Bringing back some memories
Thanks, Bunker Buster, for sharing the news about Leyla. I patronized H & H off and on over several years, and I always found Leyla to be friendly and accommodating. Of course, I never told her what happened once the doors were closed.
A couple of providers come to mind when I recall my visits to Leyla's place. One was a Ukrainian gal, whose name eludes me, who gave good massages and even better service after the flip. One day I went back looking for her and found out she'd left. Leyla suggested a South American gal who'd just started working there. While friendly and attractive, she clearly wasn't in the same league.
Some time later I enjoyed a few sessions with a Middle Eastern provider, whose name also eludes me. Our last time together stands out because she ripped off the cover just before mounting me. That was one of the few experiences I've had with BBFS in a setting like that, and I found it to be both delightful and scary. It was delightful because it felt good, and as I recall she enjoyed it as well. But it was also scary since I wonder how many other mongers she serviced in a similar manner. Also, she didn't jump off in time and I occasionally wonder if I've got a kid out there that I don't know about. (That kid, if he or she exists, would now be in high school.) My circumstances changed soon thereafter and I never went back to H & H.
Looking for BBBJ / daty for reasonable prices
Please pm any suggestions. Preferably reachable by metro. Or who do outcalls to downtown dc where I will be working for a while. Many thanks. Wmt.
Always thought she threaded the needle perfectly
She remained opened for over 20 years at two different locations on a prominent DC thoroughfare in an upperscale part of the city. Now you couldn't do that with wall-to-wall hotties attracting lines out the door, and my guess is she knew that (she advertised in the AU student paper). But she also could not have helped but know which of her therapists (remember the white coats for a time?) were popular, and if she liked a long-time customer, what's the harm in making some recommendations, right?
Once the AMPs were run out of town, no doubt some overzealous law enforcer got it into his head to extend justice to upper Wisconsin. Probably not worth it to fight it at that point. I hope she had a peaceful last couple years of her life.
RIP Leyla from H&H
I was curious to see where Leyla, the owner of H&H, landed after the spa closed, and thought I'd look her up and say hello. Unfortunately, what I found was a legal notice appointing her son as trustee for her estate.
Leyla left us on September 17,2014. She was a nice lady who took a personal interest in her regulars. I never figured out how much she knew about what went on, but she seemed too savvy to be clueless.
For another chance to see her and hear her voice, here's a video of her promoting her coffee sauce. She apparently made a lot of money selling cookies in the 1980's.
To have her face in your cupboard, look for a jar of her coffee sauce.
I'm sorry I didn't look her up sooner, and have the chance to see her again while she was still alive. There will never be another like her.
Latinas in gburg info request
I went to this place in the past and posted my findings. Stopped going due to above average tipping expectations. Some of the girls are very pretty and service was good to very good but expensive. They are now advertising both lower prices and an Asian provider. Would appreciate any info about changes here and the Asian provider. Feel free to pm.
Checked them out on line, went without an appointment. In office park setting, I went on a weekend. Provider opens, young and pretty, very slim with perky tits. I asked for an hour, she asked if I had been before, I said no, she suggested half hour, I asked does it include TS, she said that is for hour only, I said let's go.
TS with her hands everywhere, nice, not rushed.
Massage was nice, actually decent therapy. Standard NOVA flip. Seems open minded for more with more $$.
Damage: . 6 + . 6.
Summary: I may return if with another provider. She did not do it for me but will please others.
International, I can help. Be careful in Dubai
If you want to play in Dubai, just go out dancing or to a bar and pick up a girl who lives there. The ratio of available men is tough, and I have been successful on one night stands. Be careful with the Russian models. They are incredibly expensive, used to being around millionaires and being spoiled for being pretty, and are usually not worth it. If you want a massage, just get one and do not expect anything after unless you go to an Asian provider. Then things will feel familiar when they whisper in your ear before the flip.
For the rest of Europe, the International version of this site has worked well for me, or just inbox me. I am new to the US, but know my way around Europe and Asia and will share to earn my place here.
While I hate that this has just become the nostalgia train thanks to DC being dead, I'll add my two cents.
Just found myself driving up Wisconsin the other day, and there's no trace of H&H anymore. Good times were had there, and the variety of not being an AMP (I did hit many of those too) was good. Anyone know if any of those girls are still around. I lost all my numbers when I had to ditch an old burner phone for security reasons.
Don't be too hard on AMPs for their advertising practices
There are some third-party services that are often hired to write and post the ads which is why so many of them look similar and use the same kinds of fake pics. So, if you go into a spa that you think might offer extras, but it doesn't happen for you, it's not an automatic conclusion that the place is playing some kind of bait-and-switch game.
Of course, there are plenty of reasons why even a known rub-and-tug shop may temporarily suspend extras (recent LE or county licensing attention, new management, new girls, etc.) so it's hard to know for sure. My rule of thumb is to assume a place is legit unless they've been mentioned on a review site or discussed in this forum. That way if something more happens, it's a pleasant surprise.
But either way (IMHO) if a massage is actually given then an appropriate tip is in order. I apply the same standard that I do to restaurant servers in that even below average service deserves something (even if only 5-10%) for the effort. For me to not leave any tip at all, the other person would have to do something that was clearly obnoxious or offensive.
One of my first AMP experiences was in DC, at a Korean place just south of Dupont, I think it was on 19th, a walk up, above some psychic. There was one girl there, Won, or something like that, that was amazing! I know it has since shut down.
Though it has been a few years, I'll be back in DC in a few weeks and wondering if there is any hope of finding a decent AMP? Is Qi Spa worth the visit? Or any others one might recommend?
Feel free to pm me.
AMP Tipping and protocol
I've been to two places where I stiffed on a tip. Both were "legit" places with ads strongly suggesting FBSM.
I've also walked out of two where the girl asked for what I considered to be an unreasonable amount. I'm not a negotiator, and I don't want a provider I've had to talk down from what she said she wanted.
I've been to a couple of FS places (in another city) where there was no discussion of money at all. You were assumed to know what to leave at the end. Very civilized.
In general, the Mamasan collects the house fee ($60-$80) when she leaves you in the room. For a HE, the girl may just rely on you to tip ($40+), or may want you to pay her before she proceeds.
In most FS places, the best practice is to leave the tip in visible place. Seems like the charge has crept up from $100 to $140 most places in recent years.
Still a bargain. You're dealing with professionals with a reputation to uphold. While they're putting themselves at risk, there's very little that can go seriously wrong for the customer. They're not going to rat you out if things go bad. Seldom to customers get busted in AMP raids. It's too tough to make the charges stick.
I agree 100% with JmSuttr's comments and would add that AMPs generally are the model of consistency in this strange and sometimes risky hobby. I'll follow up with a PM in a few minutes.
As in all things, it depends. Here are some general guidelines which you may need to adjust to specific circumstances. I'm sure other hobbyists will have their own opinions but I've never had any issues with these tip amounts over many years of hobbying.
For strictly legit massage: Sometimes you go into an AMP expecting extras and it just doesn't happen. IMHO, regular tipping protocols apply (10%-20% If you don't tip at all, unless you had the sh*ttiest service ever, you will have forever burned your bridge at that AMP (deservedly so, massage is not easy work). If you get a really outstanding massage and you think you'll visit again, consider tipping a bit extra because it will definitely be remembered on your next visit.
For FBSM, the tipping tends to be flat amounts which are more independent of the massage (and even the length of the appt) and more dependent on the sensual portion of the session. For a regular HE with the masseuse remaining fully clothed and no, or very limited roaming allowed, $40 is the tip amt I give and is what I've seen most often in this forum. Consider $60 if some clothes come off or more extensive UTC roaming is allowed, $80 if oral services are available (give or receive) and $100 for FS.
The most important point about these guidelines, IMHO, is they help you know when you're being played for a sucker (and not in a good way) if the girl gives you the hard sell and claims she "always" gets $100 for a HJ and clients are happy to pay just to be in her presence. If you get that line of BS, my advice is to decline any extras and say you just want the massage. Since AMP girls work on tips, she'll either give in or maybe just continue with what will probably end up to be a pretty crappy massage. But, unless you agreed to her upsell, you weren't going to get decent service anyway. So best to save your hard-earned $, chalk it up to experience and move on. And, if you're sure you'll never visit again, you could tip less than the guidelines (for legit massage) and tell her you didn't appreciate the upselling tactics. In some cases the girl will just stop completely if you decline extras because she doesn't want to waste her time. In such cases I fully endorse leaving no tip at all.
A couple of other points, hh appts may save a little $ on the front end but can often lead to rushed svc from even good AMP providers. I normally go for hr appts because it helps me better evaluate whether the girl is worth a repeat visit. And if you do find a gem and have a great time, always get her name and, if possible, her personal phone nr. That will help you keep track of her when (not if) she moves to another spa. Finally, if you do settle on one girl who gives you good svc, it's not a good idea to try another girl at the same spa. AMP girls are pretty possessive of their good clients and absolutely gossip about clients, so there's no way your visit will go unnoticed. So if you see a different girl don't be surprised if you get a negative reaction and / or lower quality svc from the regular girl. One possible exception to that advice is if your main girl goes on vacation. Asian women who go back to China / Korea / Thailand / wherever usually go for weeks or months. If that happens you should be able to see others at that spa without a problem.
So that's my 2 cents worth and I'm sure others will chime in with their advice. Good luck, stay safe and happy hunting!
Looking for some advice
So I'm obviously new to the AMP scene, but I wanted to get started on the right foot. I've searched around the forum for a bit but I'm still not clear. Can someone go over tipping with me. Specificlly if the house fee is. 4 for a hh what should the tip be for average service. And is that tip based on a percentage or is it flat. Also (and I this would be my burning question), would not tipping at all be on the level of blasphemy?
Sorry for piling on the nostalgia train, but the Accu reference hit home- there was a girl (can't remember her name) that rang my bells. Beautiful, smoking body, great attitude, and amazing everything else. I literally remember thinking, in the middle of her ministrations, "why did I get married, and / or why would I ever get married again?