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  1. #1764

    Hearsay Exclusion Rule

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerikson40  [View Original Post]
    Prosecutor: Your Honor, we have clear, irrefutable proof that the Defendant, "Jenna", did on multiple occasions perform sexual acts in exchange for money on the premises of the Boner Lounge. We submit Exhibits A thru DD, which are copies of internet posts made by a Mister "Bonerboy" describing these acts in detail.

    Judge: Miss, is your name "Jenna"?

    Girl: Um, like no way. Here's my I D and stuff. My name is Carolyn J. Funkenshruber.

    Judge: Okay, well, do you ever use the name "Jenna" when you're working at the Boner Lounge?

    Girl: Um, like, I'm not too sure, because, like, before I go to work we usually get together and snort a line, ummm, I mean, have a beer, so I'm usually totally fucked up when I'm at work. Not sure what name I tell guys.

    Prosecutor: Um, well, we have a witness your Honor, one Mister "Bonerboy" who has made many internet posts describing, in detail, his acts with "Jenna".

    Judge: Okay, Mister Bonerboy, did you perform those acts that you described in these posts? Specifically, did you "get some awesome UHM, fuck her brains out, and toss her a benjamin"?

    Bonerboy: Um, no. I made that shit up.

    Judge: Case dismissed. Next?
    Further, an internet post is obviously hearsay, and not admissible in the first place (unless the poster will come in and authenticate that he himself made the post, and that he is the one who committed the sexual acts, or witnessed them first hand, and it is all true). And for those smartypants, it does not fall under the "public record" exception.

    -Shark-.

  2. #1763
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCamel  [View Original Post]
    My friends Buddha / Baggens, to clarify for the record, youse guys missed part of my point. The most important part actually. And I'm agreeing with StormShadow that Bonedin is a whole new force. Actually I made the point initially.

    I wasn't carrying on the usual discussion / argument about the impact of explicit web posting on club security due to LE being tipped off by unwary posters. For years I've been screaming the same stuff you guys are. IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL as to LE getting in the way of the fun. Totally true that they know what's up and when certain factors and forces NOT including what is posted on this site or others cause them to move in they will move in.

    So my post had nothing to do with any LE paranoia. I was noting a sort of downhearted atmosphere, a tightening up of good open spirit if you will. I have observed this down sloping curve in the general atmosphere of Paradise in particular over the last few months and sharply lately. As I wrote, it has not affected the availability of Paradise extras for me in any way. They have been free flowing as always though a couple of the most outrageously out there dancers I know have been soliciting tips more than they did before and aren't as generous with their favors across the board as they once were said to be by the consensus.

    I speculated that Bonedin may very well be at the core of it. Its true that the explicit details are here on USA and other strip club sites as I posted for 15 years or more. But Bonedin has opened it up in a new way and I'm thinking there is major impact. Great for the guys, bad for the girls, and maybe a double edge sword for the guys as StormShadow posted. With all that has been posted on the other sites, it is not compiled or organized. Instead it is hard to find specific info about specific dancers and only a fraction of the whole get coverage or serious coverage. Names are strewn through lengthy trip reports separated by pages of unrelated posts.

    Bonedin is the only public website to my knowledge where dancer names are topics to be clicked on. Some private boards like DVCOI's have databases of the dancers that accomplish pretty much the same thing, but bonedin is unique in the public sector. It only has 2 elements of content: RTRCs and Dancer reviews organized by NAME!. No TRs, no general blogging about the clubs and other club topics, just a list of whose working and a list of all the dancers and what you can expect from them. So its two clicks to get the compiled intel on any dancer working in Paradise. So easy to find it all for anyone, including their co-workers which also means the managers. If these dancers lie to anyone more than they do to their customers, it is their co-workers including their best so-called friends who work in the clubs. Most dancers want the others to think that they basically ripoff dudes by doing next to nothing in dances and getting huge tips only because the dudes are hopeless losers who find them irresistible. Their version of their activities in the club is that they coax huge tips, they don't earn them. And then there is management who doesn't want to hear what goes on with customers and especially while they're extorting blowjobs from the girls who are missing shifts so the girls can avoid getting fined.

    Bonedin has placed the dancers' secrets in flames and exposed their lies and the reality of what's behind the cash they go home with to their bosses, co-workers, family, friends, bosses in their 2nd jobs, teachers at their Junior Colleges and vocational schools, et al. Information that is ORGANIZED has tremendously greater power to be accessed. What I'm thinking is the downhearted spirit I'm encountering recently in Paradise is all about chagrin.
    Hello old friends, I read this and thought I'd chime in. I second the arguments made by Camel in regards to the impact of bonedin. I, for one, have been a, sort of, victim (if you will) as a result of the easy access to information by both dancers and customers. When my reviews from here were posted on bonedin, I immediately lost access to the fun I once readily recieved by a short spinner who does greek (you probably know who I'm taking about). If you guys don't think that dancers check their own profiles and reviews, then think again, because they do -- after all, it's their reputation on the line. That said, I think bonedin is great, and I use it all the time, but beware of the reviews you write. Be sure that they don't identify you. Part of my loss of fun with that dancer was because of this (and I blame myself in part -- though I was writing it for this board, not bonedin), but it goes to show how you will eventually be shooting yourself in the foot when giving praise to a dance you received. Since then, I've been much less detailed / explicit, and most of the time, I just don't review. Nevertheless, the fun is still readily out there, so go get it.

    And play safe.

    InO.

  3. #1762
    Prosecutor: Your Honor, we have clear, irrefutable proof that the Defendant, "Jenna", did on multiple occasions perform sexual acts in exchange for money on the premises of the Boner Lounge. We submit Exhibits A thru DD, which are copies of internet posts made by a Mister "Bonerboy" describing these acts in detail.

    Judge: Miss, is your name "Jenna"?

    Girl: Um, like no way. Here's my I D and stuff. My name is Carolyn J. Funkenshruber.

    Judge: Okay, well, do you ever use the name "Jenna" when you're working at the Boner Lounge?

    Girl: Um, like, I'm not too sure, because, like, before I go to work we usually get together and snort a line, ummm, I mean, have a beer, so I'm usually totally fucked up when I'm at work. Not sure what name I tell guys.

    Prosecutor: Um, well, we have a witness your Honor, one Mister "Bonerboy" who has made many internet posts describing, in detail, his acts with "Jenna".

    Judge: Okay, Mister Bonerboy, did you perform those acts that you described in these posts? Specifically, did you "get some awesome UHM, fuck her brains out, and toss her a benjamin"?

    Bonerboy: Um, no. I made that shit up.

    Judge: Case dismissed. Next?

  4. #1761
    Quote Originally Posted by DildoBaggens  [View Original Post]
    Let's face it, in this day and age you have very little protection from unintended re-posting. Just google your "nom de plume" from this board and you'll find other archives that contain your writings. It really doesn't matter what's said on this or any other site, whether it's in code or Blatant. LE knows what goes on in these places. I have several friends in LE and they know explicitly the " Bad Things" people do in all facets of this hobby; It's tolerated until the surrounding community complains en masse or out of bounds behavior occurs at these establishments, (Gang activity, Drug dealings, violence. Etc. Etc). You are more apt to get a 502 after leaving these places, then getting popped inside for indecent behavior.

    Baggens.
    My friends Buddha / Baggens, to clarify for the record, youse guys missed part of my point. The most important part actually. And I'm agreeing with StormShadow that Bonedin is a whole new force. Actually I made the point initially.

    I wasn't carrying on the usual discussion / argument about the impact of explicit web posting on club security due to LE being tipped off by unwary posters. For years I've been screaming the same stuff you guys are. IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL as to LE getting in the way of the fun. Totally true that they know what's up and when certain factors and forces NOT including what is posted on this site or others cause them to move in they will move in.

    So my post had nothing to do with any LE paranoia. I was noting a sort of downhearted atmosphere, a tightening up of good open spirit if you will. I have observed this down sloping curve in the general atmosphere of Paradise in particular over the last few months and sharply lately. As I wrote, it has not affected the availability of Paradise extras for me in any way. They have been free flowing as always though a couple of the most outrageously out there dancers I know have been soliciting tips more than they did before and aren't as generous with their favors across the board as they once were said to be by the consensus.

    I speculated that Bonedin may very well be at the core of it. Its true that the explicit details are here on USA and other strip club sites as I posted for 15 years or more. But Bonedin has opened it up in a new way and I'm thinking there is major impact. Great for the guys, bad for the girls, and maybe a double edge sword for the guys as StormShadow posted. With all that has been posted on the other sites, it is not compiled or organized. Instead it is hard to find specific info about specific dancers and only a fraction of the whole get coverage or serious coverage. Names are strewn through lengthy trip reports separated by pages of unrelated posts.

    Bonedin is the only public website to my knowledge where dancer names are topics to be clicked on. Some private boards like DVCOI's have databases of the dancers that accomplish pretty much the same thing, but bonedin is unique in the public sector. It only has 2 elements of content: RTRCs and Dancer reviews organized by NAME!. No TRs, no general blogging about the clubs and other club topics, just a list of whose working and a list of all the dancers and what you can expect from them. So its two clicks to get the compiled intel on any dancer working in Paradise. So easy to find it all for anyone, including their co-workers which also means the managers. If these dancers lie to anyone more than they do to their customers, it is their co-workers including their best so-called friends who work in the clubs. Most dancers want the others to think that they basically ripoff dudes by doing next to nothing in dances and getting huge tips only because the dudes are hopeless losers who find them irresistible. Their version of their activities in the club is that they coax huge tips, they don't earn them. And then there is management who doesn't want to hear what goes on with customers and especially while they're extorting blowjobs from the girls who are missing shifts so the girls can avoid getting fined.

    Bonedin has placed the dancers' secrets in flames and exposed their lies and the reality of what's behind the cash they go home with to their bosses, co-workers, family, friends, bosses in their 2nd jobs, teachers at their Junior Colleges and vocational schools, et al. Information that is ORGANIZED has tremendously greater power to be accessed. What I'm thinking is the downhearted spirit I'm encountering recently in Paradise is all about chagrin.

  5. #1760
    Let's face it, in this day and age you have very little protection from unintended re-posting. Just google your "nom de plume" from this board and you'll find other archives that contain your writings. It really doesn't matter what's said on this or any other site, whether it's in code or Blatant. LE knows what goes on in these places. I have several friends in LE and they know explicitly the " Bad Things" people do in all facets of this hobby; It's tolerated until the surrounding community complains en masse or out of bounds behavior occurs at these establishments, (Gang activity, Drug dealings, violence. Etc. Etc). You are more apt to get a 502 after leaving these places, then getting popped inside for indecent behavior.

    Baggens.

    Quote Originally Posted by buddhahead  [View Original Post]
    There has been not so subtle public posting of deeds that have gone on in strip clubs for many years before bonedin, whether it was on zbone, this forum, or sfredbook (for SF clubs). It doesn't matter whether they are explicit or use code words like "high mileage" or UHM, the readers of these forums know what they mean. Blaming these boards is misguided. I agree with TheCamel's viewpoint. These boards were intended to be a source of information for customers, which the clubs wanted (maybe not the dancers), but had some unintended consequences. Don't blame the boards for these consequences or "careless posting" or "that fag who was copying and pasting reviews from here onto there." That's to be expected for any public internet forum.

  6. #1759
    Quote Originally Posted by StormShadow  [View Original Post]
    The careless posting on bonedin of every deed that goes on in these clubs is very much to blame here, but it all really started with that fag who was copying and pasting reviews from here onto there. Those folks really need to be more subtle about what they post. It doesn't take much to become a member to that site and, once you are, all that info is opened up for you.

    It's a double edged sword.
    There has been not so subtle public posting of deeds that have gone on in strip clubs for many years before bonedin, whether it was on zbone, this forum, or sfredbook (for SF clubs). It doesn't matter whether they are explicit or use code words like "high mileage" or UHM, the readers of these forums know what they mean. Blaming these boards is misguided. I agree with TheCamel's viewpoint. These boards were intended to be a source of information for customers, which the clubs wanted (maybe not the dancers), but had some unintended consequences. Don't blame the boards for these consequences or "careless posting" or "that fag who was copying and pasting reviews from here onto there." That's to be expected for any public internet forum.

  7. #1758
    The careless posting on bonedin of every deed that goes on in these clubs is very much to blame here, but it all really started with that fag who was copying and pasting reviews from here onto there. Those folks really need to be more subtle about what they post. It doesn't take much to become a member to that site and, once you are, all that info is opened up for you.

    It's a double edged sword.

  8. #1757
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCamel  [View Original Post]
    I was also there mid to late afternoon on New Year's Day and a couple of other times around the holidays. I also get a sense that something is just off in the joint. For me it wasn't a question of managerial scrutiny or any mileage deficits. It was all pretty much business as usual for me in the booths and $100 VIPs and I got all the wild elephant love I could handle and actually more than I wanted. But the dancers overall seem to be out of sorts and on NY Day most spent more time hiding in the back than hustling on the club floor. I know that's not uncommon but I thought it was more than usual with plenty of qualified boners and wallets in the house waiting for female companionship.

    My own speculation and it is nothing but that. I don't have any reliable insiders feeding me anything better than my own gut speculation, but I think many girls are unhappy with the downward pressure on dance prices that we're seeing now, and also I wonder if the fact that virtually every regular dancer in the COI clubs now have their official reputations up in glowing neon on these websites and most particularly bonedin is a source of discomfort for them. Well, I'm sure it is for most, but the question is how much discomfort. We've been reviewing COI dancers for more than 15 years on the internet but its never been organized the way bonedin sets it out. Click the dancer icon for a club and every name comes up and every review and comment about her in gruesome detail (guilty here!) is easily accessible. What they're doing for how much is now known to every other dancer in the joint and if you thought dancers share their menus with other dancers then you haven't been around very much. And then there's everyone else in their world having access to this easy intel. No search engine required. COI dancers have by far the highest percentage of review coverage on that site and only a handful of Paradise dancers aren't reviewed explicitly.

    Of course the management officially plays dumb to what goes on in the club but the denial is less credible than before since they supply the RTRCs and even post ads for the site on their walls. They apparently can't resist the market pressure but there's a cost to both the girls and the managers for them to be so easily on top of each girl's menu and reputation. Perhaps the recent development of Paradise and Synn posting more reliable RTRCs to their own websites is in part an effort to wean their customers off of bonedin since you can't comment on any of the dancers or anything at all publicly on the clubs' proprietary websites. Again I don't know. Just speculating, but seems like sphincters are tight these days in Paradise and in other COI clubs to a lesser extent. Of course I don't mean that literally!
    I would agree with your assessment of the club scene. It is just that I had never seen that guy come out 3 different times in an hour to check the booths and the girls did stay in the back most of the time.

  9. #1756
    Quote Originally Posted by Harleydudz  [View Original Post]
    Was at Paradise on NY Eve and NY day and both days seemed to have a strange vibe to them. Relatively few girls and while they all made the rounds and sat next to me and chatted, none of them gave me the nascar play and promised fun in the 3 4 1 like usual. Also, it seemed like the mgr / owner in the back room kept coming out and checking the booths to see who was there and what was going on. I have never seen that before .1st time that I had left the place shaking my head and wondering what happened. Did they get busted recently or? Maybe just an off couple of days due to the holiday.
    I was also there mid to late afternoon on New Year's Day and a couple of other times around the holidays. I also get a sense that something is just off in the joint. For me it wasn't a question of managerial scrutiny or any mileage deficits. It was all pretty much business as usual for me in the booths and $100 VIPs and I got all the wild elephant love I could handle and actually more than I wanted. But the dancers overall seem to be out of sorts and on NY Day most spent more time hiding in the back than hustling on the club floor. I know that's not uncommon but I thought it was more than usual with plenty of qualified boners and wallets in the house waiting for female companionship.

    My own speculation and it is nothing but that. I don't have any reliable insiders feeding me anything better than my own gut speculation, but I think many girls are unhappy with the downward pressure on dance prices that we're seeing now, and also I wonder if the fact that virtually every regular dancer in the COI clubs now have their official reputations up in glowing neon on these websites and most particularly bonedin is a source of discomfort for them. Well, I'm sure it is for most, but the question is how much discomfort. We've been reviewing COI dancers for more than 15 years on the internet but its never been organized the way bonedin sets it out. Click the dancer icon for a club and every name comes up and every review and comment about her in gruesome detail (guilty here!) is easily accessible. What they're doing for how much is now known to every other dancer in the joint and if you thought dancers share their menus with other dancers then you haven't been around very much. And then there's everyone else in their world having access to this easy intel. No search engine required. COI dancers have by far the highest percentage of review coverage on that site and only a handful of Paradise dancers aren't reviewed explicitly.

    Of course the management officially plays dumb to what goes on in the club but the denial is less credible than before since they supply the RTRCs and even post ads for the site on their walls. They apparently can't resist the market pressure but there's a cost to both the girls and the managers for them to be so easily on top of each girl's menu and reputation. Perhaps the recent development of Paradise and Synn posting more reliable RTRCs to their own websites is in part an effort to wean their customers off of bonedin since you can't comment on any of the dancers or anything at all publicly on the clubs' proprietary websites. Again I don't know. Just speculating, but seems like sphincters are tight these days in Paradise and in other COI clubs to a lesser extent. Of course I don't mean that literally!

  10. #1755

    Wierd vibe at paradise

    Was at Paradise on NY Eve and NY day and both days seemed to have a strange vibe to them. Relatively few girls and while they all made the rounds and sat next to me and chatted, none of them gave me the nascar play and promised fun in the 3 4 1 like usual. Also, it seemed like the mgr / owner in the back room kept coming out and checking the booths to see who was there and what was going on. I have never seen that before .1st time that I had left the place shaking my head and wondering what happened. Did they get busted recently or? Maybe just an off couple of days due to the holiday.

  11. #1754
    Quote Originally Posted by LargeEss  [View Original Post]
    Was back in NYC this past week and experienced my first actual peep show. It was kind of fun. I mentioned to a fuck buddy and she thought it would be cool to experience it together. Are there any live peep shows left in So. Cal?
    There is place on Lankershiem called Venus Fair.

  12. #1753

    Peep shows

    Was back in NYC this past week and experienced my first actual peep show. It was kind of fun. I mentioned to a fuck buddy and she thought it would be cool to experience it together. Are there any live peep shows left in So. Cal?

  13. #1752
    Quote Originally Posted by Vengo  [View Original Post]
    Stopped by COI in the afternoon, Paradise was pretty low key, but Harmony was back. Said she'd had a little girl who is now 2 months old, mama is no worse for wear, still looking great and giving great 3 for 1. Also did a session with Vanessa.

    Then I cruised by DVCOI to investigate those recent reports of nice Sundays. Will confirm. Although there were a whole lot of guys there for relatively few gals in the early pm, I still caught some stellar dances from little latina Carson and a stunningly gorgeous white gal whose name escapes me. A lovely way to spend a sunny Sunday. Later I stopped by Alhambra for a legit Chinese foot massage. Just what the doctor ordered.

    V.
    I went to dvcoi on a Sunday night a few weeks ago. It was crowded as hell. Standing room only, and the ratio of chicks to dicks was not favorable. Also seemed like there we're more pole cleaners / waitresses than there were dancers. And they were much cuter to boot!

  14. #1751

    Another Sunday in Paradise...

    Stopped by COI in the afternoon, Paradise was pretty low key, but Harmony was back. Said she'd had a little girl who is now 2 months old, mama is no worse for wear, still looking great and giving great 3 for 1. Also did a session with Vanessa.

    Then I cruised by DVCOI to investigate those recent reports of nice Sundays. Will confirm. Although there were a whole lot of guys there for relatively few gals in the early pm, I still caught some stellar dances from little latina Carson and a stunningly gorgeous white gal whose name escapes me. A lovely way to spend a sunny Sunday. Later I stopped by Alhambra for a legit Chinese foot massage. Just what the doctor ordered.

    V.

  15. #1750
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerikson40  [View Original Post]
    I'm confused...

    I haven't been to DVCOI in, like, forever, and I'm seeing reports that seem to imply that the standard lap dance price out on the floor is now $20. Is that true? It used to be $10, right? I know they have all kinds of specials and blue lights and stuff that are a good deal, but it's the standard lap price I'm wondering about.

    Thanks.
    The standard lap dance, meaning the topless area is still 10 dollars. And when they run the blue light special you would pay 20 dollars and you should be recieving 3 songs fo 20 dollars.

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