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    Chrissy's Back

    A back shot from Chrissy taken yesterday. She is one of my favorite providers in Memphis and we go way way back.
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  2. #6886
    Quote Originally Posted by Gator145  [View Original Post]
    I agree with you whole heartedly. If one is stopped in any area known to be a high crime area lets hope they aren't careless enough to be doing anything that can be proved. That falls under the heading Cover ones ass.

    It matters little if one is guilty or innocent. The burden of proof still falls squarely upon the shoulders of the accuser. If the charges are serious enough, guilt or innocents will not be decided in the street. It goes before a judge or magistrate. LEO will not "go easy on someone if they come clean". They do not have that power at their disposal. Before someone is even approached by LEO the control room knows they are making a stop and the reasons for the stop. Also information related to the vehicle they are driving. Tag number, model, make etc is given the control room. It's a safety precaution. Therefore should someone be stopped in the areas described above They better have their "story" down. Again I do agree with you that LEO is not stupid. Anybody that thinks otherwise needs their head examined.

    Loitering will get one some unwanted attention. Each individual needs to come up with their own believable answer as to why they are in any one spot or chose not to discuss the issue. One is not required to explain to anybody anything if they are confident enough not to be doing anything illegal. Being in a high crime area is not illegal. Now, if LEO assumes one is doing something illegal again they need to be able prove the assumption. If they are then best thing to do again is keep quiet until they secure legal advice. I'm not talking about public defenders. In my eyes they are about as useless as tits on a bull. Real legal advice from a real attorney.

    In short your post is completely on point and well taken. We can only provide to those that ask the most sensible information that has worked for us or someone we know. Yet one size does not fit all. Never will. Whenever one attempts to engage in something they know is not legal then they should have an exit plan. Without it does not serve them well at all. The best advice any of us can offer is to cover ones ass. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.
    This is why one of my big issues with any regular SW I date I tell them from the door I will not take you to get meds do not have any crap on you on in your purse etc (pipe etc) if they do and catch them I will not only not see them again but I will literally dump them off at the first corner I can find the girls that know me know I won't play around with shit in my car I been stopped by LEO's plenty of times if you know the law and you got nothing in your car you can talk or bluff you way out of anything but if someone got shit on them you can be charged as well your car towed away etc.

  3. #6885

    CYA is each individuals responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by NvrStlPhilly  [View Original Post]
    Loitering has historically been treated as an inherent preceding offense to other forms of public crime and disorder, such as prostitution, begging, public drunkenness, dealing in stolen goods, scams, organised crime, robbery, harassment / mobbing, etc. Especially when criminal intent is suspected but not observed, loitering provides a lesser offense that can be used by police to confront and deter suspect individuals from lingering in a high-crime area. Local areas vary on the degree to which police are empowered to arrest or disperse loiterers; limitations on their power are sometimes made over concerns regarding racial profiling and unnecessary use of police force. The offense remains highly subjective: in many places, loitering is a crime in and of itself, while in others it is not, and serious criminal activity must be observed before police can confront any suspect.

    Cops aren't stupid which is why you can get arrested with a known prostitute in a high crime area. Buying meds if the badlands; still can be searched and stopped just for loitering with NO good reason.
    I agree with you whole heartedly. If one is stopped in any area known to be a high crime area lets hope they aren't careless enough to be doing anything that can be proved. That falls under the heading Cover ones ass.

    It matters little if one is guilty or innocent. The burden of proof still falls squarely upon the shoulders of the accuser. If the charges are serious enough, guilt or innocents will not be decided in the street. It goes before a judge or magistrate. LEO will not "go easy on someone if they come clean". They do not have that power at their disposal. Before someone is even approached by LEO the control room knows they are making a stop and the reasons for the stop. Also information related to the vehicle they are driving. Tag number, model, make etc is given the control room. It's a safety precaution. Therefore should someone be stopped in the areas described above They better have their "story" down. Again I do agree with you that LEO is not stupid. Anybody that thinks otherwise needs their head examined.

    Loitering will get one some unwanted attention. Each individual needs to come up with their own believable answer as to why they are in any one spot or chose not to discuss the issue. One is not required to explain to anybody anything if they are confident enough not to be doing anything illegal. Being in a high crime area is not illegal. Now, if LEO assumes one is doing something illegal again they need to be able prove the assumption. If they are then best thing to do again is keep quiet until they secure legal advice. I'm not talking about public defenders. In my eyes they are about as useless as tits on a bull. Real legal advice from a real attorney.

    In short your post is completely on point and well taken. We can only provide to those that ask the most sensible information that has worked for us or someone we know. Yet one size does not fit all. Never will. Whenever one attempts to engage in something they know is not legal then they should have an exit plan. Without it does not serve them well at all. The best advice any of us can offer is to cover ones ass. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

  4. #6884

    Always a good time

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttmmttmm  [View Original Post]
    Hi monger,

    Just wonder what's the best time to hunt in Phil?
    Junkies always need a fix, but if you are looking for the most quantity try before and after normal work hours. Girls know that's when guys are in transition from work to home. Many guys can't get out of the house once they are there. Avoid when school lets out as there is a lot of police and moms out.

  5. #6883

    Philly Tuned Up the Laws Somewhat

    Quote Originally Posted by Gator145  [View Original Post]
    What we all need to understand here is very simple. You don't have to give any reason to anybody as to what you are doing on the ave. Any more than why you may be at Penns landing or Pats Steaks. The ave is no different than any other place in the city. It's nobodys business what you are doing there. You have every right as an American citizen to be anywhere you chose to be. If you are asked by a cop what you are doing there you have two choices. Open your mouth and take your chances. They are banking on you to incriminate yourself. That's why they ask questions like that. They know you have no legal obligation to answer. They ask with the hopes of you spilling your guts. If you respond then you are asking for trouble.

    Your second option is to keep your mouth shut. Don't take any chances. When approached by a LEO you have but one obligation. Produce updated identification showing who you are. That's all you are required under the law to do. You don't have to engage in any exchange of conversation. If you open your mouth and say you are doing anything illegal they are obliged to arrest you. That's their job. That simple. If you are accused of any infraction of any law, you do not have to prove your innocents. They have to prove your guilt. If approached by any LEO be cordial and respectful..
    Loitering has historically been treated as an inherent preceding offense to other forms of public crime and disorder, such as prostitution, begging, public drunkenness, dealing in stolen goods, scams, organised crime, robbery, harassment / mobbing, etc. Especially when criminal intent is suspected but not observed, loitering provides a lesser offense that can be used by police to confront and deter suspect individuals from lingering in a high-crime area. Local areas vary on the degree to which police are empowered to arrest or disperse loiterers; limitations on their power are sometimes made over concerns regarding racial profiling and unnecessary use of police force. The offense remains highly subjective: in many places, loitering is a crime in and of itself, while in others it is not, and serious criminal activity must be observed before police can confront any suspect.

    Cops aren't stupid which is why you can get arrested with a known prostitute in a high crime area. Buying meds if the badlands; still can be searched and stopped just for loitering with NO good reason.

  6. #6882
    Quote Originally Posted by CookyJar  [View Original Post]
    Why did I stop doing outdoor shots? I haven't! I am just waiting on the right girl, the right location and the right situation.

    After finding a couple of nice inside locations (and one not so nice, but with a dancer's pole) moving inside seemed prudent. If I were to be truthful, I have gotten a little lazy and some of the enthusiasm is gone. Outdoor pictures take a different set of skills. Unless you are on private property and out of public view, there is a danger.

    I still have a few ideas for some outdoor photography I'd like to try.

    CookyJar.
    Nice post! Where did you exactly pick up these girls?

  7. #6881

    Travel to phil

    Hi monger,

    Just wonder what's the best time to hunt in Phil?

  8. #6880

    Good valuable info

    Quote Originally Posted by WashyWashy96  [View Original Post]
    Very good info Gator. Not trying to pick on anyone, but I just wanted to comment on this one part that is VERY important.

    You are under no obligation to say ANYTHING to a LEO. Never, ever, at any time are you required to answer anything you are asked. The 5th amendment gives us the right to remain silent and any lawyer will tell you that is exactly what you should do when ever you are question by an LEO. "My lawyer advised me not to talk to cops" is all you should say, if that. I don't answer questions is acceptable too. LEO can and will use anything you say against you no matter how insignificant you THINK it may be. Best bet is to always be silent and not give them ammo.

    That should be the extent of your interactions with LEO. Always be polite, but NEVER assume you can be friendly with a little chit-chat and they'll let you go because you weren't up to anything. Their job is to find people who they suspect of committing a crime. It doesn't effect them one way or the other if you're guilty of the crime they suspect or not, they aren't the judge or jury, they just need to justify their job and unfortunately the average US citizen their target.
    I am in complete agreement with your advice sir. 100%. Again I can't say it enough, if someone keeps their mouth shut they cannot incriminate themselves for anything. One must always keep in mind the Miranda warning. The most important part of the warning is this. "Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law".

    The exact wording does not have to be used. It just needs to be correct in meaning. So the very best thing one can do for themselves to preserve their freedom is to remain silent. No need to be combative or arrogant. No need for debate as to who's right or wrong. No need to be belligerent or antagonistic. Again be cordial. Understand that LEO is doing his job. They will do it with or without our cooperation. Even if he seems to be a bit over zealous. Let it go and walk free. They do not wish to deal with a person that is familiar with their rights. They would much rather deal with someone more compliant.

    It is my sensible thought on the subject that LEO is more in tune with the laws of the land than most Joe Citizens. So during any encounter understand they have the upper hand. That is why it is more than important to remember to keep ones cool. Observe the courtesy we might wish displayed to us. Think about what the entire encounter is about. Did we do anything to encourage the encounter? Not all encounters are bad with LEO. Many are just safety related. Tail light out or something else minor. They escalate into something larger because one party or the other didn't show the required respect. So always show respect no matter what may come out of LEOs mouth. Above all kill them with kindness. Don't be social, just respectful. Know ones rights without flexing ones muscle. You will win every time.

    LEO patrolling that area does not want to be your friend. They are your adversary. They look down on everyone in the neighborhood resident or visitor. So know that going in the door. They are in a tough area working. Not knowing if they are going home to their family after shifts end or to the hospital. They trust no one. So never trust someone that can't trust you. Understanding those points is your first step toward your security and safety.

    Continue to contribute whenever you have something important like your post. That information is very valuable to all. I've noticed over the years many people jump into this pool and don't find out till they are in the deep end that they can't swim. So we need to share what we have with all who will listen. There will be those who don't listen. You pass them all the time in hand cuffs against their car. Or up against some wall getting felt up. As time goes by they either learn or they leave the theater. What you offer is very useful and you are thanked for your post. Keep up the good work. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

  9. #6879
    Quote Originally Posted by Gator145  [View Original Post]
    ....
    Your second option is to keep your mouth shut. Don't take any chances. When approached by a LEO you have but one obligation. Produce updated identification showing who you are. That's all you are required under the law to do. .
    Very good info Gator. Not trying to pick on anyone, but I just wanted to comment on this one part that is VERY important.

    You are under no obligation to say ANYTHING to a LEO. Never, ever, at any time are you required to answer anything you are asked. The 5th amendment gives us the right to remain silent and any lawyer will tell you that is exactly what you should do when ever you are question by an LEO. "My lawyer advised me not to talk to cops" is all you should say, if that. I don't answer questions is acceptable too. LEO can and will use anything you say against you no matter how insignificant you THINK it may be. Best bet is to always be silent and not give them ammo.

    You do NOT need to produce identification unless you are under investigation or suspicion of committing a crime, in which case you DAMN WELL BETTER invoke your 5th amendment rights mentioned above. Requiring you do identify yourself without being under investigation is a violation of our 4th amendment which guarantees us protection against illegal search and seizure. If a LEO asks for identification you should say "what crime do you suspect me of committing? At that point they're going to have to tell you you're under investigation for a suspected crime (in which you remain silent and don't say a word until you talk to your lawyer) or they will say something to the effect that you're not under investigation to which your next response should be "then I am free to go, thanks have a nice day" and start walking.

    That should be the extent of your interactions with LEO. Always be polite, but NEVER assume you can be friendly with a little chit-chat and they'll let you go because you weren't up to anything. Their job is to find people who they suspect of committing a crime. It doesn't effect them one way or the other if you're guilty of the crime they suspect or not, they aren't the judge or jury, they just need to justify their job and unfortunately the average US citizen their target.

  10. #6878

    Strolling

    Quote Originally Posted by KStreetWatcher  [View Original Post]
    There are a lot of shops on the ave. Places that refurb house hold appliances. Just say your looking for a used washing machine.

    KSW.
    OK I have walked the toughest streets in Kensington and Camden in the early AM hours. I had two cops aims their glocks at me once in the Kenso badlands at 3 AM, one right at my head. OK if it's late and all the stores are closed except the Chinese take out you are going to be looked at by the cops. I just act like I belong but the things is with my ethnic make up I can kind of blend in but I am clean cut and clean dressed MOST of the hood rats aren't. ACT like you own the ave not like your a tourist. Someone talks at you respond but keep going you can act friendly. A lot of K&A people started to recognize me and accept me as part of the ave. I suggest going in the daytime if you can just to get a feel for the lay of the land and to observe what goes on.

    Good luck.

    KSW.

  11. #6877

    What are you doing out here?

    Quote Originally Posted by GlennBobb  [View Original Post]
    If cops ask you say you are visiting X business type. It's a good idea to remember some names and when they are open. You don't want to be looking for a used bike at 11 pm, but you are willing to drive to this Chinese food place that has great fried dumplings for a late night snack.

    If a local hood asks you tell them I'm walking. Then break off all conversation. They want to see if they can sell you something or if you act afraid. If you pay them as much attention as a stray dog they will move on to the next person. Don't make yourself an easy mark. The more unpleasant you look the least likely they will try to engage you.
    What we all need to understand here is very simple. You don't have to give any reason to anybody as to what you are doing on the ave. Any more than why you may be at Penns landing or Pats Steaks. The ave is no different than any other place in the city. It's nobodys business what you are doing there. You have every right as an American citizen to be anywhere you chose to be. If you are asked by a cop what you are doing there you have two choices. Open your mouth and take your chances. They are banking on you to incriminate yourself. That's why they ask questions like that. They know you have no legal obligation to answer. They ask with the hopes of you spilling your guts. If you respond then you are asking for trouble.

    Your second option is to keep your mouth shut. Don't take any chances. When approached by a LEO you have but one obligation. Produce updated identification showing who you are. That's all you are required under the law to do. You don't have to engage in any exchange of conversation. If you open your mouth and say you are doing anything illegal they are obliged to arrest you. That's their job. That simple. If you are accused of any infraction of any law, you do not have to prove your innocents. They have to prove your guilt. If approached by any LEO be cordial and respectful. Not always but they sometimes may try to push your buttons with accusations. Deny everything or better yet don't debate with them. If they have something on you they will lock you up then and there and let district attorney sort it out. Its really that simple. Can't do much about that. If you "come clean" expecting special treatment forget it. You won't get it. They are just trying to build a case against you. When you are on the stroll for any reason, no matter if you just stop to get a hair cut, nobody you encounter, regular joe or Johnny law, nobody has your best interest in mind but you. Remember that always. Everyone out there has an ulterior motive. EVERYONE. So keep your mouth shut and your wits about you in peak form and you will be fine. Here's a tidbit you may not have thought of. If you give up your right to remain silent then they will have a field day with your ass. If you keep your mouth shut you can't incriminate yourself. Me, I'm just an 'OL Gator.

  12. #6876

    Say it with confidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Kbear6577  [View Original Post]
    Hey guy first let me thank you for the sharing and valuable info. Still fairly new to the area. Not much presence on this board but much more input on others. Will see what I can do to do my part. Understand the give and take. I am not new to the game but very new to this area and do not know the Ave at all. Personally I think some of these girls are beautiful. Thinking about taking a stroll down the Ave and wanted to ask some advice. In the event I look terribly out of place and get questioned by anyone what are some reasons I would have to be down there other than the obvious? Are there any good places to eat or stores I could be going to? Appreciate any help. Happy hunting all!
    If cops ask you say you are visiting X business type. It's a good idea to remember some names and when they are open. You don't want to be looking for a used bike at 11 pm, but you are willing to drive to this Chinese food place that has great fried dumplings for a late night snack.

    If a local hood asks you tell them I'm walking. Then break off all conversation. They want to see if they can sell you something or if you act afraid. If you pay them as much attention as a stray dog they will move on to the next person. Don't make yourself an easy mark. The more unpleasant you look the least likely they will try to engage you.

  13. #6875

    Strolling

    Quote Originally Posted by Kbear6577  [View Original Post]
    Hey guy first let me thank you for the sharing and valuable info. Still fairly new to the area. Not much presence on this board but much more input on others. Will see what I can do to do my part. Understand the give and take. I am not new to the game but very new to this area and do not know the Ave at all. Personally I think some of these girls are beautiful. Thinking about taking a stroll down the Ave and wanted to ask some advice. In the event I look terribly out of place and get questioned by anyone what are some reasons I would have to be down there other than the obvious? Are there any good places to eat or stores I could be going to? Appreciate any help. Happy hunting all!
    There are a lot of shops on the ave. Places that refurb house hold appliances. Just say your looking for a used washing machine.

    KSW.

  14. #6874

    Reasons To Be On The Ave?

    Hey guy first let me thank you for the sharing and valuable info. Still fairly new to the area. Not much presence on this board but much more input on others. Will see what I can do to do my part. Understand the give and take. I am not new to the game but very new to this area and do not know the Ave at all. Personally I think some of these girls are beautiful. Thinking about taking a stroll down the Ave and wanted to ask some advice. In the event I look terribly out of place and get questioned by anyone what are some reasons I would have to be down there other than the obvious? Are there any good places to eat or stores I could be going to? Appreciate any help. Happy hunting all!

  15. #6873
    Is that a lamp shade on Sasha's head?

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