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  1. #4820
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronny770  [View Original Post]
    I got to get me one, but wait. I just want to say BB LOVE you are the funniest reviewer I ever came across. When I first signed up for this site I read all your reviews and was crying laughing. You need to write a book or something.
    Aww thanks Ronny. You made my day. Mabye I will consider writing a book titled "The Life of a Craigslist Sperm Donor. ".

  2. #4819
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias  [View Original Post]
    Yeah, the "pretend to get my wallet" thing, which has occurred to 100% of concealed carriers when they've visualized a stand off, is pretty much guaranteed to fail in the case of an assailant actually covering you with a drawn firearm.

    Even assuming you train your concealed draw constantly (and you can get pretty fast), the time from draw, to presentation, to aim is much, much slower than the trigger action of a readied firearm. Of course, there are fighting systems designed for facing an armed opponent (krav maga comes to mind), but basically if you're in the unavoidable situation of having to engage a guy who's holding a gun on you, drawing yours is less effective than moving closer, pushing the gun hand aside, and taking it to the floor. This is a good time to carry a knife (which so many concealed carriers seem to neglect!

    But that's only if you KNOW the guy is shooting you regardless of compliance, like maybe it's a young thug out to prove himself. Otherwise, it's always going to be best to comply, lose some money, and call it a good story.

    And of course, simple protocols (like "never go to the Red Carpet Inn on Old National") can prevent robberies entirelyear old.

    O.

    ps. This post should end with the word "entirely", not "entirelyear old", but the Frankenstein's Monster set of out of control editorial settings of this forum fuck up any sentence ending in "Y" . I'm just leaving it as is as a monument to how not to program a forum.
    Good advice, Oz. And any seasoned monger knows not to bring a wallet stuffed with money and credit cards in the first place. Bring only what you can afford to lose!

  3. #4818

    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias  [View Original Post]
    Yeah, the "pretend to get my wallet" thing, which has occurred to 100% of concealed carriers when they've visualized a stand off, is pretty much guaranteed to fail in the case of an assailant actually covering you with a drawn firearm.

    Even assuming you train your concealed draw constantly (and you can get pretty fast), the time from draw, to presentation, to aim is much, much slower than the trigger action of a readied firearm. Of course, there are fighting systems designed for facing an armed opponent (krav maga comes to mind), but basically if you're in the unavoidable situation of having to engage a guy who's holding a gun on you, drawing yours is less effective than moving closer, pushing the gun hand aside, and taking it to the floor. This is a good time to carry a knife (which so many concealed carriers seem to neglect!

    But that's only if you KNOW the guy is shooting you regardless of compliance, like maybe it's a young thug out to prove himself. Otherwise, it's always going to be best to comply, lose some money, and call it a good story.

    And of course, simple protocols (like "never go to the Red Carpet Inn on Old National") can prevent robberies entirelyear old.

    O.

    ps. This post should end with the word "entirely", not "entirelyear old", but the Frankenstein's Monster set of out of control editorial settings of this forum fuck up any sentence ending in "Y" . I'm just leaving it as is as a monument to how not to program a forum.
    I should have been more specific. I have never had one pull a gun on me. What I meant by "drop on me" is that they have surprised me and are trying to strong arm me into giving up my gold. If someone has a gun pointed at me, they can have it all. I practice drawing, but I don't try to practice drawing it quickly. Mostly because I'm not that quick with my hands anymore, but also, I would imagine, a quick movement is likely to get a person shot whether the guy intended to shoot or not. And second, when I pull it in a smooth, calculated way. I have a better chance of getting it pointed in the right direction without shooting myself in the ass.

    This is a no shitter folks, it actually happened and this is how I remember it. The first time it happened to me was in 05 or 06 in, of all places Chattanooga. I suspect that if it had been in ATL, it would have been a completely different story. They guy came out of the bathroom yelling and screaming. He was a pretty big guy, not really muscular and not really fat, just big. I remember his hands were huge. I stepped back as far away as I could motioning him for calm saying ok ok, what do you want. He said money and cards. I said ok. I keep my gun in a holster in the back of my hip, not on the side. I pulled up on my shirt pulled the gun out instead of the wallet and pointed it at him. His attitude changed immediately. Honestly, I don't think I could have hit him even at close range, the adrenaline had me shaking and I couldn't even get my thumb to work right to make sure the safety was off. It was, but in the moment about a billion things were going through my head, I couldn't see anything but him. I could hear her yelling, but to this day couldn't tell you what she was saying.

    For the record, I wasn't brave, or cool, I wasn't Clint Eastwood, or Ice Cube, I was terrified, overcome with anxiety and extremely lucky. When I think about it, even today, I feel anxious and slightly nauseous.

    I actually hung up the hobby forever at that point vowing to never do it again. I held out for almost a year!

  4. #4817
    Quote Originally Posted by BBLove  [View Original Post]
    I prefer to keep my burner completely separate from my personal phone. If you have an app on your phone it can be tiresome turning on and off push notifications and deleting and redownloading it constantly if you have a SO that sometimes picks up your phone. I don't like to have to worry about covering my tracks like that, just an additional stress I don't need.

    I bought a cheap burner Tracfone flip phone for 10 bucks at Walmart. You get double minutes with the cheapie flip phone. You can add minutes with a card (by the phones in Walmart) I buy 60 minutes for like 20 bucks and it gives you 120 minutes and 90 days of service. All my provider contacts are stored in there. I never bring the phone home, it stays in my desk at work. I always pay cash for the time cards and for the purchase of the phone so it is untraceable. In the event of something going really wrong it would be easy to snap it in half and flush it or throw it off a bridge. 30 bucks to get started for the phone and service is cheap insurance for annonimity.
    I got to get me one, but wait. I just want to say BB LOVE you are the funniest reviewer I ever came across. When I first signed up for this site I read all your reviews and was crying laughing. You need to write a book or something.

  5. #4816

    Mitigate Your Losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias  [View Original Post]
    Yeah, the "pretend to get my wallet" thing, which has occurred to 100% of concealed carriers when they've visualized a stand off, is pretty much guaranteed to fail in the case of an assailant actually covering you with a drawn firearm.

    Even assuming you train your concealed draw constantly (and you can get pretty fast), the time from draw, to presentation, to aim is much, much slower than the trigger action of a readied firearm. Of course, there are fighting systems designed for facing an armed opponent (krav maga comes to mind), but basically if you're in the unavoidable situation of having to engage a guy who's holding a gun on you, drawing yours is less effective than moving closer, pushing the gun hand aside, and taking it to the floor. This is a good time to carry a knife (which so many concealed carriers seem to neglect!

    But that's only if you KNOW the guy is shooting you regardless of compliance, like maybe it's a young thug out to prove himself. Otherwise, it's always going to be best to comply, lose some money, and call it a good story.

    And of course, simple protocols (like "never go to the Red Carpet Inn on Old National") can prevent robberies entirelyear old.

    O.

    ps. This post should end with the word "entirely", not "entirelyear old", but the Frankenstein's Monster set of out of control editorial settings of this forum fuck up any sentence ending in "Y" . I'm just leaving it as is as a monument to how not to program a forum.
    O is completely right. Is your life worth what you are carrying in your pocket? Would you trade your life for the loss of pride to some asshole you will never see again?

    And by life, I'm not just talking about death. Also consider the ramifications of you coming out "ahead" in such a scenario? Consider the implications of you taking this fools life? By the time it's over, you'll probably wish you were dead.

    In this hobby, tenure is achieved by using real street smarts and avoiding problems. There is so much great, eager, safe pussy out there. Why risk ruining your life needlessly? Read. Don't be a fool. I'm in this hobby for great pussy and fun times, not to lose my life or spend time in the slammer.

  6. #4815
    Quote Originally Posted by PeteAppleSeed  [View Original Post]
    "If they get the drop on me, I pretend to get my wallet and draw on them".

    Just my humble opinion and not to get in an argument but I respectfully think this is a bad idea.

    The above quote looks like the pretense at a horribly ending story.

    I use my spider-monger radar instead of a 9. To protect myself and it's worked for decades.

    Never been robed or anything else.

    I usually smell trouble even by their ad or on the first call and I bail right then and there and not when I'm at the parking lot or in the room.

    In my case my brain has worked a lot better than a 9. Better results. And that's in life in general not only in mongering.

    Again, I say all this respectfully as only my opinion based on my experiences.
    Yeah, the "pretend to get my wallet" thing, which has occurred to 100% of concealed carriers when they've visualized a stand off, is pretty much guaranteed to fail in the case of an assailant actually covering you with a drawn firearm.

    Even assuming you train your concealed draw constantly (and you can get pretty fast), the time from draw, to presentation, to aim is much, much slower than the trigger action of a readied firearm. Of course, there are fighting systems designed for facing an armed opponent (krav maga comes to mind), but basically if you're in the unavoidable situation of having to engage a guy who's holding a gun on you, drawing yours is less effective than moving closer, pushing the gun hand aside, and taking it to the floor. This is a good time to carry a knife (which so many concealed carriers seem to neglect!

    But that's only if you KNOW the guy is shooting you regardless of compliance, like maybe it's a young thug out to prove himself. Otherwise, it's always going to be best to comply, lose some money, and call it a good story.

    And of course, simple protocols (like "never go to the Red Carpet Inn on Old National") can prevent robberies entirelyear old.

    O.

    ps. This post should end with the word "entirely", not "entirelyear old", but the Frankenstein's Monster set of out of control editorial settings of this forum fuck up any sentence ending in "Y" . I'm just leaving it as is as a monument to how not to program a forum.

  7. #4814
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteAppleSeed  [View Original Post]
    "If they get the drop on me, I pretend to get my wallet and draw on them".

    Just my humble opinion and not to get in an argument but I respectfully think this is a bad idea.

    The above quote looks like the pretense at a horribly ending story.

    I use my spider-monger radar instead of a 9. To protect myself and it's worked for decades.

    Never been robed or anything else.

    I usually smell trouble even by their ad or on the first call and I bail right then and there and not when I'm at the parking lot or in the room.

    In my case my brain has worked a lot better than a 9. Better results. And that's in life in general not only in mongering.

    Again, I say all this respectfully as only my opinion based on my experiences.
    Yep, I completely agree!

  8. #4813

    Bad idea.

    "If they get the drop on me, I pretend to get my wallet and draw on them".

    Just my humble opinion and not to get in an argument but I respectfully think this is a bad idea.

    The above quote looks like the pretense at a horribly ending story.

    I use my spider-monger radar instead of a 9. To protect myself and it's worked for decades.

    Never been robed or anything else.

    I usually smell trouble even by their ad or on the first call and I bail right then and there and not when I'm at the parking lot or in the room.

    In my case my brain has worked a lot better than a 9. Better results. And that's in life in general not only in mongering.

    Again, I say all this respectfully as only my opinion based on my experiences.

  9. #4812

    LE bust on news tonight

    Hope I'm posting in the right place, forgive me if not as I'm new to this board and The Hobby in general.

    I see there's going to be more coverage on BP busts tonight on Channel 2 WSB-tv. Might be worth a watch.

    Admittedly, all these busts have this guy rather fearful of how to navigate these waters for the first time! Be safe out there.

  10. #4811

    What are the chances

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParrot  [View Original Post]
    You hide your keys in the parking lot? That's is risky, what if someone sees you and steals your car?

    I got to at least bring the keys in with me. Sometimes I can't leave the phone behind, because sometimes the provider directs me every step of the way to their room. They don't always tell me the exact door number (which is annoying).
    Regular people don't steal cars only car thieves steal cars and what are the chances that a car thief will take a hike in the woods looking for keys for a car they want to steal.

  11. #4810

    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParrot  [View Original Post]
    You hide your keys in the parking lot? That's is risky, what if someone sees you and steals your car?

    I got to at least bring the keys in with me. Sometimes I can't leave the phone behind, because sometimes the provider directs me every step of the way to their room. They don't always tell me the exact door number (which is annoying).
    I cannot stand the cat and mouse. I get the general location, then the place then the room number, but if they try to tell me to park around back or whatever, I just ignore that. When they start playing the step by step thing, I usually tell them to give me the room number, if they insist I just bail half the time they go silent at that point anyways. Anytime I see a provider even if I have seen her several times, I usually bring my phone and my 9. I put the donation in an thank you card inside the envelope marked "gift", and leave my wallet at home. If they get the drop on me, I pretend to get my wallet and draw on them. Worst case, they get my locked phone, a donation and a thank you card. I have a keyless start on my car, so I usually have a spare key to an old car, they can have that if they want. I've only ever had to do this twice because I didn't check the bathroom carefully enough, both times I didn't look behind the closed shower curtain. I am fortunate that I have never had to actually pull the trigger. That would be decidedly inconvenient. .

  12. #4809

    Risky

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteAppleSeed  [View Original Post]
    LOL, that's pretty funny I actually don't bring either one of the phones and I don't even bring my keys into the room, I hide them somewhere in the parking lot, that way if I walk in and there's some trouble I'll play ultra dumb and tell them I walked in there by mistake I also speak some decent Spanish I'll even pretend I don't even speak English and tell them I'm lost and confused.
    You hide your keys in the parking lot? That's is risky, what if someone sees you and steals your car?

    I got to at least bring the keys in with me. Sometimes I can't leave the phone behind, because sometimes the provider directs me every step of the way to their room. They don't always tell me the exact door number (which is annoying).

  13. #4808

    Even further

    Quote Originally Posted by Barrytwins  [View Original Post]
    I personally don't take my burner phone to the room. I will take my regular phone. If by chance there is a "situation" with uncle LEO, my plan is to play dumb and say a buddy told me to come to the room and drop something off. I'm sure it won't work but at least there won't be proof of messages.
    LOL, that's pretty funny I actually don't bring either one of the phones and I don't even bring my keys into the room, I hide them somewhere in the parking lot, that way if I walk in and there's some trouble I'll play ultra dumb and tell them I walked in there by mistake I also speak some decent Spanish I'll even pretend I don't even speak English and tell them I'm lost and confused.

  14. #4807

    Phone

    Quote Originally Posted by YeOldHornDawg  [View Original Post]
    Appreciate all the burner phone / app advice, a lot of good information to consider.
    I personally don't take my burner phone to the room. I will take my regular phone. If by chance there is a "situation" with uncle LEO, my plan is to play dumb and say a buddy told me to come to the room and drop something off. I'm sure it won't work but at least there won't be proof of messages.

  15. #4806
    Quote Originally Posted by HeadHunting  [View Original Post]
    Hold up. RICO? When was this?
    Those agency busts around New Years. The customers were charged not only with solicitation but also RICO for "contributing to an ongoing criminal enterprise". Personally, I don't think it'll stick as it's hard to argue you're running a criminal organization when you're the customer but it just shows you, along with the agency owners being charged with human trafficking, just how hard they're going after the people in this industry.

    Seems like you're diluting the true intent of those types of indictments, namely to go after the real scumbags of the world when you apply it to people who aren't hurting a soul but that's just the hypocritical and corrupt nature of our government, I suppose.

    We really need to start electing more libertarians to office, they don't give a fuck what you do.

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