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  1. #3371

    It's Culture Not Demographics

    Quote Originally Posted by HeadBanger  [View Original Post]
    It goes down to demographics. The Phoenix area is heavily tilted red. Tucson has been hardcore blue for the past 4 decades plus. The Tucson scene is small and quality isn't as good as you'd find in bigger cities. I think the Airbase and University populate many of the Tucson clubs; hence their close proximity to those places.

    Not sure what's going on with Phoenix. We used to be more of a fiscal conservative place, but LEO has been coming down so hard on the fun trade that Dallas, Austin, and Houston are better cities for fun than here.

    Seems like the best places for fun are hardcore blue cities. One nice thing about Phx is how close we are to LA, Bay Area, and Vegas. Locals just need to be careful like Higgs says.
    I don't think that demographics has anything to do with it. Like was touched on before, most strippers in Phx are part time. They have full time jobs and strip on the side. So that is part of the reason why you get the whole gf regular bar act out here. The men are to blame because they condone it. So even the ones that are full time copy the part time strippers with service. But overall both are lazy as hell. I'm sorry I'm not chasing a funky ass stripper to talk to in a strip club. Makes no sense.

    So the dark secret out there is a lot of these PHX strippers LOVE coke. Easy to get extras if you have it, but myself personally I don't fuck with that. When I say I'm from Miami, they think cocaine cowboys. Once I tell them I'm not into that their attitude changes quick. So basically you got to treat them like a gf or have nose candy for faster transactions. This is not what I encounter with strippers from out of town they want those green backs no trades. Ha ha.

  2. #3370

    No Apps

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazie  [View Original Post]
    Anyone have the experience of a WYP woman or anyone else asking for money through a cash app? Was supposed to finally hook up today but she canceled due to having her period. Then tonight got a text that she needed a $25 loan til Friday and could I send it through an app. No way am I giving anybody cash electronically. Been trying to hook up but could not connect due to schedules. Thinking about it, she could have offered something else if on her period so obviously she is stringing me along. I do not plan to meet up with her.
    This has actually going on for about 4 or more years to my knowledge. I remember seeing BP ads for Paypal and other apps. The success rate isn't good because most of the escorts don't do it. I mean you pay first without seeing them and getting services? You would have to be a slow one to do this.

  3. #3369

    Short Valley club update

    I promised Bigtim47 that I would report on a gathering from about 3 weeks ago. That will happen soon but first this:

    The city hearing regarding Centerfolds was supposed to happen in October. It was postponed and is now happening Dec 1 (tomorrow). My sources believe the city will put off making a decision until January or perhaps February. I met a dancer at Essex last night (Wednesday) who seemed very excited about the club reopening and claimed it would happen in January. We'll see.

    Meanwhile, one of the signs in front of Centerfolds has been repaired and replaced. A couple of weeks ago there was a cable truck parked by the open front door.

    I noticed the Christies' on Northern (formerly Pink) is fenced off and has a construction dumpster in front. The Christies' signs in front and at the parking lot entrance are intact. I checked the tea leaves but the reading was murky. No idea what these things might indicate.

    I pulled up to Minks last night (Wednesday) around 8:30 PM to see an otherwise empty parking lot and a locked front door. All those relatively new flashing outside neon signs were ablaze. Lights are on but nobody's home. Two other vehicles pulled into the parking lot and left. I don't get the management of this club. Even with no dancers, surely they could have even one person open the place, serve some cheap beer, and play some canned music. I'll say more about my experience from last week in another post.

    Earlier last evening I drove by the club that is near 37 Ave and McDowell. It's had various names. Currently the signs says Strokers and something about being a premier nude establishment. One car outside. Didn't stop.

    Higgs.

  4. #3368

    Play Their Game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazie  [View Original Post]
    Anyone have the experience of a WYP woman or anyone else asking for money through a cash app? Was supposed to finally hook up today but she canceled due to having her period. Then tonight got a text that she needed a $25 loan til Friday and could I send it through an app. No way am I giving anybody cash electronically. Been trying to hook up but could not connect due to schedules. Thinking about it, she could have offered something else if on her period so obviously she is stringing me along. I do not plan to meet up with her.
    When they ask you to send (wire) or what ever method the new scam is to send money, play their game!

    Start asking them for personal info (full name, exact mailing address, birth date, phone number etc). Convincing them you will send the MONEY, but wanting to make sure it gets to the right place.

    They are so naive, they think you are actually going to send it!

    Then tell them you've made the transfer. Tell them you have an Email / receipt verification.

    They will go ballistic trying to find out why it is NOT in their account!

    Then end the fun by sending them a PICTURE of some 20's, 50's or 100's (have several pics of the green backs I keep).

    Politely tell them, they get the cash after your dick is rammed down their throat or crammed up their Pussy!.

    I get a kick out of the responses, accusing ME of being the SCAMMER! (LOL).

    JAMESJ.

  5. #3367

    Cash app scam

    Anyone have the experience of a WYP woman or anyone else asking for money through a cash app? Was supposed to finally hook up today but she canceled due to having her period. Then tonight got a text that she needed a $25 loan til Friday and could I send it through an app. No way am I giving anybody cash electronically. Been trying to hook up but could not connect due to schedules. Thinking about it, she could have offered something else if on her period so obviously she is stringing me along. I do not plan to meet up with her.

  6. #3366
    Quote Originally Posted by Deboinair  [View Original Post]
    Extremely surprising from what I've heard from people who've been to Tuscon and what Shy Nine said. You think it would the other way around since Phoenix is much bigger and supposedly faster city. Definitely will be going there. I still will warn people about Phoenix though. I don't want them to waste money and time. That's what this forum is for.
    It goes down to demographics. The Phoenix area is heavily tilted red. Tucson has been hardcore blue for the past 4 decades plus. The Tucson scene is small and quality isn't as good as you'd find in bigger cities. I think the Airbase and University populate many of the Tucson clubs; hence their close proximity to those places.

    Not sure what's going on with Phoenix. We used to be more of a fiscal conservative place, but LEO has been coming down so hard on the fun trade that Dallas, Austin, and Houston are better cities for fun than here.

    Seems like the best places for fun are hardcore blue cities. One nice thing about Phx is how close we are to LA, Bay Area, and Vegas. Locals just need to be careful like Higgs says.

  7. #3365

    Tucson Clubs

    Quote Originally Posted by HiggsBoson  [View Original Post]
    Skim through the Tucson club section. It won't be difficult to pick out.

    Higgs.
    They have closed curtains at Venom all the time for there VIP. The only time they'll enter is if your time pager has expired, or a dancer turns the flashing red light on when she's in trouble. Raiders and Curves isn't so private, but they really don't care if the fun fun is happening. As long as the club is making money and the dancers are paying the necessary employees they will always look the other way. Tds East is similar to that as well. And I'm assuming that Tds West is the same way, but unclear.

  8. #3364

    Re: Tucson

    Quote Originally Posted by DrPoon  [View Original Post]
    What is the top wildest club in Tucson called?
    Skim through the Tucson club section. It won't be difficult to pick out.

    Higgs.

  9. #3363

    Tucson

    What is the top wildest club in Tucson called?

    If ever in Tucson I can check it out although estimating the cost of gas there and back I could just get a BBBJCIM here instead.

    Tucson is a good waypoint when taking the Amtrak to BUR because there is a direct stopping point there at the airport there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deboinair  [View Original Post]
    I never ask these strippers what their plans are. I mean personally I'm not into talking to them like that. I've had strippers here in Phoenix get mad at me because I cut them short. I have an agenda. Either you are sucking or fucking or go the fuck away. In Phoenix, Vegas and Cali from my experience, they love to find that sucker that will chat them up and pay them for doing that. I once had a dumb ass stripper tell me she got paid $300 from a guy just from talking to her. She was from Phoenix, so I was like I bet you expect that to happen regularly. I asked her how many times has that happened for you. She was like 3 times. I thought she was lying, but overall three times and you expect that some idiot will do that do you consistently?

    I think Tuscon will be the spot for me as long as I live in AZ. I checked out the thread and it's some good info and way more people posting on their that have great stories. On the Phoenix thread there are only like three members that consistently post, but they have very lame and uninteresting info.

  10. #3362

    Good Post. Very Accurate

    Quote Originally Posted by HiggsBoson  [View Original Post]
    DN, Nagatron, Deboinair TwinTurbos and others.

    IMO you're all correct.

    A short comment which got out of hand:

    The Phoenix area is not a "Strip Club Destination". Dancers sometimes move to AZ because of the lower cost of living but then many are shocked to find the clubs don't pay well. Many hot dancers go elsewhere if they have no ties or obligations here. I've known some sexy dancers who moved to clubs in Atlanta, Miami, and pre-Harvey Houston. As DN suggested, you'll have to sample local clubs to find gems. IMO the dancers who are not originally from Phoenix may be more open to transactional arrangements because they have no local (family) ties who could disapprove of the activity. I agree local dancers may require more socializing. Yes, you may have to treat them more like girlfriends to convince them you're not LE, an alcohol bureau inspector, a pimp-wannabee, psychopath, or stalker. They may also be more aware of the social conservatism and the accompanying LE enforcement in Phoenix. (I know a local dancer whose in-club activity (not with me, damit) this year drew a $1000 fine and she had to engage a lawyer to fight it).

    There are some dancers out there who do the clubs for all their income but they are a small minority. Many are supplementing income from other jobs and a small number are local college students. There are a lot of single parents out there dancing while their kids are in school, day care, or being watched by an SO or relative. Realistically, dancing is a lot like a professional athletic career. Eventually, there will be an endpoint. The older dancers tend to extend their careers through augmentation; personality; persistence or aggression; and occasionally more GFE. The smarter dancers plan ahead for a post-dancing career.

    So, if you're pining for the great times in Miami, Atlanta or Houston, you're unlikely to duplicate that in Phoenix. Either book a flight, or get out to the Phoenix clubs and find those gems.

    Personally, I like to find dancers who are personable, give me a thrill, treat me nice, and don't try to drain my wallet when I see them. In return, I become a repeat customer, treat them nicely, buy them drinks, and not be a tightwad. This approach has opened many possibilities for me. You may have other opinions.

    As for what I post, I've mentioned before that I try to be discreet and not associate particular acts with named dancers, and sometimes try not to be too specific about the club. I know for a fact LE monitors this forum and I don't want to figuratively hang neon signs somewhere pointing to particular dancers. I may say a dancer unzipped me and wanted to bareback on the fourth song but I'm not going to say her name or the club. Occasionally I reply to PMs from regular veteran posters.

    The situation in Tucson is completely different. It appears LE down there doesn't really care a whole lot unless a club has a shooting or becomes a drug den. AFAIK only one club has been shut down in the last 20 years. Later it was resurrected under a new name but the club continues its wild reputation.

    Higgs.
    I would say all your points are correct. It's just shocking to see that this is one of the biggest cities in the USA operates like it was a bible belt town in Beaufort, South Carolina solely regarding the strip club scene. IMO I think the LE thing is a stretch. You guys are giving yourself a little too much credit. Most likely you have somebody who views this forum and goes reports to LE. I definitely think that is most likely the scenario from what of some posts I've read in this forum. The whole treating them like gf's and over paying is crazy. You may as well go to another bar. You can get the convo and everything without treating like a gf. I stay away from the ones that talk money every other sentence because they are usually scammers. It is what it is.

    Extremely surprising from what I've heard from people who've been to Tuscon and what Shy Nine said. You think it would the other way around since Phoenix is much bigger and supposedly faster city. Definitely will be going there. I still will warn people about Phoenix though. I don't want them to waste money and time. That's what this forum is for.

  11. #3361

    The Phoenix Strip Club Scene

    DN, Nagatron, Deboinair TwinTurbos and others.

    IMO you're all correct.

    A short comment which got out of hand:

    The Phoenix area is not a "Strip Club Destination". Dancers sometimes move to AZ because of the lower cost of living but then many are shocked to find the clubs don't pay well. Many hot dancers go elsewhere if they have no ties or obligations here. I've known some sexy dancers who moved to clubs in Atlanta, Miami, and pre-Harvey Houston. As DN suggested, you'll have to sample local clubs to find gems. IMO the dancers who are not originally from Phoenix may be more open to transactional arrangements because they have no local (family) ties who could disapprove of the activity. I agree local dancers may require more socializing. Yes, you may have to treat them more like girlfriends to convince them you're not LE, an alcohol bureau inspector, a pimp-wannabee, psychopath, or stalker. They may also be more aware of the social conservatism and the accompanying LE enforcement in Phoenix. (I know a local dancer whose in-club activity (not with me, damit) this year drew a $1000 fine and she had to engage a lawyer to fight it).

    There are some dancers out there who do the clubs for all their income but they are a small minority. Many are supplementing income from other jobs and a small number are local college students. There are a lot of single parents out there dancing while their kids are in school, day care, or being watched by an SO or relative. Realistically, dancing is a lot like a professional athletic career. Eventually, there will be an endpoint. The older dancers tend to extend their careers through augmentation; personality; persistence or aggression; and occasionally more GFE. The smarter dancers plan ahead for a post-dancing career.

    So, if you're pining for the great times in Miami, Atlanta or Houston, you're unlikely to duplicate that in Phoenix. Either book a flight, or get out to the Phoenix clubs and find those gems.

    Personally, I like to find dancers who are personable, give me a thrill, treat me nice, and don't try to drain my wallet when I see them. In return, I become a repeat customer, treat them nicely, buy them drinks, and not be a tightwad. This approach has opened many possibilities for me. You may have other opinions.

    As for what I post, I've mentioned before that I try to be discreet and not associate particular acts with named dancers, and sometimes try not to be too specific about the club. I know for a fact LE monitors this forum and I don't want to figuratively hang neon signs somewhere pointing to particular dancers. I may say a dancer unzipped me and wanted to bareback on the fourth song but I'm not going to say her name or the club. Occasionally I reply to PMs from regular veteran posters.

    The situation in Tucson is completely different. It appears LE down there doesn't really care a whole lot unless a club has a shooting or becomes a drug den. AFAIK only one club has been shut down in the last 20 years. Later it was resurrected under a new name but the club continues its wild reputation.

    Higgs.

  12. #3360

    This is Universal not a City thing LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Stomp2  [View Original Post]
    This might be a little off topic but got me to thinking about the time I had a stripper go ape shit on me (not in a good way)! Years ago I use to frequent the strip clubs with with friends mostly in Vegas. One place we had frequent a lot was the Olympic Garden. This place was rocking back maybe 20 years ago. But after the remodel of the place it had lost it charm! It has long shut down! We started checking out some of the other clubs and came upon The Library which is located about 10 minutes off the strip. Mostly a place for locals to visit. My buddy and I had hit it off with a couple of dancers. We got dances and chatted for most of the evening. I had this blonde stripper who had boobs the size of basketballs and my buddy had this seasoned stripper who had been stripping for many years. She must of been pushing close to 50 years in age but still look good! We were chatting it up at a table when my girl had to get up to dance and my buddy had to visit the john. That left me with the older stripper and we got to talking. She started to complain that she was not making any money stripping and went on and on! Even thought we had laid some serious cash that night on these girls! She said she did not not know if she was to continue stripping. So I asked her what else she could do, if she had some schooling, an education? Boy was I was wrong asking her that! She went off on me and used every word in the book and stormed off! My buddy came back and asked what happen. Our night there soon came to an end!
    I never ask these strippers what their plans are. I mean personally I'm not into talking to them like that. I've had strippers here in Phoenix get mad at me because I cut them short. I have an agenda. Either you are sucking or fucking or go the fuck away. In Phoenix, Vegas and Cali from my experience, they love to find that sucker that will chat them up and pay them for doing that. I once had a dumb ass stripper tell me she got paid $300 from a guy just from talking to her. She was from Phoenix, so I was like I bet you expect that to happen regularly. I asked her how many times has that happened for you. She was like 3 times. I thought she was lying, but overall three times and you expect that some idiot will do that do you consistently?

    I think Tuscon will be the spot for me as long as I live in AZ. I checked out the thread and it's some good info and way more people posting on their that have great stories. On the Phoenix thread there are only like three members that consistently post, but they have very lame and uninteresting info.

  13. #3359
    Quote Originally Posted by Deboinair  [View Original Post]
    This is a great HONEST AND ACCURATE POST. Great info. I'm not super young myself, so no it's not just your age. It's just how it is in Phoenix. A couple of things to note to help better understand is that a lot of Phoenix strippers work regular jobs and do the stripping part time. So confused because most places I've been strippers is what they do full time. LOL So that's where I see them having the audacity to think that you should talk to them like you would at a regular bar. A lot of the men obviously do it though. It's weird I never met so many strippers from Phoenix that have nothing to show for their stripping. A good portion do not have basic things like cars. If I were a woman, I could never let no dude touch me for $10 a song and not have anything to show for it.

    Was at Bliss yesterday and they have this new girl Half PR / Czech. Amazing face and body. No dice on the OTC. She is one of the ones that work full time and strips part time. She wasn't bad attitude wise but she moved out Phoenix and moved back. So she has the outside experience with this whole strip club industry. Got a few high mileage dancers from her, more than the normal but still not what I'm used. I'm going to have to check out Tuscon.

    I tend to stay away from Cali from what the negative I heard about them dancing 6 ft away and you can't touch the dancers. I know Vegas has some hot spots, but I'm not trying to pay killer prices. Thanks for the info. Will definitely have to check out Tuscon.
    This might be a little off topic but got me to thinking about the time I had a stripper go ape shit on me (not in a good way)! Years ago I use to frequent the strip clubs with with friends mostly in Vegas. One place we had frequent a lot was the Olympic Garden. This place was rocking back maybe 20 years ago. But after the remodel of the place it had lost it charm! It has long shut down! We started checking out some of the other clubs and came upon The Library which is located about 10 minutes off the strip. Mostly a place for locals to visit. My buddy and I had hit it off with a couple of dancers. We got dances and chatted for most of the evening. I had this blonde stripper who had boobs the size of basketballs and my buddy had this seasoned stripper who had been stripping for many years. She must of been pushing close to 50 years in age but still look good! We were chatting it up at a table when my girl had to get up to dance and my buddy had to visit the john. That left me with the older stripper and we got to talking. She started to complain that she was not making any money stripping and went on and on! Even thought we had laid some serious cash that night on these girls! She said she did not not know if she was to continue stripping. So I asked her what else she could do, if she had some schooling, an education? Boy was I was wrong asking her that! She went off on me and used every word in the book and stormed off! My buddy came back and asked what happen. Our night there soon came to an end!

  14. #3358

    Research Park

    Well the all nude strip club (Dream Palace) used to have free entry coupons from the other topless club north of it. But you had to buy two drinks though. Dream Palace is ok if you let it be known you are just there for watching and not for private dances. But first see about getting the free coupon.

    Also sometimes the research park there is known for hobbyists to go for car dates. I believe it is outside the jurisdiction of Scottsdale (being state land). So I think it is safe for car dates, I think.

  15. #3357

    Bunnys

    Any word on Bunnys? It's on McDowell east of 24th st. I was passing through the area and saw this club. It looks closed. What might be happening to this location?

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