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  1. #7366
    Quote Originally Posted by Bonneville  [View Original Post]
    Another provider at an apartment complex on Glenwood charged yesterday. Don't know if she was UTR, AAMP out of the Apt or if that is just where they caught up with her and she works at a store. The crack down continues.
    I never knew this one existed and it's in my area.

  2. #7365

    Trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by XHippie  [View Original Post]
    The store Owners and workers travel and live very lite. They have minimal furniture in their apartment and the workers often live out of a suit case. This is all by choice they must be ready to move to another job quick that may be in another city or state. So you see if an American that lives in a house packed with furniture and other things walk into one of these stores or apartment and a girl is sleeping there and all she has is a suit case well she's got to be there against her will right? These massage jobs are ALL part time jobs these aren't career jobs. If one of us or someone in LE or the massage board went to Beijing for a part time job not knowing what city we would be in or even how long we would be in the country would we go out and buy lots of furniture and what not to lug around Of course not we would need to travel lite. What evidence is giving these people these Asian girls are part of human trafficking other than their own opinion? Has just one girl said I am being forced to work here? So far it's just been the opinion of one side. I have two words for the accusers PROVE IT!, Truth and evidence seems to be in short supply these days for just about anything printed, said in the media and on social media. If someone is forcing some girls I agree hell yea shut them down with no mercy. A lot of bull shit to sort through in everything we hear and read on any subject. Everyone wants you to believe what benefits their agenda without REAL evidence!
    I'm sure these girls are saying they are forced to work there if they think it will get them out the door sooner.

  3. #7364

    Aamp

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonneville  [View Original Post]
    Another provider at an apartment complex on Glenwood charged yesterday. Don't know if she was UTR, AAMP out of the Apt or if that is just where they caught up with her and she works at a store. The crack down continues.
    I guess I can get charged with with giving haircuts in my garage without a license. The NC Board of Barber Examiners doesn't care even if I put an ad on BP or CL saying "Lucky $7 Haircut Specials" so why should the NC Massage Board care about a girl doing a rubdown in her apartment? IMO they are trying to make a point and shut down all Asians from doing anything remotely associated with "Massage" work. Somebody is getting paid on the NC Massage Board!

  4. #7363

    Re

    Quote Originally Posted by XHippie  [View Original Post]
    The store Owners and workers travel and live very lite. They have minimal furniture in their apartment and the workers often live out of a suit case. This is all by choice they must be ready to move to another job quick that may be in another city or state. So you see if an American that lives in a house packed with furniture and other things walk into one of these stores or apartment and a girl is sleeping there and all she has is a suit case well she's got to be there against her will right? These massage jobs are ALL part time jobs these aren't career jobs. If one of us or someone in LE or the massage board went to Beijing for a part time job not knowing what city we would be in or even how long we would be in the country would we go out and buy lots of furniture and what not to lug around Of course not we would need to travel lite. What evidence is giving these people these Asian girls are part of human trafficking other than their own opinion? Has just one girl said I am being forced to work here? So far it's just been the opinion of one side. I have two words for the accusers PROVE IT!, Truth and evidence seems to be in short supply these days for just about anything printed, said in the media and on social media. If someone is forcing some girls I agree hell yea shut them down with no mercy. A lot of bull shit to sort through in everything we hear and read on any subject. Everyone wants you to believe what benefits their agenda without REAL evidence!
    Their are no Asian Girls here.

    I cannot think of one Asian woman that I have seen under the age of 28, unfortunately most are in the 40 to 70 range. In the Raleigh area as far as the stores go, I have never seen one instance of trafficking.

  5. #7362

    Misunderstanding

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt309  [View Original Post]
    Just saw where wral reported that the police chief said its hard to imagine these girls and young women were there by choice. Can someone tell me where the girls and young women were? I made my rounds there and always had a mature lady that was nice and always in a good mood and performed a legit massage. Local media and le is just blowing everything out of porportion and creating local hatred towards these establishments. Its really sad.
    The store Owners and workers travel and live very lite. They have minimal furniture in their apartment and the workers often live out of a suit case. This is all by choice they must be ready to move to another job quick that may be in another city or state. So you see if an American that lives in a house packed with furniture and other things walk into one of these stores or apartment and a girl is sleeping there and all she has is a suit case well she's got to be there against her will right? These massage jobs are ALL part time jobs these aren't career jobs. If one of us or someone in LE or the massage board went to Beijing for a part time job not knowing what city we would be in or even how long we would be in the country would we go out and buy lots of furniture and what not to lug around Of course not we would need to travel lite. What evidence is giving these people these Asian girls are part of human trafficking other than their own opinion? Has just one girl said I am being forced to work here? So far it's just been the opinion of one side. I have two words for the accusers PROVE IT!, Truth and evidence seems to be in short supply these days for just about anything printed, said in the media and on social media. If someone is forcing some girls I agree hell yea shut them down with no mercy. A lot of bull shit to sort through in everything we hear and read on any subject. Everyone wants you to believe what benefits their agenda without REAL evidence!

  6. #7361

    Practice massage therapy without a license.

    Another provider at an apartment complex on Glenwood charged yesterday. Don't know if she was UTR, AAMP out of the Apt or if that is just where they caught up with her and she works at a store. The crack down continues.

  7. #7360

    Knightdale

    Just saw where wral reported that the police chief said its hard to imagine these girls and young women were there by choice. Can someone tell me where the girls and young women were? I made my rounds there and always had a mature lady that was nice and always in a good mood and performed a legit massage. Local media and le is just blowing everything out of porportion and creating local hatred towards these establishments. Its really sad.

  8. #7359

    Amp fun

    Well again our fun has been shut down. This area has no fun for men. No full nude clubs, no happy happy. Po po running fake ads to entrap us poor working folk who just need some attention.

    CL is a joke, you post a m4 w and get 100 fake replies.

    Bookstores are nasty and need bleaching.

  9. #7358

    Back Walk

    Quote Originally Posted by John252  [View Original Post]
    Zen.

    Missed warning.

    A shame. Where to go for a Shiatsu?

    Seriously?

    Still another place still open, I've seen a pile of mattresses. That seemed more an issue with trafficking.

    Who is open that walks on backs?
    Go to 0007 on Capitol Blvd for The best Chinese back walk she has massage license and is small but strong. It's strictly massage don't expect to be giving or receiving any touching no HE but you will get a great massage.

  10. #7357
    Zen.

    Missed warning.

    A shame. Where to go for a Shiatsu?

    Seriously?

    Still another place still open, I've seen a pile of mattresses. That seemed more an issue with trafficking.

    Who is open that walks on backs?

  11. #7356

    Yea what Purple said

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple45  [View Original Post]
    Now after reading the Federal Law does Human Trafficking (HT) or Sex Trafficking (ST) apply to the cases that we have seen in the RTP area? No because the ladies that I know willing look for a job and they willing come if the owner of the business wants their services. Does long hours equate to HT? No! Does getting a ride from a place of residence to work equate to HT? No! Does a woman who willing gives a HJ equate to ST? No! This scenario could equate to a commercial sex act if she says give me $X amount and I'll perform a HJ. However, if a woman does a HJ for the purpose of complete body relaxation and no money is asked for in return then to me this is not a commercial sex act but a choice between to adults. So, the NC Massage Board and their lawyer, Charles Wilkins, are full of it! Right now they are winning the PR battle. The presiding judge needs to scrutinize LE's requested warrant more carefully and the District Attorney needs to step up and defend these women's rights and not succumb to the bullying of the NC Massage Board and their legal team.

    Federal Law
    1. Human trafficking, also known as trafficking in persons (TIP), is a modern-day form of slavery. It is a crime under federal and international law; it is also a crime in every state in the United States.

    A. Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purposes of a commercial sex act, in which the commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act has not attained 18 years of age (22 USC 7102).

    B. Labor trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purposes of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery, (22 USC 7102).

    Definitions
    1. Involuntary servitude: a condition of servitude induced by means of any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that, if the person did not enter into or continue in such condition, that person or another person would suffer serious harm or physical restraint; or the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process (22 USA C. 7102 (6)).

    2. Debt Bondage: The status or condition of a debtor arising from a pledge by the debtor of his or her personal services or of those of a person under his or her control as a security for debt, if the value of those services as reasonably assessed is not applied toward the liquidation of the debt or the length and nature of those services are not respectively limited and defined (22 USA C. 7102 (5)).

    3. Coercion:

    (A) threats of serious harm to or physical restraint against any person;.

    (B) any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that failure to perform an act would result in serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; or.

    (C) the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process (22 USA C. 7102 (3)).

    4. Commercial Sex Act: The term "commercial sex act" means any sex act on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person (22 USA C. 7102 (4)).
    When I think of sex / human trafficking I think about an individual sometimes families giving a shit head all their money on the Texas border to get them across in a 150 degree truck usually locked. Or 80 people on a boat made for 10 or a Pimp that controls where his girls sleep, eat, drink, wear, how much they get to keep and what drugs he usually keeps them hooked on while working in the heat and cold. ASIAN girls fly over here on a plane and can work anywhere and for anybody they choose. Do they have to work hard to make cash, do they have to pay rent ah yes so do we. In fact they are more free than Americans they aren't chained to a 401 K and mortgage obligation. They paid the airline for the ticket, it's all legit. It's so easy to throw the human traffic image on the Massage business but it simply isn't true. Have you been trying to figure out what's true or false in our political system or what ANY news channel says? Good luck! The massage board and the news stories are saying human trafficking, well slap me silly the suits said it So it must be true. Hey Martha come here and look at the TV they just said that massage store where you get your nails done is doing human trafficking. I knew them Chinese were up to no good. And that's the way the Massage Board wants public opinion.

    I will agree with the massage board and the law that operating without a massage license is a reason to close a store until the workers can get their license. But they have set up a system of such strict English standards it is Impossible for the Asians to get their license. They must pass the TOEFL exam with crazy high scores no matter if they made it through a Board approved massage school, this is their loop hole to run them out of town and it's working. In this cruel and prejudice process the board has become as bad as the dude with the 150 degree truck. In fact this has made MANY Asians that wanted to start their legit massage business with family go the other way. Depending how old you are your grand parents or further back to great grand parents, either started their own business or they worked for someone that couldn't speak perfect English that came here across the big pond and worked their ass off creating a business. Working from 9 in the morning till 11:00 pm then had to clean their store then finally eat something and take a bath and get ready to get up in a few hours and do it again. While usually being ripped off by a landlord charging them too much and too lazy or cheap to take care of repairs, sound like anyone else that's here try to make a business work? This part of our heritage and history called the American Dream which requires a little Mercy is fading each day not saying it's right or wrong but it's happening. My point is these Asians are coming here for the American Dream, get that cash get that green card get that good looking American man to marry. But there are those slapping them in the face with denial and labeling them as being part of human trafficking. Massage Board, LE, Governor, and Nosey business neighbors THEY ARE FREE to go and come as they wish, For God Sake let them have their license to run their business just maybe they will pay some taxes and you can actually get a raise cause there will be more tax revenue. See how we are all connected! Now all of what I just said and Purples explanation may sound like damn it's like reading a fuckin novel "that's the point" the Massage Boards message to the media and their regulations has worked, we are not taking about getting ASIAN pussy!!

  12. #7355

    Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnor  [View Original Post]
    You just described a form of human trafficking.
    If your job requires long hours and you refuse and lose your job are you being trafficked?

  13. #7354

    AMPs & the NC Massage Board

    Now after reading the Federal Law does Human Trafficking (HT) or Sex Trafficking (ST) apply to the cases that we have seen in the RTP area? No because the ladies that I know willing look for a job and they willing come if the owner of the business wants their services. Does long hours equate to HT? No! Does getting a ride from a place of residence to work equate to HT? No! Does a woman who willing gives a HJ equate to ST? No! This scenario could equate to a commercial sex act if she says give me $X amount and I'll perform a HJ. However, if a woman does a HJ for the purpose of complete body relaxation and no money is asked for in return then to me this is not a commercial sex act but a choice between to adults. So, the NC Massage Board and their lawyer, Charles Wilkins, are full of it! Right now they are winning the PR battle. The presiding judge needs to scrutinize LE's requested warrant more carefully and the District Attorney needs to step up and defend these women's rights and not succumb to the bullying of the NC Massage Board and their legal team.

    Federal Law
    1. Human trafficking, also known as trafficking in persons (TIP), is a modern-day form of slavery. It is a crime under federal and international law; it is also a crime in every state in the United States.

    A. Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purposes of a commercial sex act, in which the commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act has not attained 18 years of age (22 USC 7102).

    B. Labor trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purposes of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery, (22 USC 7102).

    Definitions
    1. Involuntary servitude: a condition of servitude induced by means of any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that, if the person did not enter into or continue in such condition, that person or another person would suffer serious harm or physical restraint; or the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process (22 USA C. 7102 (6)).

    2. Debt Bondage: The status or condition of a debtor arising from a pledge by the debtor of his or her personal services or of those of a person under his or her control as a security for debt, if the value of those services as reasonably assessed is not applied toward the liquidation of the debt or the length and nature of those services are not respectively limited and defined (22 USA C. 7102 (5)).

    3. Coercion:

    (A) threats of serious harm to or physical restraint against any person;.

    (B) any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that failure to perform an act would result in serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; or.

    (C) the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process (22 USA C. 7102 (3)).

    4. Commercial Sex Act: The term "commercial sex act" means any sex act on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person (22 USA C. 7102 (4)).

  14. #7353

    I Think

    Quote Originally Posted by Pubb69  [View Original Post]
    Not buying the human trafficking either as it simply does not happen at these places. If they do not work long hours will they lose their jobs? Yes. Will they lose their support in the USA And have to go back to Asia? Probably.
    You just described a form of human trafficking.

  15. #7352

    Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple45  [View Original Post]
    The news articles says that Zen Massage, at 4021 Village Park Drive and a business at 905-A McKnight Drive, which we know as Rainbow Spa, were both searched. The article also says that LE had received complaints about the two businesses for more than a year. Kimberly Lloyd, a hair stylist at Ron Carlos Salon next to Zen Massage told WRAL, "You see older men, younger men coming in and out. You're like, what are they doing down there?" I would have said, "Men are getting a massage!" and "What are older women, younger women coming in and out of Ron Carlos Salon?" IMO nothing more than the usual salon gossip session.
    Pure jealousy, she has no business so she complains about the people that do. In some ways it is prejudice because they simply want these people out. Not buying the human trafficking either as it simply does not happen at these places. If they do not work long hours will they lose their jobs? Yes. Will they lose their support in the USA And have to go back to Asia? Probably. Are they being forced to do something they don't want to do? I have never seen one instance of it, they came here willingly to make money and in most cases send it back home to support their families.

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