even tell other girls that I was stopping for her and not them. What a royal pain in the ass she was, glad I haven't seen her for a while now.

Butch50
01-13-11, 12:10
No that wasn't Darlene. Danielle used to hang around little Lou's. The other SW'ers also had issues with her as well, she would always be trying to beat out other girls from their dates. Back in the spring of 2010 I was dating a girl Carissa who was staying at Ivans place. Normally I would just call the house and date her there (convenient and safe for me) but once I saw her at little Lou's and figured I'd pull over. Not realizing when I pulled over almost a block later that when my door opened Danielle jumped in. I looked at the a bit stunned and told her I was waiting for Carissa and that she needed to leave. She then started in with trashing Carissa and begging me to date her instead. About this time Carissa came up to the door and Danielle with a bit of resistance finally got out.

So after that incident I never picked up Danielle, but she then always acted like she knew me, would do the wave, yell out Hi Dave and be insistent everytime I pulled over that I should let her in my car and even tell other girls that I was stopping for her and not them. What a royal pain in the ass she was, glad I haven't seen her for a while now. I'm glad it wasn't Darlene. I hope she is getting over her illness, it's been a while since I last saw her and remember she was getting the worse for wear. (Don't they all?) Darlene was a good girl at heart, and I hope she got out. Danielle sounds like a real PITA.

Thanks for sharing the heads up info.

HungryCoyote
12-10-11, 08:57
Getting a date withe her was always a challenge, but when it finally happened, It was worth the effort. Not any more. I called and set up an all nighter. Went to pick her up at her step dad's place. She made sure to get the $100 stashed away before telling me her next date was in 2 hours. After a little arguing, I realized I had been conned. My options were walk away, without my money, or do a quickee in the back room. I figured I should try and get something for my money. Took of my jacket and went to the bathroom to piss. Nothing like finding the "boyfriend" hiding behind the shower curtain. I told her to get rid of him so we could have our date. They step outside to chat. He comes back in. She is gone. I waited 15 min to see if she was coming back. Then I left. Did not see to many options.

Just because you have a great date once, don't let your guard down.

CookyJar
12-10-11, 11:01
WOW!!!


Getting a date withe her was always a challenge, but when it finally happened, It was worth the effort. Not any more. I called and set up an all nighter. Went to pick her up at her step dad's place. She made sure to get the $100 stashed away before telling me her next date was in 2 hours. After a little arguing, I realized I had been conned. My options were walk away, without my money, or do a quickee in the back room. I figured I should try and get something for my money. Took of my jacket and went to the bathroom to piss. Nothing like finding the "boyfriend" hiding behind the shower curtain. I told her to get rid of him so we could have our date. They step outside to chat. He comes back in. She is gone. I waited 15 min to see if she was coming back. Then I left. Did not see to many options.

Just because you have a great date once, don't let your guard down.Hottie Nicole has been a sexual staple on Kensington Avenue for a couple of years now. She was working for Bishop but, I believe she may have recently changed handlers. She has been reviewed on USASexGuide by me and a few other mongers. Most of her previous reviews range from OK to great. She has a number of pictures available. Are we talking about the same girl?

HungryCoyote, I truly hate saying this but, it begs saying. There is no fool like an old fool. Short of having a gun pointed at my head, there is no way I am giving a StreetWalker $100 up front. That is beyond a rookie mistake. Why you would hand her a dime while at her place, in her surroundings where she is in control, is mind boggling. Were you drunk, high or both?

Were you planning of doing the all nighter at her step dad's place? No way! Rookie mistake number two. Stinks of a set-up. Most pimps will not allow this type of thing to happen at their place. You could, if you wanted too, go back and retaliate. Why would a well known pimp, jeopardize his place of business?

I've heard of guys being taken, under similar circumstances when dating a BP girl or escort at their hotel room But, at her step dads place, with a StreetWalker, what were you thinking.

No disrespect intended but, you let more than your guard down. Be careful out there.

CookyJar

Gator145
12-10-11, 12:38
I did a post on Rip Offs a while back. In particular Krazie Katie. She is now hanging behind Little Lous where it is dark and where she works the best. To all of you that may come in contact with this nut job, avoid her. Plain and simple. She is still as aggressive as always and will not hesitate to harm you. She also frequents the block past Ontario toward Tioga. Again a not well lit area. Be very very careful. You would be better off dating a pitt bull.


Hottie Nicole has been a sexual staple on Kensington Avenue for a couple of years now. She was working for Bishop but, I believe she may have recently changed handlers. She has been reviewed on USASexGuide by me and a few other mongers. Most of her previous reviews range from OK to great. She has a number of pictures available. Are we talking about the same girl?

HungryCoyote, I truly hate saying this but, it begs saying. There is no fool like an old fool. Short of having a gun pointed at my head, there is no way I am giving a StreetWalker $100 up front. That is beyond a rookie mistake. Why you would hand her a dime while at her place, in her surroundings where she is in control, is mind boggling. Were you drunk, high or both?

Were you planning of doing the all nighter at her step dad's place? No way! Rookie mistake number two. Stinks of a set-up. Most pimps will not allow this type of thing to happen at their place. You could, if you wanted too, go back and retaliate. Why would a well known pimp, jeopardize his place of business?

I've heard of guys being taken, under similar circumstances when dating a BP girl or escort at their hotel room But, at her step dads place, with a StreetWalker, what were you thinking.

No disrespect intended but, you let more than your guard down. Be careful out there.

CookyJar

Runner8
12-10-11, 16:26
Thanks for the heads up. What does she look like?


I did a post on Rip Offs a while back. In particular Krazie Katie. She is now hanging behind Little Lous where it is dark and where she works the best. To all of you that may come in contact with this nut job, avoid her. Plain and simple. She is still as aggressive as always and will not hesitate to harm you. She also frequents the block past Ontario toward Tioga. Again a not well lit area. Be very very careful. You would be better off dating a pitt bull.

Lemmesee
12-11-11, 01:59
I think he is talking about this other girl he dubbed "hotter Nicole " and not about "hottie Nicole " she doesn't do overnight stays, I know, I tried.

HungryCoyote
12-11-11, 02:36
No, this was the blond I met at Church's Chicken.

What doesn't kill me makes me smarter? I hope so.

We were supposed to do the all nighter at my hotel like the previous date. On that date, I was going to do a half hour at her hotel. Due to the boyfriend, we ended up at my hotel and she stayed the night for the half hour rate. So I was into a false sense of security. It was not until she had the money that she said I agreed to just a short date.

I did not suspect a setup cause I thought she wanted to introduce me to her mom and stepdad. I have met a date's mom before.

So here is a question. With many escorts, you put the donation on the table pre-date. Which rules do you follow if the girl is a BP who sometimes streetwalks? Either way, they got me.

Non taken. I agree. My guard was down. All I was thinking about was how great that first date had been. Hell, she even bought me breakfast. I am a slow learner, but I do learn. :)


CookyJar

Are we talking about the same girl?

There is no fool like an old fool.

Were you planning of doing the all nighter at her step dad's place? Stinks of a set-up.

I've heard of guys being taken, under similar circumstances when dating a BP girl or escort at their hotel room But, at her step dads place, with a StreetWalker, what were you thinking.

No disrespect intended but, you let more than your guard down. Be careful out there.

CookyJar

Sam Iam
12-11-11, 11:18
No, this was the blond I met at Church's Chicken.

What doesn't kill me makes me smarter? I hope so.

We were supposed to do the all nighter at my hotel like the previous date. On that date, I was going to do a half hour at her hotel. Due to the boyfriend, we ended up at my hotel and she stayed the night for the half hour rate. So I was into a false sense of security. It was not until she had the money that she said I agreed to just a short date.

I did not suspect a setup cause I thought she wanted to introduce me to her mom and stepdad. I have met a date's mom before.

So here is a question. With many escorts, you put the donation on the table pre-date. Which rules do you follow if the girl is a BP who sometimes streetwalks? Either way, they got me.

Non taken. I agree. My guard was down. All I was thinking about was how great that first date had been. Hell, she even bought me breakfast. I am a slow learner, but I do learn. .You might not like my answer but it is an honest one. I doubt I would date a BP gal who might streetwalk. BP gals have plenty of clients and will want much more for an all nighter. The gals I have slept with for the night are usually met through reliable contacts. Still when I meet them I will date them several times to the point that there is trust and no longer money upfront. The word is observe, trust and really get to know them. If you feel something wrong in your gut trust it. Also hide your wallet, don't give her an open invitation. Hope this helps, it is my honest opinion and you don't have to agree.

Gator145
12-11-11, 14:39
Thanks for the heads up. What does she look like?Ok here I go with one of my talents that is less than perfect. Runner asked what Krazie Katie looks like. She is about 5ft 01" maybe 5ft 02". Her hair is almost shoulder length straight not curly. She is chubby leaning toward fat but not huge. She has a real rough surface, sort of weathered as if she has been around a while which she has. She is not at all attractive. She always has a crazed look in her eyes, not a get high look if there is one but a look that says you're toast. When she looks at you it seems like her wheels are already spinning as to how she is going to take everything you have. As stated, she has been hanging on the street in back of Lous at Venango. Also by the factory steps just past that street. When she isn't there she can be found on either side of the K just past the 7 11 toward Tioga. I wish I was better at descriptions but this is the best I have to offer.

So keeping the above in mind if anyone out there makes a mistake let that mistake be on the side of caution. That is especially true with women like Krazie Katie. Stay well and always be safe.

CookyJar
12-11-11, 14:58
No, this was the blond I met at Church's Chicken.
I am so glad that the distinction has been made. We wouldn’t want Hottie Nicole to get the blame for something she did not do.

…What doesn't kill me makes me smarter? I hope so.
Stay safe HungryCoyote, you are one of the good guys and we need you here with us – among the living. Still, I have to say; IMHO, what you did was amateurish. Not too worry! I have done some pretty amateurish things myself. We all have. But, a $100 lost, WOW, that’s a bit much. For a $100, somebody had better come up with something. Shit! Was her mother still around? LOL

…We were supposed to do the all nighter at my hotel like the previous date. On that date, I was going to do a half hour at her hotel. Due to the boyfriend, we ended up at my hotel and she stayed the night for the half hour rate. So I was into a false sense of security. It was not until she had the money that she said I agreed to just a short date.

I don’t do escorts or BP dates from the internet. I have dated a few streetwalkers who also worked as escorts and BP girls. I follow the rule: “Stay with what you know.” I know the streets and do pretty well there. What worries me personally, about internet dating, is “Bait and switch.” My second biggest worry would be what I think happened to you. You gave up control of the upper hand. As long as he can keep his little head in line, the monger always starts out with the stronger move.

I am a chess player. White always moves first and therefore always starts with an advantage. In chess, white tries to keep that advantage for as long as he can. The same goes in the game we play with our dates. StreetWalkers will often ask for their money up front. I reply with a stern, “No.” If she persists and I really want her, I’ll try to come up with a compromise. Nothing changes hand until we both agree on the compromise and on what is to take place. I lay everything out, in black and white, all the cards on the table, leave no chance for mistakes. For example; in my case, no completely nude pictures or pictures without complete head shots are a deal breaker. (I include a secondary deal for more only if I am satisfied with what I see and the impression I get while taking the pictures.) In your (HungryCoyote) case, you should have established upfront that you wanted nothing less than an all nighter and that anything less was a deal breaker. Even with an AFT, a girl I’ve date many times I reestablish certain things. And I always ask, “You are not in a hurry are you?”

As the player with the opening play, I try to keep that advantage for as long as possible. First I will offer a split; she gets a portion now and the rest on completion. And, nothing changes hand until she is naked. If once she is nude and I perceive the possibility of a good time, I will imply a possible bonus if she will hold off and let me make that determination. Besides for being a chess player, I am a businessman. I make deals. In chess and in business I always start off with a plan, set rules and areas I will not breach. When I say, “No,” I mean “No.” I once took a girl all the way to the Carlisle, paid for the room and when she insisted on pay up front, I gave her the lousy $20 and drove her sad ass back to Kensington Ave. I made sure, on the ride back, that I told her what she could have gotten if she had been willing to compromise a little. Now when she sees me, she waves and jumps in front of my car trying to get another date.

In chess, in business and on the street, I keep one thing in mind – never take it too serious – it is only a game. There is always another move, another deal and another girl right up the road. Life is too short to be worrying about the ones that got away. I always assume that I am the better player, the more skilled player and the better negotiator. I hate believing that a streetwalker can better me, but it has happened.

…I did not suspect a setup cause I thought she wanted to introduce me to her mom and stepdad. I have met a date's mom before.

So here is a question. With many escorts, you put the donation on the table pre-date. Which rules do you follow if the girl is a BP who sometimes streetwalks? Either way, they got me…

There are some things that are true whether it is an Escort, BP girl or Streetwalker.

I always suspect a setup. Like in chess, I think ahead for all possible outcomes. Never carry more than you are willing to lose in a pinch. If you are at her place always ask to use the bathroom to take a piss. It is okay to show her the money if she insists on knowing whether you have enough money, but, keep it in your pocket. Beware of pick pockets. I was once pick pocketed while getting a BJ. (It happened once, just once.) Once she knows you have the money, once she sees it, she is not likely going to let you leave with it. Nothing changes hand (leaves your pocket) until she has undressed. If she has to leave for anything, the money stays in the room. All negotiating is done before the exchange is made. The girls are relying on a couple of things. Number one is that you are thinking with your little head. Number two is that you’ve come too far to turn around. Number three, you are gullible. If she is not willing to wait or compromise, and you give her the money, she now has the upper hand and you best know one thing for certain; once she has the money you are not going to get it back without a fight.

CookyJar

Milo96
12-11-11, 16:15
No, this was the blond I met at Church's Chicken.Hungry. Live and Learn. It's only cash, your safe, your not busted, just a little more humble. Thanks for the insight so we all can learn from your experience.

The blonde near churches hmm- I can't place her. There's an older blonde but she has been there forever. A pretty hot young blonde? Most of the girls walk that whole block next to the Car Dealer, DD, School.

I know it's painful but can you elaborate on her description.

Everyone stay safe.

Milo

Love To Monger
12-11-11, 22:24
I had 40$ picked from my pocket on a car date. 10 years earlier it was 10$. Inflation I guess.

LTM

Love To Monger
12-11-11, 22:28
Never give up the money. Never let them choose the spot. It can be hard. Especially if we think we "know" the girl. Fact is these girls have their own agenda. And we are not their priority.

LTM.

HungryCoyote
12-12-11, 09:56
25, about 5'5" slim, a cups, medium length, blond hair. Usually wears knee high, spike heel, brown boots. Moved here from Texas six months ago.

Boyfriend drives a blue Sante Fe.

QUOTE=Milo96; 1335971] Can you elaborate on her description.

Everyone stay safe.

Milo[/QUOTE]

Fbtom
12-16-11, 17:38
Ok here I go with one of my talents that is less than perfect. Runner asked what Krazie Katie looks like. She is about 5ft 01" maybe 5ft 02". Her hair is almost shoulder length straight not curly. She is chubby leaning toward fat but not huge. She has a real rough surface, sort of weathered as if she has been around a while which she has. She is not at all attractive. She always has a crazed look in her eyes, not a get high look if there is one but a look that says you're toast. When she looks at you it seems like her wheels are already spinning as to how she is going to take everything you have. As stated, she has been hanging on the street in back of Lous at Venango. Also by the factory steps just past that street. When she isn't there she can be found on either side of the K just past the 7 11 toward Tioga. I wish I was better at descriptions but this is the best I have to offer.

So keeping the above in mind if anyone out there makes a mistake let that mistake be on the side of caution. That is especially true with women like Krazie Katie. Stay well and always be safe.Here is the pic I snapped of her after my bad experience with her last year. Funny is that I had seen her out just about every time I'm in the area lately. She was dressed up one of those times, so she doesn't always look this bad.

I had a new girl in my car once when we passed Katie. I had to warn her that Katie is known to be aggressive and to watch her back if she is nearby.

We had previously called her Bad Katie, but I think that Krazie Katie might be an appropriate description as well. Just don't get near her. She is potentially dangerous.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96797&d=1269915204

Hunterspeak17
12-18-11, 23:02
I recall dating her once, a few years ago. Head was pretty good, until I felt the hands reaching into my pockets. Ended it quickly and dropped her back off. She always has a sour puss "just sucked a lemon" look on her face. Best feature on her is her booty. But certainly NOT worth risking. She will try to upsell and / or run your pockets.


Here is the pic I snapped of her after my bad experience with her last year. Funny is that I had seen her out just about every time I'm in the area lately. She was dressed up one of those times, so she doesn't always look this bad.

I had a new girl in my car once when we passed Katie. I had to warn her that Katie is known to be aggressive and to watch her back if she is nearby.

We had previously called her Bad Katie, but I think that Krazie Katie might be an appropriate description as well. Just don't get near her. She is potentially dangerous.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96797&d=1269915204

Vms124
12-21-11, 05:22
I had the same experience with this girl. Long time ago. Thought she is not in the street anymore because she got pregnant.


I recall dating her once, a few years ago. Head was pretty good, until I felt the hands reaching into my pockets. Ended it quickly and dropped her back off. She always has a sour puss "just sucked a lemon" look on her face. Best feature on her is her booty. But certainly NOT worth risking. She will try to upsell and / or run your pockets.

HungryCoyote
12-21-11, 07:18
If you are talking about the one that fbtom posted a pic of, she is still on the street. I had an encounter with her last week. When I tried to pick up Joy, she came running up to my car and asking if I wanted a BJ, loud enough for anyone standing around to hear. I said I just wanted to talk to the other girl, (who I had made eye contact with). Then she tried to get me to take both of them. She is quite annoying.


I had the same experience with this girl. Long time ago. Thought she is not in the street anymore because she got pregnant.

Gator145
12-21-11, 10:11
If you are talking about the one that fbtom posted a pic of, she is still on the street. I had an encounter with her last week. When I tried to pick up Joy, she came running up to my car and asking if I wanted a BJ, loud enough for anyone standing around to hear. I said I just wanted to talk to the other girl, (who I had made eye contact with). Then she tried to get me to take both of them. She is quite annoying.It is good the word is getting out on Krazie Katie. Best part is that fbtom has a picture of her. It would be a plus if that pic was posted in this area for all to see. Maybe she will get the message and leave the area or change her ways. It is doubtful she will do either.

Although I can't be sure, I think she is trying to get other girls to work the same way as she does. I have seen her "teaming" up and offering two for one. So it is imperative that we remain committed to keeping people like this in the spotlight so as to try to prevent her from doing any more damage than she has already done. Anytime a monger has a bad experience with anybody on the Ave be sure and post it so that others can avoid a similar situation. There is no shame in being a victim. For everybody out there please have a safe and happy holiday.

HungryCoyote
12-24-11, 10:07
Last week I got a text from Nicole asking if I would buy her food stamps because it would really help her out. Oh boy, I guess this means we are still friends, yah! Being the gentleman that I am, I did not tell her that I thought she was lower than whale turds. I just said I would like to help her out but I was out of town. I guess she thought she could keep going to the sucker well. Then every other day I get one asking if I was around for a date. So the other night, I was sitting in South Texas bored as usual. I thought this is a good time for a date with Nicole.

I sent her a text saying I was back in town, had been working hard and making money. I still wanted a repeat of that great all nighter we had and how much did she need to make it happen. She asked if I could do 150 and that she was really dope sick.

I said Sure plus a nice tip in the morning if it was as good as the first time.

I could feel a nibble on my line. I said I just checked in to my hotel. I asked where she wanted me to pick her up. I was expecting a repeat of the bf in the shower at the parents place. She said she wanted to meet close to my hotel and where was it. I told her it was in Mount Laurel, NJ and we could meet at Mc Donalds. This was better than I expected. She said she would be there in about an hour. I figured she was planning on using the "I have to pay my driver (bf) before he will leave" line. 90 minutes later, I get a text that they are here. I waited half an hour. I did not think they would leave right away. Every ten minutes she texted to see where I was. I said I was on my way because I went out for condoms and cigs (for her, I don't smoke). Said I'd be there in 15 min. In 20, I get a text that "driver" is getting pissed. Waited 10 more min, then sent this.

Nicole, sorry, change of plans. Got a call from one of my regulars. Picked her up instead. Won't be needing your services tonight.

No more texts. Many phone calls. Turned rigger off and went to bed. In morning voice mail was full. Only listened to first one. Made me smile to hear the anger in her voice. I just hope that she really was very dope sick. The silly twit, to stupid to realize how much more money she would have received from me in the long run if she did the right thing. She knows I am big on repeat dating. Anyway, It's the simple pleasures that make life fun.

Love To Monger
12-24-11, 20:34
Precious, Coyote. Precious.

Butch50
12-25-11, 13:05
Outstanding.

Cephlapod Love
12-25-11, 13:10
Anytime a monger has a bad experience with anybody on the Ave be sure and post it so that others can avoid a similar situation. There is no shame in being a victim. For everybody out there please have a safe and happy holiday.BINGO! That is the purpose of these boards. Share info good or bad. Hey, everyone, has bad dates or runs into new scam routines by these girls. We all start somewhere and the occasional bad date or bad experience is normal. It is how we learn. Show me a long-time monger that has NEVER had a bad date or bad situation and I'll show you a bald faced liar.

So post away!

Fhjims124
12-26-11, 01:43
I had a bad run in with Katie about a month / 5 weeks ago. Near the 7-11 on the Ave. She was standing on the corner of the intersection when I saw her. I made a pass by and picked her up. We drove around the block and she told me we could use her place and stupid me agreed to it. We got indoors and went up stairs and she asked for the money I gave it to her and she said she had to use the restroom / latrine in my parlance. I waited for 5 minutes and she never came out. Told me I had to leave so since I am not looking for any trouble I left and found a Regular who I have been dating for years told her what happened and what I did about it. Mistake I made was letting her pick the venue where she wanted to go. But I got her back I carry two sets of money real bills and fake ones. The fake ones came from Iraq when I was there in 2005-2006. She got the fake ones so I played her GOOD. A week goes by and I see her on the corner. I rolled down the window and she came up. All I said in my normal tone of voice How Do You Like Fake Money *****. She looked at me and started to curse at me so I drove off and went to my friend Liz's home near Bridge and Pratt Area. By the way I have been mongering for over a decade 16 years now and this Is my first post to this site.

Cookie Jar is the MAN and Love the pictures SIR.

Good Hunting Fellow Mongers.

SSG. USAArmy Ret.

Alpha Co. 1st Battalion / 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment / 3rd Brigade Panthers.

82nd Airborne Division.

Operation Enduring Freedom October 2002-September 2003.

Operation Iraqi Freedom September 2005-June 2006.

Disability Ret. July 1, 2007.

HOOAAAHHHH!

HungryCoyote
12-26-11, 07:45
When Katie tries to get you to take two girls, it is often without the other girl's knowledge. When I was trying to pick up Joy, Katie said that they were real good friends and preferred to work together. I later asked joy about that. She knew nothing about that, had no desire to work with her and said she barely knew her.


Although I can't be sure, I think she is trying to get other girls to work the same way as she does. I have seen her "teaming" up and offering two for one.

CookyJar
12-26-11, 10:00
. I have been mongering for over a decade 16 years now and this Is my first post to this site.Thanks for your service.

CookyJar

Love To Monger
12-27-11, 00:54
I may have noticed a pattern. When a girl selects the second. The first girl tries to kick back and let

(make) the second girl do all the work. You really need to be on your game when hanging out with two. Too much concentration for me. And its not just the performance. There being two of them, it is easier for them to distract you. Thereby end up loosing hopefully just your cigarettes. And not your cash as well.

Vms124
01-16-12, 00:37
Passedby the K on Friday afternoon as dictated by my little head, I drove up and down couple of times but unfortunately I only saw scammer Kate mentioned in this thread. I skept the first time I saw her because of the past reviews and experience that I had with her before. The second time I saw her my little head completely dominated the big. She smiled at me, it came to my mind that she probably changed, my little head wants to test and really wants to kiss girls lips so I let her hop in to my car. We talked, she was nice, agreed for. 2 BBBJ. After we finished the business she asked me to drive her up to Tioga stn. When we were there, suddenly she asked another. 2 because she probably saw my other money when I got the. 2 in my pocket (another big mistake) and I said I already gave her what we agreed.

She said she is not going to get out of the car until I give her the other. 2. WTF. She also said she is going to get the attention of the police if she sees one passby. I tried to drive away from the K but she grabbed the steering wheel, until I was forced to park again on the side. I was nervous of possible accident I would create if I continue driving and was also scared of the attention / street show if she really call the police, never been in trouble with cops in my entire life other than traffic tickets which I always fully paid. But inspite of the situation I was determined that I will not give her the money that she was asking for. So, I grabbed all my important stuff, my work phone, ho phone, laptop and my nice jacket. I went out of my car, walked towards Tayoga stn where she woudn't see me then I waited until she got out of my car. I know she totally ransack my car, because I saw the back seat folded and my stuff on the third row got messed up. By the way I was confident that there was no valuable stuff in the car when I left her inside (I admit it was another stupidity when I left her inside my car).

Luckilly, she didn't break anything in my car. Or probably I didn't find it yet. So, fellow mongers do yourself a favor, avoid picking up scammer Kate if you don't want to get in trouble. Be safe.

Vms

This is the Kate I was talking about, just to make sure you fellows recognize her.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96797&d=1269915204

JerryGarcia
01-16-12, 00:59
Passedby the K on Friday afternoon as dictated by my little head, I drove up and down couple of times but unfortunately I only saw scammer Kate mentioned in this thread. I skept the first time I saw her because of the past reviews and experience that I had with her before. The second time I saw her my little head completely dominated the big. She smiled at me, it came to my mind that she probably changed, my little head wants to test and really wants to kiss girls lips so I let her hop in to my car. We talked, she was nice, agreed for. 2 BBBJ. After we finished the business she asked me to drive her up to Tioga stn. When we were there, suddenly she asked another. 2 because she probably saw my other money when I got the. 2 in my pocket (another big mistake) and I said I already gave her what we agreed.

She said she is not going to get out of the car until I give her the other. 2. WTF. She also said she is going to get the attention of the police if she sees one passby. I tried to drive away from the K but she grabbed the steering wheel, until I was forced to park again on the side. I was nervous of possible accident I would create if I continue driving and was also scared of the attention / street show if she really call the police, never been in trouble with cops in my entire life other than traffic tickets which I always fully paid. But inspite of the situation I was determined that I will not give her the money that she was asking for. So, I grabbed all my important stuff, my work phone, ho phone, laptop and my nice jacket. I went out of my car, walked towards Tayoga stn where she woudn't see me then I waited until she got out of my car. I know she totally ransack my car, because I saw the back seat folded and my stuff on the third row got messed up. By the way I was confident that there was no valuable stuff in the car when I left her inside (I admit it was another stupidity when I left her inside my car).

Luckilly, she didn't break anything in my car. Or probably I didn't find it yet. So, fellow mongers do yourself a favor, avoid picking up scammer Kate if you don't want to get in trouble. Be safe.

Vms.

This is the Kate I was talking about, just to make sure you fellows recognize her.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96797&d=1269915204First of all-this girl has been a nightmare and a bad date for at least 10 years. I dated her way back, when she actually was very good looking-even then, she was a lousy date and a pain in the ass to deal with.

There have been numerous reviews posted of her in the past year, warning of the exact same scenario that you went through. I suggest that you read up on this board as to how to properly handle the situation when a girl either refuses to get out of the car or demands money. You called her "scammer Kate (Katie)"-she is more like "bad news Katie". Back in December, YOU posted that you had once had a bad experience with her--why in the world would you think something had changed.

You made the mistake of not realizing that YOU ARE IN CONTROL and YOU have the upper hand. The previous mongers who had the same problem called her bluff--you let this little piece of crap intimidate you and psych you out.

If you don't quickly learn how to handle yourself when visiting Kensington to pick up hookers, then you could end up with a lot worse problem than getting arrested.

This is serious, life and death shit. You are in a high-crime, drug-infested area where one dumb-ass move could easily lead to the end of your life.

Go back and read the 22 Rules for mongering, or whatever it is called--you need to wake up fast, bro.

The absolute worst thing to do was to leave your vehicle-you are so lucky that it wasn't severely damaged. If you have a wife or SO, how would you explain the insurance claim that you would have had to file?

Again-read the reports on this site about how to handle situations like this:

From the great SuperE.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?5976-Supereloquent-s-Reports-Philadelphia&p=966303&highlight=Katie#post966303

From fbtom.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4137-Streetwalker-Reports&p=966269&highlight=Katie#post966269

HungryCoyote
01-16-12, 09:22
Even on the slowest days, there are always better looking, better dates than Bad Katie.

Vms124
01-18-12, 05:38
I agree. I need to break a little. I learned a lot from this forum, but I guess it is different if you're in actual situation. I learned a lot from this experience. Thanks all for your advices.


First of all-this girl has been a nightmare and a bad date for at least 10 years. I dated her way back, when she actually was very good looking-even then, she was a lousy date and a pain in the ass to deal with.

There have been numerous reviews posted of her in the past year, warning of the exact same scenario that you went through. I suggest that you read up on this board as to how to properly handle the situation when a girl either refuses to get out of the car or demands money. You called her "scammer Kate (Katie)"-she is more like "bad news Katie". Back in December, YOU posted that you had once had a bad experience with her-why in the world would you think something had changed.

You made the mistake of not realizing that YOU ARE IN CONTROL and YOU have the upper hand. The previous mongers who had the same problem called her bluff-you let this little piece of crap intimidate you and psych you out.

If you don't quickly learn how to handle yourself when visiting Kensington to pick up hookers, then you could end up with a lot worse problem than getting arrested.

This is serious, life and death shit. You are in a high-crime, drug-infested area where one dumb-ass move could easily lead to the end of your life.

Go back and read the 22 Rules for mongering, or whatever it is called-you need to wake up fast, bro.

The absolute worst thing to do was to leave your vehicle-you are so lucky that it wasn't severely damaged. If you have a wife or SO, how would you explain the insurance claim that you would have had to file?

Again-read the reports on this site about how to handle situations like this:

From the great SuperE.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?5976-Supereloquent-s-Reports-Philadelphia&p=966303&highlight=Katie#post966303

From fbtom.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?4137-Streetwalker-Reports&p=966269&highlight=Katie#post966269

Cephlapod Love
01-29-12, 13:12
I agree. I need to break a little. I learned a lot from this forum, but I guess it is different if you're in actual situation. I learned a lot from this experience. Thanks all for your advices.Ah not to be critical but a few suggestions.

Why would one be out mongering with their cell phone, work cell, monger phone, laptop, brief case and other valuables out in the passenger compartment of the car, let alone in the car at all? Lock that stuff in the trunk or leave it at home! [er. Unless you have an inside the compartment truck release. ]

I guess it is safe to assume that most girls if tempted are going to have wandering hands so avoid leaving money out or reachable while she has you completely under her spell. So keep money segregated: have only enough for the date you want in your pocket and hide the rest. This will help sharpen negotiating skills too, since you NEVER want to dip into the "other" funds while she is there. She'll demand more.

If the girl gets funky on her, toss her out of the car! I once had a girl pull that stuff on me, negotiations broke down and she wanted money just to get out of the car. I drove into a busy gas station. Parked the car and took the key and walked to the passenger door, opened it and in a VERY LOUD voice said,"Please get out of my car!" I had to escalate the volume and eventually that caught the attention of others there and created a scene which cause her to get out. Maybe not the best move, but a previous poster was right. you need to take control! Shoot, call her bluff and drive to the police substation. The cops know her and that she's on the street, just make sure she doesn't "drop" in your car.

First part of successful mongering is to think with the big head before thinking with the little head, especially when Jr wants to drive. Every guy that posts here has his own set of rules and procedures he uses to stay safe. Perhaps it is a time for some upgrades with yours?

Learn from this lesson. You were lucky it didn't work out differently! So use to it go forward wiser and safer!

GOOD LUCK!

MaximusCut
04-16-12, 16:37
Gentlemen mongers,

I am usually one those who take the good with the bad which comes our way while we indulge in our hobby. But I am compelled to describe my recent incident for sheer drama that unfolded.

I was in Philly this weekend for work and also to meet my cousin at Temple Univ. It was a nice balmy (though little wet) Sunday night and I was enjoying the pleasure of driving with my windows down, wind blowing my hair, and the music blowing my soul. I got done visiting my cousin at Temple by midnight and thought of swinging by the avenue to find someone nice to hang out at my 3 star hotel near airport. I was tired but didn't wanted to sleep, thus needed a reason to be awake. Calling my regulars didn't help as everyone was in deep slumber already.

While driving on avenue, as is evident from the recent reports from the regulars, our brothers in uniform were in full force, while the candy pickings were very slim. My car is little conspicuous and I didn't want to push my luck with the LE all around. Thus decided to have one make or break drive all the way south and go back to the hotel.

On Sergeant st, near the Jasper St crossing, I see someone who looks alright. I stop the car, she comes up, checks me out and comes inside. I see a good looking, oval face, with deep blue eyes (my poison) , clean white skin, proportionate body, about 5'5" in height, and dark hair. She wasn't wearing much makeup, so I could see a little rough face skin. She said her name is Jay, which I am sure was not the real name. I told her of my intention to go to my hotel to hang out for few hours and an offer or. 6. After little consideration, she agreed, saying that tonight is her night out after a long time. She mentioned she is 32 and has 4 kids, is from a large Italian family and gets a planned off from her family every week to come out to avenue. Sorry, I don't have a picture to accompany the story.

She was pretty good to talk to and we had lot of common interests (I mean, how often do you meet someone on avenue who can appreciate the movie "Usual Suspects"). It was way past midnight, and thus my brain was already in snooze mode and I made a cardinal mistake of not negotiating what was included in her services. *

Before we left, she did take me to a place to get her fix, taking half the promised amount from me, while leaving her bag & cell phone as collateral. When we reached hotel, she fixed her dose, and went to take a shower, coming out after 20 min. When I saw her wrapped in a fresh towel, then I realized she really had a great clean & slim body. Over the course of talking, I got to know she used to work at Bottoms up and later was a high priced escort operating out of Neshaminy Inn and other places. She got married young with a country singer living in Philly (and thought you can find that variety only in Nashville, LOL).

The talks continued and she started making plans for next set of dates, and how she wanted to hang out with me more & more (yeah, I do look THAT stupid!). On the other had she also kept telling that she was just a date and I was just a trick / customer.

The real drama started when the time came to become frisky. She declared I cannot touch her coochie with my fingers. Startled, I took that in stride, and asked how about a DATY. She totally backed off! Can't do that too. I ask, how about a kiss? She says, that's too emotional. WTF? Too emotional?

I do understand we all are this hobby for the grand finale, but for me, passion and connection is of very high priority. I didn't see any passion, even a mile away. By this point, I realized, the date is going too south and too fast. I was fast losing both my attention and the hardness. In interest of just finishing the whole damn business, I said just take off your t-shirt and let me jump straight to final round. She did take off her shirt and I saw that her left breast was of little different shape than the right. Possibly a botched boob job.

The final nail in the coffin came when I penetrated missionary and tried to hold her shoulders for balance. She says I cannot hold her shoulders or control her body like that.

If I die tomorrow, the only thing people will remember about me is that I was a very reasonable man. But this situation was beyond reason. I stood up, took the condom off and got dressed. She now realized that there is an acute danger to her remaining money and she could also be stranded so far away from her home base (though, I had no intention of doing any of that).

The moment both of us came into the car, her demeanor changed drastically to being the nasty ***** only a women of her class could be. She started shouting that her cop friend has already run my plates and she has all my info and I am going to jail (she was indeed talking to someone while in the bathroom, before we left the hotel). I didn't care much, so she toned up her antics and theater. My policy has always been that money temporary, but class and reputation is permanent. So, I tried to calm her that I have no intention of holding her remaining amount. That's too little to catch a fight with her or any of her lackies. But she was already on much higher brawl orbit and didn't stop pestering & peppering me the whole way.

Finally, we reached her spot and I dropped her, while being totally tempted to throw my coffee on her face. All her talk of her cop friend waiting for us and coming after me later on too, was well, just the talk of a stupid, scared, bitchy and nasty girl.

If there is any moral of the story, then that is the use of proper vetting process we employ before letting someone come in the car and during the negotiation. But, as I said before, every experience teaches us something about others as well as something about us too.

Thanks for reading and beware!

HungryCoyote
04-19-12, 07:28
If anyone has ever had a worse experience than this, I will be very surprised. I had a very long run on Kensington this time in town. This date was near the end but I am posting it first to get it out there asap. On Monday, I spend most of the day and all night with Jessica. This would be our third all nighter in a row and I felt we were really connecting. She was OK during the day but after doing her meds at the hotel, she turned into the devil. I don't know if she has multiple personalities or more likely she just did to much drugs. It was the longest night of my life. From 8 pm till 4 am, I suffered through her freaking out. Everything from banging her head on the walls, screaming, slamming the door, punching herself in the head, swinging the metal stand you put your suitcases on at me to running around outside the hotel naked with just a blanket over her shoulders, flashing herself. The police arrived at the lobby. I am guessing they were called because of her. By then she was back in the room. Somehow I got her to quiet down until they had gone by telling her if she got locked up she would not see her daughter. I should have had them take her away. I spent the night avoiding being punched, having drinks and anything else around thrown at me and watching the clock wondering how long this could possibly go on. If I touched her to try and calm her down she only became more violent. She smashed a large mirror and pissed on the bed. I'm sure I'll be getting a bill for that. About 4 am she was coherent enough to declare that she wanted to go back to Kensington to try and get more dope. I promised to buy her some if she would stay calm till then. I carried our luggage out to the car. When she came out she had my laptop case and said she did not want me to forget it. Once she was safely out of the car on the ave, I told her I wasn't buying her anything and got the hell out of there. The next day, I grabbed my laptop case and it was very light, because it was empty. She stole mt $1000 computer.

I don't believe I can do Justus in this review to just how bad it was. I know some of you, after I post my reviews of our previous dates and her pics will be tempted to take a spin of the wheel. This is not a YMMV, it is playing Russian Roulette.

172982

!

Member #4581
04-19-12, 15:57
If anyone has ever had a worse experience than this, I will be very surprised. I had a very long run on Kensington this time in town. This date was near the end but I am posting it first to get it out there asap. On Monday, I spend most of the day and all night with Jessica. This would be our third all nighter in a row and I felt we were really connecting. She was OK during the day but after doing her meds at the hotel, she turned into the devil. I don't know if she has multiple personalities or more likely she just did to much drugs. It was the longest night of my life. From 8 pm till 4 am, I suffered through her freaking out. Everything from banging her head on the walls, screaming, slamming the door, punching herself in the head, swinging the metal stand you put your suitcases on at me to running around outside the hotel naked with just a blanket over her shoulders, flashing herself. The police arrived at the lobby. I am guessing they were called because of her. By then she was back in the room. Somehow I got her to quiet down until they had gone by telling her if she got locked up she would not see her daughter. I should have had them take her away. I spent the night avoiding being punched, having drinks and anything else around thrown at me and watching the clock wondering how long this could possibly go on. If I touched her to try and calm her down she only became more violent. She smashed a large mirror and pissed on the bed. I'm sure I'll be getting a bill for that. About 4 am she was coherent enough to declare that she wanted to go back to Kensington to try and get more dope. I promised to buy her some if she would stay calm till then. I carried our luggage out to the car. When she came out she had my laptop case and said she did not want me to forget it. Once she was safely out of the car on the ave, I told her I wasn't buying her anything and got the hell out of there. The next day, I grabbed my laptop case and it was very light, because it was empty. She stole mt $1000 computer.

I don't believe I can do Justus in this review to just how bad it was. I know some of you, after I post my reviews of our previous dates and her pics will be tempted to take a spin of the wheel. This is not a YMMV, it is playing Russian Roulette.

172982

!Was the hotel that Jessica defiled a big, round one on Penrose with a dinner across the street?

Gator145
04-19-12, 16:19
[QUOTE=MaximusCut; 1426869]Gentlemen mongers,

I am usually one those who take the good with the bad which comes our way while we indulge in our hobby. But I am compelled to describe my recent incident for sheer drama that unfolded.

I was in Philly this weekend for work and also to meet my cousin at Temple Univ. It was a nice balmy (though little wet) Sunday night and I was enjoying the pleasure of driving with my windows down, wind blowing my hair, and the music blowing my soul. I got done visiting my cousin at Temple by midnight and thought of swinging by the avenue to find someone nice to hang out at my 3 star hotel near airport. I was tired but didn't wanted to sleep, thus needed a reason to be awake. Calling my regulars didn't help as everyone was in deep slumber already.

Hello Max, This sounds exactly like the same girl I wrote about a couple months back. Very aggressive and memorable experience.

She was picked up at Harold and the K which is only about three blocks from where you picked this girl up. The M O is the same with the relative that is a cop and the threat of being arrested before the next sunrise. She tends to be the perfect date until something doesn't go her way. Then all hell breaks loose. She threatens the date refuses to get out of the vehicle etc. I got her out of my vehicle only after driving about eight blocks toward I 95. Then she knew I meant business and left the vehicle spewing threat after threat as I was driving away. She made like she was taking my plate number. I thought what would the cops do if they did stop me? Not much as there was no see rime committed on my part. I do know four people that use Jay as a street name. Two use their real name Jea and Jay. Both very reliable girls. The other is Hungry Coyotes' Jessica who will use Jay instead of her given name. I've addressed her both ways and she doesn't seem to mind.

Then there is who I term to be Nightmare Jae and it appears that is who you hooked up with. To my knowledge she has not ripped off anybody for any large amounts but she sure does try. My unasked for advice is to avoid her at all costs. I would also suggest to put her in the same group as Krazy Katie. Now Krazie Katie is a group all by herself but these two are two peas in a pod.

It is only a matter of time before she gets bolder and bolder. Don't forget your decoy cash for situations such as this. It can get rid of a nightmare date as fast as you picked her up. Stay safe my friend.

Gator145
04-19-12, 16:28
If anyone has ever had a worse experience than this, I will be very surprised. I had a very long run on Kensington this time in town. This date was near the end but I am posting it first to get it out there asap. On Monday, I spend most of the day and all night with Jessica. This would be our third all nighter in a row and I felt we were really connecting. She was OK during the day but after doing her meds at the hotel, she turned into the devil. I don't know if she has multiple personalities or more likely she just did to much drugs. It was the longest night of my life. From 8 pm till 4 am, I suffered through her freaking out. Everything from banging her head on the walls, screaming, slamming the door, punching herself in the head, swinging the metal stand you put your suitcases on at me to running around outside the hotel naked with just a blanket over her shoulders, flashing herself. The police arrived at the lobby. I am guessing they were called because of her. By then she was back in the room. Somehow I got her to quiet down until they had gone by telling her if she got locked up she would not see her daughter. I should have had them take her away. I spent the night avoiding being punched, having drinks and anything else around thrown at me and watching the clock wondering how long this could possibly go on. If I touched her to try and calm her down she only became more violent. She smashed a large mirror and pissed on the bed. I'm sure I'll be getting a bill for that. About 4 am she was coherent enough to declare that she wanted to go back to Kensington to try and get more dope. I promised to buy her some if she would stay calm till then. I carried our luggage out to the car. When she came out she had my laptop case and said she did not want me to forget it. Once she was safely out of the car on the ave, I told her I wasn't buying her anything and got the hell out of there. The next day, I grabbed my laptop case and it was very light, because it was empty. She stole mt $1000 computer.

I don't believe I can do Justus in this review to just how bad it was. I know some of you, after I post my reviews of our previous dates and her pics will be tempted to take a spin of the wheel. This is not a YMMV, it is playing Russian Roulette.

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!Hello Hungry Coyote. WOOOOOOOOOOWWwwwwww Your report is very impressive. I've known Jessica for a good while and never once did I take her for behaving the way you described. In fact just the opposite, she has always been very quiet and reserved on the out side. Then that all changes when the doors closed behind us. She is a freak of freaks but never has she been aggressive in any way. I'm glad you pointed these issues out. She has dated friends of mine on a few occasions and never had a problem. As with many of the girls there is always a chance of severe breakdown on their part. Never leave anything to chance.

Stay safe and alert for mood changes.

MaximusCut
04-19-12, 22:55
[QUOTE=MaximusCut; 1426869]Gentlemen mongers,

I am usually one those who take the good with the bad which comes our way while we indulge in our hobby. But I am compelled to describe my recent incident for sheer drama that unfolded.

I was in Philly this weekend for work and also to meet my cousin at Temple Univ. It was a nice balmy (though little wet) Sunday night and I was enjoying the pleasure of driving with my windows down, wind blowing my hair, and the music blowing my soul. I got done visiting my cousin at Temple by midnight and thought of swinging by the avenue to find someone nice to hang out at my 3 star hotel near airport. I was tired but didn't wanted to sleep, thus needed a reason to be awake. Calling my regulars didn't help as everyone was in deep slumber already.

Hello Max, This sounds exactly like the same girl I wrote about a couple months back. Very aggressive and memorable experience.

She was picked up at Harold and the K which is only about three blocks from where you picked this girl up. The M O is the same with the relative that is a cop and the threat of being arrested before the next sunrise. She tends to be the perfect date until something doesn't go her way. Then all hell breaks loose. She threatens the date refuses to get out of the vehicle etc. I got her out of my vehicle only after driving about eight blocks toward I 95. Then she knew I meant business and left the vehicle spewing threat after threat as I was driving away. She made like she was taking my plate number. I thought what would the cops do if they did stop me? Not much as there was no see rime committed on my part. I do know four people that use Jay as a street name. Two use their real name Jea and Jay. Both very reliable girls. The other is Hungry Coyotes' Jessica who will use Jay instead of her given name. I've addressed her both ways and she doesn't seem to mind.

Then there is who I term to be Nightmare Jae and it appears that is who you hooked up with. To my knowledge she has not ripped off anybody for any large amounts but she sure does try. My unasked for advice is to avoid her at all costs. I would also suggest to put her in the same group as Krazy Katie. Now Krazie Katie is a group all by herself but these two are two peas in a pod.

It is only a matter of time before she gets bolder and bolder. Don't forget your decoy cash for situations such as this. It can get rid of a nightmare date as fast as you picked her up. Stay safe my friend.Thanks Gator.

It does seem like the one you mentioned. By the way her cell number ends with 1894. She did create lot of drama all along. But I guess, we all are mature enough to digest little salt with sugar.

She indeed will be in the same category as Krazy Katie. For all it is worth, I was recently informed that someone from the monger community did got one up on Krazy Katie few weeks ago. She was given quite a severe physical treatment while pulling her scam on one more unsuspecting but resourceful guy.

InPrivate
04-21-12, 01:12
My friend had a dream. First time useing backpage.

Meet a 18 year old named "beautiful", at roosevelt hotel.

Poor service, like don't touch my tits, don't finger me. Mish was useless, she would never spread her legs barely to get his dick in. A blow job sucked (no pun) She was all around useless. And not worth a cent.

WTF? Has a large tattoo "beautiful 4 inches under her chin 1 1/2 feet long by 6 inches high.

My friend could have gotten my ex for the same experince!

http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/it-looks-good-but-feels-even-better-18/10424929

Vms124
04-21-12, 16:10
This happen to me with the girl I hook up from BP almost a year ago. She asked me to drop her off to their house in Princeton St N East Philly. Most of the people here probably know that place. The girl asked me to buy her a donut and hot coco before we go to the house (I was nice). After I dropped her off I went back home because I was tired from night work. When I got home I found out my laptop is gone. Not sure if I was lucky, but I know the house in Princeton is used for business of some sort (most people know it, I've been there also). So, I called the girl back and told her that I will report it to the police and I know the house will also be harassed by the cops. Also, I told her that I will also give her 100 just to give me back my laptop, I told her nobody will buy the laptop because its stolen and will be traced when hooked up to the internet. The girl called back and asked me to pick up the laptop from the hotel room. I can do something to harm her but I figured out I don't want any hassle, so I just let go, gave her the $ and went back home with my laptop.

Maybe you can talk to her and buyback your laptop? Because the damage is probably bigger if you don't get it back. Just an opinion.

V.


If anyone has ever had a worse experience than this, I will be very surprised. I had a very long run on Kensington this time in town. This date was near the end but I am posting it first to get it out there asap. On Monday, I spend most of the day and all night with Jessica. This would be our third all nighter in a row and I felt we were really connecting. She was OK during the day but after doing her meds at the hotel, she turned into the devil. I don't know if she has multiple personalities or more likely she just did to much drugs. It was the longest night of my life. From 8 pm till 4 am, I suffered through her freaking out. Everything from banging her head on the walls, screaming, slamming the door, punching herself in the head, swinging the metal stand you put your suitcases on at me to running around outside the hotel naked with just a blanket over her shoulders, flashing herself. The police arrived at the lobby. I am guessing they were called because of her. By then she was back in the room. Somehow I got her to quiet down until they had gone by telling her if she got locked up she would not see her daughter. I should have had them take her away. I spent the night avoiding being punched, having drinks and anything else around thrown at me and watching the clock wondering how long this could possibly go on. If I touched her to try and calm her down she only became more violent. She smashed a large mirror and pissed on the bed. I'm sure I'll be getting a bill for that. About 4 am she was coherent enough to declare that she wanted to go back to Kensington to try and get more dope. I promised to buy her some if she would stay calm till then. I carried our luggage out to the car. When she came out she had my laptop case and said she did not want me to forget it. Once she was safely out of the car on the ave, I told her I wasn't buying her anything and got the hell out of there. The next day, I grabbed my laptop case and it was very light, because it was empty. She stole mt $1000 computer.

I don't believe I can do Justus in this review to just how bad it was. I know some of you, after I post my reviews of our previous dates and her pics will be tempted to take a spin of the wheel. This is not a YMMV, it is playing Russian Roulette.

172982

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HungryCoyote
04-22-12, 10:15
Hello Hungry Coyote.

WOOOOOOOOOOWWwwwwww

Your report is very impressive. I've known Jessica for a good while and never once did I take her for behaving the way you described. In fact just the opposite, she has always been very quiet and reserved on the out side. Then that all changes when the doors closed behind us. She is a freak of freaks but never has she been aggressive in any way. I'm glad you pointed these issues out. She has dated friends of mine on a few occasions and never had a problem. As with many of the girls there is always a chance of severe breakdown on their part. Never leave anything to chance.

Stay safe and alert for mood changes.Yes she can be very quiet and reserved. Sweet enough to take home to mom. When I went to the dentist she even called to see how it went. I truly believe she has some sort of dual personality disorder. I have 2 ex wives so I know all about mood swings but I have never seen anything that drastic of a change. Maybe my imagination but I'd swear even her looks changed, like Heckle and Jeckle.

CookyJar
04-22-12, 12:46
…She was OK during the day but after doing her meds at the hotel, she turned into the devil.More than likely it was something odd in her meds. Sometimes dealers will attempt to boost a bad grade of dope with a cut that will disguise the lack of effect provided by the poor quality drug. The cut maybe some that is normally harmless. But, when taken intravenous, it could cause a negative reaction. The effect of a bad cut is enhanced by the fact that the user isn't aware of what happening and is trying to counter the effect. There are a few of hallucinogens that come to mind. Her meds cut with a small amount of PCP may have been the culprit. Unknowingly shooting up a small amount of meth (speed) mixed with dope might confuse a person who was expecting a downer.

Suggestion: Since she has been a good provider in the past, the next time you see her, ask. If she seems to be acting like her old self, ask her what went wrong the last time around. Don't throw the hooker away with the bath water.

Just my 2 cent.

CookyJar

HungryCoyote
04-22-12, 13:33
More than likely it was something odd in her meds. Sometimes dealers will attempt to boost a bad grade of dope with a cut that will disguise the lack of effect provided by the poor quality drug. The cut maybe some that is normally harmless. But, when taken intravenous, it could cause a negative reaction. The effect of a bad cut is enhanced by the fact that the user isn't aware of what happening and is trying to counter the effect. There are a few of hallucinogens that come to mind. Her meds cut with a small amount of PCP may have been the culprit. Unknowingly shooting up a small amount of meth (speed) mixed with dope might confuse a person who was expecting a downer.

Suggestion: Since she has been a good provider in the past, the next time you see her, ask. If she seems to be acting like her old self, ask her what went wrong the last time around. Don't throw the hooker away with the bath water.

Just my 2 cent.

CookyJarGood advice. I was thinking the same thing. I can see myself overlooking a bad trip. The problem is her stealing from me. I would have a hard time ever trusting her again. But then I should not be trusting a SW anyway, LOL.

HungryCoyote
04-22-12, 13:38
This happen to me with the girl I hook up from BP almost a year ago. She asked me to drop her off to their house in Princeton St N East Philly. Most of the people here probably know that place. The girl asked me to buy her a donut and hot coco before we go to the house (I was nice). After I dropped her off I went back home because I was tired from night work. When I got home I found out my laptop is gone. Not sure if I was lucky, but I know the house in Princeton is used for business of some sort (most people know it, I've been there also). So, I called the girl back and told her that I will report it to the police and I know the house will also be harassed by the cops. Also, I told her that I will also give her 100 just to give me back my laptop, I told her nobody will buy the laptop because its stolen and will be traced when hooked up to the internet. The girl called back and asked me to pick up the laptop from the hotel room. I can do something to harm her but I figured out I don't want any hassle, so I just let go, gave her the $ and went back home with my laptop.

Maybe you can talk to her and buyback your laptop? Because the damage is probably bigger if you don't get it back. Just an opinion.

V.I did get my laptop back. She sold it to a computer repair shop just south of Allegheny. They must specialize in buying stolen stuff cause they wasted no time wiping the hard drive clean. Cost me $200 but at least she did not just trade it for a rock. Then some hood would have access to my files. So all in all, I'm happy it did not end worse. Maybe for once I will actually learn from the experience, LOL.

CookyJar
04-22-12, 20:42
Good advice. I was thinking the same thing. I can see myself overlooking a bad trip. The problem is her stealing from me. I would have a hard time ever trusting her again. But then I should not be trusting a SW anyway, LOL.You can still trust her. Trust her about as far as you can throw her.

I have been ripped off by neighbors, family and friends. I have been ripped off in business. Each time I just shook it off and came back stronger. If the profit is large enough, anyone will rip you off. You cannot blame them, that's life, man.

Don't let them near anything you cannot afford to lose. That makes it a little easier to trust them.

CookyJar

Bear222
04-23-12, 10:47
*Women often receive warnings about protecting themselves at the mall.

And in dark parking lots, etc. This is the first warning I have seen.

For men. I wanted to pass it on in case you haven't heard about it*

*A 'heads up' for those men who may be regular customers at Lowe's,

Home Depot, Costco, or even Wal-Mart. This one caught me totally by surprise.

Over the last months I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping.

Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic.

Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your.

Friends*

Here's how the scam works: Two nice-looking, college-aged girls will.

Come over to your car or truck as you are packing your purchases into.

Your vehicle. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and.

Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy.

T-shirts. (It's impossible not to look). When you thank them and offer.

Them a tip, they say,"No", but instead ask for a ride to McDonald's.

*You agree and they climb into the vehicle. On the way, they start.

Undressing. Then one of them starts crawling all over you, while the.

Other one steals your wallet*

*I had my wallet stolen May 4th. 9th. 10th, twice on the 15th. 17th.

Also June 1st & 4th, and very likely again this upcoming weekend. So.

Tell your friends to be careful. What a horrible way to take advantage.

Of us older men. Warn your friends to be vigilant. Wal-Mart has.

Wallets on sale for.

$2. 99 each. I found even cheaper ones for $.99 at the dollar store and.

Bought them out in three of their stores. Also, you never get to eat.

At McDonald's. I've already lost 11 pounds just running back and forth.

From Lowe's, to Home Depot, to Costco, Etc. So please, send this on to.

All the older men that you know and warn them to be on the lookout for this scam.

(The best times are just before lunch and around 4:30 in the.

Afternoon.) *

*Let's be safe out there*

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Runner8
04-25-12, 07:53
HC meant."she was connecting with my wallet." C'mon!


Did you really say "This would be our third all nighter in a row and I felt we were really connecting?" Connecting with a drug addicted street walker? Oh my God you guys on here are hilarious!

HungryCoyote
04-25-12, 13:50
Well bend my dog tags and send me to Friedburg. I went and confused a drug addicted street walker for a human being. Sure I obviously made a mistake with this one and let my guard down so I am as guilty as she is. Spend three days with someone. It's an easy mistake to make. One of my closest friends is a drug addicted street walker who I don't date so I know she is not after my wallet. She would give you her last dime before ever even thinking about steeling. You may find this hard to believe but many of these girls value more than just your money. A little kindness goes a long way. These girls have feelings, emotions, addictions and problems. According to my bank statement over the last week, so do I. I think I need MA (MongerAnonomous).
Some girls even have families. I know this to be true because two have even taken me home to meet mom.

Anyway, my problem is ever since I stopped looking for unicorns, I have been searching for another mythical creature, the hooker with a heart of gold, that is just looking for one break to get her self clean and her life right.

Bear222
04-25-12, 15:00
Well bend my dog tags and send me to Friedburg. I went and confused a drug addicted street walker for a human being. Sure I obviously made a mistake with this one and let my guard down so I am as guilty as she is. Spend three days with someone. It's an easy mistake to make. One of my closest friends is a drug addicted street walker who I don't date so I know she is not after my wallet. She would give you her last dime before ever even thinking about steeling. You may find this hard to believe but many of these girls value more than just your money. A little kindness goes a long way. These girls have feelings, emotions, addictions and problems. According to my bank statement over the last week, so do I. I think I need MA (MongerAnonomous).

Some girls even have families. I know this to be true because two have even taken me home to meet mom.

Anyway, my problem is ever since I stopped looking for unicorns, I have been searching for another mythical creature, the hooker with a heart of gold, that is just looking for one break to get her self clean and her life right.I had a hooker take me home to meet her mom once and "mom" offered to do me for a lower price. Said she taught her daughter everthing she knew about sucking cock so I would get a much better BJ from her. Declined, and was then offered doubles with her sister. Nice friendly family.

Pdiddy77
04-25-12, 19:31
She stole from you hungrycoyote. She's a thief and a liar. Who would want to spend time with somebody like that?

HungryCoyote
04-26-12, 03:24
She stole from you hungrycoyote. She's a thief and a liar. Who would want to spend time with somebody like that?Obviously. So what did I say that makes you think I would want to? My point was that I don't believe being an addict automatically makes one a thief and liar. Sure many will end up like that.

My mom experiences were quite different, no talk of sex at all. Just about life choices and the paths we follow.

SBCurious
04-26-12, 19:37
Wow guys. HungryCoyote shared his tale and warned us of what could happen. And, admitted a bad thing happened to him, and he learned from the experience (as should we all.) No need to jump all over him.

CookyJar
04-26-12, 21:48
…Maybe you have more issues than they do!Issues? Boy! Do I have issues. Everyone has issues. It's how you deal with them that matters. If you don't have issues, it's because of the six feet of dirt over top of you.


How about trying a non-prostitute, non-drug addict, non-thief for all of that! Otherwise, stick to the sex!.Where the fun in that?

CookyJar

HungryCoyote
04-27-12, 07:32
How about trying a non-prostitute, non-drug addict, non-thief for all of that! Otherwise, stick to the sex! Common Sense here grown men! Maybe you have more issues than they do!Why? Because I don't just like prostitutes. I REALLY LIKE prostitutes, LOL.

Never said I didn't have issues.

Some people are just not happy unless they are insulting others. We can't all be the World's Greatest Monger. That position seems to be filled already.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?7311-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=1431371#post1431371

Guys, thanks for your support. Even when I screw up, you always have my back.

Bear222
04-27-12, 07:53
Guys, thanks for your support. Even when I screw up, you always have my back.If you have been mongering for any length of time you will have bad experiences. I've been stolen from, lied to, car vandalized, even robbed twice at gun point. The point is if you spend the time to do the crime you are going to have days like that. Take it, shrug it off and learn from it. Thanks for sharing the information and have a good time the next pickup.

XPeaceSellsX
02-14-16, 03:25
http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/petite-brunette-lookng-for-her-daddy/29438038

"Petite brunette seeking her daddy for the night. Love older men the older the better (; 2 one5 eight3 seven 5 seven9 four your wish is my command. There is no length I won't go to please my man. Hope to see someone soon!!willing to travel can not host.

St sixty hh hundred H one sixty ".

Was too eager to negotiate, played the "Running low on gas card" and asked me to meet her outside with cash upfront. Wasn't quite dumb enough to do that but did meet her outside with 40 $ to "pay driver. " Car had two other girls in the back as well. Came inside and let her get the cash of the dresser, offered to get her a drink and walked into the kitchen. She ghosted out while I was pouring the drink.

Driving a silver four door sedan. 215XXX5794.

Don't mong under the influence folks, if it seems too good it is.

Cephlapod Love
02-14-16, 16:49
Was too eager to negotiate, played the "Running low on gas card" and asked me to meet her outside with cash upfront. Wasn't quite dumb enough to do that but did meet her outside with 40 $ to "pay driver. " Car had two other girls in the back as well. Came inside and let her get the cash of the dresser, offered to get her a drink and walked into the kitchen. She ghosted out while I was pouring the drink.


Don't mong under the influence folks, if it seems too good it is.Thanks for the report! Sorry about your loss! I know it stings and hurts! It happens to all of us. Er, unless one goes against the little head and gets and education in advance! Otherwise the streets are a powerful teacher!

Thanks for posting the pictures with your report. Now that the advert is gone off BP, thos epics make ur report valuable going forward. {others could learn from your example...}

Take a look at Rule #23 in the below linked thread. Get an education, avoid getting ripped off. I'm just sayin'.

Rules For Backpage Mongering

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage

Mongering looks easy, good, safe mongering is anything BUT easy!

MiniMan21
04-14-16, 20:09
Today I met a hispanic girl named Sabrina on the K. She is about 5'4 with blue highlights in here hair. As we were on our date, she was able to rob me of my wallet and almost my cell phone. The only was I was able to retrieve my cell phone because it drop from the side. I didn't notice my wallet until 20 min after I left the area. Even though I read the forums about roaming hands, I was not paying attention. I had it good for so long, that I let my guard down.

BroOlomide
04-14-16, 23:10
Today I met a hispanic girl named Sabrina on the K. She is about 5'4 with blue highlights in here hair. As we were on our date, she was able to rob me of my wallet and almost my cell phone. The only was I was able to retrieve my cell phone because it drop from the side. I didn't notice my wallet until 20 min after I left the area. Even though I read the forums about roaming hands, I was not paying attention. I had it good for so long, that I let my guard down.Would this be the Sabrina you met? (See post 6396 of the linked thread).

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?5406-CookyJar-s-Streetwalker-Photos/page5 (.

If so be leery of her. While I've had many a good times with her, lately she's been too unstable due to her love of the "rocks. ".

Case in point; used to be that I could take her to my place for a couple hours for a date without her her requiring "pre-medication", but that's no longer the case, as she wants to do the deed within a few blocks off the avenue so she can buy her meds immediately after the deed. She can't go for long periods (more than half hour) without needing medication.

While she has never robbed me, she's bragged to me about how she's gotten over on some mongers and I've heard stories from other girls about her robbing clients. Live and Learn.

Mackeral1
04-15-16, 08:39
Unfortunately, I got nailed by Danielle last week. Gator put up a warning about her in the main SW thread recently too. In reading Mad Monger's post (from 6 years ago! She got me in almost the same way. FOr me, It was the 3rd time I saw her. First two was the same story as MM with her trying, but I flat out refused until after the deed. Third time, I thought I had some trust. I had her phone number that I know is hers. Let my guard down so she could cop in advance and boom! - never to appear again. Sad part is that she actually was really good. Snapper was clean and tight. She could have had a repeat long time customer but its pretty amazing how some of these girls have no vision and no business skills. In closing, avoid her at all costs. She'll rob you blind.


There were so many clues. I should have known better. In hindsight there were many things I could have been smarter about. It is so easy to be a Monday morning quarterback about the whole thing, step by step. But, when the little head is doing the thinking, and you let your guard down with a sly, drug-addicted SW, you can get snookered.

The date started out fine. Danielle was smiling, vibrant and cheerful. I had every expectation she would be fun. I began by suggesting an indoor date because I was in the mood for FS. She wanted to cop first. I wasnt having any parts of that. She said it would be a lot more fun if she could cop first because she would feel less anxious and would feel less pressured for time and we could relax and enjoy ourselves. She was convincing, but I still wasnt having any of it. She finally said we could go park for the suck half and then later go for the fuck half indoors, if she could cop in between. I still was hesitant, but she said the place she had to go was just a block off the K and not dangerous, she would be in and out in 5 minutes, and not bring any stuff to my car. Not only that, but she promised that it would be the absolute best fuck of my life. She wore down my resistance and was lovably convincing if such is even conceivable in a SW.

So, off we went to park for the first half of our date. She actually did do a pretty good sucking job. Maybe that was her incentive to set me up for stage two. On the way back she mentioned that she had a phone that was always in working order, unlike the other girls on the Ave and had her own place where we could go in the future when her roomie wasnt there, and she even had a car, so we could meet at prearranged notels in the future. All of this was quite smooth and put me at ease. All I can say is that she had her act down pat and it is damn good 'cause I believed her.

After the deed we parked near the place she was going to cop. I told her I would pay her for half the date so she could cop and the other half when the date was completely over. She pleaded for the whole amount, promising very earnestly that she would be right back and that she really wanted to continue the date and have more fun. Her plea was very convincing. At this moment I had all the leverage. But this was the moment where I turned soft, caved and was conned.

I once saw a movie about con artists and the con was explained this way: the person conning you does not give you his/her confidence; you give him/her your confidence. Why do you so willingly do that?: because you get something out of it. What did I get out of this transaction?: I got to feel good that I was doing her a favor and I was going to get great sex as a result. I was nave and I was greedy and I am experienced enough to know a LOT better. At least I got my cock sucked. It just cost me a lot more than that for which I had bargained.

As I sat there and the time passed, I was thinking to myself what an ass I was. She had the money. She had nothing more to gain by returning. She had conned me into thinking that she actually thought a future good date relationship was worth returning for and completing the date. I called the number she had given me and it should have been no surprise that it didn't work. Shame on her for ripping me off; shame on me for being so gullible.

If this was a football rivalry(the Mongers vs. the SWs?), then this is like a scouting report on a new offensive play being employed by the opposition. Its a pretty good play. What did I learn from this? Something I thought I knew already: NEVER, EVER let a SW cop with your dough before the date is finished, even if its a variation of that, and half of the date is finished, no matter how sweet and pleasant and convincing she is.

PS: Danielle allowed me to take a few pics with the understanding that I didnt post them on the internet. I guess she wasnt thinking that one through very thoroughly prior to ripping me off. I would normally have been true to my word on this, but fuck you darlin. What goes around comes around. Payback is a biatch!

Here are a few pics of her so you can be forewarned of this variation of the old I need to cop before the date ploy.

Runner8
04-15-16, 12:11
It happens to us all at one time or another! The last time for me was platinum blonde Kate a few years ago. Gave her the advance and she bolted. Even left her purse is my vehicle. That was after many dates and a great history. Was to the point I would pick her up at her dads place in the NE, we ate dinner together and hung out a lot. Their habits are just to strong and good judgement goes out the window.

Your punishment is:

Chant "I will not think with my little head!" 10 times. In fact, we should all do that often!

Runner.


Unfortunately, I got nailed by Danielle last week. Gator put up a warning about her in the main SW thread recently too. In reading Mad Monger's post (from 6 years ago! She got me in almost the same way. FOr me, It was the 3rd time I saw her. First two was the same story as MM with her trying, but I flat out refused until after the deed. Third time, I thought I had some trust. I had her phone number that I know is hers. Let my guard down so she could cop in advance and boom! - never to appear again. Sad part is that she actually was really good. Snapper was clean and tight. She could have had a repeat long time customer but its pretty amazing how some of these girls have no vision and no business skills. In closing, avoid her at all costs. She'll rob you blind.

MiniMan21
04-15-16, 22:44
Would this be the Sabrina you met? (See post 6396 of the linked thread).

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?5406-CookyJar-s-Streetwalker-Photos/page5 (.

If so be leery of her. While I've had many a good times with her, lately she's been too unstable due to her love of the "rocks. ".

Case in point; used to be that I could take her to my place for a couple hours for a date without her her requiring "pre-medication", but that's no longer the case, as she wants to do the deed within a few blocks off the avenue so she can buy her meds immediately after the deed. She can't go for long periods (more than half hour) without needing medication.

While she has never robbed me, she's bragged to me about how she's gotten over on some mongers and I've heard stories from other girls about her robbing clients. Live and Learn.Yes that is her. Now I know the importance of a burner phone. Now I am going to keep my wallet and cell phone in a side compartment in my car and only have my burner phone near me.

Cephlapod Love
04-16-16, 15:37
Yes that is her. Now I know the importance of a burner phone. Now I am going to keep my wallet and cell phone in a side compartment in my car and only have my burner phone near me.Give you head a shake! What does it take for youse guys to learn? Youse got to have all of the bad experiences before it sinks in? Still.... don't like what you proposed as a solution.

RULE #17.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules

Sigh.

Gator145
05-01-16, 17:17
Once a great attraction on the Ave. , Ashley has decided to take to Backpage. She has been going by Amelia, Layla, Gia, and a few other aliases lately. I have been informed by a few people that have seen her UTR that there's been some issues of items missing. Set ups taking place. She likes to frequent places like the Lincoln or the Neshaminy. Once she finds a mark or what she considers an easy target she gets them to go to one of the Bensalem notells as she lives right in the area behind Neshaminy Mall. She will use various excuses once she gets the appointed funding to bail on the deal or actually have someone confront the target. She likes to "work" with another rather chunky girl named Lindsay. She has been known to work hand in hand with the Bensalem PD to avoid prosecution. She turns over dealers and Mongers. So if you see her ad on BP or happen to get a call or text, you might do well to avoid her and her accomplice at all costs. I know I've shared her contact info with many of you here. Recently she has been known to give gifts one wouldn't want to take home. So for those that would rather be safe than sorry avoid this one like the plague. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

Gator145
05-01-16, 17:31
Just some clearer pics Ashley. Me, I'm just an 'Ol Gator.

Runner8
05-02-16, 10:39
Thank you Gator for your community services!! It is very much appreciated! On the jersey side an ATF and long term multiple date named Kori has started the same crap. She is about 24 in the CH / Trenton area with a dog. Beware.

Runner.


Once a great attraction on the Ave. , Ashley has decided to take to Backpage. She has been going by Amelia, Layla, Gia, and a few other aliases lately. I have been informed by a few people that have seen her UTR that there's been some issues of items missing. Set ups taking place. She likes to frequent places like the Lincoln or the Neshaminy. Once she finds a mark or what she considers an easy target she gets them to go to one of the Bensalem notells as she lives right in the area behind Neshaminy Mall. She will use various excuses once she gets the appointed funding to bail on the deal or actually have someone confront the target. She likes to "work" with another rather chunky girl named Lindsay. She has been known to work hand in hand with the Bensalem PD to avoid prosecution. She turns over dealers and Mongers. So if you see her ad on BP or happen to get a call or text, you might do well to avoid her and her accomplice at all costs. I know I've shared her contact info with many of you here. Recently she has been known to give gifts one wouldn't want to take home. So for those that would rather be safe than sorry avoid this one like the plague. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

MoLushie
05-03-16, 01:41
I know a girl who won't rip you guys off.

Trashed201
05-03-16, 21:53
That's great would you like to share with everybody else??

Mara123
05-04-16, 18:47
Planned on an extended date based on the recommendation of a fellow enthusiast. I already had an UTR over so figured two would be better than one. Boy was I wrong.

I negotiated a time and length of date based on a mutually agreed upon price. But an hour after arriving she wanted to go cop. I agreed because my UTR was going with her but after three hours and multiple texts from the UTR about Kristen getting involved with drama my UTR asked if I could just come get her. An hour later with Kristen not back (mind you this is now 4 hours after she originally left to get product) I decided to skip it and just be with my UTR.

I think if your just doing a car date or quick session you would be fine but my experience says if Kristen leaves for any reason to forget about her returning. I am out half the entire price and no activities from Kristen.

As always YMMV.

NvrStlPhilly
06-14-16, 20:56
Once a great attraction on the Ave. , Ashley has decided to take to Backpage. She has been going by Amelia, Layla, Gia, and a few other aliases lately. I have been informed by a few people that have seen her UTR that there's been some issues of items missing. Set ups taking place. She likes to frequent places like the Lincoln or the Neshaminy. Once she finds a mark or what she considers an easy target she gets them to go to one of the Bensalem notells as she lives right in the area behind Neshaminy Mall. She will use various excuses once she gets the appointed funding to bail on the deal or actually have someone confront the target. She likes to "work" with another rather chunky girl named Lindsay. She has been known to work hand in hand with the Bensalem PD to avoid prosecution. She turns over dealers and Mongers. So if you see her ad on BP or happen to get a call or text, you might do well to avoid her and her accomplice at all costs. I know I've shared her contact info with many of you here. Recently she has been known to give gifts one wouldn't want to take home. So for those that would rather be safe than sorry avoid this one like the plague. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.A "mask" face showing heavy meds use. Many of these women took some much wicky than they feel the need for revenge and to slaughter all up and coming customers (males). It is revolt. This means there are near the end and NO date what so ever will be pleasant. My humble opinion.

KStreetWatcher
06-18-16, 06:53
Planned on an extended date based on the recommendation of a fellow enthusiast. I already had an UTR over so figured two would be better than one. Boy was I wrong.

I negotiated a time and length of date based on a mutually agreed upon price. But an hour after arriving she wanted to go cop. I agreed because my UTR was going with her but after three hours and multiple texts from the UTR about Kristen getting involved with drama my UTR asked if I could just come get her. An hour later with Kristen not back (mind you this is now 4 hours after she originally left to get product) I decided to skip it and just be with my UTR.

I think if your just doing a car date or quick session you would be fine but my experience says if Kristen leaves for any reason to forget about her returning. I am out half the entire price and no activities from Kristen.

As always YMMV.She bears resemblance to Kristen of Broadway / Camden. Is that her?

KSW.

KStreetWatcher
06-18-16, 15:17
She bears resemblance to Kristen of Broadway / Camden. Is that her?

KSW.That's not her there is No dimple on her chin. I wish it was Camden Kristen was one of the best.

KSW.

High Pockets
06-30-16, 22:21
http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/come-be-my-late-night-lover-can-you-make-it-hott-daddy-gia-needs-some-warming-up/32453420

Finally made a date with Gia after a couple weeks of texting with other things interfering. She has lots and lots and lots of ads under Phila Escorts, "additional ads. " Pretty girl, very slim. Found her row-house apt in W. Philly. She met me at door, 4-year old daughter sleeping in living room. Took me to back bedroom. Was wearing nice bra and panties with fishnet stockings, no shoes. I plunked my donation down and we got started. Very nice, slow BBBJ, then a little DATY (clean girl). About 15 minutes into the session, there was a knock on the bedroom door. Gia said it was her mother, and don't move. A minute later, the "mother" knocks on the door and says Gia had to go out for a few minutes. I got dressed, went out and waited for 15 minutes in my car. Sent her a couple of texts. No reply. I think the "mother' was waiting in one of the other bedrooms.

I was out a buck twenty, drove home, texted a couple more times, no reply. I don't think I'll go to a "private residence" again. If it's not a hotel or motel, forget it. Anyone had a similar experience?

HP.

Gator145
07-01-16, 12:08
http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/come-be-my-late-night-lover-can-you-make-it-hott-daddy-gia-needs-some-warming-up/32453420

Finally made a date with Gia after a couple weeks of texting with other things interfering. She has lots and lots and lots of ads under Phila Escorts, "additional ads. " Pretty girl, very slim. Found her row-house apt in W. Philly. She met me at door, 4-year old daughter sleeping in living room. Took me to back bedroom. Was wearing nice bra and panties with fishnet stockings, no shoes. I plunked my donation down and we got started. Very nice, slow BBBJ, then a little DATY (clean girl). About 15 minutes into the session, there was a knock on the bedroom door. Gia said it was her mother, and don't move. A minute later, the "mother" knocks on the door and says Gia had to go out for a few minutes. I got dressed, went out and waited for 15 minutes in my car. Sent her a couple of texts. No reply. I think the "mother' was waiting in one of the other bedrooms.

I was out a buck twenty, drove home, texted a couple more times, no reply. I don't think I'll go to a "private residence" again. If it's not a hotel or motel, forget it. Anyone had a similar experience?

HP.That was an expensive education you got there Pal. OUCH! Just another very good reason to Never give the girl the Donation before the service. Now repeat after me, NEVER NEVER NEVR. There are a couple things that could have saved you some very had earned cash. You could have outright refused to give her a dime until the curtain call. At that just start to leave. She would have said ok or let you go. Doubtful she would let you leave after you are basically in the crib and funding is moments away. Once you lose control of your funds you are at her mercy. She knows it's quite doubtful you will do much more than curse her out or give her the finger. The chances of you laying a hand on her are slim to none. She knows you don't want Uncle LEO any more than she does.

Remember this if you remember nothing else. He or she who has control of the funds has control of the situation. Lose control and you might as well walk down the street handing out ten dollar bills. Cause chances are you will lose it anyway.

Another option would be to give her half up front and tell her she gets the rest upon completion of the task at hand. Either way you would have remained in control of your funds. Had you left you would have had funding for another less risky project. When in a location that you did not arrange don't be foolish. Expect things will not go your way. If they do then you are ahead of the game. You become very vulnerable once the door behind you closes. Something else to keep in mind when in an unfamiliar location. Check the other rooms, closet, bath room etc. That is called being safe.

I'm confident going forward your radar will be functioning the next encounter.

There are very good women available that would not even consider doing something like what she did to you. It's these lowlifes like the one you encountered that makes life hard for the good girls.

I personally do not frequent BP for the exact reason you describe. You would be doing a great service to the monger community if you could post the advert and a photo of the girl if possible.

Go back and read the rules. Try and see where you made your mistake. Good luck in the future. Remain safe. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

NvrStlPhilly
07-01-16, 15:39
http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/come-be-my-late-night-lover-can-you-make-it-hott-daddy-gia-needs-some-warming-up/32453420

Finally made a date with Gia after a couple weeks of texting with other things interfering. She has lots and lots and lots of ads under Phila Escorts, "additional ads. " Pretty girl, very slim. Found her row-house apt in W. Philly. She met me at door, 4-year old daughter sleeping in living room. Took me to back bedroom. Was wearing nice bra and panties with fishnet stockings, no shoes. I plunked my donation down and we got started. Very nice, slow BBBJ, then a little DATY (clean girl). About 15 minutes into the session, there was a knock on the bedroom door. Gia said it was her mother, and don't move. A minute later, the "mother" knocks on the door and says Gia had to go out for a few minutes. I got dressed, went out and waited for 15 minutes in my car. Sent her a couple of texts. No reply. I think the "mother' was waiting in one of the other bedrooms.

I was out a buck twenty, drove home, texted a couple more times, no reply. I don't think I'll go to a "private residence" again. If it's not a hotel or motel, forget it. Anyone had a similar experience?

HP.She looks like a $ 40 dollar ave girl on meds.

P.S. Very few will allow you to pay after. Almost all want all up front!

Gator145
07-01-16, 16:23
She looks like a $ 40 dollar ave girl on meds.

P.S. Very few will allow you to pay after. Almost all want all up front!NvrSTLPhilly, I agree to an extent. The only way to stop the ripoffs is if every monger bands together and refuses up front cash. Once the method of payment is reversed then a lot of the girls will think twice before pulling that stuff. I for one will not date any girl that requires up front donations. I've walked on a few. A couple have yelled at me to come back and a couple have yelled at me to keep going. Every time without exception I kept going with my money with me. Never lost a dime that way.

Any ideas about how to get the other mongers to follow suit? I would be interested in how to go about that. Once everyone is on the same page things will balance out. Then the only ones it will happen to are those that won't join the fight. Kick it around see what happens. Mongers are looked upon as easy prey right now. If a girl needs the funds enough such as being dope sick she will agree without question if theres not another potential right behind you. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

High Pockets
07-01-16, 16:40
She looks like a $ 40 dollar ave girl on meds.

P.S. Very few will allow you to pay after. Almost all want all up front!Not on meds, as far as I could tell. Not a mark on her. But I guess there are other means of taking meds.

She was also better looking than her pics.

HP.

Gator145
07-02-16, 00:20
I personally do not frequent BP for the exact reason you describe. You would be doing a great service to the monger community if you could post the advert and a photo of the girl if possible.

Go back and read the rules. Try and see where you made your mistake. Good luck in the future. Remain safe. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

My bad here. I suggested High Pockets post a pic and an avert. In fact he did do this I had just overlooked it. This is the link he spoke of.

High Pockets my apologies for the oversight.

Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

Gator145
07-02-16, 10:09
http://philadelphia.backpage.com/Fem...ng-up/32453420

NvrStlPhilly
07-02-16, 12:48
NvrSTLPhilly, I agree to an extent. The only way to stop the ripoffs is if every monger bands together and refuses up front cash. Once the method of payment is reversed then a lot of the girls will think twice before pulling that stuff. I for one will not date any girl that requires up front donations. I've walked on a few. A couple have yelled at me to come back and a couple have yelled at me to keep going. Every time without exception I kept going with my money with me. Never lost a dime that way.

Any ideas about how to get the other mongers to follow suit? I would be interested in how to go about that. Once everyone is on the same page things will balance out. Then the only ones it will happen to are those that won't join the fight. Kick it around see what happens. Mongers are looked upon as easy prey right now. If a girl needs the funds enough such as being dope sick she will agree without question if theres not another potential right behind you. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.Hey, I am a SW:

You owe me. I am selling my body for pennies. You are abusing me and kicking me when I am down. LEO agrees and will send you to John school. To counterpunch I will rape you of your wallet. Me, a SW will hit you SO hard on my initial price to defend myself against your low-ball offer. After all I worked at ShowTell, many go-go places and CJ wants me for pics. I commanded much more money when I was 22 and thin. I give the best service around. WTF you are slimy monger who I would never be seen in public with if I was sober so I am doing you a favor! If I hit you hard I can go home afor whole day and NOT come back out. Dope is much more exciting than you. Hey, I stand at K and A in broad daylight and waive to strange skanky guys suggesting I am available. Who would not want me; the Queen of the ave? The psychologist / methadone counselor sates I am in psychosis but I am NOT. CJ wants me online so I must be top shelf.

In short these SW's have no shame. They are ruthless and will hang you upside down for every penny in your pocket. The urge for dope makes them invisible. They will sell mom and grandma and not look back. Better to whip the slave to death before utilizing others!!1 I will milk the cow till the uterus falls out. 1 sucker in hand is btter than 3 in the bush !!! Old saying is to play the game you can win. You must be in your circle of competence to understand. The SW is a master of taking money. No different than a politician, a crooked roofer or home improvement company. Only a few mongers win such as Hugh from PB, Larry F from Hus. Do you think you can beat the odds? Be smart as DT would say.

As always this is MHO. (humble opinion). Your experience may be different.

PhillyOneGuy
07-20-16, 06:49
http://backpage.com.philadelphia.hoxnif.com/post/17004782/

She is nice and sweet and we met. Very polite and try hard to make you comfortable.

Once you are in her house, she ask donation front. Which is normal for BP girl. So I gave to her. Then she went upstairs and I heard she is talking with someone else. At that moment realize I'm fucked. Black guy shows up, ask me leave.

End of story.

Lesson learned,

High Pockets
07-20-16, 11:00
Philly, welcome to the club. It can happen to anyone (see my post and responses below).

I will not go to a private residence again. Must be a hotel, motel, or notel, or I don't go. Especially the first time.

An exception would be if I've seen the woman a few times elsewhere, or she has good reports from other mongers.

Your experience sounds very much like mine. Nice at first, then the bomb drops. I hope your damage wasn't too bad.

Is she still advertising on Backpage? For all I know, could be the same girl.

Thanks for your ripoff report.

High Pockets.


http://backpage.com.philadelphia.hoxnif.com/post/17004782/

She is nice and sweet and we met. Very polite and try hard to make you comfortable.

Once you are in her house, she ask donation front. Which is normal for BP girl. So I gave to her. Then she went upstairs and I heard she is talking with someone else. At that moment realize I'm fucked. Black guy shows up, ask me leave.

End of story.

Lesson learned,

Bruce Me
09-02-16, 23:30
Yes, same experience here. However, I got robbed 3 times by her. The second variation is that after you pay her, Gia will ask to use the bathroom. After two minutes, her 65 year old mom will knock on the door saying that Gia will be back. Can you wait outside for 15 minutes? Then, the money is gone. The third variation occurs when she agrees to be paid after the session, you'll get head for two minutes. Then, you will here a very loud knocking and banging on the front door. The session takes place in the middle bedroom, not the rear bedroom. Gia goes out the room to answer the front door. You don't here anything for two minutes and a very mean looking butch lesbian type busts in the door and demands $40. Keep in mind, that I am naked. She pretends to be the landlord and threatens to call the police. You give her the $40 and leave.

I've seen Gia 2 other times and didn't get robbed, but she is in on every theft which is despicable.


http://philadelphia.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/come-be-my-late-night-lover-can-you-make-it-hott-daddy-gia-needs-some-warming-up/32453420

Finally made a date with Gia after a couple weeks of texting with other things interfering. She has lots and lots and lots of ads under Phila Escorts, "additional ads. " Pretty girl, very slim. Found her row-house apt in W. Philly. She met me at door, 4-year old daughter sleeping in living room. Took me to back bedroom. Was wearing nice bra and panties with fishnet stockings, no shoes. I plunked my donation down and we got started. Very nice, slow BBBJ, then a little DATY (clean girl). About 15 minutes into the session, there was a knock on the bedroom door. Gia said it was her mother, and don't move. A minute later, the "mother" knocks on the door and says Gia had to go out for a few minutes. I got dressed, went out and waited for 15 minutes in my car. Sent her a couple of texts. No reply. I think the "mother' was waiting in one of the other bedrooms.

I was out a buck twenty, drove home, texted a couple more times, no reply. I don't think I'll go to a "private residence" again. If it's not a hotel or motel, forget it. Anyone had a similar experience?

HP.

Syberman2006
09-03-16, 12:39
Yes, same experience here. However, I got robbed 3 times by her. The second variation is that after you pay her, Gia will ask to use the bathroom. After two minutes, her 65 year old mom will knock on the door saying that Gia will be back. Can you wait outside for 15 minutes? Then, the money is gone. The third variation occurs when she agrees to be paid after the session, you'll get head for two minutes. Then, you will here a very loud knocking and banging on the front door. The session takes place in the middle bedroom, not the rear bedroom. Gia goes out the room to answer the front door. You don't here anything for two minutes and a very mean looking butch lesbian type busts in the door and demands $40. Keep in mind, that I am naked. She pretends to be the landlord and threatens to call the police. You give her the $40 and leave.

I've seen Gia 2 other times and didn't get robbed, but she is in on every theft which is despicable.

Welcome to the club and thanks for sharing. My question is this you got robbed 3 times? The two good times did you get any bad vibes. Still, fool me me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Personally after the first bad experience it's time to move on. As the kids say: just sayin.

Bruce Me
09-03-16, 13:00
Yes, there were bad vibes after the 1st experience but the pickings are pretty slim in West Philly. Gia had her daughter and her mother in the apartment. How threatening can that be was what running through my mind. I was pretty naïve being a middle aged man.


Welcome to the club and thanks for sharing. My question is this you got robbed 3 times? The two good times did you get any bad vibes. Still, fool me me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Personally after the first bad experience it's time to move on. As the kids say: just sayin.

Gator145
09-03-16, 13:43
Yes, same experience here. However, I got robbed 3 times by her. The second variation is that after you pay her, Gia will ask to use the bathroom. After two minutes, her 65 year old mom will knock on the door saying that Gia will be back. Can you wait outside for 15 minutes? Then, the money is gone. The third variation occurs when she agrees to be paid after the session, you'll get head for two minutes. Then, you will here a very loud knocking and banging on the front door. The session takes place in the middle bedroom, not the rear bedroom. Gia goes out the room to answer the front door. You don't here anything for two minutes and a very mean looking butch lesbian type busts in the door and demands $40. Keep in mind, that I am naked. She pretends to be the landlord and threatens to call the police. You give her the $40 and leave.

I've seen Gia 2 other times and didn't get robbed, but she is in on every theft which is despicable.I read your post with much interest. I got to tell you it made me chuckle. Please tell me you put this up for humor purposes only. You didn't really get screwed by the same girl in the same place three times did you? Tell me I read that wrong.

I have no idea how much experience you have in the art of getting blowed or screwed. You seriously didn't learn the first time?

Don't be a bit surprised next time you get your prostate exam and ask the doctor if that's his ring you feel if he says nope it's my watch. You keep this up and you are going to hold the record for being the most gullible person here.

OMG here you are. No criticism intended, coming back for more, more, more. Help me out here a little. Give us the Rebel yell.

Kind of reminds me of a story I heard when I was a kid.

A young man decides to go to the local excitement house he had heard so much about. When he gets there sees two lovely women sitting on the outside steps. Asks about the entertainment for the evening and the more attractive woman says $50.00. She takes the $50.00 and tells him to wait there she will be right back. Half hour passes then an hour then an hour fifteen.

Getting antsy the young man bangs on the door. The upstairs window opens and the same attractive woman yells down, what is it you want boy? He says I want to get fucked. She replies what, again?

The point here is you say this Gia did this to you three times. And apparently you didn't get it the first time. Really?

Pardon me for changing the subject, but I have some very nice swamp land for sale in Florida that you would just love. Right there in the picturesque EverGlades. Yes sir no lawn mower necessary. Today, and today only, if you act quickly I will let you have it for an exceptionally never before heard of very low price. But wait there's more. Don't get out the check book just yet. If you call this number 4-723 - 399 - 968 (sort these numbers out and replace them with the letters there) within the next hour you not only get the beautiful swamp land, but I will personally throw in a fifty, count them now, fifty gallon drum of the finest Vaseline money can buy. Some call it ever glide. Yes this remarkable product not only eases the pain of getting screwed. You can also use it as an ointment for cuts etc.

This Ever Glide will allow for full penetration with little to no discomfort while you continue your life getting screwed over and over again. But wait, there's more. If you act now should you ever run out of Ever Glide for any reason, sheer stupidity included, we guarantee to replace it at no additional charge. That's right, you get the beautiful swamp land, the 50 gallon drum of Vaseline, and our full warranty for one very low price. Call now for further details. Don't worry if you can't call right now I have a feeling this exceptional offer will always be available to you.

So now where do you go from here? Please don't take this personal. Hell at second thought go ahead and take it personal cause I just can't believe you went back a second and third time. You kind of got what you went there for. You wanted to get screwed and that you did my friend. May I remind you there are other more enjoyable ways of getting fucked. You need to seriously talk to some of the more seasoned mongers here to avoid this in the future. Never, never, never, ever give someone a second let alone a third chance once they screwed you. I mean that really should tell you something. After the first time they are thinking damn I hope he's a return customer. If you paid $40.00 each time that works out to $120.00 for a less than two minute BJ. I hope you find that to be excessive and not the norm.

Your ass must be hurting bad. If you continue doing this you should take me along with you cause I would like a front row seat on this. I haven't laughed so hard since I saw George Carlin.

At least you had the guts to post your report and we seriously do thank you for that. I personally would not have the balls to do that. I guess one needs to start somewhere. That is as good as any place to begin.

I know You more than likely won't appreciate this post. Please don't take it seriously. I really don't have any land in Florida and only a large jar of Vaseline. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

Cephlapod Love
09-03-16, 22:08
Apparently several gents here have NOT read "the rules" surrounding BP dating and other such encounters. If so they would be less likely to have been ripped off.

My policy at ALL times is Rule #23! {the rest of the rules aren't bad either!}.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage

Read the whole thread, it is only 17 posts long. When you find Rule 23, keep reading as in a later post I give specific techniques to use to avoid getting ripped off!

Pretty clearly you use the rules and if they fail you break off the date before there is any loss. But of course this is a free country so everyone is allowed to do what they want, so if one "chooses" to not get an education & learn, then they will get "educated" the hard way= School of Hard Knocks. So it is your choice.

Glad to answer any questions on techniques.

Good luck!

Gator145
09-12-16, 19:52
There's a relatively newer girl that's been hanging on 1800 block of Huntingdon. As a public service to all concerned about their health, you may wish to avoid this one like the plague. What she's been passing around is almost as bad as the plague. She goes by Sam or Samantha. I have had reports from mongers that have dated her having to go to the doctor within three days. Two of them only got B Js. So be very careful who you date out there. One report said she knows she's infected and still does dates without telling mongers. There are other reports that she's a cash and dash also. So the trouble with this one is high level. Best to be safe and avoid her completely. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

JamesCarringto
10-13-16, 12:04
There's a relatively newer girl that's been hanging on 1800 block of Huntingdon. As a public service to all concerned about their health, you may wish to avoid this one like the plague. What she's been passing around is almost as bad as the plague. She goes by Sam or Samantha. I have had reports from mongers that have dated her having to go to the doctor within three days. Two of them only got B Js. So be very careful who you date out there. One report said she knows she's infected and still does dates without telling mongers. There are other reports that she's a cash and dash also. So the trouble with this one is high level. Best to be safe and avoid her completely. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.Damn shame. She's kinda cute.

JamesCarringto
10-13-16, 12:11
I wonder why no one posted about the rip off experience on the main backpage reviewer board. I woulda seen it and avoided being duped. I fell victim to her 2 days ago and that's actually why I came on here to report. Just something told me to head here to the rip off threads before going into the main forum and lo and behold I happen to see this.

Anyways, same MO she used on me as the other guys. This time it was at the motel 6. I went in. She started giving head and then 10 minutes into in, knock on door. Her mother and "aunt" come in. And I had to leave. Never again.

Cephlapod Love
10-14-16, 11:37
I wonder why no one posted about the rip off experience on the main backpage reviewer board. I woulda seen it and avoided being duped. I fell victim to her 2 days ago and that's actually why I came on here to report. Just something told me to head here to the rip off threads before going into the main forum and lo and behold I happen to see this.

Anyways, same MO she used on me as the other guys. This time it was at the motel 6. I went in. She started giving head and then 10 minutes into in, knock on door. Her mother and "aunt" come in. And I had to leave. Never again.Yeah, sorry about that! Rule #23 is usually what gets most guys. Post #11 has tips on how to avoid that. In your case, perhaps the safety chain keeps Mom / Aunt out? Also, if you had been between the girl & the cash, when the disturbance starts you scoop the cash and leave.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage&p=3111701#post3111701.

Gator145
10-14-16, 13:07
Damn shame. She's kinda cute.Agreed she is rather cute. But I've had reports that same cuteness can send you right to the doctors office. Or even worse to divorce court. On top of that there are reports she will cash and dash. I never go on how a hooker looks. It's been my experience if there are reports of cash and dash or STDs then I go out of my way to avoid them. There generally is some truth to the claims. Just is not worth the risk, plain and simple. I had three different reports on that specific girl. When I get reports like that I will share them with the membership. Let them decide if they would like to take the chance. None of us want to be taking anything home to the wife or significant other that could destroy the relationship.

With the increased risk on the stroll of adverse encounters it is the responsibility of each and every member to get that info on this forum so that others can benefit from it.

Any monger that has encounters with any hooker that poses risk to other mongers post your findings here. If you have a hard time writing a report send it to me in a private message and I will get the info posted.

There are to many rip offs and risky health encounters around. We need to share whatever info you might have that could benefit all here.

Great job on your report James Carrington. I imagine the end result of your meeting was somewhat embarrassing but your post is beneficial to others that may consider meeting that specific provider. That was part of your learning experience. I doubt that will happen to to again.

Cephlapodlove is 100% correct. The most important part of your hobby begins here with reading the rules of engagement. Then read them again. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

FlyGuyEddie007
01-31-17, 01:06
Watch out fellas stasha aka Jamie is back on the k Ave near the 711 Notorious rip off artist and her shadow is near by.

Gator145
05-15-17, 04:05
Every time I find this out or hear of it I'm going to post it here until it stops. I don't care who doesn't like it or don't believe it. I don't like when I hear there are cash and dash girls on the prowl. I don't like when I hear about mongers getting robbed. I don't like the work crew thinking mongers are easy targets. That we will take whatever lumps dished out, put our tail between our legs and move on. What really burns my ass is when I hear it directly from the girls mouth telling me exactly that this past Thursday. She said she robbed an Asian and has been doing cash and dash for "easy money". Then she runs up to Kip and Cambria grabs some crack and spends the next few hours shitfaced. When the crack runs out she does it all over again. In my mind that hinges right around clam shit and raw sewage.

This is a classic example why its so Important to get pics of these girls whenever possible to share with the membership that are now at risk should they start this activity. At least they will know what these girls look like and can avoid them.

This girls name is Melissa and goes by the street name of Brittany. Recently became homeless for the second or third time in the last year or two.

These pics are of that girl. She hangs with the crack addicts at Huntingdon. Right there by the Chinese store. Last time I saw her was Sunday night. Still had on the same clothes she had on for the past week. So I can't imagine anyone wanting to date her in the first place. I know there are those that find that sort of thing exciting. So whatever floats your raft is fine with me. My position is this is not here say. This is what the horse told me personally.

She was running around Thursday night bragging she had just robbed an Asian guy. I highly doubt she was seeking an Asian per se. I think anyone would due that had a few bucks.

It is my firm belief that she will run up against the wrong guy trying this shit and she will get a face full of fist real quick if she's lucky. If she's unlucky she will get much more.

Now just this past week Sacramento was faced with a bag of crap like Melissa. And here we are faced with another trying the same circus act. So apparently we are being sought out as easy targets. That's you me and everyone that engages in this hobby. Now this girl has warrants. One would think she would lay low to avoid detection. That says how brazen and downright dangerous this scumbag is.

My strong suggestion is NEVER show more cash or valuables than you are prepared to part with. This girl is trouble with a capital "T". Avoid her at all costs. If she's wearing the same clothes for a week at a time its my trained observation she's unclean with the rest of her body.

If you somehow find yourself in her company after being warned, you might do well to just leave her in whatever remote spot you frequent for the safety of all of us. If you find that to be a bit drastic another suggestion would be to engage her for a "date" and get to your spot and give her a taste of her own meds so to speak. Just reverse the process. Don't give her what she wants but make sure you get what you want.

Until these girls understand we aren't going to take crap like this it will continue. It's up to each of us to either not patronize girls that do this stuff. Or make them wish they never started doing it. We got rid of crazy Katie this way and we can do it with these other cum dumpsters. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

High Pockets
08-17-17, 18:38
I wonder why no one posted about the rip off experience on the main backpage reviewer board. I woulda seen it and avoided being duped. I fell victim to her 2 days ago and that's actually why I came on here to report. Just something told me to head here to the rip off threads before going into the main forum and lo and behold I happen to see this.

Anyways, same MO she used on me as the other guys. This time it was at the motel 6. I went in. She started giving head and then 10 minutes into in, knock on door. Her mother and "aunt" come in. And I had to leave. Never again.Believe it or not, Gia is still posting her multiple ads on the Philly Backpage.

Something bad has to happen to this girl, which is a shame; her pics show a nice looking slim girl.

Guess that's why we fall for it.

I only got stung once. Never again.

Gator145
08-18-17, 12:56
Believe it or not, Gia is still posting her multiple ads on the Philly Backpage.

Something bad has to happen to this girl, which is a shame; her pics show a nice looking slim girl.

Guess that's why we fall for it.

I only got stung once. Never again.Wouldn't it be nice if a few guys got together and did the same thing to these girls that rip off others. Sorry to hear this happened to you. I agree 100% something bad needs to happen to her. She's been doing this for years. Over and over to unsuspecting people. Her along with a few others posted on this thread need a good ass thumping. Take that any way you read it. A couple guys can get together and have one pick her up and surprise her somewhere very quiet the way she surprises others. Remember she doesn't know whos car she's getting into or where it will lead. So we all hold the magic wand not her. She just tends to have bigger balls than the rest of us.

A few words of caution when on the playground. No matter BP or the street. Never ever go to a location suggested by the girl. Even if she is legit it leaves you open for anything to happen. Your risk level increases 100 fold. The temptation is just to great for an addict to resist. Always keep a can of pepper spray close by. Available at Walmart. https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=mace%20triple%20action%20police%20pepper%20spray&typeahead=mace. Or just carry a baggie with cayenne pepper or ordinary beach sand in it. This can be tossed in their face and eyes to disable them. The person that remains in control usually comes out the victor.

Gia of course isn't the only one that thinks we are easy marks. They all have a story to part you from your money. They never ever can just go do the date and leave. They all want more. You offer $50 they ask for 60. Then they want you to buy them food and drink. Get that, can you buy them an outfit and a pack of smokes. It's always more, more, more. They are greedy and will not stop till there is no more to get from you. They are the biggest con artists around. I do agree some are in a bad situation. But they all put themselves there. They shove the needle into their own arm. Glad you was not injured. Best not to give any money up front. When the deed is done then give a donation. If we could get all the lunk heads to do that we wouldn't be facing these issues. Oh well what are you going to do. The little head runs ahead of the big head and trouble ensues. Best of luck in the future. Don't let that happen again. Whenever possible get a photo of their face so it can be posted here. Most know what Gia looks like already. Been seeing her hustling around Kensington and Lehigh. She was sleeping in the vacant lot there for a while. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

Syberman2006
08-19-17, 12:38
Believe it or not, Gia is still posting her multiple ads on the Philly Backpage.

Something bad has to happen to this girl, which is a shame; her pics show a nice looking slim girl.

Guess that's why we fall for it.

I only got stung once. Never again.Is this your Gia, watch your back, also watch this number 267-714-4720 another ripoff girl, be careful and safe.

Mackeral1
08-19-17, 14:06
Is this your Gia, watch your back, also watch this number 267-714-4720 another ripoff girl, be careful and safe.Gia's got a nice looking little beaver on her though. Just sayin.

JTown74
08-22-17, 15:59
Her current ad is:

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cas/d/hey-there-w4m/6253917113.html

The prior one is Friday BBBJ.

It's not a total rip off. She's a nice girl, massage is passable. She won't undress, no promised BBBJ. Constantly left room for packages. Took phone calls. Lots of them.

I'd avoid.

Apologies, but can't remember her name.

High Pockets
08-24-17, 13:53
Is this your Gia, watch your back, also watch this number 267-714-4720 another ripoff girl, be careful and safe.Yes, that's the girl. So, so tempting. Then it all comes crashing down.

I'd like to know if anyone has had any success with this woman.

Gator145
09-30-17, 11:35
GregorSamsa, sorry to hear of your encounter with Teea. You are the third person that I've heard had bad contact with that lowlife. Two other people emailed me with basically the same scenario but with different details.

One guy said she saw him on the street. Walked up and began a conversation. Told him she had been working for a carnival at Neshaminy Mall and got fired. He didn't mention the reason. Not that it makes much difference. Carnival workers are known thieves.

Both accounts of my contacts vary little. They said she wanted to do a date. They claimed to have no money.

She dazzled them with a load of bullshit about how handsome they are and how she finds them attractive. Would love to spend more time with them.

So much so that she offers to suck their dick for free and the next time they see her they should throw her ten or twenty to return the favor.

Of course they both fell for that hook line and sinker.

Here's where they both said the same thing. They decide to get in the vehicle and find a spot to do the deed. On the way to a spot, she decides she can't wait any longer and tells them she wants to do it while they drive. Sounds all and good. Free BJ on the road while driving. People driving past wondering why you are smiling. She unfastens the pants and while she's sliding the pants out of the way, it's my best guess that's when she does her dirty work.

One of the contacts gave me her number seven one nine six seven one four three seven one.

There are enough oddities to this encounter that others should steer very clear of her for obvious reasons.

First her claim to be a carnival worker. Contact with carnival workers male or female is a no no from the gate. Known liars, cheats and lowlife.

Second the area code 719.

Third her name, Teea.

Fourth a free BJ. Nothing in this world is free.

Remember that. These four clues alone should be a wake up alarm to dump her post haste. Every one of these clues stands out like a sore thumb.

Would be cool if some guys would call her and arrange a meeting and put play money wrapped by three one dollar bills in their pockets. Be your first three dollar BJ. That would fuck her over.

I want to thank Gregor Samsa for sharing his adventure with the rest of us. Your post will certainly help some. There are always going to be those that think they can beat the odds and they will be the next story here.

There's been an increase of cash and dash incidents out there. Want to advise everyone to be on your toes and don't be the next victim. I think the girls are looking at it like it is. They guys won't go to the police. It's important for everyone here to get on the same page and refuse up front money. If we don't then its going to continue. I have seen some messed up faces and black eyes on girls that have tried and failed. So whoever is clocking those girls the rest of us do appreciate your vigilance. Don't think you won't be a victim. That mindset already makes you one. I know of a case a monger had been seeing a girl regular for a few months. He gave her some seed money to get well. GONE. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

RegPark
10-27-17, 14:42
Had a session with this woman, and two minutes into it she answer her phone and talked for three with some guy. Then after she hung up she tells me I have five minutes left. Waste of time waste of money. Plus she did act erratic like she was no something. This is in Philadelphia, advertising on Backpages. I would not recommend her, because she will cut your session short. http://philadelphia.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/0-me-or-dominican-haitian-mami-tripple-threat-service-to-g-d-to-be-true/55019497.

Gator145
11-03-17, 23:27
This one warrants all the exposure she can get. This is just a heads up for those of you that remember her. Crazy Katie is back and working the same location as before, the area around The K and Venango. For those of you that do not know her be extremely careful in that area. She will not think twice about pulling a knife on you or cutting your upholstery to get what she wants. She hasn't changed much over the last few years. Still a bit chubby. Looks like she went to a brick fight and forgot her bricks. Very very unattractive. She probably didn't spend much on Halloween costume as she always looks like she ready for Halloween. Don't be her next victim. She's ruthless.

All kidding aside. If you are in the area from Tioga to Venango watch out for this one. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

Farouk
11-16-17, 02:53
I had seen this girl several times from summer to fall at a place she shared with another girl. Pretty much always an amazing time, but the last few times I got the feeling something wants right. I'm always careful to only have what I need on me, personal protection in place, my ride parked far enough away etc. But, my last time there several weeks ago, some shit went down, nobody got laid, and I went home light some cash. It was a sketchy situation, and I was lucky to figure out what was going on before I was completely robbed or someone shot. Whether he was her pimp or roommates boyfriend, don't know or care. Checked my dash cam when I got home and saw the dude checking out my truck 4 blocks away right after I parked it, so you can never be to careful.

She reached out to me later and apologized, offered to make it up to me, but I'm not that desperate. STAY AWAY. Her number has changed a dozen times, and I've seen her ads on CL and BP. Uses the name Kay, or just K. Shame, as she was amazing.

Gator145
11-16-17, 11:15
I had seen this girl several times from summer to fall at a place she shared with another girl. Pretty much always an amazing time, but the last few times I got the feeling something wants right. I'm always careful to only have what I need on me, personal protection in place, my ride parked far enough away etc. But, my last time there several weeks ago, some shit went down, nobody got laid, and I went home light some cash. It was a sketchy situation, and I was lucky to figure out what was going on before I was completely robbed or someone shot. Whether he was her pimp or roommates boyfriend, don't know or care. Checked my dash cam when I got home and saw the dude checking out my truck 4 blocks away right after I parked it, so you can never be to careful.

She reached out to me later and apologized, offered to make it up to me, but I'm not that desperate. STAY AWAY. Her number has changed a dozen times, and I've seen her ads on CL and BP. Uses the name Kay, or just K. Shame, as she was amazing.Whenever we encounter rip offs it's our duty to post that here. It not only helps other mongers stay safe it also cuts down on the girls productivity. To bring to light another area of note this is happening more and more is Huntingdon station, around the corner on Jasper St, over by Emerald City there have been an increase of cash and dash. I've been told by Mongers this week alone there are at least seven, count them seven reports of cash and dash incidents. One of the girls name is Brooke. Medium height pretty girl with red hair. The other girl is "Jess" hanging and living around Emerald City. For those that don't know, Emerald City is at Emerald and Lehigh under the bridge. I have been told some guys are losing twenty, thirty, forty, one as much as seventy. The cash and dash is never going to stop out there. No matter how many reports of rip offs we post someone is going to think a girl can be trusted. Not so. Keep in mind that their own family can't trust them that's why the are on the streets,. So why should any of us trust them.

If Mongers don't want to take our suggestion to stop giving these girls money to pick up before the date then here's another solution to lower the risk. Everyone should stop carrying twentys. Going forward only carry five's and tens. If an agreed upon price is lets say fifty and you feel you just must let her get her stuff then try this. Tell her you will give her ten to go get it she can come back drop it off you will give her another ten and repeat until she gets what she needs. Or give her a five and repeat the same process. Tell her to get nicks instead of dimes. She don't like it tell her to find another date. That will immediately cut the cash and dash losses to five or ten instead of the higher numbers. Of course they will all say how they don't do things like this but we set policy not them. Just tell them to thank the other girls that screwed it up for them. They know who they are. They all talk about who they fucked over. So let them come up with a better solution. So this suggestion will work if implemented by one and all. Then anyone that gets ripped off for more than five or ten at a time deserves what they get. Me I'm just an 'OL Gator.

SoloGuy
11-17-17, 13:34
If Mongers don't want to take our suggestion to stop giving these girls money to pick up before the date then here's another solution to lower the risk. Everyone should stop carrying twentys. Going forward only carry five's and tens. If an agreed upon price is lets say fifty and you feel you just must let her get her stuff then try this. Tell her you will give her ten to go get it she can come back drop it off you will give her another ten and repeat until she gets what she needs. Or give her a five and repeat the same process. Tell her to get nicks instead of dimes. She don't like it tell her to find another date. That will immediately cut the cash and dash losses to five or ten instead of the higher numbers. Of course they will all say how they don't do things like this but we set policy not them. Just tell them to thank the other girls that screwed it up for them. They know who they are. They all talk about who they fucked over. So let them come up with a better solution. So this suggestion will work if implemented by one and all. Then anyone that gets ripped off for more than five or ten at a time deserves what they get. Me I'm just an 'OL Gator.Gator, let me start by saying I enjoy your posts and for the most part agree with you on various points. However, it is one thing to think or believe or even perhaps know some of these girls take the money to feed bad habits. It is quite another to give them money for the specific purpose of buying, and awaiting their return knowing the money you just gave them was turned over to bad guys. It is more than enabling IMHO. It is being downright complicit. Just MHO.

Gator145
11-17-17, 23:46
Gator, let me start by saying I enjoy your posts and for the most part agree with you on various points. However, it is one thing to think or believe or even perhaps know some of these girls take the money to feed bad habits. It is quite another to give them money for the specific purpose of buying, and awaiting their return knowing the money you just gave them was turned over to bad guys. It is more than enabling IMHO. It is being downright complicit. Just MHO.Thank you for your compliment. I do agree with you to a certain point sir and stops there. That point being mongers cannot with any certainty know what the money is being used for. That girl could be taking that money around the corner to her sick mother or any number of uses. So in all fairness to you there is no doubt in my mind that part of what you are saying is 50% or more true.

The complicity is an after effect based upon conjecture.

I have known girls to use the cash for cigarettes, food, lodging, car fare, or other necessities. I personally know girls that do that daily. I've seen them do it. If they contract cancer from smoking does that make monger enablers also. I don't think so. If they become obese did the mongers enable that as well? Highly doubtful.

Now let's look at the whole picture. If every monger was to take heed and just say "gosh I didn't know that, or I had no idea". It wouldn't change what has been set in stone since the beginning of time. Assuming all mongers did agree with your thoughts and decided to mend their ways, would there be a mass exodus to every known rehab, half way house or detox center? I think not. The addiction is stronger than any one act or group of us. Better minds than ours can't come up with a viable solution to the problem of addiction. Are they enablers for failing also? What about the churches that bring food, coats and blankets to the addicts? Are they enablers for helping them have the nourishment they need to continue life for another day? Knowing fully well they are addicts.

The dealers, the bad guys, the rip offs, the over doses are just an element of the trickle down effect of the addiction.

Now if that were to happen then the crimes committed by the girls would be far worse than a cash and dash incidents that are on the rise now. No matter how well made your point is it's all part of the evil system thrown at these girls and guys. Is there a sensible solution to the madness? Who knows? I'm not sure. What I am sure of is to date the solution hasn't been presented. Maybe you have a solution in mind?

The addiction was not created by any one or group of mongers giving the addicts money. That is something they had long before they came to that area. I personally know mongers that freely give addicts money to eat. I've witnessed that. What they do with the money I don't know. I respect your opinion but I find the enabling argument quite weak at best.

It is my very strong opinion the government does not wish to find a solution. I'm sure we all would like to see a viable answer to the madness. Who more than mongers sees the actual destruction prostitution and drugs rains down on the community and surrounding areas. If there indeed is a solution to the problem then someone should present it so the scourge can go away. Do you see that happening? I don't. It hasn't happened in the last fifty years in that area that I know of. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

JayCurvedLeft
11-21-17, 18:27
Sunday night I was in the mood so hit the stroll after midnight and ended up on jasper and see a WSW walking past Albert street so I pull over she's wearing a black leather jacket to her waist has a hat on and black shoe boots is thick has a fat ass and ok face but looked like she didn't belong looking too clean so I rode out the area just in case if she was undercover so we talk and she says she does it for a fetish so I ask what she wants for head and she says $40 so I say I only have $25 so she says it's cool so I'm trying to find a spot then she says her mouth is dry and needs a drink and I said I can take you to a store afterwards but she said she can't do anything with her mouth dry so she wanted to go to a store so at this point I'm crossing lehigh I believe front or second but I see a gas station and she says no let's go to another place so I end up on a street where no store is open and dark but lighted where I parked and ironically a le was parked three blocks ahead of me so she says I'll be right back so I said ok then she says the money so I give her $3 and she said you said 25 then I said yeah you can get something with that and when you come back you'll get the rest so she thinks for a minute then says I'll be back so she walks up the street behind where I parked and she walked into darkness so I knew she wasn't coming back but waited a couple minutes and as I turn the car on I see her walk up in the rearview but she went back wherever she went obviously she thought I left so if you happen to see this chick avoid.

Noraax81
11-22-17, 10:10
Sunday night I was in the mood so hit the stroll after midnight and ended up on jasper and see a WSW walking past Albert street so I pull over she's wearing a black leather jacket to her waist has a hat on and black shoe boots is thick has a fat ass and ok face but looked like she didn't belong looking too clean so I rode out the area just in case if she was undercover so we talk and she says she does it for a fetish so I ask what she wants for head and she says $40 so I say I only have $25 so she says it's cool so I'm trying to find a spot then she says her mouth is dry and needs a drink and I said I can take you to a store afterwards but she said she can't do anything with her mouth dry so she wanted to go to a store so at this point I'm crossing lehigh I believe front or second but I see a gas station and she says no let's go to another place so I end up on a street where no store is open and dark but lighted where I parked and ironically a le was parked three blocks ahead of me so she says I'll be right back so I said ok then she says the money so I give her $3 and she said you said 25 then I said yeah you can get something with that and when you come back you'll get the rest so she thinks for a minute then says I'll be back so she walks up the street behind where I parked and she walked into darkness so I knew she wasn't coming back but waited a couple minutes and as I turn the car on I see her walk up in the rearview but she went back wherever she went obviously she thought I left so if you happen to see this chick avoid.Geez. Thanks for the heads-up.

Gator145
11-22-17, 10:15
I'll be right back so I said ok then she says the money so I give her $3 and she said you said 25 then I said yeah you can get something with that and when you come back you'll get the rest so she thinks for a minute then says I'll be back so she walks up the street behind where I parked and she walked into darkness so I knew she wasn't coming back but waited a couple minutes and as I turn the car on I see her walk up in the rearview but she went back wherever she went obviously she thought I left so if you happen to see this chick avoid.Good report Jay. It never ceases to amaze this old dog how low an addict will crawl for whatever they can get.

Wow $3. 00. I try to impress upon the board just how brazen they are. They will crawl over a minefield covered in dog shit if it means one more hit. You was gracious enough to give her $3. 00. I would have given her the finger and told her to find another date.

I never believe that mouth is dry bullshit. I do keep a bottle of water in my vehicle just for that lame excuse. You did as well as could be expected under the circumstances. At least you showed her there is one less fool on the street besides her. So a pat on the back to you Jay. Keep up the good work. Me, I,m just an 'Ol Gator.