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Smokarz_XO
08-14-13, 19:03
Terrible week in my bowl career so far.

HYBAA Pot. The one that went silence last week, which I reconnected and set up a lunch date with this Monday pulled the same act again. Txt her in the morning of the date, everything went fine and she said she's ready. Half an hour before our appointed date, I went to pick up lunch and call her to let her know I am on my way and should be there in about 15 min. She sounded confused and somewhat panicky, she asked to put me on hold. I waited for her on the phone for a few minutes and complete silence. Tried to call and txt her, but it seems she shut off her phone. I knew I should have moved on from this one after her first disappearance act. Bad call on my part.

Another HYB AA Po. 21yr. Exchanged txts with her for a few days. Set up a date at the FC, everything seems good. Half an hour before our meeting, she txt me and said she's on her way and got a flat tire and told me she's having her car towed back home. I asked her to take a pic of her flat tire and show me, haven't seen a pic since. Another flake.

Been trying to set up a second date with my mini Byonce HYB AA but her schedule been too busy. But it seems she's still hunting for better deals, since I see her logged onto the site every day. I am not keep my hopes up on this one. I might just tell her I've made other arrangements if she txt me again (we still txt pretty much every day) , and see if that put some urgency on her.

I've never had failures like this before. Pretty much all my dates and have up on the appointed time and place and we got down to business. I guess if you play this game long enough, you'll encounter pretty much all sort of things.

HollywoodGuy
08-14-13, 19:23
Been trying to set up a second date with my mini Byonce HYB AA but her schedule been too busy. But it seems she's still hunting for better deals, since I see her logged onto the site every day. I am not keep my hopes up on this one. I might just tell her I've made other arrangements if she txt me again (we still txt pretty much every day) , and see if that put some urgency on her.If she is on every every day. She is a pro or UTR. When biz is slow she will see you. If you really like her keep her as a booty call girl only. You never know, she might be ready on one of your slow days. You could be paying half her going rate.

MJehl
08-14-13, 20:58
Hello, bro-mongers.

I have only been doing this for a week and it kinda shows. I read the forum and try not to be an idiot but I am who I am.

All except for one POT flaked out for MnG. The one that I had high hopes for was the only one that I got to meet. Read and tell me your opinion after.

Sultry POT HYB 21yrs Blakelively clone. I called her the mornings of the meet and it rings rings and goes to voicemail. I tell her to call me back if it is still on. I text her and she responds that she can't wait. Its an hour drive but I show up early and text her that I am there. She text back that her battery is not working and is asking around for a jump. I ask if I can just drive to her place. She says yes and gives me the address. 5min from her place and I get a call from her. She wants me to buy a verizon card because her phone is about to die. I say ok, no problem. I had already gotten her a card and chocolates but those can be delayed til next time. I arrive and she greets me with a long hug. She is a few inches taller than me and smells great! Her place is in bad shape. Studio with holes in the walls and closet doors with bad hinges. And it smells of cigarettes although the ashtray is empty. I ask to use the bathroom because I needed to wiz and to make sure we were alone. I come back out and open the bottle of wine I brought and sit on her bed and talk for a few hours. She is a bit nervous but seems intelligent and genuine. I hear her life story and add bits of mine here and there. She laughs at my sarcasm and touches my arms and hands every now and then. She has on tights and a tank top with a low front. Everything looks perfect. Her face has some acne becuz she says she ran out of her cream and hasn't gotten a new one yet. We talk about the arrangement, once a week for a month to try things out, and she would like it to be as often as I like. I have to get back to work and tell her I am leaving. She kisses me and we french for a while with heavy petting. I almost stayed but was already cutting it close with my drive. I tell her I got to go and will be back as agreed. She lets me know there will be more next time and to. Text when I get to work so she doesn't worry. I leave I. Good spirits. Arrive at work and let her know I am fine. We text a bit into the night. Next day she barely responds with long periods of silence. I get a text saying she has phone problems and is powering it on and off. Today I text and message comes back that caller no longer receiving messages. I call and voice says phone no longer in service. So here I am venting and waiting.

I hope its not always this hard. I know I got to improve my game.

Take care and have fun.

MoJo

HollywoodGuy
08-14-13, 22:45
You may have noticed that if you click on the login button (which takes forever to load) and then the home page (which my also take forever to load) and then do a search using the left side drop downs, that it could take forever and ever forever.

Next time, skip the login button, just click on the search button on the navigation bar at the top. You will almost immediately be logged in. Then set up an advanced search (also very fast).

When you go to the site after that, go straight to the search button, then click search on that page (your old search is saved).

Huge time saver.

HollywoodGuy
08-15-13, 00:18
I have to get this out here. This is on sd4me.

Normally I send my intro letter, and thats it. They either bite or they don't. It's sort of a take away. My offer is serious as I believe everyones here is as well.

Admittedly I am sitting comfortably with 3 babies. So I have really upped the stakes. Messaging girls that I would normally not waste my time on as they have GPS written all over them.

So, I am sending out the intro letter (which is a bit sexy, direct and with the $ offer if they are sexual but no pressure for intercourse on the first date) and checking to see if they have read it. If there is no reply (also I delete the read message from the sent box so they know I don't really give a shit) I wait about a week and then I send this.

"I"m not all bad. LOL. Just when you need me to be."

I have now gotten 2 what I would consider typically out of reach girls to message me back and one shy 19 (which I like) but less than awesome looking girl. (meeting her for lunch tomorrow)

I have met the first one. (super hot 27 petite latina) She is smitten. Civi dated her 2 nites ago. She refused to let me spend a dime and even pushed back the parking lot cash. We have been light sexting till the next date which will be in a day or two. She is over ripe for attention, some of which I have described to her. So she knows a few of my skills and has agreed to partake.

Number 2 is a very cute super petite asian 25. This line is only going to work on girls that really are looking for more than the dollars. Excellent qualifier IMHO. Please someone else try this.

HollywoodGuy
08-15-13, 02:45
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&id=2740138

Don't some of you guys live near there. I would over pay for this

HappyHunter44
08-15-13, 04:04
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&id=2740138

Don't some of you guys live near there. I would over pay for thisI second that thought. Damn that is nice. Wish I lived there or close.

KingGreg
08-15-13, 10:39
The face / profile looks familiar. Perhaps our resident sleuth and image guru Fotog has some idea of who she is?Has anyone had M&G with this SB? Anyone seen pictures?

BikeRider
08-15-13, 10:52
"I"m not all bad. LOL. Just when you need me to be."I've done something similar for years. If the woman looks at my profile either after I sent her an email or from just random browsing, I'll send her a short note like the following.

Subject: It's only polite to....

Say hi to someone after you perve their profile.

I'd say about 50% of the women reply back with a LOL. It's up to your game then to either keep them or loose them.

Humor is an incredible way to attract women. Just look at David Spade's dating history: http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_30/david-spade/datinghistory

BikeRider
08-15-13, 10:58
I worked the ads on SD4ME for several months, paying the full access fee. I paid by money order since I heard that they wouldn't quit charging a CC once they got the number. So that is the first piece of advise don't use a CC.Get a Vanilla Master Card or Visa and put enough for one month only on it.

BikeRider
08-15-13, 11:00
http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&id=2740138

Don't some of you guys live near there. I would over pay for thisHell of an ass.

MJehl
08-15-13, 16:31
Hello bro-mongers.

I had written off my sultry POT but she called me today with a different number. Said her phone was off for a day and is getting bad reception. She agreed to meet tomorow and seemed enthusiastic about it. I still have my doubts but am looking forward to that body of hers. Little head is winning at the moment.

How often do you keep in touch with your SB? Daily? Weekly? Every few days? Talk or text or email? I don't want to seem too eager but just enough to keep me on her mind in a good way.

The good news is that I have had 10 POTs that have contacted me. The bad news is that none of them have passed the screening process. Oh well. Live to monger another day.

Take care and have fun.

MoJo

Wnde8
08-15-13, 17:37
Does anyone bang their sugar-babies in the back of a large vehicle? I'm looking into getting a camper van for recreational purposes and I'm thinking this may even become an investment against the cost of hotel rooms --- IF (and this is a big if) sugar babies are comfortable with it.

HollywoodGuy
08-15-13, 20:30
Does anyone bang their sugar-babies in the back of a large vehicle? I'm looking into getting a camper van for recreational purposes and I'm thinking this may even become an investment against the cost of hotel rooms --- IF (and this is a big if) sugar babies are comfortable with it.Girls love car dates and adventure. But not everytime. Although I had one babe that refuse to let me get a room. And we only did car dates

HollywoodGuy
08-15-13, 20:45
I found a girl on sd4me about 2 weeks ago that fit my demographic. A 21 year old AA HCB (5'5" 125) on summer break that lived nearby. I haven't done a m&g in about 2 months due to financial constraints and just seeing my regulars. I sent her my m&g letter and she sent me her phone number. I finally followed up yesterday. She had already dropped off the site and said she couldn't remember who I was when I first txted her.

After refreshing her memory she seemed eager as she took the train for 30 minutes to a nearby station. I took her to lunch and she agreed to a 2 hour session for a $. Right at that moment my daughter txted and said she needed to borrow my car to go to the doctor as hers was in the shop. This prevented me from being able to take her back to the train on time. We went back to the car and made out a little, she said I was cute and asked if she was a good kisser.

We agreed to meet later and I took her back to the train station. Later came and went. No txt. So she went from a definite lets do it, to MIA. That is the closest I have come to doing it and then not doing it. Shows you why following up so fast is so important. These newbie girls are very flighty and can get cold feet very fast. Quick follow up is so critical.Well she did txt me back. Today I picked her up and went straight to the FC. We talked until I felt she was comfortable. We kissed for a few minutes and thats all it took. We were on for the next hour. She is a 7/8.5/9/9. She originally told me she was shy about the sugar and did stop going on the site as she was creeped out fast. She is definitely a keeper for now at $ per visit. She paid for her own train ticket. A very sweet and quiet girl. Almost too quiet in bed. I asked her to tell me when she was cumming, but I just had to go by what I could feel as she was lost in the moment.

As i do date mostly spinners, it was a little different being with a normally proportioned girl. She had beautiful C cups. And spinners are always like A's and B's (unless they are fake). Also as I am thin myself I get to pretzel up with the spinners. Things you could never do with a thick girl, but i managed pretty good with this one.

It's so easy to get sex off that site, but it's not so easy to find someone you are truly comfortable with. This is my first new girl in the FC in 3 months and the first girl that will be a repeater in 5 months. After being loyal for so long I just can't take it anymore. I plan on doing a few more interviews as this girl has renewed my attitude for the hunt. It really is a numbers game. I asked her after we were done how long it had been since she had sex (since she seemed so ready). She said 4 months. It's extra nice to know she broke that for me. And there are a lot of lonely skittish girls out there. Real non pros waiting for the right guy. And thats us.

Also I made her fully aware of my 3 babies and showed her pics. She has no problem fitting into my rotation. And appreciated the fact that I was honest.

Like Jerry always says. The final thought. We are gods gift to these girls as they are to us. They are not SW's or escorts. Most of the guys on here I would describe as gentleman. And this is our reward for so many years of being nice guys. Yes we have an edge and some game. And sometimes we play them off. And sometimes they return the favor. But it's all good in the neighborhood.

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Revvo
08-15-13, 21:14
That is an awesome story Hollywood. It shows how important followed and the numbers aspect of this game is.

And when you do get this large numbers it gives you a great pool of babies to follow up with. Or them to follow up with you.

More power to you.

Revvo

FredMoore
08-15-13, 22:54
As I do date mostly spinners, it was a little different being with a normally proportioned girl. (Hollywood)

It is funny how our perceptions are different. I also love spinners and I would call this lovely a spinner.

A lot of guys in the club seem to be loving and caring, which belies the fact that most players are cads. These girls should be proud to have a guy like Hollywood and many others here.

HollywoodGuy
08-15-13, 23:30
5"0'.95 lbs max.

5"1'.97 lbs max.

5"2'.99 lbs max.

5"3'.101 lbs max.

5"4'.103 lbs max.

5"5'.105 lbs max.

5"6'.107 lbs max.

5'7'.110 lbs max.

I admit these numbers are low (add 3 to 5 lbs.depending on height to adjust for breast and booty). And in most parts of the country they would be considered anorexic. But this is Hollyood (land of the impossibly thin). My current ATF princess is 5"5' and 100 lbs (pictured). Even my MILF who is 5"5' is only 110 lbs after 5 kids. (she gained 5 lbs since I met her). The numbers could go up depending on bust and hip size, but I prefer small breasts and hips.

My last ATF before the princess was 5"7' and 117 lbs and she was spinnerish. Muscle tone is also a factor as it weighs more than fat. So a very in shape girl can weigh more than an out of shape one yet be smaller. (cookie jars photos are good examples of skinny fat girls). They are malnourished, thin but flabby. not all the time and not ragging on CJ.

I can't spin anyone over 5"7'. LOL. So there are no weight charts. The average runway model is about 5"9' and 115 lbs.

The girl from today was far far away from spinner status. Just a nice healthy girl. I tried to spin her, couldn't really do it. it was more of a careful realigning of the body. She was hard as a rock so that was nice. I like very worked out girls. Gym rat types or they look it. But very few spinners have to work at it, It's genetics.

As I am not that strong I can only comfortably lift 100 to 110 lbs of girl. And I realize beauty is subjective. I also only date ABW as a rule. (anything but white) and i find these girls to be more toned than the white girls who rely more on their ethnicity and pretty face to get by (or if they are all that, they usually have an advanced case of GPS).

It actually blows my mind that even some very average white girls with average looks want $$ a meet.

BigTigger
08-16-13, 05:57
Now that is what I call smokin! Almost makes me want to get back out there!


Well she did txt me back. Today I picked her up and went straight to the FC. We talked until I felt she was comfortable. We kissed for a few minutes and thats all it took. We were on for the next hour. She is a 7/8. 5/9/9. She originally told me she was shy about the sugar and did stop going on the site as she was creeped out fast. She is definitely a keeper for now at $ per visit. She paid for her own train ticket. A very sweet and quiet girl. Almost too quiet in bed. I asked her to tell me when she was cumming, but I just had to go by what I could feel as she was lost in the moment.

As I do date mostly spinners, it was a little different being with a normally proportioned girl. She had beautiful C cups. And spinners are always like A's and B's (unless they are fake). Also as I am thin myself I get to pretzel up with the spinners. Things you could never do with a thick girl, but I managed pretty good with this one.

It's so easy to get sex off that site, but it's not so easy to find someone you are truly comfortable with. This is my first new girl in the FC in 3 months and the first girl that will be a repeater in 5 months. After being loyal for so long I just can't take it anymore. I plan on doing a few more interviews as this girl has renewed my attitude for the hunt. It really is a numbers game. I asked her after we were done how long it had been since she had sex (since she seemed so ready). She said 4 months. It's extra nice to know she broke that for me. And there are a lot of lonely skittish girls out there. Real non pros waiting for the right guy. And thats us.

Also I made her fully aware of my 3 babies and showed her pics. She has no problem fitting into my rotation. And appreciated the fact that I was honest.

Like Jerry always says. The final thought. We are gods gift to these girls as they are to us. They are not SW's or escorts. Most of the guys on here I would describe as gentleman. And this is our reward for so many years of being nice guys. Yes we have an edge and some game. And sometimes we play them off. And sometimes they return the favor. But it's all good in the neighborhood.

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BigTigger
08-16-13, 06:00
Does anyone bang their sugar-babies in the back of a large vehicle? I'm looking into getting a camper van for recreational purposes and I'm thinking this may even become an investment against the cost of hotel rooms --- IF (and this is a big if) sugar babies are comfortable with it.I've done this a few times, but definitely not exclusive. Surprisingly, most happen on first dates when time is limited and the sexual tension is flowing. I've had all types in the big backseat, but like Hollywood said, I'd not make it my only area. Remember, you are supposed to be an SD, what kind of SD can't afford a room. Even if you can, car dates only come across as cheap and potentially feeling more like a prostitute.

BT

BigTigger
08-16-13, 06:04
ATF is steady in tow, meeting once to twice a week. No real funds exchanged. I have $$.5 about a month ago, I've done the Tiggabounce at least 4 to 5 times since then. She's more of a gf type. Works for me.

Met MsLatina two days ago, it was a nice time. She did tone down some of her loudness, not all. She's very affectionate and has great orgasms. She's back in the rotation. $

NurseBooty is getting very little attention, but she's still hanging in there. $

2 from my STL trip are ready to fly in.

1 from SC is on the hook to meet and have a hot overnight session.

I've not been on any site for months. Just working with my current TiggaHarem

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Oh probably around the fall I will work on getting at least one from OBC, Tagged and Arrangement Finders. For some reason I get a kick out of having success off every site that I've tried. Some weird ego trip, LOL.

MJehl
08-16-13, 16:06
Sultry POT is now SultryHYB. Drove to her place without calling because her earlier texts she seemed enthusiastic to meet. Halfway there I get a call asking if we are still meeting. I let her know I am already on my way and she says she can't wait. She greets me with a hug and french kissing. I tell her she should eat her breakfast because she will need the energy later. I prepare a mimosa for her and open some wine for myself. We chat for a bit then kiss and heavy petting. My hands tell me she is going commando. It is trimmed and wet. DATY then BBBJ then cover then CG then missionary then legs up. She is a moaner and lets me know each time she cums. Switch to doggie to finish. She is sweaty and gasping laying there. I ask when was her last time. She says she has some toys but it has been over a year since she has been with anyone. We smoke a bit and make plans for tomorrow. She is the only Pot that has stuck so far so I am limited on options but it sure is nice to have an eager 21yr old in awe of you. I felt like college stud again but with more knowledge and staying power. This sure made up for the past week. Like hitting a home run after striking out the last 10 at bat.

I grade her 8/8/9/7. She is young but willing to learn and takes direction well. I do not mind experimenting and exploring a bit more with her.

That's it for now. I hope to a harem eventually but this is a good start.;)

Take care and have fun.

MoJo

Revvo
08-16-13, 17:52
I've done this a few times, but definitely not exclusive. Surprisingly, most happen on first dates when time is limited and the sexual tension is flowing. I've had all types in the big backseat, but like Hollywood said, I'd not make it my only area. Remember, you are supposed to be an SD, what kind of SD can't afford a room. Even if you can, car dates only come across as cheap and potentially feeling more like a prostitute.

BTI agree with brotha Tigg on this one. We all want to reduce our costs as much as possible. But if you are bringing a baby back to your "van down by the river" LOL.

Don't expect too much quality or a return visit. You are putting yourself down there In streetwalker territory.

Treat them good brother. And it will pay off in the long run.

Revvo

HollywoodGuy
08-17-13, 02:54
Sultry POT is now SultryHYB. Drove to her place without calling because her earlier texts she seemed enthusiastic to meet. Halfway there I get a call asking if we are still meeting. I let her know I am already on my way and she says she can't wait. She greets me with a hug and french kissing. I tell her she should eat her breakfast because she will need the energy later. I prepare a mimosa for her and open some wine for myself. We chat for a bit then kiss and heavy petting. My hands tell me she is going commando. It is trimmed and wet. DATY then BBBJ then cover then CG then missionary then legs up. She is a moaner and lets me know each time she cums. Switch to doggie to finish. She is sweaty and gasping laying there. I ask when was her last time. She says she has some toys but it has been over a year since she has been with anyone. We smoke a bit and make plans for tomorrow. She is the only Pot that has stuck so far so I am limited on options but it sure is nice to have an eager 21yr old in awe of you. I felt like college stud again but with more knowledge and staying power. This sure made up for the past week. Like hitting a home run after striking out the last 10 at bat.

I grade her 8/8/9/7. She is young but willing to learn and takes direction well. I do not mind experimenting and exploring a bit more with her.

That's it for now. I hope to a harem eventually but this is a good start.

Take care and have fun.

MoJoThis is a slam dunk. No reason to lose her.

Revvo
08-17-13, 07:11
Sultry POT is now SultryHYB. Drove to her place without calling because her earlier texts she seemed enthusiastic to meet. Halfway there I get a call asking if we are still meeting. I let her know I am already on my way and she says she can't wait. She greets me with a hug and french kissing. I tell her she should eat her breakfast because she will need the energy later. I prepare a mimosa for her and open some wine for myself. We chat for a bit then kiss and heavy petting. My hands tell me she is going commando. It is trimmed and wet. DATY then BBBJ then cover then CG then missionary then legs up. She is a moaner and lets me know each time she cums. Switch to doggie to finish. She is sweaty and gasping laying there. I ask when was her last time. She says she has some toys but it has been over a year since she has been with anyone. We smoke a bit and make plans for tomorrow. She is the only Pot that has stuck so far so I am limited on options but it sure is nice to have an eager 21yr old in awe of you. I felt like college stud again but with more knowledge and staying power. This sure made up for the past week. Like hitting a home run after striking out the last 10 at bat.

I grade her 8/8/9/7. She is young but willing to learn and takes direction well. I do not mind experimenting and exploring a bit more with her.

That's it for now. I hope to a harem eventually but this is a good start.

Take care and have fun.

MoJoAwesome job brotha. You are very lucky I would say. You found her early on. And in this game you can go from discouraging dry spells. That make you want to give up.

To times of amazing abundance when you are fucking so many you think your dick is going to fall off. I found my best one fairly early on. And I am still looking for one that compares to her.

But have met some other great ones along the way.

Keep up the good work. Now make sure she is locked in.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

KingGreg
08-17-13, 09:51
Need help. I met a nice SB that I like. But she is bargaining for school stuff, etc gifts and allowance. I agreed on allowance, then she started can you increase. I am poor bargainer myself. I am now debating what to do with SB.

On hand, a beautiful SB 9/9/9, 20 year old! But she looks like high maintenance, demanding, SB. She asked for etc things after our first meet and I bought some school things. But now. She want me to up the allowance which is already high compared to local market.

In double mind! I personally don't want bargainers. I want a long term with this SB but will shall see.

Like seniors have said, I need to come up with budget. And stick with it.

Dsprdo
08-17-13, 12:51
Need help. I met a nice SB that I like. But she is bargaining for school stuff, etc gifts and allowance. I agreed on allowance, then she started can you increase. I am poor bargainer myself. I am now debating what to do with SB.

On hand, a beautiful SB 9/9/9, 20 year old! But she looks like high maintenance, demanding, SB. She asked for etc things after our first meet and I bought some school things. But now. She want me to up the allowance which is already high compared to local market.

In double mind! I personally don't want bargainers. I want a long term with this SB but will shall see.

Like seniors have said, I need to come up with budget. And stick with it.I think we've all been there. You've got this hot young thing that you never thought you'd be able to get, and you don't want to lose her. You want to keep her happy so she keeps YOU happy, and your ego wants to show her that you're the man who can take care of her. What you tend to forget in the heat of the moment, is that this is all an illusion, and from the start it's going to be a temporary thing. So, you have a choice to make: you can give her whatever she asks for up until the point where she breaks the bank (and she will) ; or you can politely but firmly set limits now. You have to be willing to lose her, because someday you're going to. In the meantime you need to make sure you're on terms that you are ok with. I am not saying never give her extras or buy her gifts, but that has to be when you want to, not when she pressures you to, otherwise it will never end. Remember, her replacement probably posted on SA for the first time today.

Revvo
08-17-13, 15:05
I think we've all been there. You've got this hot young thing that you never thought you'd be able to get, and you don't want to lose her. You want to keep her happy so she keeps YOU happy, and your ego wants to show her that you're the man who can take care of her. What you tend to forget in the heat of the moment, is that this is all an illusion, and from the start it's going to be a temporary thing. So, you have a choice to make: you can give her whatever she asks for up until the point where she breaks the bank (and she will) ; or you can politely but firmly set limits now. You have to be willing to lose her, because someday you're going to. In the meantime you need to make sure you're on terms that you are ok with. I am not saying never give her extras or buy her gifts, but that has to be when you want to, not when she pressures you to, otherwise it will never end. Remember, her replacement probably posted on SA for the first time today.Dspro said it all here. Do not negotiate it will lead to bad feelings on either her part or yours. And do not give in to her demands because it will not end.

Tell her what you are willing to do and leave it at that. This arrangement will probably go nowhere and if it does it will be costly. Just remember in the time it took me to write this. Five more women signed up for that site. Supply and demand. Get into an abundance situation and this will matter very little.

Revvo

KingGreg
08-17-13, 16:35
Dspro said it all here. Do not negotiate it will lead to bad feelings on either her part or yours. And do not give in to her demands because it will not end.

Tell her what you are willing to do and leave it at that. This arrangement will probably go nowhere and if it does it will be costly. Just remember in the time it took me to write this. Five more women signed up for that site. Supply and demand. Get into an abundance situation and this will matter very little.

RevvoThanks Revvo and Dspro. Let me move forward with SB as she seems to be a nice girl. But confession of shopaholic will have to be watched. Will keep posted. Thanks for the advice.

HollywoodGuy
08-17-13, 16:53
Need help. I met a nice SB that I like. But she is bargaining for school stuff, etc gifts and allowance. I agreed on allowance, then she started can you increase. I am poor bargainer myself. I am now debating what to do with SB.

On hand, a beautiful SB 9/9/9, 20 year old! But she looks like high maintenance, demanding, SB. She asked for etc things after our first meet and I bought some school things. But now. She want me to up the allowance which is already high compared to local market.

In double mind! I personally don't want bargainers. I want a long term with this SB but will shall see.

Like seniors have said, I need to come up with budget. And stick with it.I never bargain, but I believe every girl is entitled to whatever she wants, just not necessarily from me.

HollywoodGuy
08-17-13, 17:50
My roommate looked so cute today

Zomby
08-17-13, 19:02
I never bargain, but I believe every girl is entitled to whatever she wants, just not necessarily from me.That attitude works no matter what aspect of this hobby one pursues, as well as outside of it. My greatest experience is with strippers, where it works *very* well.

HollywoodGuy
08-17-13, 19:49
That attitude works no matter what aspect of this hobby one pursues, as well as outside of it. My greatest experience is with strippers, where it works *very* well.I date a stripper now. But she became one after I met her. My past experiences with them have been less than gratifying. They laugh at my offers.

HollywoodGuy
08-18-13, 02:00
So later today I hit up a stripper on sd4me. She replied back that I would never meet anyone for $ and that I was basically an idiot. I replied back to her professionally that I had 3 FT girls at $ but I was always on the lookout for another. I knew this was going to lead to drama. So I deleted her first message back to me without reading it. This lead to 5 more messages. None of which I read. Then I blocked her.

Revvo
08-18-13, 09:50
So later today I hit up a stripper on sd4me. She replied back that I would never meet anyone for $ and that I was basically an idiot. I replied back to her professionally that I had 3 FT girls at $ but I was always on the lookout for another. I knew this was going to lead to drama. So I deleted her first message back to me without reading it. This lead to 5 more messages. None of which I read. Then I blocked her.I had a POT recently that contacted me and wanted to get together. She seemed to have a personality but not too great looking, about a 7, 6.7 and a little doughy, she was quite dirty from the beginning in her chatting. I usually am not until later and I get to know them.

So we agreed to meet and the she tells me that she has had a SD before and I asked her what she liked about it. She starts talking money and I know this is not good. That is now three strikes and I am still considering meeting. She then asks me to go shopping before we meet and that she can host after we go shopping.

Getting worse. I tell her no. I do not do it that way. Always polite. She says if I have had other SBs and I only paid them 200 then they must be wh. S or sluts and she is afraid to associate with me.

Against my own better judgement I tell her about how high end these girls were and had real careers and education. Never once had any health issue with any of them. So she shifts to another attack on me saying I must be taking advantage of them. I disengage and block her.

Funny how the GPS girls always go into attack mode if you don't offer what they are asking. That is what is suspect will happen with King's girl but good luck anyway.

I have fucked a few StrippersI and they have always been the most expensive, and not always the best.

Revvo

KingGreg
08-18-13, 10:37
Guys, in Virginia

Please stay away from profile #1655973. Her real name is Hannah but she will lie, cheat and will do everything to trap you (money, gifts).

http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1655973

Richmond, C-Ville, and surrounding folks. PM me if you are planning to meet. I will give you details.

But. Don't even go to her.

Zomby
08-18-13, 10:52
I date a stripper now. But she became one after I met her. My past experiences with them have been less than gratifying. They laugh at my offers.My one and only SB was a stripper when we started. After a little over four years, she's gone now, and I don't certainly don't expect lightning to strike twice, but there is an undeniable appeal, for me, with strippers. Before my SB, I would have said that I just love the hunt, and there's certainly an aspect of that still to it even now, after I've started frequenting clubs again. It's not quite the same at the moment, though, and I don't know if it ever will be.

Part of the problem is that I, probably very foolishly, developed a very real, and moderately deep, affection for her. In my defense, it was not entirely one-way, but I made it clear even when I told her how I felt that I wasn't planning on making any changes to my marriage, and she wanted the whole family thing with her boyfriend, now husband. I certainly don't blame her for pursuing that dream.

We parted on good terms, which almost makes it worse, if that's doesn't sound idiotic. If there'd been a falling out, it would be easy to get over "that beotch," but this way, every girl I see gets compared to her, and the comparison is not always favorable.

EasyGoingJ
08-18-13, 11:37
Need help. I met a nice SB that I like. But she is bargaining for school stuff, etc gifts and allowance. I agreed on allowance, then she started can you increase. I am poor bargainer myself. I am now debating what to do with SB.

On hand, a beautiful SB 9/9/9, 20 year old! But she looks like high maintenance, demanding, SB. She asked for etc things after our first meet and I bought some school things. But now. She want me to up the allowance which is already high compared to local market.

In double mind! I personally don't want bargainers. I want a long term with this SB but will shall see.

Like seniors have said, I need to come up with budget. And stick with it.You have already gotten some good advice, but I can relate to your situation. I try to let the sb know in the nicest way possible that I actually enjoy being generous, but much much more so when it is a spontaneous gesture on my part. The negotiations can be a turn off, but I have also found things can move along very well once that awkward hurdle has been passed.

Dsprdo
08-18-13, 13:05
Things moved along nicely this week in the bowl. I have a couple of ongoing SB's that are meeting current production needs, and the marketing department has implemented a new program designed to better identify prospects who are well qualified and ready to say yes to a competitive bid. Finance is implementing stricter supplier cost controls to insure long term viability, and operations successfully conducted three campaigns since the last report.

OLD BUSINESS.

SB1 had been somewhat unavailable at last report. I had a talk with her about my expectations and left it up to her as to whether or not we would continue. The change in her availability and her communication since has been remarkable. She came over to the house and we had a great make-up session. It may be too early to tell but as long as she continues this trend she will stay around because I really do enjoy her company.

SB3, my booty call girl texted me out of the blue to see if I wanted to hook up with one of her friends who wants to be a SB. What a country! I'll report on her in the prospects section, but as a reward I had SB3 out for an afternoon by the pool. We had fun, drank wine, and I managed a reload quicker than I normally do! It was a good day.

SB4 was POT2 in my last report. She wanted a bi-weekly allowance, I said no, and she came back a couple of days later and agreed to the $.25 per visit I had originally offered. We met up and I brought her back to close the deal. It was excellent, she was very enthusiastic, so in a moment of weakness at the end I offered to compromise and give her $$.5 per week, hoping I might squeeze three visits in. She promptly disappeared for a couple of days before texting that she was sick. This may turn into a loss for me, if so it will be a lesson learned. If I do see her again it will be back to a per-visit arrangement. This was the only negative this week.

Fly in FWB-I am headed to the east coast this weekend to see my fly in girl. She is not really a SB, as there is no sugar involved, only my expenses, but I met her on a SB site, so I have to give credit where it's due.

NEW BUSINESS.

My first new prospect is the referral from SB3. She is a 21 year old Latina. 7/7/8, who has never done this before. They were having girl talk when SB3 spilled on signing up for SA and what she had done since. Her friend said 'I want a Sugar Daddy! ' and SB3, hooked me up. We are scheduled to meet next week after I get back from the east coast.

My new marketing plan implements some of the recommendations that Hollywood Guy posted recently. I used to send a very short intro letter, try to move to the M&G, and then do most of the qualification and have the sugar conversation. A couple of days ago I wrote a longer letter that has some very specific qualification items in it, mentions the fact that I have another SB whom I intend to continue seeing, and puts the $ per visit amount on the table. I sent it out to ten quality prospects. After a little more than 24 hours, nine out of ten have read the email, four have viewed my profile, and three have responded. Two of three have expressed interest in meeting, while one said that the arrangement sounded exactly like what she was looking for, but her needs were much more than $. I am working on getting the first two to a M&G this week before I go out of town, and I politely responded to number 3 wishing her well in her search. The two prospects are both Latina, one 26 years old 8/10/8, the other 24 and 8/8/8.

I know this is not a statistically significant sample size, but I find it very encouraging. I may still hear from one of the others or number 3 may come back around, but even if I don't, a 20% positive response with a lot of the awkward stuff out of the way is excellent!

The accounting department reports that if all of these prospects were to come on board, we'll be well over budget for the remainder of the fiscal year, so caution is advised. Sales has been directed to continue to close deals, and if that results in needed belt-tightening down the road, we will have to make tough choices. Suppliers will be evaluated on an individual basis for quality and cost and some consolidation may occur. If possible we'll seek to move some to part time status, but if necessary a reduction in force would take place.

Keep up the good work out there, and everyone give thanks for the capitalistic society we live in!

Nostra3
08-18-13, 13:18
My one and only SB was a stripper when we started. After a little over four years, she's gone now, and I don't certainly don't expect lightning to strike twice, but there is an undeniable appeal, for me, with strippers. Before my SB, I would have said that I just love the hunt, and there's certainly an aspect of that still to it even now, after I've started frequenting clubs again. It's not quite the same at the moment, though, and I don't know if it ever will be.

Part of the problem is that I, probably very foolishly, developed a very real, and moderately deep, affection for her. In my defense, it was not entirely one-way, but I made it clear even when I told her how I felt that I wasn't planning on making any changes to my marriage, and she wanted the whole family thing with her boyfriend, now husband. I certainly don't blame her for pursuing that dream.

We parted on good terms, which almost makes it worse, if that's doesn't sound idiotic. If there'd been a falling out, it would be easy to get over "that beotch," but this way, every girl I see gets compared to her, and the comparison is not always favorable.Short time lurker. Just getting in to this after having a relationship exactly like the stripper relationship described here! . We'll, we still have this relationship off and on. I can't seem to end it even though it's totally unhealthy for both of us. Rather than having an ugly break up, I am hoping finding a new girl will help us both move on. We'll see. But in my short time in this world I am certain that this is far less expensive than my stripper girlfriend, even for some incredibly high quality girls.

Thanks everyone for this thread. This is an amazing resource. I had an attractive college girl tell me 900 for a trip to FC. I said sorry, we aren't even close. Ended up negotiating to $$. I would not have had the courage to do that without you guys!

EasyGoingJ
08-18-13, 14:14
Mr. Strict: I-95 corridor, NOVA to Richmond, west to C'ville.

Fred Moore: Washington, DC with Charlotte, NC to Bethesda, MD and points in betweem.

BigTigg: VA, MD, DC, PA, DE (Travel SBs from: Cali, Atlanta, Buffalo, Alabama)

CantWinLosin: Richmond VA.

AliasSM: Baltimore and North.

Hernando:Richmond, Va to Washington, DC.

DantaKarma: Northern VA, DC, Southern MD.

HighCotton: Richmond VA.

HappyHunter44: Charlottesville, VA

GuyWoodson: Centreville VA.

SubCmdr. DC, MD, VA Cali (San Diego & Oceanside) and Las Vegas.

HollywoodGuy: Hollywood CA.

Wnde8: Los Angeles CA.

Bondo500: Central Ohio

TreasureHunter: Los Angeles, CA.

LoriTruck: NC, SC, GA.

Magic Rat: NC, SC.

Kyowa: far-western-Kentucky.

KY Man629: Central Kentucky to Southern Ohio and Southern Indiana.

ATLDrummer: Atlanta.

Joesouncool:GA / TN.

Donwhite: Nashville TN.

PatsFan1: So. NH and No. Mass.

F. Scott: Chicago and surrounding suburbs, OTR (Asheville, NC, and New Orleans)

Golfcart: Indiana.

West Central: Wabash Valley IN / IL, TX, MA, Oz.

Smokarz_XO: CT.

FotoGuy1970: MichiganEasyGoingJ : Charlottesville, Va. (slim pickings) Outer Banks (even less) Naples, Fl. (Utopia!)

HollywoodGuy
08-18-13, 14:32
I sent out 117 intro letters in the last 30 days. I always try to hit them up on their first day on the site. (at least half of those girls dropped off the site after the 3 day trial) I got about 10 m&g requests. I selected 3 to follow up on. The first one was a no show and I see she dropped off the site. The second one is a total hottie that is refusing sugar and making me court her civi style. The third one went straight to 2 visits in the FC, and I am sure there will be more. She is the definition of an easy lover. She likes whatever I do and does whatever I ask her to do (so far).

I never hit up girls on the street and hate rejection. But being rejected online doesn't bother me the least little bit.

Smokarz_XO
08-18-13, 15:34
Just curious.

I must be in an area where the babies are hiding in caves.

I counted exactly 8 new babies in 2 days.

I see you guys sending out dozen of intro letters to new babies every day. I need to move to where you guys live.

BTW, how do you find the exact date when a baby joined SD4M? SA has a profile created date, so it was easy to tell. No such date stamp on SD4M.

Dsprdo
08-18-13, 16:27
Just curious.

I must be in an area where the babies are hiding in caves.

I counted exactly 8 new babies in 2 days.

I see you guys sending out dozen of intro letters to new babies every day. I need to move to where you guys live.

BTW, how do you find the exact date when a baby joined SD4M? SA has a profile created date, so it was easy to tell. No such date stamp on SD4M.There were 11 here (PHX) since yesterday and 84 in the last 7 days on SA. I have browsed SD4M but don't have an active account, not sure how you tell on there. I hadn't sent any letters out in a couple of weeks before the ones I sent yesterday and today. Almost all of them were to women who are new, with a couple of exceptions.

EasyGoingJ
08-18-13, 16:27
Just curious.

I must be in an area where the babies are hiding in caves.

I counted exactly 8 new babies in 2 days.

I see you guys sending out dozen of intro letters to new babies every day. I need to move to where you guys live.

BTW, how do you find the exact date when a baby joined SD4M? SA has a profile created date, so it was easy to tell. No such date stamp on SD4M.We would be lucky to see eight new babies a month here, I'm mostly looking on SA here in Cville, and only counting the HYBs or the occasional coed. And this in a town with probably 10, 000 girls 18-25 enrolled at UVa, you would think some might want a friend. Heck if 99% weren't interested, that theoretically leaves another 100! That might be. School starts soon, maybe I need to kick up the search a little.

Not sure there is that info available on SD4M.

HollywoodGuy
08-18-13, 17:27
Just curious.

I must be in an area where the babies are hiding in caves.

I counted exactly 8 new babies in 2 days.

I see you guys sending out dozen of intro letters to new babies every day. I need to move to where you guys live.

BTW, how do you find the exact date when a baby joined SD4M? SA has a profile created date, so it was easy to tell. No such date stamp on SD4M.Look for the member ID at the bottom left corner of the profile. Its up to (first 4 numbers) 3926

GeorgeGray3207
08-18-13, 20:19
Just in case it hasn't already been posted here.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/.tortion-578452

KingGreg
08-18-13, 23:01
EasyGoingJ : Charlottesville, Va. (slim pickings) Outer Banks (even less) Naples, Fl. (Utopia!)KingGreg: Richmond, Charlottesville, VA, Williamsburg, Norfolk and DC (potentially). NY / NJ on business trips

KingGreg
08-18-13, 23:09
269466


Guys, in Virginia

Please stay away from profile #1655973. Her real name is Hannah but she will lie, cheat and will do everything to trap you (money, gifts).

http://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/detail.php?id=1655973

Richmond, C-Ville, and surrounding folks. PM me if you are planning to meet. I will give you details.

But. Don't even go to her.I am attaching a picture of this SB. If anyone can teach a lesson on how a SB not to rob a SD then please let me know. She is liar, will take money and rob you. I am sorry, I trust people very easily and if someone fake it. I can't read it. But this evil SB did take advantage.

I felt so bad that I am ready to stop being SD. She is in VCU Richmond downtown. I can send you number of her as well, and other details. I took her to Williamsburg and I should have left her there to teach a lesson. Please do me a favor. If anyone can teach her. By taking her out for a dinner and just leave her behind. That should shock SBs who are plain liar and robbers.

HollywoodGuy
08-19-13, 01:51
269466

I am attaching a picture of this SB. If anyone can teach a lesson on how a SB not to rob a SD then please let me know. She is liar, will take money and rob you. I am sorry, I trust people very easily and if someone fake it. I can't read it. But this evil SB did take advantage.

I felt so bad that I am ready to stop being SD. She is in VCU Richmond downtown. I can send you number of her as well, and other details. I took her to Williamsburg and I should have left her there to teach a lesson. Please do me a favor. If anyone can teach her. By taking her out for a dinner and just leave her behind. That should shock SBs who are plain liar and robbers.If you are missing a few hundred. Shame on her. If it's more than that. Shame on you. If its less than that, stop complaining. Lesson learned.

Ron M
08-19-13, 02:14
269466

I am attaching a picture of this SB. If anyone can teach a lesson on how a SB not to rob a SD then please let me know. She is liar, will take money and rob you. I am sorry, I trust people very easily and if someone fake it. I can't read it. But this evil SB did take advantage.

I felt so bad that I am ready to stop being SD. She is in VCU Richmond downtown. I can send you number of her as well, and other details. I took her to Williamsburg and I should have left her there to teach a lesson. Please do me a favor. If anyone can teach her. By taking her out for a dinner and just leave her behind. That should shock SBs who are plain liar and robbers.You think these Girls are Honest and Trustworthy? Where is your Common Sense? This is what happens when the "Little Head" does the thinking for you. Forget about trying to get Even. Just forget about her and move on. No use on dwelling on this issue.

My Advice;

Find yourself a Reliable Provider.

KingGreg
08-19-13, 09:40
You think these Girls are Honest and Trustworthy? Where is your Common Sense? This is what happens when the "Little Head" does the thinking for you. Forget about trying to get Even. Just forget about her and move on. No use on dwelling on this issue.

My Advice;

Find yourself a Reliable Provider.Well, thanks seniors. Don't have to bash me. Expected more support. Yes, I am fairly new in this world. But I am trying. And yes these are making me think, stronger and lessons learned. I am probably the most easier to be taken for ride as I trust people more than I trust myself. So, I need to change. Well, I get fooled easily. But it is ok.

I may or may not continue this world. As I don't think. I can learn the art of SD that well. I guess, it is SBs loss. As my offers are far better! I had a good 3 months of SB last year and then I came back. But may be the come back is not that great. May be the young 18-20 age group is here to play games.

Anyway, will see if I am here for long. So long

KingGreg
08-19-13, 10:06
Well, I see few SBs who keep profile on SA, SD4Me and other places. They also know how to keep themselves on "newly joined" list. So they know how to get on top of the search. I saw a pattern of SBs in VA who always come on top.

For newbie, this is a flag. You are dealing with fire. And be smart. I learned this. And found that these so called new-SBs but PROs and know how to trap new SDs.

So, pattern: SB will refresh their profile every 2-3 days. They will come on top of search (newly joined). In the area.

FredMoore
08-19-13, 11:02
Guys who prospect on SA in the Tidewater area of Va PM me for an alert. I must recognize your name to answer.

This brings me much pain because a previously reliable baby (SB # 1) got a cash advance (my bad) and blew me off. Like Ron M said, I'm forgetting about it and moving on. Hollywood said it all. The amount was a weekly allowance so not huge but I could have used it for another baby, so I'm pissed. Shame on her because she could've continued to collect from me week after week. I don't think I am so difficult to be with-at least she seemed to enjoy our sessions if her moaning and screaming orgasms are a reliable guide. The problem is that when you see a baby for a while and like her, the inclination is to trust her. Hard rules are the best (NEVER advance Sugar) in theory, but in practice it isn't always so clear. This baby is definitely a Nando 1

On a super positive note, my new ATF(# 4)- SB #4 is on week #2 in the FC . Our 1st date was outstanding! I reported on her below. She is my 1st Baby who absolutely loves sex and is very vocal and demanding about it. She is a HYB 10s across the board .

My SB #2 continues to please and can take all I can give her.

SB # 3, my AA hottie is turning out to be a little ghetto and is a little too shy in bed. Even though she has an awesome body she doesn't like oral and leaps up after cumming to wash and go. I'm letting her go.

Even though I love new pussy, I am going to concentrate on these two for now.

KingGreg
08-19-13, 11:22
Guys who prospect on SA in the Tidewater area of Va PM me for an alert. I must recognize your name to answer.

But I could have used it for another baby, so I'm pissed.That is why I am upset. I could have used it for another SB. That is why I am pissed off.

Ron M
08-19-13, 11:24
Guys who prospect on SA in the Tidewater area of Va PM me for an alert. I must recognize your name to answer.

This brings me much pain because a previously reliable baby (SB # 1) got a cash advance (my bad) and blew me off. Like Ron M said, I'm forgetting about it and moving on. Hollywood said it all. The amount was a weekly allowance so not huge but I could have used it for another baby, so I'm pissed. Shame on her because she could've continued to collect from me week after week. I don't think I am so difficult to be with-at least she seemed to enjoy our sessions if her moaning and screaming orgasms are a reliable guide. The problem is that when you see a baby for a while and like her, the inclination is to trust her. Hard rules are the best (NEVER advance Sugar) in theory, but in practice it isn't always so clear.

On a super positive note, my new ATF (# 4) is on week #2 in the FC. Our 1st date was outstanding! I reported on her below. She is my 1st Baby who absolutely loves sex and is very vocal and demanding about it. She is a HYB 10s across the board.

My SB #2 continues to please and can take all I can give her.

SB # 3, my AA hottie is turning out to be a little ghetto and is a little too shy in bed. Even though she has an awesome body she doesn't like oral and leaps up after cumming to wash and go. I'm letting her go.

Even though I love new pussy, I am going to concentrate on these two for now.That's Great. Just stay with a Reliable Provider. At least you'll both know each other. And you don't have to worry about LEO.

FredMoore
08-19-13, 15:35
Well, thanks seniors. Don't have to bash me. Expected more support. Yes, I am fairly new in this world. But I am trying. And yes these are making me think, stronger and lessons learned. I am probably the most easier to be taken for ride as I trust people more than I trust myself. So, I need to change. Well, I get fooled easily. But it is ok.

I may or may not continue this world. As I don't think. I can learn the art of SD that well. I guess, it is SBs loss. As my offers are far better! I had a good 3 months of SB last year and then I came back. But may be the come back is not that great. May be the young 18-20 age group is here to play games.

Anyway, will see if I am here for long. So longGreg, we are all happy to have you and other new SDs join our motley crew and particularly posters like you. The guys are just training you for the necessary thick skin one needs to navigate this Oh so treacherous but scintillating past time of ours. All of the major players on board have humbly taken their licks and more importantly shared them with the membership. That is how we all learn. And it is nice to think that even the mighty fall on occasion-it makes the rest of us feel like we are not so alone. I. E. I know better than to prepay a SB, but I did twice and had a wonderful time collecting on the one that worked. She was SOOO appreciative that I saved her ass financially that she was even more enthusiastic when she delivered the payback. I'm still limping from last night. The one that didn't work just upped the CPO for her sexspan with me. Averaged out it probably only added $25 per visit, aggravating but not terminal.

Sexspan a new term for the dick-tionary of Sugar Daddys: The duration or timespan of a sexual relationship, exclusive of M&Gs and non sexual platonic friendships.

So get a grip brother and keep writing as brother Scott says.

Ron M
08-19-13, 15:56
Well, thanks seniors. Don't have to bash me. Expected more support. Yes, I am fairly new in this world. But I am trying. And yes these are making me think, stronger and lessons learned. I am probably the most easier to be taken for ride as I trust people more than I trust myself. So, I need to change. Well, I get fooled easily. But it is ok.

I may or may not continue this world. As I don't think. I can learn the art of SD that well. I guess, it is SBs loss. As my offers are far better! I had a good 3 months of SB last year and then I came back. But may be the come back is not that great. May be the young 18-20 age group is here to play games.

Anyway, will see if I am here for long. So longIt's more like a Scolding. When you deal with these "Business" Girls you have to use common sense. Don't ever think these Girls will fall in Love with you and you'll live happily ever after. Pay only for the Time you spend with these Girls. Any money you give her outside of playtime is up to you. You seem to be a Nice guy from what I can gather, but always keep your Guard up when dealing with these Girls. Look for an older girl at least late 20's and up. They seem to have less Drama and Game Playing than the younger ones. Hey I've had my share of Mistakes, believe me. LOL! But I learned my lesson just like you're doing now.

KingGreg
08-19-13, 17:57
It's more like a Scolding. When you deal with these "Business" Girls you have to use common sense. Don't ever think these Girls will fall in Love with you and you'll live happily ever after. Pay only for the Time you spend with these Girls. Any money you give her outside of playtime is up to you. You seem to be a Nice guy from what I can gather, but always keep your Guard up when dealing with these Girls. Look for an older girl at least late 20's and up. They seem to have less Drama and Game Playing than the younger ones. Hey I've had my share of Mistakes, believe me. LOL! But I learned my lesson just like you're doing now.Ron: Thanks but no thanks. If we can't teach lessons to these SBs then they will continue with other brothers of us. This girl can be easily taught a lesson. If I can do that help to my other SD bros then why not. This girl don't have car. And will come with you. I wish I could take her for ride or dinner on some other town (which she can do) and let her take a cab / taxi back. This will definitely tell her. That SDs know her.

F Scott
08-19-13, 18:04
Well, thanks seniors. Don't have to bash me. Expected more support. Yes, I am fairly new in this world. But I am trying. And yes these are making me think, stronger and lessons learned. I am probably the most easier to be taken for ride as I trust people more than I trust myself. So, I need to change. Well, I get fooled easily. But it is ok.

I may or may not continue this world. As I don't think. I can learn the art of SD that well. I guess, it is SBs loss. As my offers are far better! I had a good 3 months of SB last year and then I came back. But may be the come back is not that great. May be the young 18-20 age group is here to play games.

Anyway, will see if I am here for long. So longGreg,

Sometimes it takes us a while to hit our groove. The last time I re-entered the bowl it took me several months to get my game back. In the interim, there were many no-shows, flakes, and just plain weird babies. Don't abandon ship just yet, would be my advice.

That said, this is not a game for the faint of heart. You must remain fluid, adaptable and resourceful at all times. As I have said many times before, they are a quixotic breed, these babies, and the younger they are, the more elusive. You might try to focus on MILFs for a while, until you get your confidence up and feel like you've learned the ropes a bit more. Just an idea.

Additionally, I have developed a personal philosophy that I'd like to share with you. It is the principle of The Three Ps: patience, persistence and presence. Be in the moment when you are with your baby, or potential baby, and listen to what she is telling you, verbally and non-verbally. You can avoid many unpleasant outcomes by trusting your instincts.

Lastly, there is someone out there for everyone. You may just not have the best of luck with the younger fish. So be it. Focus on the yearlings, or perhaps the more experienced ones. A good friend of mine here in Chicago just got his world rocked this weekend by two MILFs at least ten years his senior, and he is one happy dude, let me assure you.

In the end, as has been said, this is not a game that all can play. If it's not for you, pick up your chips and head home. But if you have just had a few initial set-backs, once more into the breach, man!

Onward,

Scott

F Scott
08-19-13, 19:07
Sexspan a new term for the dick-tionary of Sugar Daddys: The duration or timespan of a sexual relationship, exclusive of M&Gs and non sexual platonic friendships.Fred,

Love the new term! As I think back, it helps me to wrap my arms around situations that I though were longer-term than they really were. From dick in to dick denied, that is the sexspan, right?

Good job,

Scott

HollywoodGuy
08-19-13, 19:48
Greg,

Sometimes it takes us a while to hit our groove. The last time I re-entered the bowl it took me several months to get my game back. In the interim, there were many no-shows, flakes, and just plain weird babies. Don't abandon ship just yet, would be my advice.

That said, this is not a game for the faint of heart. You must remain fluid, adaptable and resourceful at all times. As I have said many times before, they are a quixotic breed, these babies, and the younger they are, the more elusive. You might try to focus on MILFs for a while, until you get your confidence up and feel like you've learned the ropes a bit more. Just an idea.

Additionally, I have developed a personal philosophy that I'd like to share with you. It is the principle of The Three Ps: patience, persistence and presence. Be in the moment when you are with your baby, or potential baby, and listen to what she is telling you, verbally and non-verbally. You can avoid many unpleasant outcomes by trusting your instincts.

Lastly, there is someone out there for everyone. You may just not have the best of luck with the younger fish. So be it. Focus on the yearlings, or perhaps the more experienced ones. A good friend of mine here in Chicago just got his world rocked this weekend by two MILFs at least ten years his senior, and he is one happy dude, let me assure you.

In the end, as has been said, this is not a game that all can play. If it's not for you, pick up your chips and head home. But if you have just had a few initial set-backs, once more into the breach, man!

Onward,

ScottPreparedness+Opportunity=Success.

You need to have a boy scout mentality to win at this game. And many others

Just757
08-19-13, 20:08
Hello my fellow brethren. Well I have a young sugar babe. 18 and I really like her. I mostly just like to have one sugarbaby because I don't want to expose myself to more risk, (especially with all the secret tracking going on nowadays.) She does try to negotiate with me often for more, but I'm used to haggling for anything so she is squeezing blood out of a stone from me. It can get really annoying sometimes though.

I don't really understand what is going on with my "babe." Sometimes I will text her and not hear anything 2-5 days in a row or longer. Other times she will hit me up out of the blue pleading to see her asap because she needs some cash. Usually, the man downstairs is happy to oblige, but I'm begging the answer, why can't I get a steady response from her? Maybe she is seeing someone else / etc? I don't get it. Do I need to find someone else to fill the position? Help a SD out.

LoriTruck
08-19-13, 22:00
So I renew my privilages with SA and my fingers take over while being coached by Junior. I send message after message and before you know it, I wind up with 42 messages all together that I either: sent initially or replied to. I go to reply to Pot#1, who lives in Iowa, & actually initiated the convo and I get an error message saying "To prevent spamming, we have limited the number of messages you can send in a 24 hour period." WHAT! I had just struck gold! So now I can't message this sugarbird, that said all she was looking for was a little fun, for 24 hours. It's like finding out Santa is not real. Anyone else ran into this problem?

KingGreg
08-19-13, 23:35
Preparedness+Opportunity=Success.

You need to have a boy scout mentality to win at this game. And many othersBrothers.

I am back. I think my frustration is over! Someone did some prayer. Looks like. I met 1 SB and hopefully will be my ATF for long term. I think in last 2-3 days frustration of loosing to winning a medal. It can happen.

I met this new SB, charming personality, and the way I like. We met between our two cities (half way. So drive was 45-50 mins). What a beautiful evening. Coffee and then directly desert. Loved it. Still not completely open. As SB said not on first date.

I hope I found my ATF. Will follow some of the preparedness+opportunity rule of success. Thanks Scott and HG and others.

Looks Like I am in the game for a while.

Ron M
08-20-13, 02:59
Ron: Thanks but no thanks. If we can't teach lessons to these SBs then they will continue with other brothers of us. This girl can be easily taught a lesson. If I can do that help to my other SD bros then why not. This girl don't have car. And will come with you. I wish I could take her for ride or dinner on some other town (which she can do) and let her take a cab / taxi back. This will definitely tell her. That SDs know her.Sounds like you're still Mad. Best to just let it go. Don't focus on how you're going to get Revenge on her. Just find yourself an Awesome Provider. Believe me you'll forget about this Girl that Cheated you. We've all been Ripped Off by these kinds of Girls, me included. There's nothing you can do. So just move on and find an Awesome Provider. I did. Good Luck to you.

Dog Rice
08-20-13, 10:45
Just forget about the past, and move forward. .

Just to prepare that these pots can go anytime, and need to move on when the time comes.


Brothers.

I am back. I think my frustration is over! Someone did some prayer. Looks like. I met 1 SB and hopefully will be my ATF for long term. I think in last 2-3 days frustration of loosing to winning a medal. It can happen.

I met this new SB, charming personality, and the way I like. We met between our two cities (half way. So drive was 45-50 mins). What a beautiful evening. Coffee and then directly desert. Loved it. Still not completely open. As SB said not on first date.

I hope I found my ATF. Will follow some of the preparedness+opportunity rule of success. Thanks Scott and HG and others.

Looks Like I am in the game for a while.

Wnde8
08-20-13, 10:57
Hello my fellow brethren. Well I have a young sugar babe. 18 and I really like her. I mostly just like to have one sugarbaby because I don't want to expose myself to more risk, (especially with all the secret tracking going on nowadays.) She does try to negotiate with me often for more, but I'm used to haggling for anything so she is squeezing blood out of a stone from me. It can get really annoying sometimes though.

I don't really understand what is going on with my "babe." Sometimes I will text her and not hear anything 2-5 days in a row or longer. Other times she will hit me up out of the blue pleading to see her asap because she needs some cash. Usually, the man downstairs is happy to oblige, but I'm begging the answer, why can't I get a steady response from her? Maybe she is seeing someone else / etc? I don't get it. Do I need to find someone else to fill the position? Help a SD out.Couple things stand out to me:

1. She likely has a narcissistic personality

2. She clearly sees a use for you, but only as a non-priority.

I would establish some expectations regarding communication with 0 room for excuses (phone was off, emergency etc)

FredMoore
08-20-13, 11:17
Hello my fellow brethren. Well I have a young sugar babe. 18 and I really like her. I mostly just like to have one sugarbaby because I don't want to expose myself to more risk, (especially with all the secret tracking going on nowadays.) She does try to negotiate with me often for more, but I'm used to haggling for anything so she is squeezing blood out of a stone from me. It can get really annoying sometimes though.

I don't really understand what is going on with my "babe." Sometimes I will text her and not hear anything 2-5 days in a row or longer. Other times she will hit me up out of the blue pleading to see her asap because she needs some cash. Usually, the man downstairs is happy to oblige, but I'm begging the answer, why can't I get a steady response from her? Maybe she is seeing someone else / etc? I don't get it. Do I need to find someone else to fill the position? Help a SD out.Hey Just 757, sounds like you have landed a Nando 1, and she is just using you as an ATM when she needs a cash infusion. If you want more emotional buy in then she is not the one for you, but if a fuck buddy is acceptable then keep her on the side and continue looking for a "real" SB. Tell her how it has to be since you are the guy with the $$. Yes, they have the pussy but she needs the $$. Tell her 1) no more nagging about money. 2) what her allowance will be. 3) expect to answer your texts within 8 hrs, and 4) hit the road if that doesn't work for her. And be prepared to drop her from your rotation if she defies you. There are plenty more where she came from.

EasyGoingJ
08-20-13, 12:33
So I renew my privilages with SA and my fingers take over while being coached by Junior. I send message after message and before you know it, I wind up with 42 messages all together that I either: sent initially or replied to. I go to reply to Pot#1, who lives in Iowa, & actually initiated the convo and I get an error message saying "To prevent spamming, we have limited the number of messages you can send in a 24 hour period." WHAT! I had just struck gold! So now I can't message this sugarbird, that said all she was looking for was a little fun, for 24 hours. It's like finding out Santa is not real. Anyone else ran into this problem?If I remember correctly that happened to me on SA once when I was trying to send multiple messages.

KingGreg
08-20-13, 13:43
If I remember correctly that happened to me on SA once when I was trying to send multiple messages.Yes, there is limitation of how many messages you can send it in a day. I believe it is 100 or 50.

F Scott
08-20-13, 13:49
Hey Just 757, sounds like you have landed a Nando 1, and she is just using you as an ATM when she needs a cash infusion. If you want more emotional buy in then she is not the one for you, but if a fuck buddy is acceptable then keep her on the side and continue looking for a "real" SB. Tell her how it has to be since you are the guy with the $$. Yes, they have the pussy but she needs the $$. Tell her 1) no more nagging about money. 2) what her allowance will be. 3) expect to answer your texts within 8 hrs, and 4) hit the road if that doesn't work for her. And be prepared to drop her from your rotation if she defies you. There are plenty more where she came from.Fred, and 757,

My thoughts exactly. There is always a need for a Booty Baby or two, but don't let your heart, or head (the big one) get involved with someone like this. It is assured that she has not fallen for you in that way. If she's a good fuck, and you want to continue things, by all means do so. But I agree that ground rules need to be established, and don't worry about "hurting her feelings." As Fred said, she has the pussy, but you have the sugar. Each of these is something the other wants, but there is more pussy than sugar in the world, I promise you.

Peace,

Scott

HollywoodGuy
08-20-13, 14:20
but there is more pussy than sugar in the world, I promise you.Way more. Way way more. lol

My new baby is gonna be here soon. The 21 AA HCB. She is so sweet. Making sure most of the sugar goes into beauty today. Pedicure, new dress and sandals if I can find them. She is dressing and grooming per my request today.

Have 2 m&gs set up for this week. A 27 AA spinner type with a job and very ripe. Also a 18 petite latina beauty student. My super hot latina spinner from last week is MIA at the moment. Not hesitating. Just moving forward. If they snooze they lose.

Ron M
08-20-13, 14:23
Way more. Way way more. lolIt's just how much are you willing to pay?

Golfcart
08-20-13, 15:09
Ron: Thanks but no thanks. If we can't teach lessons to these SBs then they will continue with other brothers of us. This girl can be easily taught a lesson. If I can do that help to my other SD bros then why not. This girl don't have car. And will come with you. I wish I could take her for ride or dinner on some other town (which she can do) and let her take a cab / taxi back. This will definitely tell her. That SDs know her.When a girl tries to sting us I think we should walk away without saying anything. Conversation adds to the drama. Swinging back isn't the answer. We cannot appreciate the pressure the girl must be under to get the point of entering pay for play in the first place. We cannot tell the desperate from the truly unfortunate, from the lazy.

No good comes from trying to hurt anyone.

We should simply walk away. It's better to err on the side of doing no harm. If we can't afford walking away we can't afford being here.

HollywoodGuy
08-20-13, 15:21
It's just how much are you willing to pay?I pay $ per visit. Whether its an hour or an overnite. I calculate all expenses into that $, such as food, nails, etc. As I am rarely alone, it does add up.

I have a different arrangement with my roommate as she does get free rent. So my cash out of pocket is far less.

Revvo
08-20-13, 16:21
Hey Just 757, sounds like you have landed a Nando 1, and she is just using you as an ATM when she needs a cash infusion. If you want more emotional buy in then she is not the one for you, but if a fuck buddy is acceptable then keep her on the side and continue looking for a "real" SB. Tell her how it has to be since you are the guy with the $$. Yes, they have the pussy but she needs the $$. Tell her 1) no more nagging about money. 2) what her allowance will be. 3) expect to answer your texts within 8 hrs, and 4) hit the road if that doesn't work for her. And be prepared to drop her from your rotation if she defies you. There are plenty more where she came from.I have a little bit different take on this. I believe once you go down the road of negotiations with a woman about her body. It is going downhill from there. Nando 1 or not. 1. Don't get too attached to one SB especially at the beginning. 2. Don't negotiate, there are plenty more out there. Negotiating will lead to at the least hard feelings. And if you want a steady ATF type relationship negotiating will certainly hurt that.

She is probably thinking. I will do what I have to since he won't take care of me.

Revvo

F Scott
08-20-13, 18:15
When a girl tries to sting us I think we should walk away without saying anything. Conversation adds to the drama. Swinging back isn't the answer. We cannot appreciate the pressure the girl must be under to get the point of entering pay for play in the first place. We cannot tell the desperate from the truly unfortunate, from the lazy.

No good comes from trying to hurt anyone.

We should simply walk away. It's better to err on the side of doing no harm. If we can't afford walking away we can't afford being here.Golfster,

I was looking to see if I could edit your post in the interest of brevity, but pretty much all of it, in my opinion, is relevant, germaine and instructive. I particularly like the "do no harm" admonition. This was Lit's mantra, if I remember correctly. It is sometimes easy to forget that, for the most part, these little fish are civilians who have entered the Bowl for a variety of reasons, sometimes more than one, and may just be experiencing a rough patch in their lives, looking for sexual excitement, or perhaps are in over their heads. One just never knows what the real truth is in any given situation. It is why I take so much effort to winnow out the pros and UTRs, who granted are still people too, but their skin is arguably thicker. Who among us wants to make a baby the same age as our children cry? Better to do no harm and walk away.

If you have been scammed and lost some money, consider it tuition, and learn from your mistakes. If I quit college the first time I got a C, well, I wouldn't have graduated.

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and as always, don't forget to write!

Scott

Walruscl
08-20-13, 18:36
I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly na´ve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post)

HollywoodGuy
08-20-13, 21:43
I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly na´ve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post) About half of all young girls watch porn if for no other reason than to learn about sex. As they get older I think it tapers off. Although my X SO and I were addicted to it for years.

HollywoodGuy
08-20-13, 21:48
Well she did txt me back. Today I picked her up and went straight to the FC. We talked until I felt she was comfortable. We kissed for a few minutes and thats all it took. We were on for the next hour. She is a 7/8. 5/9/9. She originally told me she was shy about the sugar and did stop going on the site as she was creeped out fast. She is definitely a keeper for now at $ per visit. She paid for her own train ticket. A very sweet and quiet girl. Almost too quiet in bed. I asked her to tell me when she was cumming, but I just had to go by what I could feel as she was lost in the moment.

268919Just dropped off this one. Saw her 3 times within the last 7 days for $$$ all expenses included. She certainly likes sex but her skills are not all that. This one will have to go to booty call status. I can easily keep her at $ or even less but it's time to do some more interviewing. I have re-evaluated her as a 7/8.5/8/7

She is definitely a FT college student but probably a UTR girl in training as I see she has been on the site everyday for the last few days. And along with some of her behavior a bit suspicious. No big deal, just an observation.

FredMoore
08-20-13, 22:59
I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly na´ve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post) I love porn but find that my use of it is directly related to my ass catching. If I am in a dry spell I watch, if not I don't.

Porn is destructive to intimacy IMHO. It objectifies sex and women in particular. While interesting and instructive to watch it diminishes love making in preference to technique. The HCBs of today get their disconnect between sex and love from the media and hence pop culture. Why do you think the college girls think no more about fucking a random stranger for a few bucks than playing tennis or going to Walmart for a phone card? It's good for us but bad for the future of the Family.

Just757
08-20-13, 23:03
I have a little bit different take on this. I believe once you go down the road of negotiations with a woman about her body. It is going downhill from there. Nando 1 or not. 1. Don't get too attached to one SB especially at the beginning. 2. Don't negotiate, there are plenty more out there. Negotiating will lead to at the least hard feelings. And if you want a steady ATF type relationship negotiating will certainly hurt that.

She is probably thinking. I will do what I have to since he won't take care of me.

RevvoRevvo, I think this is what happened. I could have probably took better care of her. But should I give in to her every demand? Like lets say she keeps asking me to break more bread, I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.

BikeRider
08-21-13, 08:46
I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.There won't be a "happy medium" as you put it. She'll keep asking for more until you walk away or make it clear she's not to ask for more.

You need to make it clear to her in a firm, non-negotiating manner that she gets $ (or what ever you've previously agreed) per meeting and no more. If you're afraid to walk away, you've lost any and all negotiating strength.

SubCmdr
08-21-13, 09:56
I love porn but find that my use of it is directly related to my ass catching. If I am in a dry spell I watch, if not I don't.

Porn is destructive to intimacy IMHO. It objectifies sex and women in particular. While interesting and instructive to watch it diminishes love making in preference to technique. The HCBs of today get their disconnect between sex and love from the media and hence pop culture. Why do you think the college girls think no more about fucking a random stranger for a few bucks than playing tennis or going to Walmart for a phone card? It's good for us but bad for the future of the Family.And in this forum, the majority of men here have wives and girlfriends, where they are talking about the best ways to cheat on their partners with women they pay to fuck them is building the overall health and strength of relationships and family.

Is this what this forum has deteriorated too in my absence?

I've had the porn discussion with my ATF. We both like the same kind (interracial: specifically black men fucking white women). When she was with one of her ATF's she had him take a picture (non-sexual) and she sent it to me. I joked that next time take one of them while they were having sex and send it. She asked me if I would really want to see something like that. I said yes. Hey I'm kinky like that. That is when she commented that she like interracial porn. But would not want to see me with another women.

SubCmdr

Revvo
08-21-13, 20:47
Revvo, I think this is what happened. I could have probably took better care of her. But should I give in to her every demand? Like lets say she keeps asking me to break more bread, I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.May be too late brother. You can try sitting her down during a quiet moment when the whole money issue is not hanging over your heads. This is very important women feel they don't think. When you negotiate with her she is hearing this guy really does not give a shit about me.

That is why it is important to find a neutral moment to try to take as much of the emotion out of it as you can. Then tell her that you are concerned about the additional money she is asking for and that you "FEEL" like this is excessive. Tell her how much you like her and how fond of her you are and how you want to see her long term. And that you have to limit how much you can give.

Now most likely this will not work. But at this point you need to be looking for someone else anyway. But there is a slim chance it may work.

Trying to figure women out let alone these babies is the road to lunacy.

Get more pots and so you have an abundance mentality. And be ready to make a change.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

HollywoodGuy
08-21-13, 21:59
May be too late brother. You can try sitting her down during a quiet moment when the whole money issue is not hanging over your heads. This is very important women feel they don't think. When you negotiate with her she is hearing this guy really does not give a shit about me.

That is why it is important to find a neutral moment to try to take as much of the emotion out of it as you can. Then tell her that you are concerned about the additional money she is asking for and that you "FEEL" like this is excessive. Tell her how much you like her and how fond of her you are and how you want to see her long term. And that you have to limit how much you can give.

Now most likely this will not work. But at this point you need to be looking for someone else anyway. But there is a slim chance it may work.

Trying to figure women out let alone these babies is the road to lunacy.

Get more pots and so you have an abundance mentality. And be ready to make a change.

Be careful out there.

RevvoIf you really want to get into her (or anyone else's head) , read this.

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Magic-Translation-Neuro-linguistic-Psychotherapy/dp/1904424112

FredMoore
08-22-13, 10:41
Shazammm! Just like that the SG dropped Pot# 1 a 20 yr old hottie into my lap who quickly converted to SB #3 She is a WF 9/9/9/10. Caught her posting day 1 with a M&G then straight to the FC within an hour. She is tall, lean, muscular, solid A cup, tight all over, sweet pussy, and appreciative of a pounding. She took me BB and received all I had to give.

The key to newbies is to close the deal quickly without giving them time to work through the 50 proposals that other SDs have proffered. Frequently the 1st in has the edge in this highly competitive market.

SB # 1 and 2 are on deck so should see SB#1 twice #2 once, and # 3 twice more this next 7 days. I can't afford it long term but short term I'm having a ball.

Life is good. I am appreciative

Graham1
08-22-13, 11:19
My original strategy was always M&G with FC optional until second date. That is not a winning strategy. Agree close the deal as fast as possible, hold the line on sugar and plow forward. I have lost several POT when M&G and second date were just too far apart. At least I think that is why.


Shazammm! Just like that the SG dropped Pot# 1 a 20 yr old hottie into my lap who quickly converted to SB #3 She is a WF 9/9/9/10. Caught her posting day 1 with a M&G then straight to the FC within an hour. She is tall, lean, muscular, solid A cup, tight all over, sweet pussy, and appreciative of a pounding. She took me BB and received all I had to give.

The key to newbies is to close the deal quickly without giving them time to work through the 50 proposals that other SDs have proffered. Frequently the 1st in has the edge in this highly competitive market.

SB # 1 and 2 are on deck so should see SB#1 twice #2 once, and # 3 twice more this next 7 days. I can't afford it long term but short term I'm having a ball.

Life is good. I am appreciative

FredMoore
08-22-13, 14:22
More than once the young girls (under 24) have told me that boys their age are not interested in pleasuring their partners, but want their nut on demand.

What the older guys offer is a sensitivity to the SB's need for satisfaction, ability to delay ejaculation, and a knowledge of female anatomy and physiology. It doesn't hurt that the older men probably have more available funds for the hobby.

Revvo
08-22-13, 17:55
Well I have been under the radar for a while. I took some badly needed rest. And caught up on some badly needed work. I was told by several very cool and smart brothers on here to slow it down. Take a break. And so I did. I stopped sending so many letters out and then stopped sending them out altogether. It helped me relax and gain a better sense of perspective. And also taught me to be less frantic in my pursuits. So much has happened. Game has definitely gotten better. Let's review shall we.

REVVO_ATF: Still my little Asian honey. Not seeing her too much because of our schedules. But parting is such sweet sorrow. But not as sweet as when we get back together and she wraps her little hands and mouth around my cock. Always trying to please and taking everything I can give her. Even though we see each other infrequently she wears a little ring on her finger to tell other guys to stay away. So considerate. Still a 9/8/8/10 great in bed and ready to be with me whenever we can. No drama whatsoever. Schedule is always tough though. Since she works in NY half the time.

REVVO_POT1:So this was a big bust. Took this one in the shorts. Supposed to be a fly-in and it was a no go. Lost money on ticket. But it wasn't huge. I give up on the flyin thing too many scams. See it happens to experienced SD's also. Besides there are plenty of cute girls in my are. Which is Florida. Why fly someone in. I am plugging a new one in here. She is a 37 yo white MILF with a real job and educated. Blond hair green eyes very cute and maybe a little too serious. She was off the site within 24 hours but I got her. Very very normal. Talks a lot but is sweet and genuine. I give her a 8/9/8. I met her and we had a great first date just like a couple of regular people. I worked her good and she was good to go. She would not however go to the FC. She has a rule about fucking on the first date. She is not very expressive but I can tell she really likes me. Do need to work on her affection a little. We did some great kissing and making out. Awesome titties and a killer ass, a little bit of a belly but she looked really good in a mini dress. She definitely turned heads. We are all set for the FC for Tuesday evening.

REVVO_POT2: So I am plugging a new one in here. This one I met on the site and had a very short message to her and got an instant response back. Absoutley beautiful. I give her a 10/9/9? And we chatted and talked on the phone. By the way talking on the phone is critical to qualifying. But evidently I did not qualify well enough. She was willing to drive up to me to meet. Very normal seeming good personality. About 23 YO white, sexy full lips big green eyes. Could really hold a conversation told me that she had a SD before and turned into a fiancÚ and she split with him. So we progressed to the meet and greet and even better looking in person. Looks a lot like Penelope Cruz, in fact she said that was her nickname when younger. She complimented me a lot and we had a great lunch. Two mistakes I did not escalate quickly enough. And two I talked about goldiggers from my past. Come to find out she had a few SD's mostly European and they were paying her up to $2k per visit! Some not even to fuck. Big problem. So we had a pleasant time and scheduled our next meet. But I could tell it was over. She was driving a Mercedes and was using the site to live a very good life. We never even talked money but we both knew it was not going to work. This was her business. If it was normal dating I could have gotten her. But she has to pay the bills.

REVVO_POT3:Since I did fuck her once I will make her REVVO_SB7 and categorize her as a booty call baby. But probably will not call her again. I have a new POT here I just met her online using a very short email again. Seems to work better with the younger more blunt types. She is blond blue eyed. Seems to have a good personality. The chemistry was instant. She is educated intelligent, has some tats. I give her so far 8/8/10? And she is very blunt on the site about what she wants and doesn't want. I think I may have a winner here. But I have been fooled many times. She is very sexualy expressive and communicative. Got some nice pics back. Wow what an ass! I am going to be all over this shit. I have squeezed her in for next Tuesday for a M&G. She has her own apartment so I believe she can host also. No talk about money and no drama. And maybe the best thing. She is really into me already. More to come on this one.

REVVO_POT4: This one was from a while back that finally responded to me. She is interesting and frustrating but may just end up being worth it. Very cute girl next door type. 24 YO white. 5'3'very strong body, cute face extremely active and athletic. I give her a 8/9/8? For now. We will see. Having a hard time meeting. She works a lot. But she communicates well and has had to back out of one meeting and then got into a bad car crash before the 2nd one. But she still wants to see me and we are scheduled for a M&G tomorrow. Lots of talking on the phone and texting. She has expressed great desire to see me. And is reminding me about our M&G tomorrow. But I am always keeping my eye out for cold feet. As usual we shall see. But she has her own good job and apartment and would not have to worry about hotels with her.

There were other POTs but nothing really happened and I can only write so much. HAHA.

REVVO_SB1:Literally have not heard from her for two months. Until today she texted me and of course she is patiently waiting for me to come and fuck her and let her suck my dick. I am going to try to squeeze her in next week. May not happen. But I will try. 31 YO white blond. 7/8/9/9 very orgasmic and very horny.

REVVO_SB2:Plugging a new one in here. This went from 0 to 60 really quick. In three days. A cute 23 YO brown Brazilian princess. So full of fun and life a bartender and has worked at Tilted Kilt and is now at another restaurant. I give her a 7/8/9/10 boy could she fuck. This is a very sensuous, feminine, sexual woman. We chatted we talked on the phone we had great chemistry. Then we finally met and had drinks at a nice bar. It was instant attraction. Very sexy young woman. We ended up all over each other. And got a hotel. We got there late at night and fucked like rabbits. Slept in each others arms. She is a world class snuggler. Very very important. Lots of hugs and kisses and cuddles. And I will never forget as soon as I got naked standing there with my hard on and her looking up at me with those big dark Brazilian eyes and saying innocently, put it in my mouth. Then she eagerly blew me like a master. It was a great experience. Man what a juicy pussy and so responsive, she would quiver when you touched it. I never paid her anything. Since she was such an amateur and we never settled on anything. I will be fucking her tomorrow afternoon and will bring some nice gifts this time. So far no drama and absolutely no talk of money. Plus she has her own apartment with a gay roommate. Just a matter of time before I can partake saving lodging costs.

REVVO_SB3: This was one I contacted way back in May and she popped back up. She is an AA from Morroco, and very cute and nice body. We chatted online for a few weeks and finally I picked her up this week and we went out and had dinner and then the FC. Looked better in the pics but I will give her a 8/7/5/5. She just did not have the personality I had to do all of the talking and all just about everything else. She never put her phone down and said very little. Not very affectionate. But she was juicy and orgasmic. And I only popped once. Just was not into doing all of the work. She told me I was her third man ever. She was so week I only gave her 150. I usually donate 200. She wants to get together again and I can use her as a booty call baby but I probably won't. We shall see.

REVVO_SB4: My little Colombian princess. We had 1 wonderful fuck session since I last reported. And fell exhausted in each others arms sleeping to the rain outside. So cozy. Three pops and many orgasms. She left me exhausted and covered with coconut oil. A great lube and massage oil which she applied all over my body. She is very sexy but just a terrible communicator. She will probably fade out. Let's see if I hear from her this week. Shall we.

REVVO_SB5: My little European baby is always there for me ready to please. We have had a few encounters and they all have been good. 27 YO White blue eyed bruenette slim and tall, she is a 8/8/10/7. But she will do anything I want. So we have eagerly fucked a couple of times and she always patiently waits for me even if it is for a couple of weeks. She wanted to surprise me with a present so she did some sexy photos with a professional photographer and it has turned into a little bit of a career for her. She is getting multiple experienced professionals asking to work with her. And is already talking about paid jobs and an agent. She has a very European different look and she is in really good shape. Plus like I already know she is really easy to work with. Not like some of these vacuous stuck up privileged bimbos. She may make some money at this. Photos look really good.

That's it for this week. We will keep plugging. Membership has expired. I see no reason to renew for quite a while. In fact I haven't sent out any real emails in a week. And its been about 3 weeks since I really hit it hard. Lots of work. And lots of current pussy to service as it is. Several of these girls are like genuine girlfriends and will be happy with just gifts and no money. I may even wean the other girls off of money also. They have to go anyway. I may just ask each of them to keep seeing them without paying and see which ones stay. I can't keep up this many girls. Three at the most at expenses only may be my ideal situation.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

Walruscl
08-22-13, 20:08
Again, with the caveat that I don't recommend anybody be as reckless as me.

An amazing 24 hours have come to pass. Circumstances led to my SB / Mistress to be in the next city closer to me for an appointment, and also with two days off from work. Somehow my devious mind got unusually creative, and a wonderful plan was hatched.

So the day before, I booked a room in a next-step-up hotel on Expedia, and picked her up from her appt that morning. Miracles sometimes occur, and I was able to get into the room by 11:00. Which led to four hours of sheer bliss. Damn she's an amazing kisser and cuddler, never mind the fact that she thanked me for what she called "the most amazing orgasm ever". Note to self: never do an overnight in a hotel with her, because she's *loud* when she's in the midst of multiple orgasms. At least during the day the worst that happens is we provide impromptu entertainment for the cleaning staff.

By mid-afternoon I had to get back to the ranch, so I dropped her off at the walking-distance mall so she could get a bite, and let her have the room to herself for the night. Besides being close to a bunch of stuff, there's a pool and hot tub in the hotel, of which she took full advantage. (remember our younger days when staying at a hotel was fun?) She luxuriated in an evening with little to do but soak and start a reading a book I gave her earlier, and enjoy a much better night's sleep than her usual accommodations.

Mid-morning I rejoined, and we made the most of every minute before noon check-out. I've been helping her out with some life-improvement issues, and so we took care of that after lunch and I dropped her back off at home mid-afternoon.

What's curious is that the most rewarding part of all this was giving her a little mini-vacation, and hearing the snippets of her evening over texts. She was just so damned appreciative, you'd think she was getting the royalty treatment. Talk about win-win: she got a break from her boxed-in life, and I basked in two days in a row of her wonderful company.

So yeah, yet another rule broken-never leave a SB alone in the hotel room. But this was after trashing the rule of "never break deep cover", and at this point the trust level is pretty high.

What a mind-blowing experience this is.

With all due credit to Revvo-be more careful than me out there.

FredMoore
08-22-13, 21:26
Well, SB #3 is now EX SB 3.

When we talked prior to the M&G I asked for her allowance needs. She refused to opine leaving it up to me. We had a fabulous fuckfest as reported earlier. I slipped $$ gas money in her purse. Upon discussing act 2 to nite she laid out her demands which monthly were not unreasonable, but wanted a handful of cash before the weekend. She is now still looking and I am concentrating on my other two longish termers.

Bottom line, I got a great night with a hot young Baby. Most civilians would kill for a night with this hot young thing, much less dozens of them, so life is still good.

The take home message is that a strong sexual performance does not trump Do Re Me

HappyHunter44
08-22-13, 22:22
Well, SB #3 is now EX SB 3.

When we talked prior to the M&G I asked for her allowance needs. She refused to opine leaving it up to me. We had a fabulous fuckfest as reported earlier. I slipped $$ gas money in her purse. Upon discussing act 2 to nite she laid out her demands which monthly were not unreasonable, but wanted a handful of cash before the weekend. She is now still looking and I am concentrating on my other two longish termers.

Bottom line, I got a great night with a hot young Baby. Most civilians would kill for a night with this hot young thing, much less dozens of them, so life is still good.

The take home message is that a strong sexual performance does not trump Do Re MeHey, I still would like to be in your shoes for just one day. Working on it.

HollywoodGuy
08-23-13, 13:23
Set up a new account and tested multiple browsers. Chrome is lightning fast. The number of fakes and gold diggers messaging me is hilarious. Targeting the new guy. LOL.

So far only one real message and that was from a girl with no pic (you figure out why). Her profile says she likes to cook. I forgot what it was like to be a newbie on there. I guess I will have to wait about a week to get past the gold rush.

BikeRider
08-23-13, 15:56
If you really want to get into her (or anyone else's head) , read this.

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Magic-Translation-Neuro-linguistic-Psychotherapy/dp/1904424112Ross Jeffries fan?

I've never really believed NLP works. But I'm open to first hand experience reports of its success.

JoeBlowDC
08-24-13, 10:58
Thats a good question. For a tech company owner thats not a techie I know a few things. But can not definitively answer that question. I am sure someone can.Yes hidden AND encrypted. Google is your friend. Eom.

Revvo
08-24-13, 12:37
I seem to be getting lucky lately with some relatively normal women. I mean I have been looking for really hot sexual women and that was really a tough road. But normal women has now been a big success. And a surprise.

I have one MILF 37 blond blue eyed and very good looking. She has three kids divorced worked at same job 11 years is educated and self supporting. Se is extremely intelligent and prefers to talk about interesting things. How refreshing. No pressure no silliness.

I have a 27 YO single educated blond blue eyed honey, very attractive but not model material. She lives in the area she grew up in. Good job, stable with her own car and apartment. Has close ties in community and is happy to help her friends. She is very sexual and is crazy about me already. I can't find any craziness.

I have a 24 YO very cute girl next door brunette. Works at a good job and has a second job where she gets extra money. She is very responsible has her own apartment and car and is extremely active in sports and social events. She has strong ties in the community lives not to far from here rents who are still married.

These are all pots. No Drama no insanity. My question is. Too good to be true? Maybe. I know that I sure am thankful. My other question. Do you brothers have normal babies? If so where would they fall on the NANDO scale.

So pleased.

Revvo

HollywoodGuy
08-24-13, 13:03
Ross Jeffries fan?

I've never really believed NLP works. But I'm open to first hand experience reports of its success.It absolutely works. But must be studied and applied. But even the basics give you a leg up in any negotiation. First started using it on the job about 15 years ago. Still look for que's when I am talking to someone.

BigTigger
08-25-13, 17:03
The number of new women and women that respond is pretty low. I finally broke down and bought 1 month's worth.

Had my first hit, she did not have a pic. 21 year old African American spinner. She had recently been burned by a SD who saw her twice and was supposed to put money in her account. After he got the goods the 2nd time, he got her account info and disappeared. I promised her that that's not me. She attempted to come across as that was her only experience. I offered $800 per month to see her twice a week, with promised to go up to $1200. Let me be clear, I have 2 steady SBs who are really taking all my time and funds. I was also planning to hit this a few times and either bounce or drop one of the other ones.

She initially agreed, then kinda balked at the $100 per meet. Then more of the truth comes out. Oh I usually require $$ per date. (Wait I thought she was new and inexperienced. LOL). I then asked, well do you have your own place and do you drive? No to both. I told her without those two, I cannot commit to $$. Then she said well when I'm only getting $800 I usually only see them once a week. Again, thought she was a newbie, LOL. I said, without your own place and own transportation, I'll never be at $1600 per month!

She says she's willing to try $800. Then sends an email after seeing my pics saying she's not interested, that amount is too low.

Just goes to show, no matter how you meet, you still got to be on your SD game and stick to your guns.

BigTigg

Member #4025
08-27-13, 16:37
My question is simple, but as with most simple questions the answer most likely is not.

Question. I'm a married monger looking for a decent / reasonable short term stay (hotel / apt, etc) to host a sugar baby that I've just met; any thoughts or suggestions?

A little more background.

I live and work near East Lansing, MI; I've been reading the posts in this forum for the past couple of months and have garnered valuable information to get my feet wet as a SD. My dilemma is one that has been faced by many a married SD I'm sure. My guess is there is no easy answer, but I hope that someone may have a creative solution that can work for me so thanks in advance for anything you can share.

Since I am married, I cannot reasonably host at my home; discretion is also important so most traditional hotels aren't an option, ; and notels, well are just not someplace to take a regular SB.

Earlier this summer I met a SB through CL; she is 24 yr old MSU grad student and she could host so this was great; for a variety of reasons, not the least of which has been a change in her ability to host, this SB relationship has gone to a holding pattern.

Today I met with another potential SB; she is a 21 year old senior at MSU and she can't host because she has roommates but is more than ready to consummate a reasonable SB / SD relationship if I can figure out the meeting arrangements.

Any help or insight any of you can offer will be most appreciated; please post or pm as you prefer.

All the best, #4025

Revvo
08-27-13, 17:26
There are a couple of things you can do and has been covered on many posts on here.

1. You can let your baby make the reservation at the hotel and then you can pay with cash.

2. You can get yourself a separate credit card that your SO does not know about.

3. You can also get a Amex gift card at most drug stores and put cash on it and pay with that.

Are you afraid of having your name on the room? You can also use a different name just a little out of sync from your real name on the reservation. Like joe Houston instead of joe Hudson.

I am sure you will hear many more ideas.

Revvo

FredMoore
08-27-13, 17:39
My question is simple, but as with most simple questions the answer most likely is not.

Question. I'm a married monger looking for a decent / reasonable short term stay (hotel / apt, etc) to host a sugar baby that I've just met; any thoughts or suggestions?

Any help or insight any of you can offer will be most appreciated; please post or pm as you prefer.

All the best, #4025Hey #4025! Much space has been used to list the multiple ways to covertly secure a FC, so I won't repeat what is already here.

" traditional hotels aren't an option, ; and notels, well are just not someplace to take a regular SB."

I will rebut that statement. I have entertained multiple Quality Babies at Notels. Lately I found 2 $40 Brand Name Notels in 2 different cities on Hotels.com searching by lowest cost and they are just fine. Don't try to impress the HCBs with expensive digs, they want the $$. I tell them that I would rather spend the money on their needs rather than book an expensive Hotel. Not one seems to care. I book by calling the desk, ask for the internet rate , leave a credit card # to secure the room emphasizing that I will be paying cash and not to run the card unless I no show.which of course I won't. Now the innkeeper knows me by name and voice and doesn't even ask for a card. You could not get that personal service at The Hilton. My guy is Pakistani, owns the notel, and loves to see me coming. And Cum I do!

F Scott
08-27-13, 19:13
There are a couple of things you can do and has been covered on many posts on here.

1. You can let your baby make the reservation at the hotel and then you can pay with cash.

2. You can get yourself a separate credit card that your SO does not know about.

3. You can also get a Amex gift card at most drug stores and put cash on it and pay with that.

Are you afraid of having your name on the room? You can also use a different name just a little out of sync from your real name on the reservation. Like joe Houston instead of joe Hudson.

I am sure you will hear many more ideas.

Revvo4025,

I often go to nicer, boutique-type hotels, which can be booked mid-week, when I prefer to play, through hotels.com or other similar travel sites for a fraction of the rack rate. I use a green dot card with about $25 on it to secure the room (most sites will let you do this, with the understanding that you will pay when you arrive) , then use my real name but a fake "business" address when checking in. I also make a point of saying to the clerk that I don't want any snail mail, email or other correspondance being sent to me. I am still leaving a "trail" but a minimal one which unless your wife has hired a divorce lawyer already, will probably not come back to bite you.

That said, in my 3+ years in the Bowl, I have never had even a tiny scrap of paper trail follow me home. I do make a point of avoiding chains where I have reward memberships, like Hilton or Marriott. But that's why I like the boutique hotels.

I agree with Nando that the babies mostly don't care, but some do, and I love a nice hotel room, so at the very least I'm booking it for me AND the baby.

I never check out at the front desk, just leave the key cards in the room and go. You may be apprehensive now, but start out practicing with Motel 6, like I did, and soon you will be booking the honeymoon suite at the Ritz, if there even is such a thing anymore.

Like Rev and Fred, I urge you to read back through the Club Journal. This has been covered many times, with lots of invaluable advice. At the end of the day, the Bowl is not without its risks, but we brothers share to help minimize them for each other as much as possible. Nothing can replace field experience, however. If you're not willing to get burned at least once, don't even pick up a lighter.

In other news, my current ATF, with my encouragement and help, applied for and was offered a fantastic job which will unfortunately mean she will move to NYC on the 9th of September. The company is in its infancy, but is a phenomenal concept that I am convinced will grow exponentially, and she is one of the people responsible for launching it in new cities across the country, and eventually intercontinentally. To say I am severly depressed would be an understatement of the greatest magnitude. I imagined us growing old (er) together, my brothers, but that now seems like a distant dream. Fuck, fuck and double fuck!

I am attempting to dull my all-too-real pain by fucking a hot AA spinner tomorrow, but I know it will be bittersweet at best. As I have said many times before, be careful what you wish for. The heart wants what it wants, and we are powerless in the face of its will.

As my BFF Magic said to me, I have been through this before and my next ATF is waiting out there for me, but from where I am at this moment, she is awfully hard to see.

Onward, and Brother 4025, don't forget to write!

Peace,

Scott

HighCotton
08-27-13, 21:28
Well, fellas, its been awhile since I reported in. And what a year its been. I'll spare you all the gory details. But to sum it up I've continued to find success on SA, its been a great summer. Most of my conquests have come during work-related travel, Richmond has dried up on me a bit, but still working a couple of babies. Truth is, I've got a couple of non-SA UTRs in Richmond that keep me pretty happy at very reasonable prices. If you do travel. Chicago has been an absolute gold mine.

Let me preface this by saying I'm late 30s, great shape, professional single WM. Decent looking guy, which I think matters. And being single is a huge advantage in the bowl, I think.

One of the things that surprises me is the variety one finds with these babies. Some just want quick cash for quick visits (fine by me) , those I can usually talk down into the $ or less range per visit (had one in the RIC who would session for. 4 or. 6, cute young white professional girl, I think she just liked the thrill of it all. But sadly she moved on). I'm also astounded by the "normalness" of many of these women. The internet has clearly opened the world's oldest profession to a wider pool of participants.

I've had two who gave it up for free but wanted me to be there boyfriend (NOT) , one of them I will still see from time to time, the other turned psycho on me. Serious daddy issues. I've got another one that I met on a work trip who simply never brought up money. I think her view is if I take her out to dinner at a nice restaurant I deserve to get laid. Fine by me, though alas she lives far, far away so meetings are few and far between. Best one tho was one I met in VA who, after we did the deed and I asked about what she needed for sugar, replied "a pack of smokes would be great". Loved her. And I threw in a lighter.

FWIW as a warning to those of you who might consider "dating" or getting serious with one of these ladies. I had one smoking hot (seriously, trust me) , Ivy-educated, professional, interesting, seemingly cool normal girl who I hung out with for a good six months. No cash after the first meeting, we just enjoyed each others company and fucked like rabbits. Anyway, she wanted us to be exclusive (she swore she was not seeing anyone else) and serious and she loves me and whatnot, and while instinct told me no I started to waiver. Until she left her cell in my hotel room one night and I could see all the text messages back and forth from her to all you guys. Some SD (superdumbass?) is paying her $3k per night BTW. Likely an I-banker. Naturally I didn't call her on it, why ruin a good (free) thing. But a word to the wise to realize what you are dealing with here.

Freebies and discounts aside, the norm for me has been for girls to ask around $3-400, I counter with $-$$ per visit (depending on hotness) , and move on if they say no. Oddly enough I find no correlation between sugar amount and session quality. I also find that, if they will do $-$$ initially, once they get comfortable with me they will meet for less. A good thing.

I've only done SA, so if any of you VA guys have feedback on SD4ME I'd love to hear it.

So the "short version". And looking forward to a productive fall.

HollywoodGuy
08-28-13, 01:18
Oddly enough I find no correlation between sugar amount and session quality.I have to remind myself of this over and over. But higher sugar amounts does make it easier to get better looking girls. I remember my first true SB. She was off the charts in looks and no big deal in bed. After we broke up she was constantly annoyed at the looks quality of some of my babes. She was like "why do you date them?". Take a guess.

Any guy who has been around knows that looks do not equate to skill level. If they did we would only date the hottest looking girls. But hottest looking and sexiest are 2 different things. And yeah when you can roll it all up together, great. I admit I love watching my 19 year old princess when we are doing it. And she is getting better over time. But if I judged her on skills alone she would have been out the door a long time ago.

My roommate is one of the sexiest girls I have ever known. Literally an addiction. But she is no swimsuit model. And my MILF who has porn star skills is 45. And no 45 year old can compete with a 19 year old in my book as far as looks alone. So it's a never ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.

HollywoodGuy
08-28-13, 03:03
I am thinking of just having all the girls pose on the porch for authenticity purposes. Here is an X from a couple years ago. I still talk to her, but no more sugar for this asian spinner. 7/10/8/10 5"5".105 lbs

HappyHunter44
08-28-13, 07:00
I am thinking of just having all the girls pose on the porch for authenticity purposes. Here is an X from a couple years ago. I still talk to her, but no more sugar for this asian spinner. 7/10/8/10 5"5".105 lbsI never figured this out and a little embarrassed to ask. When ratings are given, what is the order? For example,"7/10/8/10" stands for looks, skills, etc, but each number corresponds to what exactly? Thanks.

HollywoodGuy
08-28-13, 09:51
I never figured this out and a little embarrassed to ask. When ratings are given, what is the order? For example,"7/10/8/10" stands for looks, skills, etc, but each number corresponds to what exactly? Thanks.Face / body / personality / skills

but I see some guys like the 3 part formula

face/body/skills

having the personality and skills in one number.

HappyHunter44
08-28-13, 12:17
Face / body / personality / skills.

But I see some guys like the 3 part formula.

Face / body / skills.

Having the personality and skills in one number.HG, Thank you very much.

Ky Man629
08-28-13, 17:04
Hi Gents:

It has been a good while since I updated things although I read this forum almost daily, but now it is time for me to share some experiences.

My ATF. As I have posted before my ATF is from meeting at a Local Strip club about 8 years a go. It took me a good while to get her to see me outside but it finally worked out and we have been seeing each other pretty regular since then. She either comes to my place or I go to hers (usually hers) since her husband is a trucker and is gone most of the week days leaving her alone and horny. She loves DATY and is multi orgasmic until she is breathless and begging for me to stop. She is still hot even now in her mid to late 30s. Still works part time in one of the local clubs when she wants. Has a pic on her wall from when she was in the Deja Vu club magazine a few years ago. Damage is now 0. 5 to me once a week.

I have my first 2 hits from Craigslist from posting that I have a hotel room and just need some company $.

#1 is a blond MILF in her late 20's with a six year old kid. Slender just out of a relationship where she did not have to work, relationship ended a few months ago. She is in school and scheduled to graduate in Dec. She answered my post late in the day after I had left the hotel room so we text a few times that night and the next morning then she tells me her kid is going to a friends house and her apt is a vailable if I can make it. Lucky ME! Was there in about half hour and was able to spend about 90 min whith her. She does great BBBJ and loves DATY. On this meeting she was begging for a facial so what else could a guy do? She loved it. She wanted $ but was able to do it for half of that. Have seen her 3 more time since then at her place and going back Friday.

#2. I met on Saturday morning after texting for a while on Friday. Picked her up just up the street from her house since her high school daughter was at home. We went to get a room for an hour or so. She is a Brunette in her late 30s or early 40s. Nice body for her age and was ready to go. Just needed a little help with her bills. (0. 75 total) Nice enough lady very accomidating and very good BBBJ skills, but just not my cup of Tea. Most likley will not repeat.

On another note. In my area of Central Ky the prices on BP are very nice at this point. With a little work and research you can have a good time with a nice young lady at her hotel room for 50 to 100. I had a great time today with a 20 year old red head who is part time on BP. She is a little thicker and not skinny but still nice and young with a cute little voice who loved to talk and make sure I was happy. She is bi and has a BF who does not know what she does. Loves DATY and has seen other providers in the area herself. We talked for a while and she wants to have a 3 some with my ATF who is also bi. At the end or our session she says that next time I can come to her place in a town about 30 min away if I want.

So the summer has been pretty good here in Kentucky.

Live Long and Prosper Gents

BigTigger
08-28-13, 20:42
My second POT from AF has a bad case of GPS combined with immaturity. Originally she didn't want to talk money until we met. Then she asked via email and when she didn't like my numbers she didn't respond at all. It took a number of emails and texts to get her to respond. Finally I asked if the amount was too low. She said yes. When I ask where she wants to be, she says never mind it's way over my budget and I even gave her a fake high budget. She's beautiful, young, has a wonderful curvy body and a cool personality. She may find what she's looking for, but I doubt it.

I have a nice looking 21 year old AA spinner from AF. She has agreed to 6 dates per month at $800. She doesn't communicate much or very well. We have a date setup for Tuesday night. I think she might be semi-pro as she's cool with us starting the Tiggabounce on the first date if there are not setbacks during dinner (My RG3 Reference, LOL).

Out of the blue I hit up MsCoolSlim. She had disappeared for a while, but she assured me it was because she was just uncomfortable meeting someone from online. We exchanged some more emails and had a Skype date today. That made her a lot more comfortable. Wow she's stunning! We have a date set for Wed, I'm going to have to go slower with her, but the good thing is that the suga can go slow also. She is the one that I thought would really slow me down. Right now she does not have a place, but once she does and I have full time access to those goodies, I'll "try" to slow down again.

Met a 21 year old Co-ed for dinner a few days ago. We had exchanged information on SA right before the STL trip. I had dropped her because she had gained weight and was sending out photos as both skinny and bigger without warning, LOL. Plus I had way too many on the hook to deal with that. She was nice and definitely a little chunkier than I like, but that butt was banging. She agreed to not start up a full arrangement. We'll link up when we both have time. I'll make sure to give at least $ and she'll be happy. I'll just call her MsPreLaw.

MsSuccessful has taken a job in my area. She's moving the family up here at some point within the next year. Wow, what a change. She wants to get some luvin once every other week. Not funds needed other than cover the room. Very nice!

I currently have 3 on-call BootyCall Babies. MsLatinaMILF, MsPreLaw and MsSuccessful.

Two that I'm "exclusive" with. MsNurseBooty and my ATF. At some point I'm going to be so unavailable, that these two will drop me.

BigTigg

Velroy
08-28-13, 21:50
God lord tig. Good fucking lord and congrats. Please share the secret to your success LOL.


My second POT from AF has a bad case of GPS combined with immaturity. Originally she didn't want to talk money until we met. Then she asked via email and when she didn't like my numbers she didn't respond at all. It took a number of emails and texts to get her to respond. Finally I asked if the amount was too low. She said yes. When I ask where she wants to be, she says never mind it's way over my budget and I even gave her a fake high budget. She's beautiful, young, has a wonderful curvy body and a cool personality. She may find what she's looking for, but I doubt it.

I have a nice looking 21 year old AA spinner from AF. She has agreed to 6 dates per month at $800. She doesn't communicate much or very well. We have a date setup for Tuesday night. I think she might be semi-pro as she's cool with us starting the Tiggabounce on the first date if there are not setbacks during dinner (My RG3 Reference, LOL).

Out of the blue I hit up MsCoolSlim. She had disappeared for a while, but she assured me it was because she was just uncomfortable meeting someone from online. We exchanged some more emails and had a Skype date today. That made her a lot more comfortable. Wow she's stunning! We have a date set for Wed, I'm going to have to go slower with her, but the good thing is that the suga can go slow also. She is the one that I thought would really slow me down. Right now she does not have a place, but once she does and I have full time access to those goodies, I'll "try" to slow down again.

Met a 21 year old Co-ed for dinner a few days ago. We had exchanged information on SA right before the STL trip. I had dropped her because she had gained weight and was sending out photos as both skinny and bigger without warning, LOL. Plus I had way too many on the hook to deal with that. She was nice and definitely a little chunkier than I like, but that butt was banging. She agreed to not start up a full arrangement. We'll link up when we both have time. I'll make sure to give at least $ and she'll be happy. I'll just call her MsPreLaw.

MsSuccessful has taken a job in my area. She's moving the family up here at some point within the next year. Wow, what a change. She wants to get some luvin once every other week. Not funds needed other than cover the room. Very nice!

I currently have 3 on-call BootyCall Babies. MsLatinaMILF, MsPreLaw and MsSuccessful.

Two that I'm "exclusive" with. MsNurseBooty and my ATF. At some point I'm going to be so unavailable, that these two will drop me.

BigTigg

FredMoore
08-29-13, 11:45
ATF #3 has agreed to resume our old arrangement. I am skeptical because of her behavior the last time we were together but perhaps she has not been so successful finding a replacement on her terms. She is an absolute spinner even by Hollywood's standards with niice C cups and well formed all around. She is a 10/10/10/8. The latter 2 points off are due to her lack of kissing. But I can enjoy nuzzling and kissing her body parts including her pussy, which is sweet and sensitive. She is an absolute screamer too which is very stimulating.

ATF #4 has been entertaining twice this week and beats my dick like a dead horse until I am sore and I require hot soaks. Love it!

Teen Baby has been unresponsive and not on the site after her attack of GPS. She apparently needed / wanted a quick cash transfusion to take care of a load of bills / expenses and wasn't willing to take a slower but steady route to riches. This younger generation wants it all at once. She could have had ATF potential with a long lucrative relationship but was perhaps wanting to score and run. I predict that if I was willing to give an $800 allowance up front I would not have heard from her again. She is a 9/9/9/9. As we have all said at one time or another, teens are skittish and unpredictable. Immaturity rules the day.

KingGreg
08-29-13, 16:42
Well, my all time favorite SB in NY / NJ area, seen her 3 times. First date- nice one, afternoon to late night. Second, same. Third, overnight in the resort. But. As it turns. Out, it became like she is the boss, and I am getting allowance. This was 2 days event but started with too bossy. Everything was like you did this. Or don't do this. I felt like there was complete disconnect. I just decided to make it a 1 day trip instead of 2. Learned something, it is I am paying for hotel, expenses, allowance. SB yes, I respect but they can't just be on their own. It has to be mutual agreement. So. This SB. Is gone. I decided to cut loose. I am happy in the local Virginia now.

Well, on the other hand. I think this is a art. I learned so many things in last 1 month. I had 1 potential SB texting me. That she need to make a car payment and can I wire / MO money using WU. I said no. Found out on twitter that she is at redskin pre-season game. She doesn't know that but. Guys. Be lookout on social media- FB, Twitter pages for your SB.

Guys, what do you think about SB who writes on their profile that they don't smoke. But in reality, found on social media, she is smoking weeds and other. Hmm.

WOW. This world is crazy.

Just don't know if I can find a regular SB who is to good to be true. For my likeness.

KingGreg
08-29-13, 16:58
What are the most common excuses to get money from you. I found few.

1. My car payment is due. If I don't make $$$ today, they will take my car. Can you go Western Union and send me money.

2. My car is broken. Can you send me money asap so I can drive.

3. Tomorrow is my birthday. Can you get me gift today? I need to buy a nice dress.

4. Need to pay rent. If I don't landlord is going to kick me out.

5. Electricity bill is due. If I don't' pay it then I will be in dark.

6. Cell phone. Bill.

7. If you don't send me allowance, I will be starving for next 1 week (this was my first SB telling me.)

Huh. There need to be a list published. So when they really give such poor reasoning. We know. How to answer.

I think. SD should be able to see the bill to believe it.

Ha ha.

F Scott
08-29-13, 16:59
Gentlemen,

In deference to some of you who have experienced this many times before, I am posting to crow about a sweet double header I scored yesterday which has certainly taken some of the sting out of the sad, sad reality that my new ATF is leaving town on the 9th of next month, probably for good.

For some reason, my account on SD4Me is once again allowing me full access to all babies, even though when I log on it tells me I am persona non grata as far as their billing department is concerned. Whatever. I have been blasting emails out within a 50 mile radius of me with astonishing results. Apparently the Sugar Gods have found me in favor again, and I have had several m&gs (not all to my liking, but still) and am currently filling in my dance card for next week with 3 of the ones who made the cut.

But back to yesterday: I met with an adorable, pixie-ish 22 yo AA spinner for coffee on Tuesday and we hit it off wonderfully. I had an AA GF in college who I was insane for, but our friends gave us each such shit about dating outside our race (BTW, aren't we all part of the HUMAN race?) that it was just too difficult to keep it going. Anyway, we met, had an instant rapport, and made plans to meet at a nearby motel the following day. So think Halle Berry, but smaller and with slightly upturned eyes, and you begin to get close. Tiny hips, tiny waist, adorable face, short hair, sweet little boobs, funny, smart, not at all ghetto, and easy to spend time with.

At the motel she turned a little bit shy at first, which was incredibly appealing, but once we had talked a bit and had started kissing, the game was on, and oh, my brothers, she was incredible! Her entire body seemed to be an erogenous zone, and when I settled in to apply my Super Secret Oral Speed Orgasm Technique, I thought she would explode! My ears are still a little flat from being squeezed so hard between her thighs. She also kept up a very soft, quiet narrative of dirty talk that I found extremely erotic, and certainly spurred me on to do more than my best!

Since we met at 9 in the morning, and she had to be on the way to work at 11, we didn't have a huge amount of time, which may have been for the best, because she rode me ragged, and I know she has more ideas in mind for the next time. I felt like a MegaStud, to be honest, and at one point in her quiet talking she was thanking me for fucking her! Don't know about you all, but that's a first for me. We are penciled in for a repeat next week, time and day to be determined, but she is definitely a keeper.

After a mutual shower, we parted and I headed in to the city for my next rendezvous with a super skittish 24 yo baby who I have been pursuing for almost 6 months. We met on SA, had a coffee shortly thereafter, and made plans to have breakfast a few days later. I honestly thought she would vanish because she was so far out of my league in terms of looks, but I proceeded anyway, and we actually had a great time once again. Several meals later, she suggested that we should start "seeing each other" and make things official by spending some "private time" together. Needless to say, I was totally on board, and urged her to find some time in her schedule as I would in mine. After going radio silent, she replied a week or so later that I was coming on way too aggressively, that she now felt she really didn't know me at all, and basically that I should go and fuck myself. Huh?

A month or so later, I got an email from her saying just "hi", and the whole dance began again. To make a long story short, the alternating cycle of "come fuck me"/"go fuck yourself" went on three more times, with me finally just playing along with detached interest more than with any real hopes of ever getting POTF, all the way up until yesterday, when I showed up at her apartment to find her actually inside it, and after a really wonderful hour or so of talking and cuddling on her couch, she suggested we move to her bed. This was an idea I readily agreed to, at which point she literally tore my clothes off and tried to shove my entire body into her pussy. Is this what is meant by being born again? If so, I'm converting!!

Coincidentally, she also proved to be a dirty talker, and was very vocal in her appreciation of my efforts. Scottie and I were praising the genius who invented Viagra, and those clever Indian chemists who know how to produce the generic version of it, as we were banging away at this gorgeous baby who lay underneath us. Truly, she is a stunningly beautiful girl, in a totally natural way, and I just couldn't believe my luck at finally finding myself between her thighs, her ankles on my shoulders and her hands on my ass, pulling me into her as hard as she could, all the while breathing "fuck me" over and over. Total Old Folks Home memory to be sure. I hope I forget my own name before I forget that! This is a fabulous life when it works, or all the time if you are Big Tigg!

For the holiday weekend, I am headed out of town tomorrow to our place in the country, where I hope to be fucking a beautiful baby I met a while back whose aunt is currently starring in a cable program that I like to watch. Every time my SO and I are viewing it, I smile to myself when I see the aunt and think "I'm fucking your niece".

What a world!

Scott

BigTigger
08-29-13, 18:18
Thanks for sharing, those kind of reports keep me encouraged. I wished my game worked all the time, I would be much richer and more trusting.

BT

F Scott
08-29-13, 18:34
Thanks for sharing, those kind of reports keep me encouraged. I wished my game worked all the time, I would be much richer and more trusting.

BTI wish my game worked half the time that yours does, my brother! I would be much poorer and more tired, but nonetheless, happy.

If it were easy, they'd be called escorts, right?

Scott

Gogreen
08-29-13, 18:37
Hi Guys,

I'm an aspiring SD in the 50th state. I'm married and 40 and have mostly played in the escort arena to date, but would prefer something non-pro and less transactional. I've been reading your reports trying to capture some of your knowledge and wisdom as I make my first foray into the SB. A big thank you to you all for your contributions. I've still got about 50 pages to go, but it's been a great read. I've made that risk analysis and am getting into the game.

So far I haven't had much luck yet, as I'm pretty picky in wanting younger (less than 35) .7-10's in the looks department and the slim and athletic build. It seems the available talent pool has neither quality or quantity, at least on SA, AF, SDFM, and WYP. I've been in touch with about 5 different POT's but haven't been able to get to M&G yet. A couple seem relatively new to the game and the others seem a bit more experienced. Been exchanging some emails and texts but they always seem to flake right before the M&G. I know SA said UHawaii ranked high with SB's but it's either fluff or I'm not fishing in the ponds.

Additional challenges for me are that I don't get to travel much do to our geographic isolation, warden restrictions, not really having a job conducive to travel and this state being so small that it's hard to be discrete. That being said, I hope I'll have more successes to report in the weeks / months to come.

While this is probably ahead of the game since I haven't made any contributions If anyone has had luck with HYT and HCB that are trustworthy to travel and you're willing to share, I'd be open to bringing them for a getaway. It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks again!

GoGreen

F Scott
08-29-13, 18:52
While this is probably ahead of the game since I haven't made any contributions If anyone has had luck with HYT and HCB that are trustworthy to travel and you're willing to share, I'd be open to bringing them for a getaway. It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks again!

GoGreenWhile I appreciate your constraints in trying to fish in a bucket, I think you may have inadvertently hit upon the solution to your problem. Search in the LA, San Diego and other west coast arenas, and offer these babies a trip to Hawaii! Dude, you have a golden ticket to endless pussy, at least as I see it! You need to configure a scheme where you don't pay in advance for a ticket, but reimburse them once they arrive and surrender the goods, so they don't scam you, but still, this is but a trifle. Only the details remain to be figured out.

I am short on time at the moment, so need to sign off, but I'm sure my other brothers here will have much to say on this subject. From my vantage point, it looks to me like you don't have lemons, but rather a lemonade factory; you just need to figure out how to set it up.

Don't forget to write,

Scott

Revvo
08-29-13, 20:57
Hey I got a interesting hit on Craigslist from someone with pretty hot pics. She is asking me to go to a site http://nostringsverify.com/sammipage69

To verify myself. Has anyone ever done this before? Is it a scam?

She says it only costs a dollar. And I guess I would have to use my real identity, which is a problem.

Anyone know anything about it?

Rphphd
08-29-13, 21:05
Hey I got a interesting hit on Craigslist from someone with pretty hot pics. She is asking me to go to a site.

http://nostringsverify.com/sammipage69

To verify myself. Has anyone ever done this before? Is it a scam?

She says it only costs a dollar. And I guess I would have to use my real identity, which is a problem.

Anyone know anything about it?Yeah its a scam, they want you to signup for a buck. 3 days then ongoing upgrades and phony emails, replys to you. Same thing happened to me with this chick who says she uses this to verify. Blah. Blah. Blah meanwhile I've had two different sites offering the same deal contact me within the last day since she's gotten ahold of my email.

Dsprdo
08-29-13, 21:21
Hey I got a interesting hit on Craigslist from someone with pretty hot pics. She is asking me to go to a site.

http://nostringsverify.com/sammipage69

To verify myself. Has anyone ever done this before? Is it a scam?

She says it only costs a dollar. And I guess I would have to use my real identity, which is a problem.

Anyone know anything about it?I fished on Craigslist for a week or two and 99% of the responses I got were trying to direct me to one of those verification sites. I never did it so I could be wrong but I think its a scam. I got pics of the same girl from multiple ads with different names. All of the pics I got were bordering on TGTBT.

Ky Man629
08-29-13, 21:26
Hey I got a interesting hit on Craigslist from someone with pretty hot pics. She is asking me to go to a site.

http://nostringsverify.com/sammipage69

To verify myself. Has anyone ever done this before? Is it a scam?

She says it only costs a dollar. And I guess I would have to use my real identity, which is a problem.

Anyone know anything about it?I do not go to those sites because they always want a Credit Card # which I never give out. You will get a lot of scams on Craigslist but sometimes you find something good.

Diamondman
08-29-13, 21:26
I fished on Craigslist for a week or two and 99% of the responses I got were trying to direct me to one of those verification sites. I never did it so I could be wrong but I think its a scam. I got pics of the same girl from multiple ads with different names. All of the pics I got were bordering on TGTBT.Scam scam scam, don't ever go to those verification sites, you will never ever meet the girl. She makes money for every guy she directs to it. STAY away!

Always, try and get them to send you pictures, text them, try and always get them to contact you, so you know they are real!

Revvo
08-29-13, 21:31
Scam scam scam, don't ever go to those verification sites, you will never ever meet the girl. She makes money for every guy she directs to it. STAY away!

Always, try and get them to send you pictures, text them, try and always get them to contact you, so you know they are real!Thanks guys. It does appear to be a scam. She sent me several pics. I did a pipl search on her name and city and it showed a person there but it was a common name. I did a tineye search and her pics showed up all over the place foreign sites and porn sites and amature self pic sites etc.

I was going to try to get her to text. But even when I tried to reply to her email yahoo mail was warning me not to. So I deleted all emails and pics.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

F Scott
08-30-13, 07:22
On another matter, I have been idly amusing myself by collecting the most absurd names from scam emails I have been getting, and I just want to share them for the amusement of the clubhouse. I swear on all the panties I have caused to fall to the floor that they are all true; well, at least as sent to me. As I said before, I wish I were this creative.

Yuhas Spradling.

Circle Mcravin (my personal favorite. Being Irish, I think I had a great aunt with this name)

Prashad Duch

Syring Dayan.

Sprenger Paris.

Sprenger Glade

Sprenger Edelbrock (a popular first name, apparently)

Montis Hesseltine

Bulleri Ingegner (I'm not even sure how to pronounce this one)

Crounse Cartagena (runner up for favorite. I may actually reply to her, just so I can add her to my contact list)

Ruggle Beltron (I thought this was a character Vim Diesel played. How far he has fallen. Sad really)

Delawder Martnez

Thibodeaux Bourgoyne.

Durphey Bourgoyne

Riva Bourgoyne.

Wiedeman Bourgoyne (sisters, apparently, or a mother / daughter fuck fest. Either way, I'm all in!)

I'm trying to imagine what foreign country these are all coming from, and what they are using to generate these names.All these emails came as a result of a single posting on CL, and all of them had virtually the same text, urging me to prove I was real by going to a verification site. I am still getting them months later, but the names are nowhere near as creative as these.

FredMoore
08-30-13, 11:51
"Good night, good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow, that I shall say good night til it be morrow " Ah Shakespeare said it so well did he not?

Well gents, the time has come that I turn off the burner phone, close my SA / SDFM account, put my travel bag away, and ride into the sunset. It is not bittersweet, but only bitter that I give up the lifestyle that I have enjoyed for oh so many years. The reasons are several, but I realize for sure that this lifestyle is not compatible with a healthy relationship with a SO (or any for that matter) , in fact, it is damaging and unfair to her. Some of us get away with the sham for awhile and fool ourselves into thinking that we can play both ends against the middle, but it eventually comes back to bite you in the ass if you are in it long enough. I do value my SO and am going to make the effort to give her the attention that she deserves. There are of course, children, friends, family, finances involved. I am honored to have been in the company of so many cocks-men of note, and would like to think that I and my friend Nando have contributed substantive data to the group. I have been the recipient of multi hundreds of sweet babies' attentions, and spent tens of thousands of hard earned dollars chasing the holy grail, trying to (and succeeding) crawl into HYB's vaginas, hearts, and souls. I think I made a difference to their lives, and certainly to their bank accounts.

I leave with ATF #4 and SB #1 available whenever I would like, and it will be hard to resist occasionally dipping into that pool. I will no longer have the freedom of movement I had before, so any SB meet will be fraught with extreme hazard. I do seem to have a "get home free card ", but only one. Any more indiscretions will unleash the tiger within and life as I once knew it would be over. My ATF #3 last night was Amaaaazing as a parting gift from her, and she did not disappoint. We left on a lovely note.

I will probably lurk around and even contribute words of wisdom and experiences from the past from time to time. I will live vicariously through the brotherhood. You all prosper often and keep me entertained. Perhaps I will write a book, it's been a fascinating journey and I'm sure would be a good read. If I return actively, then my SO and I have called it quits. If I were single like Hollywood, I think I would just live the SD lifestyle and forget IRL relationships. Time will tell.

Peace Brothers, and be safe! Fred and Nando

Revvo
08-30-13, 13:08
And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.


"Good night, good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow, that I shall say good night til it be morrow " Ah Shakespeare said it so well did he not?

Well gents, the time has come that I turn off the burner phone, close my SA / SDFM account, put my travel bag away, and ride into the sunset. It is not bittersweet, but only bitter that I give up the lifestyle that I have enjoyed for oh so many years. The reasons are several, but I realize for sure that this lifestyle is not compatible with a healthy relationship with a SO (or any for that matter) , in fact, it is damaging and unfair to her. Some of us get away with the sham for awhile and fool ourselves into thinking that we can play both ends against the middle, but it eventually comes back to bite you in the ass if you are in it long enough. I do value my SO and am going to make the effort to give her the attention that she deserves. There are of course, children, friends, family, finances involved. I am honored to have been in the company of so many cocks-men of note, and would like to think that I and my friend Nando have contributed substantive data to the group. I have been the recipient of multi hundreds of sweet babies' attentions, and spent tens of thousands of hard earned dollars chasing the holy grail, trying to (and succeeding) crawl into HYB's vaginas, hearts, and souls. I think I made a difference to their lives, and certainly to their bank accounts.

I leave with ATF #4 and SB #1 available whenever I would like, and it will be hard to resist occasionally dipping into that pool. I will no longer have the freedom of movement I had before, so any SB meet will be fraught with extreme hazard. I do seem to have a "get home free card ", but only one. Any more indiscretions will unleash the tiger within and life as I once knew it would be over. My ATF #3 last night was Amaaaazing as a parting gift from her, and she did not disappoint. We left on a lovely note.

I will probably lurk around and even contribute words of wisdom and experiences from the past from time to time. I will live vicariously through the brotherhood. You all prosper often and keep me entertained. Perhaps I will write a book, it's been a fascinating journey and I'm sure would be a good read. If I return actively, then my SO and I have called it quits. If I were single like Hollywood, I think I would just live the SD lifestyle and forget IRL relationships. Time will tell.

Peace Brothers, and be safe! Fred and Nando

Marcus Weiner
08-30-13, 13:43
Greetings all. I have read this thread occasionally since I'm not all that far from Richmond (Baltimore), but I've noticed that the contributions made are from all over. I'm proud to say that I now have a regular rotation of about 4 or 5 SB's that I see a few times a-month. One is in her late 30's, blonde, long legs and lots of fun. The next is mixed Chinese and Russian, short but with nice breasts and a banging body. The next one is married, late 20's from South America, super-hot and always horny. The last one is an exotic dancer (stripper) , Latina, almost 6', former model and just so much fun! I started this with the Non-Pro scene a few years-ago on CL and BP. I met several young ladies looking for a fast financial fix, and more regular and long term. Most said that they needed help with a phone bill, car payment, etc. But some were more direct asking for a monthly allowance. I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I haven't posted on CL in a while, but have had an ad on BP running for some time and it keeps getting responses. Mostly from women that I'm not attracted to, until the other night. A very sexy 20 something, single mom. Mostly, I have been using WYP and have been fairly successful with that site. Most of the women on there are very attractive, but while most are looking for that "arrangement" they also expect you to pay them for a date without any dessert. I'm sorry again guys, but I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MW

Smokarz_XO
08-30-13, 13:56
And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.Same here, if you don't mind sharing your secret sauce with the brothers.

F Scott
08-30-13, 16:15
I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MWCongratulations on joining the most interesting, challenging, frustrating and rewarding Club in the country. We are, indeed, from all over these 50 states, but use this journal to share experiences, insights, successes and failures alike. All sincere posters are welcome, and you will find us all willing to help a brother in need.

That said, I would recommend you go back to the very beginning of the Baby Book, and read forward. There is a treasure trove of information here, all gained form personal experiences in the field, and all your questions will be answered. I feel safe in saying that none of us would shell out significant sugar upfront for just a dinner and drinks. Some, myself included, have from time to time given a baby an "advance". Some have lost the bet, but most of us have had it come back to us in multiples. What you are describing, though, sounds like these women want you to pay them for the privilege of buying them dinner with no promise or even intention of taking their clothes off later, and that sounds to me like lunacy.

Good luck in your hunt. Take advantage of the holiday weekend and do your homework. Not only is there great wisdom, it is the most literate and entertaining thread on the site, and you will enjoy yourself, I guarantee it.

Don't forget to write,

Scott

F Scott
08-30-13, 16:25
You will be missed, my friend! We have all learned so much from your experiences, insights and contributions. If you were only known for the "Nando Scale", your legacy would be assured!

Take care, rebuild your bridges, and do no harm. We are all, myself included, just a PM away.

Peace,

Scott

Revvo
08-30-13, 17:20
It never ceases to amaze or mystify me what these babies will do. I commented recently about normal babies. And I do indeed think the ones I mentioned are very much on the normal / sane side. I must qualify as sane as any woman can be. LOL. But I am still amazed and dazed and confused. I am always learning. I Consider myself to have some pretty good experience. But still I am baffled.

REVVO_ATF: I am thinking this one is may be on her way out. Still just as beautiful. And still very sexy. But just not available. Did her on Monday and had a good time but it wasn't great. Makes me think there may be something up. I have many options and do not believe she still qualifies for ATF status. She still is a 9/8/8/10 but. Since there can be only one ATF I may be replacing her soon. We shall see.

REVVO_POT1: So a mystery. Damn this one was good looking too. 37 YO blond, nice body, short about 5'2' gorgeous. I give her a 8/9/8. Very intelligent educated stable, normal MILF. This was totally outside of her comfort zone and I think that is what did the whole thing in. We were really into each other. Great communications, very very into the date and wanting more. Sending me pics and little hellos unsolicited. All the right signals. I can't for the life of me understand what happened. The day of our second date and impending trip to the FC. (she hasn't been fucked in over a year). She goes dark. Nothing nada. I just tell her to call when she gets a chance and we will reschedule. But no go. I have my theories on this. I think that sometimes they can be too normal and not adventurous enough and they cannot bring themselves to do it. Especially if they like you. And I am going out on a limb here I do believe she liked me, she said so many times. Fucking frustrating. But oh well. I can't have them all anyway.

REVVO_POT3: So another mystery. Of all the POTs I had this one I really expected to come through. I can't tell you how into me how quickly she was. This was going great. I mean all of the signs are there. Like a real very expressive intelligent good looking woman. Ready to know me and fuck me. Our conversations were great. Awesome communicator. We did our meet and greet and it went great again. She is 5'7' 27 YO blond blue eyed MILF with a toned and gorgeous body. She came with tights and the sexiest pair of 5' heels. We had a great lunch. And walked her to her car. We made out and I have to tell you she was one of the best kissers of any SB or baby I have had. It was so sensuous and sexy. And she was moaning and breathing heavy. And she was visibly moved. So was I. I really thought I had this in the bag. We texted a little later and both commented on how awesome this kiss was, and we had scheduled a meeting for two days later. After those last texts she went dark. WHAT THE FUCK! I can't believe this. I have to tell you in all of my dating life I have rarely ever had an interaction with a woman go this well. And she vanishes. I will still try to get her back but I think she is gone. Who knows. Too normal for this? I don't know. But once again I can't have them all. She was very prime for being ATF.

REVVO_POT4: Well this one is such a pleasant surprise. She is now REVVO_SB6.

REVVO_POT5: This is a new one from today. Like I said I let my membership expire and have been slowing my roll. But I aint crazy. When a hot SB contacts me with a gold membership and she is new and close by. I am going to contact her. So I did. She is 26 YO mixed, black / white / venezualan with a spinner body to die for. Her head is cute but not gorgeous. But the rest is perfect. I give her a 7/9. 5/9. So far. Tight and right. Beautiful bronze skin, slender hard body, she works out every day, an ass you could serve a beer on. Weighs 110 lbs and is 5'3' does that qualify for spinner material Hollywood? I think so. Educated has a bachelors degree and is a former high school and college cheerleader and used to coach high school cheerleading. Very normal and down to earth. She likes me already; uh oh watch out. LOL We have texted and talked and we are definitely on the same page. She is a good communicator and is a pleaser. She cannot find a job in her field. So she is a cook at Chilies for now. And looking for a little help. Not someone to support her. She is excited to see me but it may be a while since we both have busy schedules. Not holding my breath but she is looking real good right now.

REVVO_SB1: Tried to schedule her in but cannot. I put her off and she is cool with it. So cool and sweet little blond from Boston. Good booty call baby for now. I am going to eventually have to fuck her just to keep the contact.

REVVO_SB2: So I fucked my little Brazillian princess last Friday and it was great. She blew me and swallowed like a champion. And she would fuck bareback if I let her. She comes ever so easily and just shakes like she has parkinsons afterwards. What a beautiful site. At this point she is definitely the best fuck of the bunch. She is just so sexually expressive. What a delight. She went away this week to visit a friend out of town. Maybe able to see her next week. I will keep her at 7/8/9/10 for now. Body may deserve a 9 also. She liked my present but did not go crazy for it. Not sure If she is expecting payment. Maybe so. We shall see.

REVVO_SB3: Like I said before I really do not have the time or the energy to do everything in the relationship. She is cute but at the bottom of the list for now. Cute Morrocan but that is about it.

REVVO_SB4: So my little Colombian coconut popped back up and is ready to fuck. Good for her and me. Says she misses me and wants me to get all over her. Another normal woman by the way. But she is very ok with just being fuck buddies. We are scheduled for an afternoon of fun on Tuesday. I can't wait to get ahold of those beautiful big Columbian titties. Still at a 7/8/8/9. Very sensuous and probably the 2nd best fuck of the group.

REVVO_SB5: No activity her. My little European baby is still working at her modeling stuff and is starting to go from free to getting expenses paid to actually getting paid. Will talk to her next week and see how things are going. But as a rule I try to only fuck two a week.

REVVO_SB6: So this one was REVVO_POT4 and is now a new baby. She is my cute little girl next door. Hard working hard playing. Two jobs and love outdoor sports and working out. Very very busy. We had a hell of a time getting together and my patience and her good communicating finally made it happen. She is a little dream. Cute head, HYB 23 YO dark eyes brunette, spinner body 5'1', tight and right small breasts and sweet ass. I give her a 8/9/8/7 so far. She is a good kisser. And she hosts. Reasonable and willing and appreciative and wanting to be with me. It was our first session and was a little rushed but it went well. She has a really nice phat pussy and very responsive. I think she may be ATF material. The CPO is so low. I can fuck her two times a week and it is about as much as fucking the other ones once a week. And if I put her on an allowance and make her my main ATF. I figure around 800 per month for 6 or more visits per month. She could single handledly drop my expenditures in half. And I need that. She has a boyfriend but he is long distance and does not look like he is doing the job. As with most young babies she needs some training and warming up. But the potential is immense. She is ready to see me next Wednesday and so am I. I will wait for a couple of more sessions then we can talk allowance. I am thinking 800 per month for 6 visits per month.

There it is. A lot of stuff. But still cutting down. I believe the normal babies are as skittish as the hot young ones. Just seems like it is after the first date they bolt. It is strange that here I am knee deep in pussy and all I can think about is the ones that got away. Another subject for my therapist. LOL.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

Revvo
08-30-13, 17:27
Greetings all. I have read this thread occasionally since I'm not all that far from Richmond (Baltimore) , but I've noticed that the contributions made are from all over. I'm proud to say that I now have a regular rotation of about 4 or 5 SB's that I see a few times a-month. One is in her late 30's, blonde, long legs and lots of fun. The next is mixed Chinese and Russian, short but with nice breasts and a banging body. The next one is married, late 20's from South America, super-hot and always horny. The last one is an exotic dancer (stripper) , Latina, almost 6', former model and just so much fun! I started this with the Non-Pro scene a few years-ago on CL and BP. I met several young ladies looking for a fast financial fix, and more regular and long term. Most said that they needed help with a phone bill, car payment, etc. But some were more direct asking for a monthly allowance. I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I haven't posted on CL in a while, but have had an ad on BP running for some time and it keeps getting responses. Mostly from women that I'm not attracted to, until the other night. A very sexy 20 something, single mom. Mostly, I have been using WYP and have been fairly successful with that site. Most of the women on there are very attractive, but while most are looking for that "arrangement" they also expect you to pay them for a date without any dessert. I'm sorry again guys, but I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MWWelcome brother. But I must say if you have that many nice babies in a rotation. Then maybe you should teach us a thing or two. Tell us some stores. How did you get the ones you got.

How are they long term? Any gotchas or pitfalls. We like to hear it all. Hell just look at some of mine. Right now you are looking like a real stud.

I personally never shell out money for M&G and if they are asking for that they may not be an amature. By the way what is CYP?

Revvo

FredMoore
08-30-13, 18:14
And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.Thanks guys for your kind words. I'll be reading your stories with eager anticipation. The answer to your quick question Revvo is anything but quick . LOL

The" formula " for each one of us depends on our age, looks, charm, and sugar offer. Some of you come in with impossibly cheap (or free) babies and others spend a fortune. I am in the middle. I am lucky to have everything in the plus column except age, so I feel that I need to pay a little more to compete in the market I like, The 20s. I am 60ish, look 48 to 52 but still waaay too old for a 22 yr old to feel like I could possibly be an IRL candidate. Some of you are 30 to 40 and 20 somethings can see you as a potential lover rather than a daddy. Therefore they might be willing to date you for gas money or a nice meal. I'm a sugar grand daddy (SGD).

Ratings : (only make offers to the best)

Are totally personal, so my 10 might be your 8. But I do set pretty high standards. I only contact girls who are 8+ in the looks dept to begin with. I require a firm toned body and a pretty face, so right off the bat I have an 8to10/8to10/ ?/? . Occasionally the pics might be 5 yrs old and 20 Lbs lighter and if I am in a dry spell I will try them out, but will not keep them in the rotation. Attitude counts for a huge amount and can skew your impression of looks by virtue of her presentation. Finally, skills do not matter to me if looks and attitude are right. Plain vanilla fucking is still a hell of a lot of fun with an inexperienced girl who is eager and enthusiastic.

Location is key:

I believe you need to be in or near a large metro area with multiple colleges nearby. Central Va is ideal because Richmond is only 60 to 90 minutes away from DC, NOVA, and Tidewater. There is a huge military presence in Tidewater and my last 2 SBs were both military. Without counting there are over 10 colleges within 90 miles of Richmond. That represents a lot of HCBs who are broke and know about the Sugar world. You must stay at least 60 miles away from your home base if you have a SO. This allows you to date in the open more easily and hopefully not get spotted.

Sugar :

Last but not least. I pay $$.5 sometimes including Notel. If I pay for a Notel I add another $50. The total damage is $$$ plus entertainment. I usually take my baby out to dinner for an extra $ 50 to 75. The last Baby to scam me took $$.5 that I prepaid after seeing her for 5 or 6 times before that, but she didn't require food since she ate earlier with her kid, so in the end I saved a lot.

Perhaps I don't bargain hard enough but I feel that the price is fair if service is great.

Bottom line, if you are having a hard time attracting quality Babies 1) expand your search area to include a market I described above. 2) Polish your game by studying the "book" we all wrote. 3) set your standards higher, and 3) up your Sugar amount. You might not be as cute as Big Tigg or have game like F Scott and Hollywood.(Many of you are superstars, I don't mean to leave anyone out )

LoriTruck
08-30-13, 18:30
So I pay my dues on SA & jump on this one with profile # 1707726. I will dub her GED. 8/9/6. We message a few times back & forth and she says "I want a sd that's smart and funny and a gentleman, who loves to have fun especially with me. 3k to 4k a month." I talk her into a per meeting instead of an allowance and she says $$ per meet. I told her I was decent looking and can only do $ per meet and she agrees. I don't hear from her for a few days and out of nowhere I get a text asking if I have some green. Really?

We start chatting and agree to M&G but with college football kicking things off, I told her we will meet when the game is over. She is 18, no car, lives with 2 roomates and stays a shade over an hour away. The game ends late, I tell her I am on the way & she wants to know if I am bringing the $ for "our meeting." Junior convinces me that all the nice restaurants will be closed & that we could maybe crash at her place and relax. I get to the general area and stop to get supplies for our meeting, I plug in her address in my phone to minimize data usage, then I get a call from her wondering where I was at. The call knocked my Gps off & threw me off my route. I was already running late since the route to her city was surrounded by trees trees and more trees & I didn't want Bambi jumping out in front of my car & ruining a good meeting so I took my time getting there.

I get to her place, she's outside on her phone so I don't miss her place and off we went looking for a place to eat. It's 1am so we pull in at the Waffel house. We chat, come to find out she didn't finish highschool but hopes to finish up soon. I asked how she found out about the site & she said she saw an ad online & a recommendation from Dr. Phil, so she was sold since she liked his show. She kept glancing at her phone & I could sense that she was giving her roomates a play by play analyis of how the date was going. Long story short, our meal doesn't take long, I glance around and I didn't need binoculars to see the number of motels that surrounded us. We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place, which was only 2 minutes from the house of waffels. She says we should meet again, we are in her driveway then asks if I am going to pay her. I inquire the amount & she say "oh, just $50." She is 18 so you can imagine the conversation we were having. Definitely not worth 50 beans.

I think, then I think some more, then thought about it once again. I gave in & gave her 2 crisp ATM 20's & two 5's. I was frozen in time as she grabbed the money, told me she feels a connection, and walked away towards her place. I am in my car still trying to piece together all the events from the time I left my house to the time I dropped her off, and at what point could I have saved myself the trouble. Maybe because it was late, and it was my way of saying thank you to her for waiting this late for a M&G but in the back of her mind, she is thinking "that was way too easy, I can make a living off of this." I pull up at a service station to browse some ads so I could justify the trip and guess who walked to the store to get 2 red bulls? The gentleman in me was nice enough to give her a ride back to her place but $10 for some waffels $50 for her presence. I was better off at home eating some left overs. The amount may not seem much, but the feeling you get afterwards. Is never a good feeling.

FredMoore
08-30-13, 18:51
" We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place" Lori Truck.

I'm confused LT. The 1st thing out of your mouth in the post waffle experience should be "Do you prefer Motel 6 or 8?" When she says "I don't sleep with guys on the first date " you then say," Thanks for the interesting conversation, perhaps we can see each other again." She then asks "how about my sugar?" And you say " no sweets then no sugar " You get my drift? She played you nicely. You need to be direct and firm in your resolution to leave no motel unoccupied when you have a Baby in your car and money in your pocket. She wanted that money so you probably could have gotten her to give it up.

BTW, teeny boppers are fun to fuck but they are so skitzy. Be careful with them.

F Scott
08-30-13, 19:08
Lori,

You just had your first class in Sugar School, my friend. We all have taken Sugar 101, trust me, and some of us have paid far more than $60 for the privilege. Chalk it up to a lesson learned and move on, but don't let yourself get duped again. As I read the narrative, you had several opportunities to bail, but you went against your gut and proceeded anyway, hoping for a positive outcome. That rarely works, at least in my experience. Brother Fred offers good advice below as well, and really it seems like you just need to get some more field experience to polish your game. Remember, if the girl is a scammer and you are a newbie, she is already way more experienced than you are. You are a fish in a barrel, which is not a good thing.

Not to seem harsh, but it's best to put it behind you, learn what you can from it, and fix your gaze on the horizon. As has been said a million times, there are more babies being born every day.

Onward,

Scott

F Scott
08-30-13, 19:25
I think, then I think some more, then thought about it once again. I gave in & gave her 2 crisp ATM 20's & two 5's.Here was the Bailing Point.

Just sayin'

Scott

Marcus Weiner
08-30-13, 21:50
The late 30's blonde, I've been seeing for about 6 months. She's always full of surprises. Lately she likes to come up late night / early morning and climb into bed with me. Last time she was here I fucked her in the shower. First standing up then she bent over as I fucked her from behind. I'll usually get a text from her asking me to leave the back door open, so she doesn't wake me up until she has her lips wrapped around my cock. The other 3 I just started seeing, however it did take 6 months worth of text messages and e-mails to meet the tall Latina stripper. She has a funny personality, very nerdy and dorkish, but we really connect and end up in the strangest discussions. She has probably the best body out of them all. Flat stomach, double-D's, pretty face, lots of tattoo's and she's 5'10 with very long toned legs. She's very sexual and has a Hitachi vibrator, that's her best friend when I'm not there. She loves porn and masturbates at least 3 times a-day, oh and she's a squirter. Truly amazing.

The married Brazilian I've been seeing for about a month, and she comes over to see me once a-week in the morning, after she gets the kids off to school and before work. She's the most passionate woman I've ever fucked and almost blow a load just from our make-out sessions. The girl is incredible and knows what she's doing when she fucks me. I only bring this up because I've been with some women that I don't have a connection with and therefore have a hard time cumming. I bust a nut very easily every time we fuck without much work.

The last one, mixed Chinese and Russian is very sexy. A true spinner with B / C cups. She doesn't like to kiss and this is becoming a problem, but she is very tight and I always cum when I fuck her. I can't post pics, since I've had this shit come back to haunt me before on the Baltimore Non-Pro thread. You'll have to take my word that they're all very hot looking, I've had my share of canine babies contact me. Oh and to answer your question WYP stands for whatsyourprice dot com.

MW


Welcome brother. But I must say if you have that many nice babies in a rotation. Then maybe you should teach us a thing or two. Tell us some stores. How did you get the ones you got.

How are they long term? Any gotchas or pitfalls. We like to hear it all. Hell just look at some of mine. Right now you are looking like a real stud.

I personally never shell out money for M&G and if they are asking for that they may not be an amature. By the way what is CYP?

Revvo

HollywoodGuy
08-30-13, 22:34
You will get a smaller response if you heavily pre qualify. And even half the ones that say yes will flake prior to a meet. I always tell them very clearly that I don't pay to just hang out. And that to get the $ my dick has to be in play. I always say a HJ is cool knowing that 50% of the time or more, it will be more. And even if it is only a HJ, some making out, and a chance for me to feel the goods, its still a good way for me to introduce myself and see if there is any chemistry. Once a girl has seen you naked (or partially naked) she knows if she is going to want to have a second date (have sex with you) or not.

I don't really care for dinner dates as a first date, because until you actually are touching you don't know if there is any real chemistry or not. Kissing for me is an absolute (except with my roommate). I always tell them we are going to practice our kissing skills on the first date. Ask them if they are good kissers, and whats the oldest guy they have dated. Hopefully they tell me something under 30. If so I know they have an older guy fantasy. And I love to be the first guy to fulfill that.

LoriTruck
08-31-13, 08:29
" We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place" Lori Truck.

I'm confused LT. The 1st thing out of your mouth in the post waffle experience should be "Do you prefer Motel 6 or 8?" When she says "I don't sleep with guys on the first date " you then say," Thanks for the interesting conversation, perhaps we can see each other again." She then asks "how about my sugar?" And you say " no sweets then no sugar " You get my drift? She played you nicely. You need to be direct and firm in your resolution to leave no motel unoccupied when you have a Baby in your car and money in your pocket. She wanted that money so you probably could have gotten her to give it up.

BTW, teeny boppers are fun to fuck but they are so skitzy. Be careful with them.It's one of those situations were her reaction is unpredictable. She would probably refuse to get out of my car unless I paid her for her time. I didn't want to stir anything up. No telling, all it takes is a quick phone call to her roomies & my tires are slashed, or worse. I didn't want to leave anything to chance. Let's say she refuses to leave my car, & I refuse to compensate her, and I decide to pull off with her still in my car, then kidnapping & crazy things like such come into play, simply over $50. Watch the news, these things happen. Moving foward, if there is a second date, then being firm about which motel they prefer is a must. We try to be respectful and at times we are rewarded & the majority of the time, we are taken advantage of. She is young but not dumb, as she wore the look on her face that said " I got away easy without spreading. I spread some butter on my waffels but not my legs."

It's highly unlikey that she will initiate another text but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.

BikeRider
08-31-13, 10:46
It's highly unlikey that she will initiate another text but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.LT. I would pass on the re-test. She knows she has the upper-hand now, and getting her to the room may cause exactly the same problems you wanted to avoid. Even if you get her to agree before hand to go to a room, she's likely to manipulate things so she never gets there.

Find another candidate, and mark this one up as a learning experience. There are plenty of women in the bowl.

Note. This is why I've decided to generally avoid the teens unless the chat / txts / emails show some maturity.

Revvo
08-31-13, 10:50
LT. I would pass on the re-test. She knows she has the upper-hand now, and getting her to the room may cause exactly the same problems you wanted to avoid. Even if you get her to agree before hand to go to a room, she's likely to manipulate things so she never gets there.

Find another candidate, and mark this one up as a learning experience. There are plenty of women in the bowl.

Note. This is why I've decided to generally avoid the teens unless the chat / txts / emails show some maturity.I really like what BikeRider has to say here. When you are in a scarcity mentality you have a tendency to keep trying for something that is already lost. Move on and find another one.

She seems a little on the NANO1 side anyway. Even if you did get her it will probably be trouble down the road.

Revvo

HollywoodGuy
08-31-13, 14:17
but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.You are done with this one. Fuck the $50. What about the 4 hours of your time? And for what? To get flaked on. This is worse than flaking.

KingGreg
08-31-13, 15:22
I observed that many of my post get displayed after 4-5 hours or later. How does it work? For example if I post it at 1 PM, I have seen it getting posted at 6-7PM or later. Plus it doesn't popup infront of the queue, it goes to 1 PM post time. So. My post is behind others.

I don't mind posting it. But it is disappointing. Yesterday I posted 2 items and don't think any of you even noticed it.

New members are on moderation until they have 6 months and 25 posts without an infraction. None of their posts go live until I clear them. The reason for this should be obvious.

I generally moderate the forum at around noon and midnight Buenos Aires time. Once you are a Senior your posts go live pretty much immediately.

A2

KingGreg
08-31-13, 16:49
I observed that many of my post get displayed after 4-5 hours or later. How does it work? For example if I post it at 1 PM, I have seen it getting posted at 6-7PM or later. Plus it doesn't popup infront of the queue, it goes to 1 PM post time. So. My post is behind others.

I don't mind posting it. But it is disappointing. Yesterday I posted 2 items and don't think any of you even noticed it.

New members are on moderation until they have 6 months and 25 posts without an infraction. None of their posts go live until I clear them. The reason for this should be obvious.

I generally moderate the forum at around noon and midnight Buenos Aires time. Once you are a Senior your posts go live pretty much immediately.

A2Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate the hardwork and dedication. Keep up the goodwork.

HollywoodGuy
08-31-13, 18:56
This is a girl I met a year ago at a party. She let me know that there might be some opportunity to sugar it up. After a year, we still have only what I refer to as outercourse. I know for a fact she lives with her boyfriend and has not been with any other guys. I like her so I don't mind investing $ a month (one visit a month) to keep pursuing her.

Not my usual M. O. There are exceptions to every rule. And she is one of them. 25 year old. 7/9/9/8.

Today she admitted to not doing the best job. I told her not to worry, I'll teach her how to do it the way I like.

BuckHead44
08-31-13, 22:25
Looking for a SB for some fun. Kind of a spinner type! Anyone got some suggestions? Thanks

BikeRider
08-31-13, 23:00
Not my usual M. O. There are exceptions to every rule. And she is one of them. 25 year old. 7/9/9/8.Rules are made to be broken!

Revvo
09-01-13, 09:12
Looking for a SB for some fun. Kind of a spinner type! Anyone got some suggestions? ThanksRead the entire thread. And go get one.

Rob Taylor
09-01-13, 21:14
Back in the game, I finally got back in the game in a huge way. As you know the Chicago market is not as good as other metro areas, but I think I'm getting the hang of it. First day back on SA and a Black BBW as for 500 per meetand then a white smaller BBW ask for 300 per meet. I was ready up to give just to go back to POF, but I struggled and long be hold TuesdayI starting talking to a girl and just five minutes ago a 34 yr old former blonde Maxim model and contestant on the bachelor just left my apartment, after being railed on my couch doggy style for about 3 hrs. Sex was average, but her hotness made up for it. If you include her dinners and drinks.

The damage was about $$$$ plus 50 mind you this in Chicago where average to below average white chick can get 300 per meet easy. So I really hit the jackpot here. She wasnt too happy about the price, but I caught her in a jam she has to pay her Benz car note, but has trip planned to Vegas next weekend. I am fairly certain this is her first online encounter due to the nervousness over the phone and text though she has had mostly rich boyfriends and a fling with Steve Kerr.

And I broke one of my rules. I never message girls asking for 3-5k, but I did this time and used the art of negotiation, and bam hit a grand slam. I'm still in awe I barely can type. I'm still going try that WYP site though I'm afraid that site might attract more pro's. I need to find some budget babies in case this one starts flaking once she gets back from Vegas or wants more money. This was my first experience with an super hot older woman.

BigTigger
09-02-13, 11:29
MW welcome brother, it's good to see you her on this board. This board is a lot less drama than the other board we are on together. Enjoy the ride and keep reporting!

Rob, thanks for the info, I see now that I want not parts of SBs in Chicago, lol.

Looks like my AF time is getting ready to pay off. I have a few lined up for M&Gs soon. I'll keep you updated. One very nice feature is their Q&A section. I just started reading the Q&A from the POTs. One of the questions is "Would you have sex on the first date?". For those of us who are not quite as smooth to ensure first date success, this is a great help. Although I've had lots of success, my first date Tiggabounce rate pales in comparison to my second date success. So now it's the first answer I look for, hoping they answered it.

BigTigg

BigTigger
09-02-13, 11:53
I wish you the best with your new decision. Your input has been invaluable and I've always appreciated your wisdom and candor.

BT.


Thanks guys for your kind words. I'll be reading your stories with eager anticipation. The answer to your quick question Revvo is anything but quick. LOL.

The" formula " for each one of us depends on our age, looks, charm, and sugar offer. Some of you come in with impossibly cheap (or free) babies and others spend a fortune. I am in the middle. I am lucky to have everything in the plus column except age, so I feel that I need to pay a little more to compete in the market I like, The 20s. I am 60ish, look 48 to 52 but still waaay too old for a 22 yr old to feel like I could possibly be an IRL candidate. Some of you are 30 to 40 and 20 somethings can see you as a potential lover rather than a daddy. Therefore they might be willing to date you for gas money or a nice meal. I'm a sugar grand daddy (SGD).

Ratings : (only make offers to the best)

Are totally personal, so my 10 might be your 8. But I do set pretty high standards. I only contact girls who are 8+ in the looks dept to begin with. I require a firm toned body and a pretty face, so right off the bat I have an 8to10/8to10/? . Occasionally the pics might be 5 yrs old and 20 Lbs lighter and if I am in a dry spell I will try them out, but will not keep them in the rotation. Attitude counts for a huge amount and can skew your impression of looks by virtue of her presentation. Finally, skills do not matter to me if looks and attitude are right. Plain vanilla fucking is still a hell of a lot of fun with an inexperienced girl who is eager and enthusiastic.

Location is key:

I believe you need to be in or near a large metro area with multiple colleges nearby. Central Va is ideal because Richmond is only 60 to 90 minutes away from DC, NOVA, and Tidewater. There is a huge military presence in Tidewater and my last 2 SBs were both military. Without counting there are over 10 colleges within 90 miles of Richmond. That represents a lot of HCBs who are broke and know about the Sugar world. You must stay at least 60 miles away from your home base if you have a SO. This allows you to date in the open more easily and hopefully not get spotted.

Sugar :

Last but not least. I pay $$.5 sometimes including Notel. If I pay for a Notel I add another $50. The total damage is $$$ plus entertainment. I usually take my baby out to dinner for an extra $ 50 to 75. The last Baby to scam me took $$.5 that I prepaid after seeing her for 5 or 6 times before that, but she didn't require food since she ate earlier with her kid, so in the end I saved a lot.

Perhaps I don't bargain hard enough but I feel that the price is fair if service is great.

Bottom line, if you are having a hard time attracting quality Babies 1) expand your search area to include a market I described above. 2) Polish your game by studying the "book" we all wrote. 3) set your standards higher, and 3) up your Sugar amount. You might not be as cute as Big Tigg or have game like F Scott and Hollywood. (Many of you are superstars, I don't mean to leave anyone out)

BigTigger
09-02-13, 12:08
MsCoolSlim. Easily one of the prettiest is excited about meeting on Wed. We have exchanged a few emails since we set the date. I'm not 100% sure how long it's going to take for the Tiggabounce, I know she's been a bit skittish about the whole online thing. I do know, she's not had sex in over a year and she just started dating again. So I'm going to put a full court press on her for the next week and try to close this deal. Wed, I'll pay for the meal and give her. 50 for gas. I'll then set up another date, movie, dinner. And do much more flirting and hopefully get in some good kissing, I'll give her another. 50. Then setup the third date as a dinner date with the hotel option.

FYI: I've started a new approach to getting to the Tiggabounce faster. It's new to me, but many others have used it a lot. When planning the dinner date I ask,"is it ok to have dinner at a really nice hotel restaurant and we can decide by the end of dinner to move the fun to a room?" This has worked for me more often than not. It also quickly let's you know where here mind is at. I'll do that with MsSlimCool on date #3.

I have a date with MsPreLaw (22 years old) on Wed night and hit her with almost that exact question. She was all for it. This one is willing to take $ per meet, whenever I'm free.

The 21 year old AA spinner and I are meeting tomorrow night at a nice hotel restaurant with option of a room. I'm going to have to call her, MsNSASpinner as she does not communicate much and seems to really be into the NSA, let's just plan and do it, no need for a bunch of talk in between, LOL. I still think she might be semi-pro, but I'm still sticking to our financial agreement regardless, LOL.

Another hit from AF. 25 year old AA. 5'1 with small be-cups, but nice bottom. She has the exact same body as my ATF that I'm seeing. Except she's much closer, available more and younger. She has a job and is only looking for a little extra. She's agreed to $ per meet also (I presented it as twice a week $800 per month). We are going to have an impromptu M&G today. Something simple, probably about an hour and I'll give her gas money. I expect that by first real date, we'll be having the Tiggabounce!

Keep up the good work guys and by all means report back.

BigTigg

HollywoodGuy
09-02-13, 12:52
So I have had my new profile on SD4M for about 8 days and have just sat there to see who responds. I got about 80 messages of which about 10 were real and maybe 3 were interesting. I have narrowed it down to 1 that I am messaging.

I only post this for the new guys. You can pretty much disregard the first full week or two of unsolicited responses as they are mostly BS. I intentionally made the focus of the ad very narrow so as to appeal to the least number of girls possible. I put a code word in the profile and ask them to message me with the code word in the subject line, which about 10% to 20% have done.

I will probably only keep it up there for 2 months and then try another one. I will keep my old profile up and continue to target only brand new girls (as in it's their first day on the site) that are 18 to 20 unless they are true spinner materiel in which case I guess they could be any age.

Rob Taylor
09-02-13, 14:47
MW welcome brother, it's good to see you her on this board. This board is a lot less drama than the other board we are on together. Enjoy the ride and keep reporting!

Rob, thanks for the info, I see now that I want not parts of SBs in Chicago, LOL.

Looks like my AF time is getting ready to pay off. I have a few lined up for M&Gs soon. I'll keep you updated. One very nice feature is their Q&A section. I just started reading the Q&A from the POTs. One of the questions is "Would you have sex on the first date?". For those of us who are not quite as smooth to ensure first date success, this is a great help. Although I've had lots of success, my first date Tiggabounce rate pales in comparison to my second date success. So now it's the first answer I look for, hoping they answered it.

BigTiggOne thing I will say is that the girl who waits for the second meeting tend to be more normal and stable then girls who do it on the 1st date. I have had some 1st date girls who were for the most part cool, but the econd date girls seem like better long term material and less weird and skittish. Also if a girl waits to the second date you can be sure that she is not a pro, non pro, or UTR in disguise as a SB. UTR' would not go through that much time and effort.

HollywoodGuy
09-02-13, 22:08
It seems like there is a lot of awesome sex going on in the SB world, as it should be. It's apparent to anyone that has been doing this for a while that the supply of pussy far exceeds the amount of available dick. Yours included. For those of you that have an SO. How many times a month do you hit that? I am single and do not have nearly enough dick to supply the girls I see and always have to make excuses why I can't see them more often. Even if you know they know you play around, you can't really say that. Sometimes I will do 2 in a day (just like when I was married and had no choice).

So is it that your SO just has very minimal needs in which case it may not come up too often? Or is more of just wanting some variety? I was married twice and I do remember dry spells. But if all of a sudden my SO wanted it and I didn't deliver, that would have been a giant red flag. She considered me some kind of sex fiend and sex fiends don't turn down sex. So do you guys just fuck till you are numb (my problem today, which is what brought all this to mind) or do you find a balance or what? I know I have a hard (or not so hard time. LOL. As the case may be) in scheduling all this shit in.

This is a quality problem, but a problem all the same. For guys that do SW's and escorts this is no big deal which is one reason I think they prefer them. But your SB's are counting on sugar from a very limited number of guys or maybe just you. I know I have paid for skipped dates at times just to keep the piece / peace. And the only reason I skip a date is that I am just sexed out.

An SB can be controlled with money and dick (and even then not always)(if that persists at least you can boot 'em) , but an SO needs more than that. You probably didnt get hooked up just for pussy, it was the total package. And they are not going to be mollified just by buying them something. I once bought my wife a new car (the one she picked out) and didn't get laid that night.

Walruscl
09-03-13, 00:07
One thing I will say is that the girl who waits for the second meeting tend to be more normal and stable then girls who do it on the 1st date. I have had some 1st date girls who were for the most part cool, but the econd date girls seem like better long term material and less weird and skittish. Also if a girl waits to the second date you can be sure that she is not a pro, non pro, or UTR in disguise as a SB. UTR' would not go through that much time and effort.My counterpoint in my (admittedly limited) career as a SD is that "it depends". My SB / mistress waited until the first time after the M&G, and biology dictated that I receive only. Messed-up childhood aside, she's very normal, sweet, and kind. So that lines up with your maxim.

On the flip side, I was ensnared by a UTR, who also waited until the 2nd meeting. Although she was pushing pretty hard by then (apparently I didn't move her threat-meter very much) and knew exactly what she was doing in terms of getting us into a FC so she could do me once, take the money, and do a quick exit. Live and learn, but waiting until the 2nd date definitely does not exclude Pros or UTRs.

FredMoore
09-03-13, 10:40
Who would have thunk? Is there such a thing as too much pussy?

We each have our biologic limit as far as ability to orgasm, get an erection, etc. Variety is definitely the key to maxing out your OPW (Orgasm Per Week) capability. I found that 3 days in a row with the same girl makes it hard to orgasm the 3rd day, but three different girls are usually no problem. I have never had 4 different women in 4 days straight so that remains a goal if I reenter the Sugar world at some point. I am not one of the lucky guys who can pop multiple times / session. But that one pop is worth the price of admission.

The thing about SO sex, after decades it gets boring and to top it all off women in menopause lose their interest in sex. I have talked to many older women who tell me that they would be happy never having it again and only do so to keep their man off their back (or actually on their backs LOL ). Think about the biology of it. Sex is designed to make reproduction a fun thing so that we will do it a lot, go forth and populate the Earth. Men spread their seed and women have and nurture the offspring. When childbearing is no longer possible there is no more need for sex from a repro POV. Many husbands in long term marriages or relationships seek out sex partners to fill that void ++ hence Sugar World. A common thread here is that we "love our SO ", but ++++

SOs want emotional and physical gratification, SBs want sex and $$. My most recent ATF# 4 is the only one I've been with who I feel needs servicing on a regular basis and will miss my Dick. But she (and I) knows that there are replacements around the corner.

BigTigger
09-03-13, 10:42
So my M&G with the spinner with the body of my ATF, let's call her MsLilMama, was initially cancelled then the venue changed. We talked on the phone for about 45 minutes then about an hour before the date she could not find a sitter. So she invited me by after the baby was asleep. Now this is our first meeting, so I did not want to spook her or disrespect that fact she was letting me come to her place. At the same time I wanted to be prepared, because she came across as very down to earth and easy going.

So I asked if I could bring dinner, even though it was late, didn't want to show up with just a hard-on. I found a nice Thai spot, sent her the link, she picked her meal and I picked it up on the way there. She mentioned that she had a bottle of some alcoholic beverage, so I could just get something to drink for myself. With that information, I decided I'd better get condoms and some sugar.

She was laid back, easy to look at and very comfortable. She opened the door with some black yoga pants (wow she has a nice butt for a small girl) and a simple blouse. Her 34Cs were very accentuated. Lo and behold the food was good and very spicy, but it paled in comparison to the rest of the evening.

So we ate on the couch watching TV, after I finished I asked if I could move over and sit beside her (I asked and moved at the same time). From that point, she made it a point to touch and semi-snuggle. Eventually we talked more about the relationship and things we could do. So finally I positioned myself in front of her on the couch and said, I guess there isn't much else to say and started kissing her right there on the couch.

Before you know it we are into some heavy making out and I have boobs in my mouth and things are moving along well. With the kid sleep in the bedroom, I wasn't quite sure how far she wanted to go, but her body language was 100% full speed ahead. At some point I positioned her on my lap and she started grinding and moaning. I began to move her shirt up to kiss on her stomach and she raised her hands. So I quickly caught the hint and took off the shirt and bra. I then instructed her to take off my shirt, she liked being told what to do. After a few more minutes of bare-chest to boob making out. It was time.

I flipped her over, laid her on the couch, put her hands in my pants, and took off her yoga pants. I then started a slow round of oral on her. Man she was tasty! I had to go slow because I still had on my pants and I was on the floor while she was on the couch. So I had to keep licking her while getting my pants off, getting the condom box out of my pants pocket, getting the condom out the box, getting the condom out the wrapper and getting the condom on. I did not want to lose momentum and I wanted to be as smooth as possible. Eventually I was able to accomplish all of this. By this time she was getting close. So I upped the intensity of the licking and right as she started to orgasm I put it in, this almost sent her through the roof. She was trying to be quiet, but some of the noises she just could not help.

Multiple positions, one more orgasm for her and one for me and we were both sweaty and spent. We laid on the couch wrapped in each others arms for some afterglow. I eventually cleaned up and headed home. She had lots of nice things to say and was impressed that she had 2 orgasms. She told me, she didn't know she could have two, just had just told me earlier that day that she was the one and done type. I gave her the agreed upon $ and we texted while I drove home.

We have talked this morning and exchanged texts and emails. I talked about the first date thing. She was like, look we know what this is, why play games. She was very attracted to me and I could tell by her body language that she wanted it badly. Afterwards she said "that is exactly what I needed".

This girl is a keeper 8/9/10/9

Her body is like this, with just a little bigger butt and hips

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=272207

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=272206

F Scott
09-03-13, 11:30
Back in the game, I finally got back in the game in a huge way. As you know the Chicago market is not as good as other metro areas, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.Hey Rob,

I'm fishing in the Chicago pool as well, for the past 4 years, and have had great success! Maybe you need to polish your text a bit, or your initial / follow up techniques?

Keep at it, and let me know if you want to share approaches / leads. PM me with your email address. ChiGuy606 on this thread is also here, and we have each others backs. It's a beautiful thing!

Scott

WoodSlinger
09-03-13, 19:02
Hi yall come see me private shows 50 BJ 100 every thing body rubs much more 5023560975 I am 100 real. No drugs games I never turn a client away. And I am lots of fun to be with I am single as well so what you waiteing for make that call xxo.Nooooo Make it go away!

Rob Taylor
09-03-13, 22:16
Hey Rob,

I'm fishing in the Chicago pool as well, for the past 4 years, and have had great success! Maybe you need to Polish your text a bit, or your initial / follow up techniques?

Keep at it, and let me know if you want to share approaches / leads. PM me with your email address. ChiGuy606 on this thread is also here, and we have each others backs. It's a beautiful thing!

ScottNot too say you can't get laid in Chicago. But if you look at the prices vs quality compared to other cities. Chicago is lacking. You can get a super hott close to model like chick (white girl) in LA for like 300. In Chicago your shelling out about 300-500 for a normal looking White chick, and 4$-6$ for a super hott one. New York has high prices like Chicago, but the woman are better looking, so you get more value. Its not that there is not talent, but you just don't get as much bang for your buck. This is my observation from sampling different markets and reading reports on the forum and comparing prices. Chicago's problem is that there is really no centrally located area of white girls who need help, most girls who live in Lakeview or River North don't need an SD. The market is tight this also enable non white SB's to raise prices. I have no problem getting laid on the SD scene, just railed a former model at my house over the weekend. I'm just saying in other cities I could have done samething without as much as a beating on my wallet.

Smokarz_XO
09-04-13, 00:20
I know this is not a very common occurrence, but some of you have SB referral from an existing SB.

This is a first for me, so it's a little intriguing.

I've met this 23 yr old AA SB last week. We only dated once at the FC. I've tried to squeeze in another date before her move out of town, but I couldn't because of work and her getting ready for the move. She needed a little $ for her move, and that's why we met and we have a few attempts that failed because she was kind of cold feeted. Our meeting almost didn't happen, but I convinced her while being funny at the same time and she bought into it. She was a really nice and sweet girl, though inexperienced.

Anyway, a few days after her move I've followed up and txt her just to check in and see how things go, yeah I am a gentleman (a horny one. LOL). So we exchanged a few txt messages and she mentioned that her friend might want to meet me, so I say sure why not but I asked if her friend was as pretty as her, jokingly of course. So she called her friend and gave her my number. Shortly after, I received a msg with from her friend and we exchanged txts throughout the day, then some pics etc. She's also 23yr AA, but much slimmer and a former amateur model. She's got a 1yrd kid, and the baby's dad is out of the picture so she needs a little financial support. Found out she's been on the SD4M site a few months, and found nothing a few fakes.

I think she got the body that Hollywood might agree with. 5'4 and probably way less than 105lbs according to her pics. I am trying to set up a date with her this week, probably straight to the FC as I always do. I usually tell them that I am married and need to be discreet, so we need to meet at a hotel. I'll bring drinks, we'll chat and get to know each other and just see how it goes. But usually, it ends up with POF, with the only exception being the mini Byonce girl that I've reported earlier.

LikeMike1963
09-04-13, 09:44
Play nice. Many people have varied tastes and she's just trying to make a living.


Nooooo Make it go away!

Marcus Weiner
09-04-13, 12:41
Thanks for the welcome and yes, there's much more discussion on this thread and doesn't seem to be as much drama as the Baltimore Non-Pro thread. I've had the pleasure of meeting another SB, and hopefully she will become part of the rotation. 29 year-old single mom about 5'5 with a body to die for. Very passionate and loves to fuck the Weinerman the way he likes it! She's not a WYP girl or SA, she contacted me on an old "Financial assistance" ad from BP that I didn't know was still up. My late 30's blonde was supposed to come up last night but flaked on me. She just texted me and said she has a terrible migraine. I may see my tall Latina dancer tonight if she's not working and I don't get confirmation from the married Brazilian MILF for tomorrow morning. Saturday night the Chinese / Russian girl is coming up to spend the night.


MW welcome brother, it's good to see you her on this board. This board is a lot less drama than the other board we are on together. Enjoy the ride and keep reporting!

Rob, thanks for the info, I see now that I want not parts of SBs in Chicago, LOL.

Looks like my AF time is getting ready to pay off. I have a few lined up for M&Gs soon. I'll keep you updated. One very nice feature is their Q&A section. I just started reading the Q&A from the POTs. One of the questions is "Would you have sex on the first date?". For those of us who are not quite as smooth to ensure first date success, this is a great help. Although I've had lots of success, my first date Tiggabounce rate pales in comparison to my second date success. So now it's the first answer I look for, hoping they answered it.

BigTigg

F Scott
09-04-13, 14:21
Play nice. Many people have varied tastes and she's just trying to make a living.Is this the right place for her to advertise? It will be permanently in the Clubhouse Journal now, unless Jackson removes it for us?

Scott

WoodSlinger
09-04-13, 14:57
Is this the right place for her to advertise? It will be permanently in the Clubhouse Journal now, unless Jackson removes it for us?

ScottI imagine she just made a mistake. But holy hell talk about the wrong place! A mature woman, posting in a place where the men are talking about banging young 18. 25 year old hotties? Someone should just move it to the Escorts category or whatever.

MetalHead6363
09-04-13, 16:52
Play nice. Many people have varied tastes and she's just trying to make a living.Hell, at this time, I'd tap it.

F Scott
09-04-13, 18:51
I imagine she just made a mistake. But holy hell talk about the wrong place! A mature woman, posting in a place where the men are talking about banging young 18. 25 year old hotties? Someone should just move it to the Escorts category or whatever.Thankfully, someone else realized the insane irony of the situation, and the Journal is clean! Talk about barking up the wrong tree!

Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday weekend. My Country Baby disappeared on me, sadly. She is so beautiful, but also so incredibly flaky. As you all know, I like the artistic, creative types, but I also acknowledge that unreliability comes with the species. It helps to keep me fluid, I guess, but honestly I was so looking forward to fucking her. She is gorgeous, and Scottie was longing for her in a most unbecoming way.

Oh well, as my grandmother used to say, girls are like streetcars, there's another one along every five minutes. Wait, she wasn't referring to SBs, come to think of it, but the advice is still just as valid!

These next few weeks will be quiet for me, I'm afraid. My new ATF leaves for NYC permanently on Monday, my Skittish Baby has dived underground again, apparently, and my former ATF has decided that the lesbian life is just what her doctor ordered after all, I guess. This leaves me with just my little AA spinner, which is no kind of punishment whatsoever, but I normally like to keep two babies in rotation at a minimum, since scheduling is often tricky for me. An opportunity to replenish the sugar bowl is how I'm looking at it.

In the meantime, I look forward to reading about all your all exploits. It is a uniquely literate thread, isn't it?

Tally ho,

Scott

Revvo
09-04-13, 19:59
Things are starting to stabilize and this is very good. Less and less work and more calm. Confidence is increasing even with some of the failures as well as some nice victories. Less expense and less work. This is important. Because the candle will burn out. There is still quite a bit of activity as things progress.

REVVO_ATF: I did hear from her on Monday about getting together this week. But I am already booked and just do not have the time. Besides I am going to probably slowly ease her out. Good girl. Probably the prettiest in the bunch and likes sex but not as fun as the others. Been with me a long time. Maybe we will work something out in the future.

REVVO_POT1: So as the last report said she went dark the day of our second date. Not sure why. All systems were definitely go but I think many of these 'normal' women just can't make the leap to P4P. Anyway I still try to contact her and try to rekindle but chances are extremely slim. Besides she is an 8/9/8? I can't just give up on that. But she is coming off the list for now.

REVVO_POT3: So is was another one that just went dark. Once again I never thought this one would back out. Her expressed desire to be with me was so strong. So when she went dark I was baffled. So having nothing to lose and with plenty of backups I proceeded as if nothing happened. Still texting and calling and sure enough 5 days later she contacts me willing to talk as if nothing happened. However I did notice a little less enthusiastic but very willing. We are now scheduled for a date for Thursday evening. She has given me her address which shows she is committed. But we shall see. But she is a 5'7' white blond gorgeous blue eyes, and a rockin body that she works out every day. She is rated at a 7/8/9? So my hopes are high. She lives in another city that I travel to frequently. So she could be a real keeper. These babies always surprise.

REVVO_POT5: This is an interesting one. But I'm not going to fight too hard for this one. She is busy and I am fully booked so I will slow roll this. But man what a body. I can give her some space for now. May not go anywhere. We shall see. When I asked for more pics she send me some really nice R rated photos that looked very good. I just am not sure once again how ready she is for an actual meeting. Not holding my breath as usual.

REVVO_SB1: No news here she is patiently waiting been weeks and may be more. Just don't have the time or money. Completely back burner.

REVVO_SB2: This is one that I really like. She is a cute little brazillian princess and she is such a good fuck. She was out of town last week and we cannot schedule a meet this week. But she is literally trying to switch shifts at her bartending job to meet me on Friday. No word yet. She is not the most beautiful of the bunch but cute and very sexy body. She is a 7/8/10/10 but she has that quality that I just love a combination of sexiness / passion / femininity / and so ready to fuck. And she cums so hard and completely that she is immobilized for a minute or so. What a combination. Oh and the best blow jobs. Another keeper.

REVVO_SB3: My little AA Morrocan has contacted me a couple of times but I cannot squeeze her in. She does not float my boat anyway. Maybe sometime in the future.

REVVO_SB4: So I fucked my little Colombian coconut on Tuesday. She was good to go and the sex was amazing. Lots of orgasms, fucking and once again sleeping in each others arms to a thunderstorm. Yes it has been raining a lot down here in FLa. I am doing her about once a month now and she seems fine with it. No pressure or trouble.

REVVO_SB5: No activity with my little euro baby. She is patient and waiting for me to return. I honestly cannot squeeze them all in. I am going to have to continue to cull them out. I certainly have the quantity if not the quality of some of the brothers in the clubhouse. Maybe next week but not sure.

REVVO_SB6: This is my cute little girl next door. White 23 YO 5'2' very sexy body spinner material, dark eyes and very sexual. Cums very easily and maybe the tightest pussy I have ever fucked. I have to put it in slow or she going to be hurt. But once we start going she is all over my dick. I give her a 8/9/8/8 and getting better. Good communicator. Someone I can really spend time with. We have a lot of the same interests and she is very mature. Fucked her today and spent the afternoon together and it was great. She is starting to get more and more fond of me and it is only getting better. She looks so good standing naked in front of me with that flat stomach and those sexy legs with that gap between them. We used to call them sunset legs.

That's the supplemental. More to come. I am culling it down still and I am still out on the SD site. Membership has expired just working on what I have and it is a lot. I think my ideal would be SB6 as a regular once a week and for fun stuff outside the bedroom. SB2 as a regular since she is so much fun also and I never have to pay her just gifts and hotel room. And POT3 as a third SB and great to visit in other city. So when traveling on business no hotel or food costs, just sugar. Then maybe SB4 as a good backup / booty call baby since she is very business like. The other SB's I think would be hurt if I neglect them too much. Just dreaming. It is very hard to plan how this will turn out. But I like the calm of scaling this down. But I have more scaling down to go.

Be careful out there.

REVVO

HollywoodGuy
09-04-13, 23:06
I feel like I am falling behind. No new girls to speak of. I keep going after the absolute non pros and very young. Very difficult. Txted a UTR girl out of desperation today. One problem with being spoiled is that good is just not good enough. Also its harder to enjoy with my biz being so slow. I do enjoy reading everyones updates. Lurkers please contribute. Your anonymity is secure on this site.

WoodSlinger
09-04-13, 23:46
I feel like I am falling behind. No new girls to speak of. I keep going after the absolute non pros and very young. Very difficult. Txted a UTR girl out of desperation today. One problem with being spoiled is that good is just not good enough. Also its harder to enjoy with my biz being so slow. I do enjoy reading everyones updates. Lurkers please contribute. Your anonymity is secure on this site.I read this and thought, that's me. Summer time is slow, and my work load is starting to increase as the year comes to a close. Time to dip the toes in the proverbial sugar pool for some more fun.

HollywoodGuy
09-05-13, 02:01
I read this and thought, that's me. Summer time is slow, and my work load is starting to increase as the year comes to a close. Time to dip the toes in the proverbial sugar pool for some more fun.And my little stripper SB is so straight. She works with all these hot girls. Be she is not into girls or sharing me with her co-workers. And I am sure the ones that would want way more than I can spend. I never really got a referral SB before.

Revvo
09-05-13, 07:38
I feel like I am falling behind. No new girls to speak of. I keep going after the absolute non pros and very young. Very difficult. Txted a UTR girl out of desperation today. One problem with being spoiled is that good is just not good enough. Also its harder to enjoy with my biz being so slow. I do enjoy reading everyones updates. Lurkers please contribute. Your anonymity is secure on this site.No need to worry brother. You got it good. You are not falling behind. You just are in a good place enjoying where you are at.

Getting off the hamster wheel is much better. Look at me a victim of my own excess. Recognizing what you have is half the battle.

Revvo

Magic Rat
09-05-13, 08:50
Sorry I haven't been able to contribute much to the clubhouse recently, but I do get a great kick out of reading my fellow travelers' exploits.

I thought I might throw a reminder out there that there are different ways and methods of getting to the same place, which is in the FC with POTF (how's that for 2 acronyms in the same sentence?) I have been seeing a late 30's MILF that I met from placing a Craigslist ad a few months ago. She is really into me and the sex is unbelievable plus the price is right. As in lunch and beers only! I am also having a second meeting today with a much younger MILF stripper that I initially met a couple weeks ago, who didn't seem opposed at all to the idea of meeting up in another, more private location than the strip club. Pricing seems to be in line with reasonable Babies so I do have my hopes up slightly for this one. Of course, we all know how fickle these Babies can be. I have to travel for deeper fishing waters as there appears to be an outbreak of GPS in the local ponds. As I've been quoted $500-$1, 000! Even a 40ish, overweight hippy gal quoted me $300, and that was only for an hour!

On a sadder note, my on again off again ATF of 2+ years is apparently off again for good. Of course I have thought that before and then she will contact me out of the blue as if nothing has happened. I have finally got to the point of not stressing over it for the most part. If I see her, I see her. If not, my world will not end. To steal a line from my good friend Scott, I could have ruined my life for her I believe. We had a really strong connection.

Lastly, I have to give props to Revvo, who is an old online buddy from a stripper site. We both used to fancy the stripper world and the possibilities there. It appears Revvo has been converted to the Sugar world and seems to be doing quite well. Good for you my man! Obviously I haven't been able to wean myself from that dark place, but I keep trying! Could it have something to do with the local GPS Baby world?

Keep at it my fellow travelers, and keep those reports coming!

FredMoore
09-05-13, 11:12
My current ATF (#4) I will keep in touch with her even though I am "retiring". She is actually a retired dancer from another life and world and amazingly is not GPS, but very reasonable, low key,and appreciative. In her day she made $2000 / night and I believe it since she was in a hot market and is super talented in looks and personality. She is a 10 across the board and I am loathe to give her up. She can get any guy she wants and the only limit is how much sex and extra funds she needs. She seems to have enough money to sustain herself with the basics. And I feel that we have a connection together, or at least she makes me feel that way. I certainly don't want to be in a conga line but I think she will tell me if she has other guys in her life. She is straight forward like that.

I am still perusing the Boards even though I am not prospecting any more. I am back in the homestead and the warden is on top of things pretty regularly. I think traveling sales is the job to have for optimal married Sugar dating.

Revvo
09-05-13, 14:42
Lastly, I have to give props to Revvo, who is an old online buddy from a stripper site. We both used to fancy the stripper world and the possibilities there. It appears Revvo has been converted to the Sugar world and seems to be doing quite well. Good for you my man! Obviously I haven't been able to wean myself from that dark place, but I keep trying! Could it have something to do with the local GPS Baby world?Thanks brother Rat. It is you that turned me on to this mystical, magical, confusing world of the Sugar Bowl. And for that I do appreciate it. Yes I was deep into the dark recesses of the Stripper world and spending much much money for risky and very inconsistent encounters with mostly beautiful but crazy women.

The sugar bowl much more suits me. But I still need to be careful. This has led me down the path of the most growth in my life in the last 25 years. Not so sure I have not traded one insanity for another though. I think I am making progress into a more stable path. I have let my SD membership expire and I do not go on any SD sites anymore. And I am activley culling my POTs and SBs down to a manageable level. I guess that is progress.

Thanks again.

Revvo

Marcus Weiner
09-05-13, 15:45
It seems like I may be losing one of my regular girls in the rotation. SB 1, my tall blonde in her late 30's. She is my ATF, but has a tendency to be kind of flaky. She will text me at 9pm and tell me she's coming over, but after an hour goes by (her distance to me) and nothing, my text messages yield nothing. Then, all of a sudden, after I'm in bed at 2 or 3am, she'll say she's almost there. It's happened the last couple of times we've hooked up, and is kind of fun, since she'll just ask me to leave the back door open and will slip into bed naked with me. We end up fucking until my alarm goes off at 6:30 for work, but then I'm a zombie all day. Night before last, she was supposed to come up and totally flaked on me. I kept waking up expecting a text or for her to just come in through the back door, but nothing. The next day she apologized and said she had a migraine. Then last evening she sends me a text that she wants to see me. Now since I had already scheduled time with SB 3, the Brazilian married MILF for this morning, I told her that I wasn't feeling well and we'd have to reschedule. What began as concern for my feigned illness, alluded to attitude and disbelief.

I am a terrible liar, but I don't need SB drama and I don't want my SB's knowing that there are four or five others that are competing for my time, affection, and mostly sugar! Consequently, SB 3 is now my ATF. She has admitted that she has another SD that pays her much more than me, but is becoming quite possessive. He pays five times as much as me, but there's something to be said for being compassionate, understanding, and sexually compatible. I asked SB 3 about taking pics of her while we were fucking and her eyes got real big and said,"Can we?" How in the world can I not indulge her? So as I was fucking SB 3, SB 2 the tall Latina dancer sends me a text and says that she has the night off from work and can I come over. Jeez, just no rest for the weary. I had to tell her that I needed a rain check and hopefully Sunday or Monday we can hook up.

Lastly SB 4 the Russian/Chinese student is also a strong candidate for the waiver wire or injured reserve, sports fans. She cannot host and is a 30 to 40 min drive from me. She usually spends the night with me and is very low maintenance, pizza, beer, a PPV movie and off to the bedroom. It's not just the drive, but she is not into kissing, and although her BBBJ's and tight pussy weigh heavily upon me, I believe that this will be our Last Tango in Paris. I'm hoping that I can get SB 1 to be more responsible, with respect to my time. She always has an excuse, from flat tires to running out of gas, but as my money gets tighter, I may have to cut her loose too. I want to post pics of my SB's but as Tigger will attest to, in Baltimore, I lost more than I gained as some of the girls were alerted to, or just simply found out on their own that I had posted their pics.

MW

BikeRider
09-05-13, 18:36
I haven't posted an update for a while. Why is it work needs are directly correlated with SB POTS?

Over the last few months, my bench has had significant disruptions. Pretty much everyone from my June update is gone or on a long break. I'm on my way to a Skittles all-american team now though!

Here's the current situation:

POTS.

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Latina spinner 27. 7/8/9?. She sounds just like Gloria from Modern Family. She doesn't have the curves, but she's a nice package. She has a good job, and her own apartment. She just wants to enjoy nice dinners, and vacations with someone. We've had lunch, and have a date planned for next week.

AA stripper 24. 9/10/8?. I tend to stay away from strippers. But, she seems normal and grounded. She's happy with under $1k / mo and she can host 1-2 week. Going to the FC tomorrow at her place.

East Indian Grad student 24. 7/8?. Just talking now, but she just wants some passion and attention.

AA student 19. 10/10/10?. Former gymnast and currently a college cheerleader (confirmed on school web page). She's a plane ride away from DC, but her class schedule and mine will enable weekly meetings. She's happy with less than $1k / mo also. Her limberness alone is grounds to make her an ATF. Meeting in two weeks.

Rotation.

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Korean nerd. 8/8/9/10. I met her on AFF about 5 years ago when I lived on the west coast and was single. She reconnected with me about a month ago, and is moving to DC. She's the most drama free woman I've known. A great little shag.

AA staffer. 10/10/8/8. Haven't seen her much due to both of our schedules. Even when her boss is out of town, the woman can't stop working.

KAL. 10/9/8/8. My Korean American princess (gyopo for those of you that can sling hangul) has been nothing but drama. Thank god she doesn't fly the IAD route. I've known her since before my current warden, and her current drama reminds me why I didn't marry her. She's on the injured reserve.

Retired.

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My native american accountant MILF informed me she was retiring from extra-curricular activities this summer. A true loss.

The banker has become a chat-bot. She only pops onto chat now and then, and doesn't have time to meet.

F Scott
09-05-13, 18:44
It seems like I may be losing one of my regular girls in the rotation. SB 1, my tall blonde in her late 30's. She is my ATF, but has a tendency to be kind of flaky. She will text me at 9pm and tell me she's coming over, but after an hour goes by (her distance to me) and nothing, my text messages yield nothing. Then, all of a sudden, after I'm in bed at 2 or 3am, she'll say she's almost there. It's happened the last couple of times we've hooked up, and is kind of fun, since she'll just ask me to leave the back door open and will slip into bed naked with me. We end up fucking until my alarm goes off at 6:30 for work, but then I'm a zombie all day. Night before last, she was supposed to come up and totally flaked on me. I kept waking up expecting a text or for her to just come in through the back door, but nothing. The next day she apologized and said she had a migraine. Then last evening she sends me a text that she wants to see me. Now since I had already scheduled time with SB 3, the Brazilian married MILF for this morning, I told her that I wasn't feeling well and we'd have to reschedule. What began as concern for my feigned illness, alluded to attitude and disbelief.

I am a terrible liar, but I don't need SB drama. I'm hoping that I can get SB 1 to be more responsible, with respect to my time. She always has an excuse, from flat tires to running out of gas, but as my money gets tighter, I may have to cut her loose too.

MWMW,

Forgive me for saying, but this one has Nando 1 written all over her. If she is not fully there, she will be soon. Don't get me wrong, no one loves a Flaky Baby Challenge more than me, but there comes a time when I just cut my losses and move on. If she earns her place back in the rotation at a later date, so be it, but for me at least play time is hard to come by, and I can't hold slots open for no-shows.

Cut her loose, and let her know why, and leave it up to her to fix the situation or not. I forget who said it, but a brother in the club said you can't push on a string. Golf, was that you?

Onward,

Scott

Igor Mongorsky
09-05-13, 21:20
Not much to report. I currently only have one baby, the former escort. I thought she could be my goto girl since I haven't had much time to look for anyone else. But this is really turning out to be a dud.

I booked a room at a really nice resort. The whole date seemed oddly unromantic, like a couple that had been together too long. I guess the honeymoon is long over. The sex consisted of her laying on her back the entire time. Didn't want to do any other positions or even give me head. Multiples? Forget it. How boring can you get? She even wanted the lights turned out. After she came, she rolled over and promptly fell asleep. She was never a great lay, but she at least used to make some effort. With all the hotel, food, entertainment and "gifts", this was too expensive for a wife experience.

Now she's calling me asking when we can get together again. She's not going to be too happy if I don't give her anything even though if I did that right from the beginning, I'm sure she would be fine with it. But, now I've set a bad precedent. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I have to ask myself, if it's even worth "free"? Maybe not.

Anyhow, I'm going to have to try looking for someone fresh. I did sign up for SD4ME, but didn't get a chance to do anything with it. Got spammed for the first couple of weeks by what looks like a bunch of pros and my month expired. Looks like everything is still functional though.

BigTigger
09-06-13, 07:51
I am not saying you need a stable, but you definitely need two have to or three in the rotation.

BT.


Not much to report. I currently only have one baby, the former escort. I thought she could be my goto girl since I haven't had much time to look for anyone else. But this is really turning out to be a dud.

I booked a room at a really nice resort. The whole date seemed oddly unromantic, like a couple that had been together too long. I guess the honeymoon is long over. The sex consisted of her laying on her back the entire time. Didn't want to do any other positions or even give me head. Multiples? Forget it. How boring can you get? She even wanted the lights turned out. After she came, she rolled over and promptly fell asleep. She was never a great lay, but she at least used to make some effort. With all the hotel, food, entertainment and "gifts", this was too expensive for a wife experience.

Now she's calling me asking when we can get together again. She's not going to be too happy if I don't give her anything even though if I did that right from the beginning, I'm sure she would be fine with it. But, now I've set a bad precedent. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I have to ask myself, if it's even worth "free"? Maybe not.

Anyhow, I'm going to have to try looking for someone fresh. I did sign up for SD4ME, but didn't get a chance to do anything with it. Got spammed for the first couple of weeks by what looks like a bunch of pros and my month expired. Looks like everything is still functional though.

BigTigger
09-06-13, 08:12
So finally had lunch with MsCoolSlim. She is a delightful young lady. A little skinnier that I prefer, but very pretty. I have not decided if I am going to continue as she does not have her own place yet as she had to move back home after some major changes in her life.

MsPreLaw cancelled our Wed date and has been radio silence ever since.

My new fav MsLilMana and I have seen each other 3 times this week. She is 29 and just really getting started out on her own. She has her own place but did not have any bedroom furniture. Maybe this is why we do it on the couch. It took a minute for this info to come out. So yesterday I found a full set minus box spring and mattress for $$$. It included HB, FB, rails, dresser, armoire, desk and chair and two night stands. I picked up and delivered. You can imagine her excitement. She showed her appreciation later after dinner.

I was able to get my ATF to break up with me. She wanted exclusivity, lived too far away, was not very passionate and just became too much for where I am now in my life.

I am working on getting rid of MsNurseBooty. Her schedule is not working for me and I have lost interest for a number of reasons.

Talked with a really pretty pot from AF. 29 AA slim with big boobs. Her requirements are very low as she just wants spending money and attention. We are going out on Sun. I am looking forward to it. She has #1 spot potential.

I had another Pot, AA. 33, tall, with big boobs. She started at 2k per month, but was willing to discuss less. She was also very pretty. I had to put her on pause because I am not ready for a relationship that takes all my suga budget.

BigTigg

FredMoore
09-06-13, 10:42
All of a sudden my ATF #1 who I was madly in love with for over 1 year popped up on FB. She did not contact me but for some reason some of her pics are available to me so at least I can see how she looks now. I guess it is a glitch in the posting but I'm not complaining. I will maintain radio silence and just enjoy the memories since I don't want her to bolt and go deeper again. If she called I would be sorely tempted to ruin my life LOL. Interestingly, she is by far the least attractive of my 4 sequential ATFs but maybe because she was my first emotional SB connection she is the strongest.

Scottie, I know you can identify with that 1st one. What became of your 1st? I get the list confused. Is she the one who is moving to NY?

I sorely miss the excitement and challenge of bedding the newbies my friends. It's only been a week but It is weird not to be working up a new conquest. You can't beat that 1st penetration of a new fresh pussy.

F Scott
09-06-13, 12:21
All of a sudden my ATF #1 who I was madly in love with for over 1 year popped up on FB. Interestingly, she is by far the least attractive of my 4 sequential ATFs but maybe because she was my first emotional SB connection she is the strongest.

Scottie, I know you can identify with that 1st one. What became of your 1st? I get the list confused. Is she the one who is moving to NY?Fred,

My #1 ATF reappeared a year almost to the day of her dumping me, and we had a great 5 hour reunion. No sex, but the old connection was instantly there again, as if no time had gone by. Since then, however, we have not been able to schedule a second get together, and I actually had come to grips with the idea that she had disappeared again, but I got a long text from her yesterday and it seems we are back on, at least back on trying to find a time to get together. For a partially employed salesperson, she has a very full schedule LOL! Honestly, I alternate between remembering how it used to be with her, and thinking that it can never be the same.

No, sadly it is ATF #2 who is moving to NY. I had a very wonderful, bittersweet lunch with her yesterday, and we are going to keep in touch as best we can. I will fly her back as her schedule allows, but the job she is taking really has no set hours or days, so I am guessing that for the first little while, she will not have many days free in a row. I am already missing her, and she hasn't left yet!

Ah, the pains of emotional attachment.

Scott

Zomby
09-06-13, 13:32
No, sadly it is ATF #2 who is moving to NY. I had a very wonderful, bittersweet lunch with her yesterday, and we are going to keep in touch as best we can. I will fly her back as her schedule allows, but the job she is taking really has no set hours or days, so I am guessing that for the first little while, she will not have many days free in a row. I am already missing her, and she hasn't left yet!

Ah, the pains of emotional attachment.Exactly so.

I don't regret a second of what happened with my girl, and it ended as well as could be expected, but damn, it's painful when it's over. Fortunately, it was typically her: no drama, no histrionics, no dwelling.

Marcus Weiner
09-06-13, 13:42
Scott, you reminded me of an experience I had a few years-ago with my first (sort-of) SB. I met her at a massage parlor and in the course of our session asked if there were any extra's available. She said no but we could probably work something out after-hours. I saw this little hottie for about 6 months, once a-week at my place, and she was still one of the best fucks I've ever had! The reason I say SB and not UTR pro, is that I don't believe she was seeing anyone else but me. The massage place got raided after only being open for a month, and afterwards she worked at a car dealership as a receptionist and was going to culinary school full time. Our relationship ended when her boyfriend proposed after being offered a job out of state. Our last encounter was truly bittersweet, but for a 25 year-old girl with her whole life in front of her, I was happy for her. She said if I was looking for a new "body rub" girl, to see her friend who worked out of an apartment near me. I made the appointment with her and when I arrived, standing in front of me was this complete knockout. She asked me how I came across her and I told her that I had seen her ad on BP, but also that a friend had recommended her. At first she thought it may have been a client but when I said the girls name, her eyes got as big as saucers and said."Oh my god, you're the guy that she used to go to his house". The standard body rub for an hour became a FS session with her charging me for only a half hour, LOL. Needless to say, we became really good friends, in fact it became like a brother / sister relationship to the point where I couldn't even fuck her anymore. Now she is one of DC's top escorts according to the oThER review site, and I still talk to her about every other day. She's fascinated with my exploits and I'm amazed at some of the guys she's had as clients. Sorry for going on and on, but the bittersweet farewell of your SB reminded me of it.


No, sadly it is ATF #2 who is moving to NY. I had a very wonderful, bittersweet lunch with her yesterday, and we are going to keep in touch as best we can. I will fly her back as her schedule allows, but the job she is taking really has no set hours or days, so I am guessing that for the first little while, she will not have many days free in a row. I am already missing her, and she hasn't left yet!

Ah, the pains of emotional attachment.

Scott

Revvo
09-06-13, 18:06
I honestly don't know what to call this. Just let me say that I am constantly surprised at how this game turns out. I work very hard to control the outcome but the situation is frequently so fluid that it seems I am just a victim of chance and as I have said many times. You never know what is going to happen with these babies.

Subtitle a tale of two POTS.

First the Setup: One I really had my heart set on, blond hair blue eyed, knockout body and very direct and sexually promiscuous (on paper at least). Seemed to hit that golden age range between 27 and 38 where they look really good and know how to fuck they know their own bodies, they have mastered Oral, and know how to kiss. They are past the self induced drama of the young ones and know how to act in public. And they are not so goddammed stuck up and self involved and f-ing flakey. She is REVVO_POT3 I have her rated at a 7/8/6? By the way before Thursday the 6 was a 9. But she backed out again. She talked such a good game. But shit she just cannot seem to bring herself to move to the next level. In addition she is getting more distant and less verbally affectionate. Always a warning sign.

Then I have REVVO_POT5 you can see my reports on her. There are only two on her since she was not in the picture before last Thursday. She came on kind of nice. Had some nice pics but communication was spotty and not real responsive. She is very cute with a totally rocking body. I give her as of today a 7/10/9/10. She just did not float my boat at first. I honestly figured I had a good crew to work from and if she dropped off so be it. Remember looks are not everything. And that is one of the things I have learned through this experience. The really pretty white girls are almost always trouble of some form. I still like attractive women. I just do not pursue the really hot ones as much. Someone once told me. The definition of a 'hot chick' is a black hole of never ending need. So true my brothers. Much different than a pretty woman, Or even better a sexy woman. Anyway I digress POT5 which is now SB7 is a 24 YO part black / white / Venezuelan, and described herself as not your typical AA, meaning she was not ghetto and vulgar. Which by the way I don't like that ghetto shit. She has the body of a goddess. She is 5'4' and 105 lbs a true spinner by anyone's definition. Her skin is light and smooth as silk and her hair is straight. Face is cute but not a knockout.

Then the Payoff: So back to Thursday. You know the story. POT3 backs out. I would give her credit for not flaking but then again I had her address. She had to stop me from coming over. I was disappointed more because of the hole in my very busy schedule once again. Than I am for the rejection. If I have learned anything from this crazy f-ing adventure it is how to deal with mountains of gut wrenching frustrating rejection. So this was another in a long list. So I took it with a smile gracefully and was very magnanimous with her and told her that I would call later. I did the next day and she never responded or texted. Typical. The quality of this POT is getting lower and lower. This is why the 6 for personality. Someone else told me 'never look at what a woman says, look at what they do' this can be two very different things. This story illustrates this completely. So I resigned myself to just keep a low level of contact and maybe she will come around. But I was quickly loosing interest.

Then about an hour later. I get a text from none other than POT5 who is now SB7 as of today. She is been working a lot. And has not had a chance to get in touch with me. As opposed to POT3 above who has the whole week off and cannot return a call or a text. Can you imagine what her (pot3) life is like on a daily basis? She probably gets treated like shit by men and has no clue why. So SB7 and I banter a little and set up a casual lunch date for today. Not holding my breath on this one, not flirting too hard or working any type of amateur seduction or anything. Just matter of fact want to see you lets get together yada yada. So today comes I send her a reminder text waiting for the inevitable flake. But instead I get a quick response telling me she is working on a charity event and will meet me at a specific time at the restaurant. She gets there early and is waiting for me outside! This is an amazing thing in itself since she is young and good looking. And that is usually the death of punctuality. We have a nice lunch and good conversation. She is a true amateur and is asking about how it works. I am still not sure she is really going to bite. But I have already decided I will offer my low amount 150 and try to close her for the FC right after lunch. She accepts the 150 and we start talking schedules. She tells me she has two roommates and that one is not comfortable bringing a man home. She is ok with hotels for now. Then I offer the immediate trip to hotel and she is totally cool with it.

Not overtly sexual or talkative about sex. She is very educated. Degree in Microbiology, and she was a former college and high school cheerleader and coached cheerleading. More bookish that sexual but good looking. She agreed to the hotel. We went and had an absolutely wonderful time. She was awesome. She may be the best fuck of the all of the babies I have plowed. And easily the top 5 fucks of my entire life. This baby has the body of a fitness model and knows how to use it and her hands and her gorgeous full lips. I love a woman with a sensuous mouth and she like my little girl next door baby have them. We fucked hard and often during a short period of time. And she is ready to get together again soon for a longer session and told me she is going to tell her roommate that she has a boyfriend and he will be coming over a lot. LOL No drama, no bullshit, no flaking, no baggage or drugs, this is heaven. I am so lucky. There is one problem though. She liked getting on top and to continue fucking me after we both came. As my dick was getting soft she continued to ride me a lot and hard. Her cumming once again. And when we finished she could not get the rubber off so of course some come got inside of her. Shit Shit Shit, and double shit. But she was cool about it and said when we leave we will just go get the PLANB pill. One saving grace is she had a little bit of blood meaning she is probably starting her period anyway. Got the pill but I did not see her take it. I do not think she is trying to trap me or get pregnant. It is just not what she is about. Too normal. But I will be sweating this out once again for the next few days. Man what a fuck though. And this proves you cannot predict what will happen.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

BikeRider
09-06-13, 20:42
I honestly don't know what to call this. Just let me say that I am constantly surprised at how this game turns out. I work very hard to control the outcome but the situation is frequently so fluid that it seems I am just a victim of chance and as I have said many times. You never know what is going to happen with these babies.Revvo. Congrats on your new SB. She's the type of woman many of us seek!

I'd bail on POT3. She's not worth it.

Golfcart
09-06-13, 20:43
Cut her loose, and let her know why, and leave it up to her to fix the situation or not. I forget who said it, but a brother in the club said you can't push on a string. Golf, was that you?That was me. You cannot blame the string either. The nature of the thing. Like trying to piss up a rope.

Revvo
09-06-13, 21:50
Scott, you reminded me of an experience I had a few years-ago with my first (sort-of) SB. I met her at a massage parlor and in the course of our session asked if there were any extra's available. She said no but we could probably work something out after-hours. I saw this little hottie for about 6 months, once a-week at my place, and she was still one of the best fucks I've ever had! The reason I say SB and not UTR pro, is that I don't believe she was seeing anyone else but me. The massage place got raided after only being open for a month, and afterwards she worked at a car dealership as a receptionist and was going to culinary school full time. Our relationship ended when her boyfriend proposed after being offered a job out of state. Our last encounter was truly bittersweet, but for a 25 year-old girl with her whole life in front of her, I was happy for her. She said if I was looking for a new "body rub" girl, to see her friend who worked out of an apartment near me. I made the appointment with her and when I arrived, standing in front of me was this complete knockout. She asked me how I came across her and I told her that I had seen her ad on BP, but also that a friend had recommended her. At first she thought it may have been a client but when I said the girls name, her eyes got as big as saucers and said."Oh my god, you're the guy that she used to go to his house". The standard body rub for an hour became a FS session with her charging me for only a half hour, LOL. Needless to say, we became really good friends, in fact it became like a brother / sister relationship to the point where I couldn't even fuck her anymore. Now she is one of DC's top escorts according to the oThER review site, and I still talk to her about every other day. She's fascinated with my exploits and I'm amazed at some of the guys she's had as clients. Sorry for going on and on, but the bittersweet farewell of your SB reminded me of it.Awesome story my brother. Give us more. Sounds like you have a few good ones to tell.

I love these.

Revvo

Revvo
09-06-13, 22:07
Revvo. Congrats on your new SB. She's the type of woman many of us seek!

I'd bail on POT3. She's not worth it.She is the type we seek. And yes I have some really good ones to worry about without wasting my time on the silly girl that can't even make it to the date.

And thanks for the props.

BikeRider
09-06-13, 22:18
She is the type we seek. And yes I have some really good ones to worry about without wasting my time on the silly girl that can't even make it to the date.

And thanks for the props.I always stay in contact prior to the date. If I don't hear anything within an hour of the meet, then I txt them and say I'm not going to show-up until I have confirmation from you. So far, I've only had one baby confirm within the hour and no show. I blocked her number and moved ahead. None of us have time to play games.

Marcus Weiner
09-07-13, 00:20
Revvo, don't worry I'll surely have more stories coming your way. You already know about my exploits with the 45 yr-old MILF and then how I consequently ended up with her 19 yr-old daughter, LOL. Why do you think I get calls from my escort friend almost everyday. We entertain ourselves. I promise you I'll have more to share. BTW, SB5, Portugese hottie. 29 yr-old single mom couldn't get a sitter so our rendezvous was postponed, but SB1, my late 30's blonde ATF is on her way to see me. It's midnight now so she'll probably show up at 4am, LOL. I'll be a zombie at work tomorrow. A very happy zombie!

MW.


Awesome story my brother. Give us more. Sounds like you have a few good ones to tell.

I love these.

Revvo

BikeRider
09-07-13, 12:21
"I'm looking for a Sugar Daddy willing to give an allowance and help me pay for my school. No intimacy! And No private meetings!"

She's not that great looking to boot! No doubt, her mailbox floweth over.

I've half a notion to send her an email saying. "OK. We can just fuck in public then!"

Revvo
09-07-13, 12:33
"I'm looking for a Sugar Daddy willing to give an allowance and help me pay for my school. No intimacy! And No private meetings!"

She's not that great looking to boot! No doubt, her mailbox floweth over.

I've half a notion to send her an email saying."OK. We can just fuck in public then!"Just to find out whats going on in her head. Oh what a sense of entitlement these women sometimes have. LOL

Marcus Weiner
09-07-13, 12:50
You have no idea how many of these charlatans I've contacted. After I've tried unsuccessfully, to make them see the error of their ways, my reply is this simple."You really think that I'm going to pay you $$ to buy you dinner, dump drinks down your throat, and expect some sort of pleasure of your company?" It's harsh but to the point. I told Bike Rider one of my tricks when they give me their number. After they text me and tell me that they aren't interested in sex, I reply by bluffing. I tell them that they were much more open minded to the idea when they replied to my CL ad last month. So many of these girls reply to so many ads they can't keep them straight. My bluff has worked successfully only once though. But if I hadn't tried I would have never known. I'm using it again and working on a POT up here in Baltimore. She's right up your alley Scott. The young artsy-fartsy type. Reminds me of the girls I used to see at Dead concerts dancing around in peasant dresses, but at least these girls shave!

MW.


"I'm looking for a Sugar Daddy willing to give an allowance and help me pay for my school. No intimacy! And No private meetings!"

She's not that great looking to boot! No doubt, her mailbox floweth over.

I've half a notion to send her an email saying."OK. We can just fuck in public then!"

BikeRider
09-07-13, 14:28
Just to find out whats going on in her head. Oh what a sense of entitlement these women sometimes have. LOLProfile number 1741426. Let me know how it goes.

Revvo
09-07-13, 14:49
Profile number 1741426. Let me know how it goes.But I do not have access to any SD sites right now. I have let them expire. I am concentrating on current POTs and babies for now.

Golfcart
09-07-13, 15:53
Our relationship ended when her boyfriend proposed after being offered a job out of state. Our last encounter was truly bittersweet, but for a 25 year-old girl with her whole life in front of her, I was happy for her.Excellent. Being happy for her when she moves on is the only thing that separates us from the street monger.

Revvo
09-07-13, 16:30
After my incident below. I am considering a stealth vasectomy. I understand there is a no scalpel vasectomy that does not even leave an incision. It is very low impact and only leaves a small puncture. Plus a small shave area on the balls. Then there is a two week no sex period I believe.

I think I could get away with it. The only way I see to get caught is possibly if I get complications which are very low in probability.

Any thoughts?

Anyone ever go this route?

Successes or failures?

FotoGuy1970
09-07-13, 16:37
A reminder to my brothers and a piece of advice to guys who are just entering our "hobby": No matter how much you trust a SB, never leave her alone with the sugar offering. I learned that the hard way last night.

A SB I had seen a few times before met with me at the hotel. I had some (luckily not all) of her sugar in a gym bag with a change of clothes for myself, the partial sugar for her in a plain envelope. We had chatted for a bit, then took a shower together for some foreplay. She stepped out of the bathroom, while I finished drying off. She was out of my sight for maybe two minutes, long enough for her to reach into my gym bag, quickly find the sugar and put it in her purse without my knowing it. As I was coming out of the bathroom she was getting dressed, which I didn't think anything of because she had mentioned earlier she needed her phone charger, plus she said she wanted to grab her toothbrush to brush her teeth. I also assumed she wanted to grab a smoke while she was out there. So she left the room and I waited for a bit. After about 10 minutes, I walked into the parking lot to see that her car was gone. I sent her a text, tried to call her. No response. I finally started to get bad feeling and sure enough, I checked my gym bag to see what she had taken.

What's amazing is that this girl only got away 2/3 of her sugar for the night, she could have stayed and gotten even more at the end of the night. Hell, she could have even stayed in our original arrangement and gotten four times what she stole every single month. And I had enough trust in her and thought I knew her well enough that she would never think of stealing from me. Just one more cautionary tale that sometimes we don't know these girls as well as we think we do. Be on your guard out there!

BikeRider
09-07-13, 17:07
After my incident below. I am considering a stealth vasectomy. I understand there is a no scalpel vasectomy that does not even leave an incision. It is very low impact and only leaves a small puncture. Plus a small shave area on the balls. Then there is a two week no sex period I believe.

I think I could get away with it. The only way I see to get caught is possibly if I get complications which are very low in probability.

Any thoughts?

Anyone ever go this route?

Successes or failures?Considering it myself. But not the stealth route. I've not heard about the two week period. I was told a few days as long as things didn't hurt. Friends who have been snipped said it was pretty painful for a bit. But I don't think they had the no scalpel version as it was 5+ years ago.

Smokarz_XO
09-07-13, 17:36
Decided to meet up with my 29yr Sicilian prego HYM again before she pops in another 2 weeks. I haven't seen her in about two months due to my wasted time chasing 18/19 yr old HCBs and had to decline a few of her requests to meet.

She's always a pleasure to be with. A very sexual woman that's up for anything I throw at her. We spent a little over an hour together during my lunch break. To make it short, I made two deposits, one on her face and another in her womb.

BTW, my other HYM disappeared after a few meetings. She completely went off the radar. She seemed to have abandon her SD account (haven't log in for months). My txts and emails to her went silence. I guess the sugar world was not for her.

Over the past 2-3 months, I have spent lots of times texting and chasing those young tails, but to no avail. Also during this time, I've met up with a few young AA girls that didn't quite meet my SB qualifications and never saw them again. I am only providing a few details on the HCBs that I thought was worth my time chasing.

18AAHCB. This girl was an extremely fun and pleasant person to talk to. Smart, nicely fit and toned body. Very sweet face. She has a black belt and teaches karate to kids. No sign of ever being in the bowl. If I was single, I would seriously make her my gf, maybe marry her. LOL Anyway she lives about 3 hours away but coming to a town near me for college (about 45min away). We txts for over a month, and also make plans for her to take the Greyhound to come see me. Once she's in town and college started, she became very busy with her school work, and other college activities. I did have a feeling that this wasn't going to work out since I was not able to to have time to come see her (married with kids) , and asking her to take the bus back and forth on a regular basis was asking too much of her, considering her school work. But nevertheless, I continue to chat with her because it was really fun times. Finally, she sent me a long txt apologizing and saying she won't be able to make our arrangement work and she would like to focus on her course work and scholarship. I wasn't suprised and sort of expected it. I wish her well with school and just left it at that. We're still connected on fb, so I could she what's she up to. Yeah, I feel kinda like a stalker.

18WhiteHCBSpinner. This girl def fits into the spinner type that HW oftens talk about. 5'1, white smooth skin, long blonde hair, nice cute little butt and what looks like nice B cups. She's very slim, probably no more than 95lbs on her. This was another fun one to talk with. Smart, playful, and a down to earth kind of girl. We txts for over a month, and I still txt her today. She looks like someone with very desparate needs and I didn't try to delve into it too much. We talked about arrangements and my expectations, but then she told me that what I offer won't work for her and she told me she has offers that are way more that meet her needs ($1. 2k a month). I sense a nando in her, but if I had that budget, I would give her a try. She looks too good and at least, really fun to chat with. Maybe I'll come back to her later, especially if none of those higher offers come through.

Currently, I am working on a few POTs and I am becoming more picky with the POTs after my meetings with a few AA that didn't quite work out and never repeated. But at least I got the POF cheaply.

19PuortoRican. You know that young latina working down the street with short short jeans and tight tops? Yeah, that's her. I love those Latin chics, and whenever I see them working around the mall or the parks I just I could get their POF. LOL.

This one has been on the site for a few months and have met nothing by weirdos. I hear that a lot from many of these girls, I believe you guys probably hear the same thing too. This girl lives about 30min away and more than willing to take the Greyhound to come to me. She's ok with my initiall offer of 5-6$ a month. She does work, so getting a date / time set up could be tricky. Working on logistics now and see what will happens.

21ModelPot. White. 5'5 long hair, lean and fit body. She does amateur modelling on the side. She just hit the site, so she's a prime target. From chatting with her, I could sense her wants could be a little more than what I can offer, but so far she's ok with my usual 5-6$ a month. She like a bottle of 'sweet red or dry white' when we get together at the FC. LOL. I'll try to hit her up next week and see if an FC date and actually take place.

Well gents, have a wonderful weekend and may god bless you all with some world class cookies to enjoy.

HollywoodGuy
09-07-13, 18:16
After my incident below. I am considering a stealth vasectomy. I understand there is a no scalpel vasectomy that does not even leave an incision. It is very low impact and only leaves a small puncture. Plus a small shave area on the balls. Then there is a two week no sex period I believe.

I think I could get away with it. The only way I see to get caught is possibly if I get complications which are very low in probability.

Any thoughts?

Anyone ever go this route?

Successes or failures?Best move I ever made. Did it 4 years ago due to multiple scares and morning after pill episodes. Wish I had done it years before. My dr told me he had one failure in 1700 procedures. So pretty much fail safe.

Revvo
09-07-13, 18:19
Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

Revvo

Igor Mongorsky
09-07-13, 19:02
Considering it myself. But not the stealth route. I've not heard about the two week period. I was told a few days as long as things didn't hurt. Friends who have been snipped said it was pretty painful for a bit. But I don't think they had the no scalpel version as it was 5+ years ago.Me too. I've been reluctant because I'm scared of the knife, but the consequences of getting a girl preggo are too great. Friends who I know who have had the procedure have said there's "nothing" to it.

Igor Mongorsky
09-07-13, 19:53
Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

RevvoEven if you do give her the money, the relationship is "damaged". It changes the nature of the relationship to one being primarily about money. I would not do either 2 or 4. No point in kidding yourselves it's a loan. I've done #5 before even though it was against my better judgement. My baby lost her job and couldn't pay her rent. I justified it to myself that I had not been giving her that much all along. You know what happened next. She doubled down and asked me for even more. I had to say no and that did not go over well. The thing is, even when you try to help you aren't really helping, you are enabling.

Donwhite
09-07-13, 20:00
It would depend on how much for me. If it was the regular per visit price, I would just schedule a quick visit and give it to her. I made the mistake of loaning a sb money before. I was just $200 2 years ago for a car payment. She paid me back half and I've never seen her or the other $100 after that.


Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

Revvo

Donwhite
09-07-13, 20:02
On Another note, I am babyless right now. I actually heard back from my tilted kilt baby and we saw each other a couple times, but unfortunately she is moving to Germany for nursing school. It was fun playing with a tilted kilt baby in her work outfit, but alas back to the drawing board for me. I was seeing her for $120 per visit. I'm having trouble finding someone new. Way too much GPS out there and they're not even wanting to spoil back.

HollywoodGuy
09-07-13, 20:40
Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

RevvoConsider any money you give as a gift. If it comes back, consider that a blessing.

Golfcart
09-07-13, 22:24
I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do? "Is there anyway I could borrow money from you?" What do you do. RevvoMy answer will not be popular. Asking for a loan or extra gift is a game-changer that sent the relationship into the toilet the minute the request was made regardless what Revvo does. If he loans or gives her the money she'll keep having emergencies and resentment will set in on his part. If he doesn't loan or give her the money resentment will set in on her part. There are some game-enders in pay for play and this is one of the boundaries. It's only a matter of time that more requests get made. The same thing would happen if the two of them were golfing buddies. In pay for play it happens faster and if she knows something, if she has put two and two together, it's worse in pay for play.

So what would I do? Not respond to further calls or emails and find a new go-to-girl. Any response would be drama to her. You can't make a woman understand what she doesn't want to hear.

This is not a good answer but it is the least bad answer.


Consider any money you give as a gift. If it comes back, consider that a blessing.My point exactly. He can't keep considering it a blessing because her requests will keep on coming.

Dsprdo
09-07-13, 23:43
"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

What would you you do.

RevvoSo, one of my very first babies came to me with similar request. The money was for a medical issue that had come up, and I had reason to believe she was telling the truth. It wasn't a huge amount and she told me she would consider it an advance on our next meeting. I gave it to her, and when I did I didn't expect to see a return on it. I had enjoyed my time with her, I believed she needed it, and I was ok with the idea that it was a gift, as HG said.

I kept in touch with her via text, and the medical issue was serious, so we didn't schedule another time together. A while later, I got another request from her, for another loan / gift, a larger amount this time. I said no. I've not heard from her since. I don't regret saying yes the first time, and I don't regret saying no the second.

Have had a couple of other SB's ask for advances for whatever reason, where I didn't feel that we had established the level of rapport where I wanted to be the banker, and I had no qualms saying no. I guess what I think it boils down to is the relationship you have. It's okay to help someone out-I know that the girls need it sometimes; but when you fell like you're being taken advantage of, don't hesitate to say no and if that spells the end, so be it.

LoriTruck
09-08-13, 02:04
"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

RevvoYou don't want to just give it to her and regret it later because she may ignore your calls when you are ready to schedule with her. You don't want to completely ignore her, especially if you like her. Find out the amount first, there is nothing wrong with telling her you don't have it at the moment. There is no harm to the relationship with that response. The ball will be on her court as to her next move. She may give it a few days and try asking again but always know that she will need you before you need her.

Revvo
09-08-13, 05:40
My answer will not be popular. Asking for a loan or extra gift is a game-changer that sent the relationship into the toilet the minute the request was made regardless what Revvo does. If he loans or gives her the money she'll keep having emergencies and resentment will set in on his part. If he doesn't loan or give her the money resentment will set in on her part. There are some game-enders in pay for play and this is one of the boundaries. It's only a matter of time that more requests get made. The same thing would happen if the two of them were golfing buddies. In pay for play it happens faster and if she knows something, if she has put two and two together, it's worse in pay for play.

So what would I do? Not respond to further calls or emails and find a new go-to-girl. Any response would be drama to her. You can't make a woman understand what she doesn't want to hear.

This is not a good answer but it is the least bad answer.

My point exactly. He can't keep considering it a blessing because her requests will keep on coming.I have thought about saying ok but don't make it a habit. Or saying you are going to make a lot of money in the future. Or should I just say nothing?

FotoGuy1970
09-08-13, 09:56
Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

RevvoFollow your gut instinct. The first "real" SB I had needed an advance, which I gave her and she followed through on making sure I was paid back. But I felt she was trustworthy enough to make up for the loan with our dates. But even the ones you think are trustworthy could still burn you. So just follow your instincts and do what you think is in your best interest, not in her best interest.

Marcus Weiner
09-08-13, 14:05
My advice is to you is simple. Don't lend money to anyone that you aren't prepared to lose. If she's your ATF and can afford it, give it to her. One thing that you will get for your money is the knowledge that she is indeed your ATF. If she never pays you back then you will know that somewhere down the line this issue was going to rear it's head and it may have cost you more money.


Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

Revvo

Zomby
09-08-13, 14:15
After my incident below. I am considering a stealth vasectomy. I understand there is a no scalpel vasectomy that does not even leave an incision. It is very low impact and only leaves a small puncture. Plus a small shave area on the balls. Then there is a two week no sex period I believe.

I think I could get away with it. The only way I see to get caught is possibly if I get complications which are very low in probability.

Any thoughts?

Anyone ever go this route?

Successes or failures?Did that almost 20 years ago now. Best move I ever made.

Didn't go the stealth route, though; my wife knew and approved. We were done having kids, and she didn't want to do the tubal. I wasn't as squeamish. (:

It was one of the deciding factors of my girl letting us go raw. She is apparently allergic to most birth control, so when she found out I was snipped, she immediately asked if we could get tested and go bare.

Zomby
09-08-13, 14:18
5. I could just give her the money.As others have said, there's no shame in asking how much and deciding from there. But as others have also said, consider it gone.

Marcus Weiner
09-08-13, 14:27
If any of you guys in the DC / Baltimore area are looking to see a little spinner today or tonight, SB4 my Chinese / Russian SB has asked for my help. I was supposed to see her but my ATF, SB1 the late 30's blonde came up and spent the night. She needs $$ and cannot host, but I can assure you she's an awful lot of fun and well worth it!

MW

Revvo
09-08-13, 14:49
My advice is to you is simple. Don't lend money to anyone that you aren't prepared to lose. If she's your ATF and can afford it, give it to her. One thing that you will get for your money is the knowledge that she is indeed your ATF. If she never pays you back then you will know that somewhere down the line this issue was going to rear it's head and it may have cost you more money.I am going to lend / give her the money. I will let you know how it goes. I honestly think she is sincere. And I would not do this for any other baby.

Down the rabbit hole I go.

Rob Taylor
09-08-13, 15:47
If any of you guys in the DC / Baltimore area are looking to see a little spinner today or tonight, SB4 my Chinese / Russian SB has asked for my help. I was supposed to see her but my ATF, SB1 the late 30's blonde came up and spent the night. She needs $$ and cannot host, but I can assure you she's an awful lot of fun and well worth it!

MWI know there is a thin line between pro's, UTR's, non pro' and some sugar babies, but if she is just willing to see anybody.

For 200 bucks, I would probably put her in the UTR or non pro category, and not SB role. I'm not dissing you there is nothing wrong with

Non pro's, but SB's are suppose to be closer to real life FWB (bootycalls) or GF's and non pro and UTR's are closer to pro's

Marcus Weiner
09-09-13, 01:22
Rob, she is one of 4 to 5 girls I see often. Sometimes I become spread so thin that I cannot help them all. I was supposed to see her last night but wasn't able to. She had counted on my help and asked me if I knew anyone that I trusted. She's on SA WYP and SD4M and I wanted the regular posters to this thread know that she was looking for help. I had dozens of offers for her but selected a guy that I know from the Baltimore Non-Pro thread. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers on this thread. I was only trying to help a damsel in distress that I screwed up with.

MW.


I know there is a thin line between pro's, UTR's, non pro' and some sugar babies, but if she is just willing to see anybody.

For 200 bucks, I would probably put her in the UTR or non pro category, and not SB role. I'm not dissing you there is nothing wrong with

Non pro's, but SB's are suppose to be closer to real life FWB (bootycalls) or GF's and non pro and UTR's are closer to pro's

GuyWoodson
09-09-13, 06:36
This will only work if the wife is fertile. In many circumstances the wife will have had her tubes tied at the same time as last birth. Then you have a problem explaining why you should have a vasectomy.


Did that almost 20 years ago now. Best move I ever made.

Didn't go the stealth route, though; my wife knew and approved. We were done having kids, and she didn't want to do the tubal. I wasn't as squeamish. (:

It was one of the deciding factors of my girl letting us go raw. She is apparently allergic to most birth control, so when she found out I was snipped, she immediately asked if we could get tested and go bare.

LikeMike1963
09-09-13, 15:39
You will expel less. Ummm. Nut. Sooo. If your SO is use too being covered. They may notice a difference.


After my incident below. I am considering a stealth vasectomy. I understand there is a no scalpel vasectomy that does not even leave an incision. It is very low impact and only leaves a small puncture. Plus a small shave area on the balls. Then there is a two week no sex period I believe.

I think I could get away with it. The only way I see to get caught is possibly if I get complications which are very low in probability.

Any thoughts?

Anyone ever go this route?

Successes or failures?

LikeMike1963
09-09-13, 15:43
Like Dave Ramsey says. Thanksgiving dinner just tastes different when family members OWE each other money. Soooo. Either just give it to her or tell her you are on a budget too and what you give her is what you can afford. Or maybe give her partial reemphasizing that you are on a budget too but want to help some.


Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

Revvo

FredMoore
09-09-13, 15:56
A reminder to my brothers and a piece of advice to guys who are just entering our "hobby": No matter how much you trust a SB, never leave her alone with the sugar offering. I learned that the hard way last night.

I sent her a text, tried to call her. No response. I finally started to get bad feeling and sure enough, I checked my gym bag to see what she had taken.

What's amazing is that this girl only got away 2/3 of her sugar for the night, she could have stayed and gotten even more at the end of the night. Hell, she could have even stayed in our original arrangement and gotten four times what she stole every single month. And I had enough trust in her and thought I knew her well enough that she would never think of stealing from me. Just one more cautionary tale that sometimes we don't know these girls as well as we think we do. Be on your guard out there!I related a similar tale some weeks ago. They must be disgusted with the guy they rip off not to go ahead and fuck for an hour / week and score honestly earned change. I'm sure my thief hasn't had a sex partner as kind. Considerate, and handsome as me haha. But seriously, some of these Nando 1s are dirtbags through and through and would rather steal than earn an "honest" wage. The short sightedness just flabbergasts me.

Hmmm, let's do the math. $250 / week =1000 / month ves stealing 200 and running. Stuuuuupid!

FredMoore
09-09-13, 16:22
Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

RevvoThis has been well covered by the Board but I will re-relate my experience. I have advanced at least 4 girls money who I had seen for over 4 visits each. I got burned on 3/4 of them. One recently I had to cancel on and she was counting on the $ to pay electric. I gave it to her since it was my fault and she was very appreciative when we met soon after. If she asks again I will give it to her. The other recent SB stiffed me and went dark after 5 prior visits in the FC. She gave up $1000 / month in ongoing payments and the pleasure of being fucked well.

Revvo
09-09-13, 16:23
I am going to lend / give her the money. I will let you know how it goes. I honestly think she is sincere. And I would not do this for any other baby.

Down the rabbit hole I go.So I did the loan / gift. And made sure she understood that she knew I wanted to help her and was happy to do so. That I never do this. But also that this would not be a common thing. She emphatically agreed. I Wanted to do it in person. But just could not get away. She lives about 45 minutes away.

She has continued to stay in touch with me and shows no indication of bolting. If anything she seems to be getting closer to me.

I used the Western Union through a local supermarket to send the money. And she was extremely grateful and appreciative and promised to show her appreciation on Wednesday when we get together.)

Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

Revvo

F Scott
09-09-13, 16:31
Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

RevvoRevvo,

I applaud you helping your baby out like you did. I have done the same from time to time, and never had it backfire. I am concerned, however, about her having your real name now. Let's hope that doesn't come back to bite you. You could have waited an hour more while she went and got herself a green dot card for four bucks and remained under cover.

Fingers crossed for you,

Scott

Igor Mongorsky
09-09-13, 16:55
So I did the loan / gift. And made sure she understood that she knew I wanted to help her and was happy to do so. That I never do this. But also that this would not be a common thing. She emphatically agreed. I Wanted to do it in person. But just could not get away. She lives about 45 minutes away.

She has continued to stay in touch with me and shows no indication of bolting. If anything she seems to be getting closer to me.

I used the Western Union through a local supermarket to send the money. And she was extremely grateful and appreciative and promised to show her appreciation on Wednesday when we get together.)

Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

RevvoYou could have mailed a money order (don't know the amount), but she would have to wait a couple days for it to arrive. Funny how these girls not only need money, then need it NOW. It never is as big an emergency as they make it out to be.

But, I would think if she has reached Baby status, then her having your real name is no big deal.

Igor Mongorsky
09-09-13, 16:57
If any of you guys in the DC / Baltimore area are looking to see a little spinner today or tonight, SB4 my Chinese / Russian SB has asked for my help. I was supposed to see her but my ATF, SB1 the late 30's blonde came up and spent the night. She needs $$ and cannot host, but I can assure you she's an awful lot of fun and well worth it!

MWI wish I wasn't on the other side of the country. She looks nice.

Revvo
09-09-13, 17:02
Revvo,

I applaud you helping your baby out like you did. I have done the same from time to time, and never had it backfire. I am concerned, however, about her having your real name now. Let's hope that Doesn't come back to bite you. You could have waited an hour more while she went and got herself a green dot card for four bucks and remained under cover.

Fingers crossed for you,

ScottLearned that lesson brother. Should have done that. Will not happen again. You never know what will happen but I am pretty sure regardless of what happens she is not one of the crazy ones.

Once she has a GreenDot card. How do you charge it up. Just go online and put in the number and charge it with your own credit or debit card?

Never used GreenDot before. Where do you get them at?

Revvo

WoodSlinger
09-09-13, 17:05
Learned that lesson brother. Should have done that. Will not happen again. You never know what will happen but I am pretty sure regardless of what happens she is not one of the crazy ones.

Once she has a GreenDot card. How do you charge it up. Just go online and put in the number and charge it with your own credit or debit card?

Never used GreenDot before. Where do you get them at?

RevvoHttps://www.greendot.com/greendot

FredMoore
09-09-13, 17:23
Just did both

1) the thief I sent $200 to via Western Union. It cost $12 and I made up the name. You can provide whatever info you want, just give her the name you used. Mickey Mouse worked fine.

2) Green dot cost me $2.95 plus the money sent. On her end she had to buy a card for $4.95 and put $10 on the card. When you want to send money and she already has a card it's just $2. 95 for you.

HollywoodGuy
09-09-13, 17:41
Just did both

1) the thief I sent $200 to via Western Union. It cost $12 and I made up the name. You can provide whatever info you want, just give her the name you used. Mickey Mouse worked fine.

2) Green dot cost me $2. 95 plus the money sent. On her end she had to buy a card for $4. 95 and put $10 on the card. When you want to send money and she already has a card it's just $2. 95 for you.I couldn't function without my girls having a greendot card. For regulars only

Vasail
09-09-13, 18:11
So I did the loan / gift. And made sure she understood that she knew I wanted to help her and was happy to do so. That I never do this. But also that this would not be a common thing. She emphatically agreed. I Wanted to do it in person. But just could not get away. She lives about 45 minutes away.

She has continued to stay in touch with me and shows no indication of bolting. If anything she seems to be getting closer to me.

I used the Western Union through a local supermarket to send the money. And she was extremely grateful and appreciative and promised to show her appreciation on Wednesday when we get together.)

Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

RevvoLast time I went to MB I texted my pro and she was in RIC, of all places. Once I got back home she wanted to meet but my schedule didn't allow. A few days later she texted me asking for .25. Just that, no more. She said she got busted in RIC and didn't have enough to go home. I looked up he mugshot and sure enough, there she was. I went ahead and sent her the money from Walmart with a fake name. I gave her the fake name and security question. Since she didn't have an I'd. She got the money and texted me that she is again home and safe in MB and when can I visit. Well brothers, this weekend sail is heading to MB. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

Graham1
09-09-13, 18:15
I couldn't function without my girls having a greendot card. For regulars onlyI bought a money order today at post office and mailed it. No I'd, paid cash. Does take 2 days but totally anonymous. Their fee was $1. 20.

Revvo
09-09-13, 21:17
Lastly, I have to give props to Revvo, who is an old online buddy from a stripper site. We both used to fancy the stripper world and the possibilities there. It appears Revvo has been converted to the Sugar world and seems to be doing quite well. Good for you my man! Obviously I haven't been able to wean myself from that dark place, but I keep trying! Could it have something to do with the local GPS Baby world?

!Amazing enough brother Rat I just received a surprise text from my first SB who happened to be a stripper I met in a local / famous strip club a couple of years ago. Before I even knew about these sites. She was a the most beautiful one in the club 9/8/7/8 and she managed to get me in a dark corner of the club and proceeded to fuck me for two nuts / orgasms uncovered and she was not on birth control! This started a crazy tempestuous frustrating and expensive SD arrangement that ended when Magic Rat introduced me to this site.

So anyway she wants me to come visit. But I put her off. I am too damn busy with all the other babies to deal with her shit. I literally can fuck three of my current babies for what I paid for one visit with her. And no drama or craziness.

I have learned a lot from this site.

What a ride my brothers. Hold on tight and keep your eyes wide open you don't want to miss a second of it! This has truly been a unique experience.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

HollywoodGuy
09-09-13, 23:09
Amazing enough brother Rat I just received a surprise text from my first SB who happened to be a stripper I met in a local / famous strip club a couple of years ago. Before I even knew about these sites. She was a the most beautiful one in the club 9/8/7/8 and she managed to get me in a dark corner of the club and proceeded to fuck me for two nuts / orgasms uncovered and she was not on birth control! This started a crazy tempestuous frustrating and expensive SD arrangement that ended when Magic Rat introduced me to this site.

So anyway she wants me to come visit. But I put her off. I am too damn busy with all the other babies to deal with her shit. I literally can fuck three of my current babies for what I paid for one visit with her. And no drama or craziness.

I have learned a lot from this site.

What a ride my brothers. Hold on tight and keep your eyes wide open you don't want to miss a second of it! This has truly been a unique experience.

Be careful out there.

RevvoTell her you can't wait to see her. Let her know you upped your game and now the going rate is (whatever you say). You got nothing to lose. If she was ever into you at all, now you"ll know for sure.

WoodSlinger
09-10-13, 08:22
I bought a money order today at post office and mailed it. No I'd, paid cash. Does take 2 days but totally anonymous. Their fee was $1. 20.That is old school!

LikeMike1963
09-10-13, 09:40
I had a score a few weeks ago. Do not know if you guys have Crime Times in your city but here is what I accomplished. I would pick up the mag on occasion. It's only $1. And look through. Would see folks at times that I have met or known on one manner or another. I noticed that there was usually some cutie on the DUI page. You know. Likely a party girl who got tagged driving late on a party night. So my natural predatory / hunting instincts kicked in. FYI. I do not care how good we are to our SB's. We are ALL predators. I have a fake FB profile so would search them on FB. As their real name is provided in the mag. Sent some friend requests out. Knowing they are young and lets face it. A DUI is not cheap. Message out that I am looking for a lady benefactor and if they would have an interest. Voilla. I hit one! Have met FC twice. She has a BF. Not sure how long it will last but it is fun for now. And this may be a fertile hunting ground. What do you guys think?

FredMoore
09-10-13, 10:05
I had a score a few weeks ago. Do not know if you guys have Crime Times in your city but here is what I accomplished. I would pick up the mag on occasion. It's only $1. And look through. Would see folks at times that I have met or known on one manner or another. I noticed that there was usually some cutie on the DUI page. You know. Likely a party girl who got tagged driving late on a party night. So my natural predatory / hunting instincts kicked in. FYI. I do not care how good we are to our SB's. We are ALL predators. I have a fake FB profile so would search them on FB. As their real name is provided in the mag. Sent some friend requests out. Knowing they are young and lets face it. A DUI is not cheap. Message out that I am looking for a lady benefactor and if they would have an interest. Voilla. I hit one! Have met FC twice. She has a BF. Not sure how long it will last but it is fun for now. And this may be a fertile hunting ground. What do you guys think?Very clever idea Mike, but I do see one snag. Be careful propositioning random girls for money. What we do is a fine line anyway but if a DUI victim is not of the SB persuasion she might tell somebody like a parent. At least on the SB sites or CL girls are already in that mindset and willing to take the plunge to the dark side.

I was text-ing an 18 yr old from SA about a M&G and got a text back later from her mother telling me that she will call the cops if I ever contacted her again. The girl contacted me a month or two later asking for a M&G. I did not remember the number since I erased it but when she sent me a picture I said that I heard from her Mother. She said don't worry about it since she hides her phone. Yikes! I said thanks but no thanks. We don't think about 3rd parties who might get involved.

WoodSlinger
09-10-13, 10:56
I had a score a few weeks ago. Do not know if you guys have Crime Times in your city but here is what I accomplished. I would pick up the mag on occasion. It's only $1. And look through. Would see folks at times that I have met or known on one manner or another. I noticed that there was usually some cutie on the DUI page. You know. Likely a party girl who got tagged driving late on a party night. So my natural predatory / hunting instincts kicked in. FYI. I do not care how good we are to our SB's. We are ALL predators. I have a fake FB profile so would search them on FB. As their real name is provided in the mag. Sent some friend requests out. Knowing they are young and lets face it. A DUI is not cheap. Message out that I am looking for a lady benefactor and if they would have an interest. Voilla. I hit one! Have met FC twice. She has a BF. Not sure how long it will last but it is fun for now. And this may be a fertile hunting ground. What do you guys think?Not the traditional approach, but who cares. Keep your Modus Operandi as stealthy as possible (seems we all tend to lean that way anyway) and have some fun with it.

Kudos!

LikeMike1963
09-10-13, 12:11
I usually stay away from under 21. I also approach as a semi dating benefactor relationship. If they ask what that is then I will go into more detail. But emphasize it is a semi dating situation. I usually try to work with girls that may not of been an SB before. But do approach delicately.


Very clever idea Mike, but I do see one snag. Be careful propositioning random girls for money. What we do is a fine line anyway but if a DUI victim is not of the SB persuasion she might tell somebody like a parent. At least on the SB sites or CL girls are already in that mindset and willing to take the plunge to the dark side.

I was text-ing an 18 yr old from SA about a M&G and got a text back later from her mother telling me that she will call the cops if I ever contacted her again. The girl contacted me a month or two later asking for a M&G. I did not remember the number since I erased it but when she sent me a picture I said that I heard from her Mother. She said don't worry about it since she hides her phone. Yikes! I said thanks but no thanks. We don't think about 3rd parties who might get involved.

Hornytoad1
09-10-13, 15:53
I had a score a few weeks ago. Do not know if you guys have Crime Times in your city but here is what I accomplished. I would pick up the mag on occasion. It's only $1. And look through. Would see folks at times that I have met or known on one manner or another. I noticed that there was usually some cutie on the DUI page. You know. Likely a party girl who got tagged driving late on a party night. So my natural predatory / hunting instincts kicked in. FYI. I do not care how good we are to our SB's. We are ALL predators. I have a fake FB profile so would search them on FB. As their real name is provided in the mag. Sent some friend requests out. Knowing they are young and lets face it. A DUI is not cheap. Message out that I am looking for a lady benefactor and if they would have an interest. Voilla. I hit one! Have met FC twice. She has a BF. Not sure how long it will last but it is fun for now. And this may be a fertile hunting ground. What do you guys think? I love it, met a girl paying some fines at the police dept, I told her I could help her if she could help me, explained my wife was a little sick and wasn't up to some tasks at home and I didn't want to go looking on BP. I didn't even have to finish and she said thank you, you are so nice. Lasted 4 times her bill was paid after 2 times. She was 24 iwas 55.