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  1. #14599
    Quote Originally Posted by FarFarAway  [View Original Post]
    I have a SB I haven't seen in 6 months (I've been out of the bowl b / c of a mishap). She is an incredibly hot fitness model, half my age, Russian. Yes, I know their reputation as mercenaries. We had great chemistry and she was unhappy I had to stop. Me too. I had located her true identity, I have her resume, home address, etc. I am still anonymous to her. We are back in touch and will meet soon. I must economize for bowl activities, and am thinking that going to her place instead of getting a hotel would enable us to keep seeing each other. What are the +/- of proposing this to her? I would basically need to come out with the fact that I know her real identity.
    I'd keep the fact you already know her identity secret. It might seem like revealing that you already know it gives you leverage, but chances are it would work against you. Use tact to propose the idea of her hosting, and sell the idea by highlighting that it results in more sugar for her because you don't need to pay for a room; as long as you approach that negotiation from the proper angle, there is really no downside to doing so. The worst she can do is say no she can't host -- and there could be lots of reasons (like a live-in bf or gf that she never talks about).

  2. #14598

    Advice

    I have a SB I haven't seen in 6 months (I've been out of the bowl b / c of a mishap). She is an incredibly hot fitness model, half my age, Russian. Yes, I know their reputation as mercenaries. We had great chemistry and she was unhappy I had to stop. Me too. I had located her true identity, I have her resume, home address, etc. I am still anonymous to her. We are back in touch and will meet soon. I must economize for bowl activities, and am thinking that going to her place instead of getting a hotel would enable us to keep seeing each other. What are the +/- of proposing this to her? I would basically need to come out with the fact that I know her real identity.

  3. #14597

    ItsPamela on SA

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidad  [View Original Post]
    Salty, you've been hoodwinked. This is Pam of "Pam and Maddy" fame; she is from Richmond and has been in the game (and chasing the dragon) in the area for years. Early to mid 2017 they were working out of a crappy house in Midlo, lately she has been hosting (solo I think) at her BFs house in the East End. Her reviews have been very YMMV but she is a straight up pro.
    I connected with her on SA and had a dream (that I reviewed) a few weeks back. Killer DT. A real pro! And the pus was wet and tight. She is solo. Damage was much higher than it should have been. I thought she was an SB, not a BP provider at the time. Had I known I would not have offered $$. My bad.

    But the picture is at least several years and 30 (or more) pounds ago. She was not what I expected looks-wise. I'm used to that with BP but not SA.

    She says she has roommates that are flight attendants so they arent there often so I can't say if the apt is her BFs or not. It was comfortable and clean when I was there and she didint seem paranoid or in any kind of hurry.

    I think I read too that she took a short vaca recently but IDK what it was about.

    Be safe!

  4. #14596

    Agree

    I agree with all your points. And I have tried to follow all rules that you guys quoted here in all my meets and conversation.

    In my defense, I can say that I was nowhere close to desperate during our M&G. It was about an hour casual conversation, and we said bye with an agreement to schedule something again. As you said there are just too many possibilities here, and based on my experience I had to follow my gut and let it go. Although, it would have been nice if she could come along.

    Appreciate your feedbacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    I agree with your thought that this is over thinking. I'd also mention that if you act like this it is easy to come across desperate. Desperation will either scare girls off, or in some cases cause them to use the desperation as a means to take advantage of an SD. I'm not saying the OP is desperate, but is dangerously close to looking like it.

    It's been said on this thread many times before, but it is best to use the "abundance theory". Always behave, even if it's not true, that you have an abundant number of options. Women will find that more attractive. You will be seen as less likely to get attached, bring drama or come across like a stalker.

    Best luck searching.
    Quote Originally Posted by CephlapodLove  [View Original Post]
    I dunno, hard to tell what are all of the facts, but I'd say one was over thinking the situation. First one thought a girl was spying on you, now one thinks they are working in packs? Hey, could be. But number one thing is this TRUST YOUR GUT! If you are freaked out about the girl watching you before the date shows up. By all means ASK the date if she had a look out. Then carefully watch her response. Second, might make some sense like OP suggested that all conversation during the M&G should be aimed at getting her into the FC. She balks or has no firm plan of when that will happen. Move on.

    For me the described situation would have freaked me out when I first started in the bowl. I was aware of everything around me and suspicious of stuff that was probably innocuous. But with time, one develops some "Spidey Senses" that are more in tune. That said at any level of experience, when the Spidey Senses make one uncomfortable it is time to back off or move on. I have had buddies who try to "manipulate" a girl to their needs / wishes. This isn't a game of Survivor! Most of the time the guys tried playing games with a girl, it ended badly for him! But when things don't seem right, just back off. As OP have said, plenty of fish in the sea.

    But the case one described could be where the SB thought about it & got cold feet? Maybe for whatever reason she found some trait she didn't like? The smartest way to say "no thanks" for her, in that situation, is to quote a high number that you won't agree to. That way she never actually turns you down, you turn her down.

    So don't over think things, move on, With experience one will learn to adjust and avoid these girls and this kind of thing won't be an issue / bothersome.

    Good Luck!
    Quote Originally Posted by EvilTmp  [View Original Post]
    Dude, about 75% of the people seeking advice on here can be answered with "just stop being so fucking thirsty and desperate". Any pro / semi-pro girl on SA will feed off guy's desperation and use it to bleed them dry.

  5. #14595
    Senior Member


    Posts: 474

    Deceived

    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDog2016  [View Original Post]
    RVA brothers,

    This cutie was once on my SA to-do list when she lived in VB, she's since moved to RVA and I never had the opportunity. She's recently hmu asking if I could help and I just don't get up that way often. Thus, I wanted to ensure y'all had the chance to help her out. Mid 20's, no restrictions. Not sure of your financial obligations but she's super cool to talk with. If you're interested PM me and I'll put you in contact with her.

    All I ask is you have some forum credibility and please dont hmu if you dont contribute to the sharing of information in here.

    Thanks,
    Salty.
    Salty, you've been hoodwinked. This is Pam of "Pam and Maddy" fame; she is from Richmond and has been in the game (and chasing the dragon) in the area for years. Early to mid 2017 they were working out of a crappy house in Midlo, lately she has been hosting (solo I think) at her BFs house in the East End. Her reviews have been very YMMV but she is a straight up pro.

  6. #14594
    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    I agree with your thought that this is over thinking. I'd also mention that if you act like this it is easy to come across desperate. Desperation will either scare girls off, or in some cases cause them to use the desperation as a means to take advantage of an SD. I'm not saying the OP is desperate, but is dangerously close to looking like it.

    It's been said on this thread many times before, but it is best to use the "abundance theory". Always behave, even if it's not true, that you have an abundant number of options. Women will find that more attractive. You will be seen as less likely to get attached, bring drama or come across like a stalker.

    Best luck searching.
    Dude, about 75% of the people seeking advice on here can be answered with "just stop being so fucking thirsty and desperate". Any pro / semi-pro girl on SA will feed off guy's desperation and use it to bleed them dry.

  7. #14593
    I agree with your thought that this is over thinking. I'd also mention that if you act like this it is easy to come across desperate. Desperation will either scare girls off, or in some cases cause them to use the desperation as a means to take advantage of an SD. I'm not saying the OP is desperate, but is dangerously close to looking like it.

    It's been said on this thread many times before, but it is best to use the "abundance theory". Always behave, even if it's not true, that you have an abundant number of options. Women will find that more attractive. You will be seen as less likely to get attached, bring drama or come across like a stalker.

    Best luck searching.

    Quote Originally Posted by CephlapodLove  [View Original Post]
    I dunno, hard to tell what are all of the facts, but I'd say one was over thinking the situation. First one thought a girl was spying on you, now one thinks they are working in packs? Hey, could be. But number one thing is this TRUST YOUR GUT! If you are freaked out about the girl watching you before the date shows up. By all means ASK the date if she had a look out. Then carefully watch her response. Second, might make some sense like OP suggested that all conversation during the M&G should be aimed at getting her into the FC. She balks or has no firm plan of when that will happen. Move on.

    For me the described situation would have freaked me out when I first started in the bowl. I was aware of everything around me and suspicious of stuff that was probably innocuous. But with time, one develops some "Spidey Senses" that are more in tune. That said at any level of experience, when the Spidey Senses make one uncomfortable it is time to back off or move on. I have had buddies who try to "manipulate" a girl to their needs / wishes. This isn't a game of Survivor! Most of the time the guys tried playing games with a girl, it ended badly for him! But when things don't seem right, just back off. As OP have said, plenty of fish in the sea.

    But the case one described could be where the SB thought about it & got cold feet? Maybe for whatever reason she found some trait she didn't like? The smartest way to say "no thanks" for her, in that situation, is to quote a high number that you won't agree to. That way she never actually turns you down, you turn her down.

    So don't over think things, move on, With experience one will learn to adjust and avoid these girls and this kind of thing won't be an issue / bothersome.

    Good Luck!

  8. #14592

    Over Thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by Apothecary  [View Original Post]
    Bottom line, my conclusion, the person (lets call her Granny) who was texting me was not the one who showed up. My gut feel was right, they work in groups. Perhaps Granny schedules the meets, comes to the M&G place first, clears the air and then as soon as SD comes in, SB is informed and now she can walk in. Since it's been a week, Granny has no idea what arrangements were made with me because I tricked her with a different number and has no recollection of any conversation. I understand she could technically meet with 10 different guys but there's no way one can forget specific details of an hour meeting just a week ago. If it was the same SB, then there's no way someone can blackout on an hour conversation after a week. So I guess this is how new agencies are targeting guys now using SA. There's no cost of maintaining a website, its all free and they have no fear of being called illegal!!
    I dunno, hard to tell what are all of the facts, but I'd say one was over thinking the situation. First one thought a girl was spying on you, now one thinks they are working in packs? Hey, could be. But number one thing is this TRUST YOUR GUT! If you are freaked out about the girl watching you before the date shows up. By all means ASK the date if she had a look out. Then carefully watch her response. Second, might make some sense like OP suggested that all conversation during the M&G should be aimed at getting her into the FC. She balks or has no firm plan of when that will happen. Move on.

    For me the described situation would have freaked me out when I first started in the bowl. I was aware of everything around me and suspicious of stuff that was probably innocuous. But with time, one develops some "Spidey Senses" that are more in tune. That said at any level of experience, when the Spidey Senses make one uncomfortable it is time to back off or move on. I have had buddies who try to "manipulate" a girl to their needs / wishes. This isn't a game of Survivor! Most of the time the guys tried playing games with a girl, it ended badly for him! But when things don't seem right, just back off. As OP have said, plenty of fish in the sea.

    But the case one described could be where the SB thought about it & got cold feet? Maybe for whatever reason she found some trait she didn't like? The smartest way to say "no thanks" for her, in that situation, is to quote a high number that you won't agree to. That way she never actually turns you down, you turn her down.

    So don't over think things, move on, With experience one will learn to adjust and avoid these girls and this kind of thing won't be an issue / bothersome.

    Good Luck!

  9. #14591
    Quote Originally Posted by GenXer  [View Original Post]
    Has anyone had any luck with Above_average1? I've seen her profile for a long time and can't even get the time of Day from her. Her few pics she's shown over the years are extremely hot. Just curious. I usually have pretty good angles of approach. But not with her.
    Tell her this: that you've been admiring her for many years and that your life is incomplete without her. That you'll do anything just to get a shred of attention and really, if she gives you a small chance she'll see what a great guy you are and that she's been wrong to ignore you all these years. Tell her you two are meant to be together and that you can make each other very happy. Or you can 'just move on'.

  10. #14590

    Above Average

    Has anyone had any luck with Above_average1? I've seen her profile for a long time and can't even get the time of Day from her. Her few pics she's shown over the years are extremely hot. Just curious. I usually have pretty good angles of approach. But not with her.

  11. #14589
    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDog2016  [View Original Post]
    RVA brothers,

    This cutie was once on my SA to-do list when she lived in VB, she's since moved to RVA and I never had the opportunity. She's recently hmu asking if I could help and I just don't get up that way often. Thus, I wanted to ensure y'all had the chance to help her out. Mid 20's, no restrictions. Not sure of your financial obligations but she's super cool to talk with. If you're interested PM me and I'll put you in contact with her.

    All I ask is you have some forum credibility and please dont hmu if you dont contribute to the sharing of information in here.

    Thanks,
    Salty.
    I've looked for this one on SA but haven't been able to find her.

  12. #14588
    Quote Originally Posted by Apothecary  [View Original Post]
    So based on some of your suggestions I reached out to that SB I met for M&G (no allowance was asked / given for M&G) (case#2). Just to test the case again, I used a different number and said we met last week, gave all sorts of details and reminded her who I was. This one tells me oh I can not meet you because you said you could not afford me during our meet. I was like what do you mean, we agreed on everything and we were supposed to meet again this week with allowance. I asked what was the allowance that you asked for and I did not agree with and then she quoted me some high allowance and said you did not agree to that.

    In reality in that M&G we never talked about any allowance. In fact during texting before M&G, we had agreed on a set amount that was lower than what she asked now. So then I confronted her with some details of conversation and asked do you remember what we discussed on this and that conversation etc. And not to be surprised that person had no idea what I was talking about.

    Bottom line, my conclusion, the person (lets call her Granny) who was texting me was not the one who showed up. My gut feel was right, they work in groups. Perhaps Granny schedules the meets, comes to the M&G place first, clears the air and then as soon as SD comes in, SB is informed and now she can walk in. Since it's been a week, Granny has no idea what arrangements were made with me because I tricked her with a different number and has no recollection of any conversation. I understand she could technically meet with 10 different guys but there's no way one can forget specific details of an hour meeting just a week ago. If it was the same SB, then there's no way someone can blackout on an hour conversation after a week. So I guess this is how new agencies are targeting guys now using SA. There's no cost of maintaining a website, its all free and they have no fear of being called illegal!!

    So I am glad I trusted my gut and did not follow up last week itself. Although I am sure if I used the earlier number / SA account to contact, the SB will show up. But I just cannot support these agencies flourishing like that.

    I am not sure how I can prove this to SA either so that her account can be disabled.

    But I guess learn and live. Be Careful Guys!!
    Another lesson learned. When something doesn't feel right, just move on to the next regardless of how hot she may be. Just too many fish in the sea to get bogged down with one nut case.

  13. #14587

    UPDATE: Strange

    So based on some of your suggestions I reached out to that SB I met for M&G (no allowance was asked / given for M&G) (case#2). Just to test the case again, I used a different number and said we met last week, gave all sorts of details and reminded her who I was. This one tells me oh I can not meet you because you said you could not afford me during our meet. I was like what do you mean, we agreed on everything and we were supposed to meet again this week with allowance. I asked what was the allowance that you asked for and I did not agree with and then she quoted me some high allowance and said you did not agree to that.

    In reality in that M&G we never talked about any allowance. In fact during texting before M&G, we had agreed on a set amount that was lower than what she asked now. So then I confronted her with some details of conversation and asked do you remember what we discussed on this and that conversation etc. And not to be surprised that person had no idea what I was talking about.

    Bottom line, my conclusion, the person (lets call her Granny) who was texting me was not the one who showed up. My gut feel was right, they work in groups. Perhaps Granny schedules the meets, comes to the M&G place first, clears the air and then as soon as SD comes in, SB is informed and now she can walk in. Since it's been a week, Granny has no idea what arrangements were made with me because I tricked her with a different number and has no recollection of any conversation. I understand she could technically meet with 10 different guys but there's no way one can forget specific details of an hour meeting just a week ago. If it was the same SB, then there's no way someone can blackout on an hour conversation after a week. So I guess this is how new agencies are targeting guys now using SA. There's no cost of maintaining a website, its all free and they have no fear of being called illegal!!

    So I am glad I trusted my gut and did not follow up last week itself. Although I am sure if I used the earlier number / SA account to contact, the SB will show up. But I just cannot support these agencies flourishing like that.

    I am not sure how I can prove this to SA either so that her account can be disabled.

    But I guess learn and live. Be Careful Guys!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Apothecary  [View Original Post]
    So guys I never knew this treasure of knowledge existed here about SB / SD. I was trying there as a lone wolf so far. Few successes and few setbacks. But man, you brothers! I am glad I found you all.

    I am curious to hear your thoughts on couple of these cases:

    1. Now a few handful times it happened that I have been texting with SBs for couple of weeks. We agreed on all logistics, details, place to meet etc. They show you all sorts of pics including the ones you will want to jump in phone itself. When the day comes to meet, suddenly texts are becoming rare to none and then vanished. Not just one SB but multiple SBs and not in the same city occurrence made me feel annoyed. Not sure what the heck went wrong, especially when even the day before everything is sounding perfect. I never go into too details either, I am not into any of those crazy explorations either.

    2. Now hear this. !! One time found someone at SA, within couple of texts she quotes me xxx amount to meet, and asked me to text. Red flag me thinking may be a Pro. Not to my surprise, when I asked for pics on texts, she sends me the ones you won't resist. Later through texting seems normal, so I decided to meet in person for a meet and greet. Just to test the water.

    But here's the weirdest thing ever, as I walked into that restaurant, I got my eyes on a lady (late 20's, early 30's) sitting there who was looking at me. You know that when someone is keeping an eye on you. While I am talking to the attendant, with my corner eyes I noticed that she said something like "he's here!! " Now I don't know for sure if that was for me or someone else, but I could read her lips saying that. Then in couple minutes this hottie SB shows up to meet me.

    In conversation she seems perfectly normal, talks about her plans of life etc. And we seem to have absolutely normal conversation for almost an hour. Meanwhile within 30 minutes in conversation, I noticed that lady met some other lady and after few minutes they both left while I am still talking to this SB.

    Since I came back from there, I have this bad feeling of that other lady's look and what she said on phone to someone else. May be I am over thinking here, but it was really strange. This SB has her profile for over a year on SA. After that meeting, I briefly texted with thank you and said we could schedule something. She did not contact back yet. I am not sure if I should contact again. Very confused, she was really hot. !!

    Am I overthinking here?

    What do you experts say about two of my strange experiences? Any feedback is appreciated.

  14. #14586

    SB tests

    Don't know if others seen this.

    Had a POT apparently give my text to one friend to act like a POT.

    And another started something on the site all of a sudden.

    Best as I can tell they were watching out for each other.

    Can't tell you what they were comparing or how judging my creep factor. I asked once what that was all about.

    Got a little giggle and that's all.

  15. #14585

    Flaking

    Quote Originally Posted by Apothecary  [View Original Post]
    So guys I never knew this treasure of knowledge existed here about SB / SD. I was trying there as a lone wolf so far. Few successes and few setbacks. But man, you brothers! I am glad I found you all.

    I am curious to hear your thoughts on couple of these cases:

    1. Now a few handful times it happened that I have been texting with SBs for couple of weeks. We agreed on all logistics, details, place to meet etc. They show you all sorts of pics including the ones you will want to jump in phone itself. When the day comes to meet, suddenly texts are becoming rare to none and then vanished. Not just one SB but multiple SBs and not in the same city occurrence made me feel annoyed. Not sure what the heck went wrong, especially when even the day before everything is sounding perfect. I never go into too details either, I am not into any of those crazy explorations either.

    2. Now hear this. !! One time found someone at SA, within couple of texts she quotes me xxx amount to meet, and asked me to text. Red flag me thinking may be a Pro. Not to my surprise, when I asked for pics on texts, she sends me the ones you won't resist. Later through texting seems normal, so I decided to meet in person for a meet and greet. Just to test the water.

    But here's the weirdest thing ever, as I walked into that restaurant, I got my eyes on a lady (late 20's, early 30's) sitting there who was looking at me. You know that when someone is keeping an eye on you. While I am talking to the attendant, with my corner eyes I noticed that she said something like "he's here!! " Now I don't know for sure if that was for me or someone else, but I could read her lips saying that. Then in couple minutes this hottie SB shows up to meet me.

    In conversation she seems perfectly normal, talks ....

    What do you experts say about two of my strange experiences? Any feedback is appreciated.
    So. Maybe my $0. 02 is different.

    We used to call these cock teasers.

    They never intended to go to the FC.

    Got to learn to weed them out soon so you don't waste your time. I always do M&G within a week. If not, move along.

    Then after a pleasant meet will push hard and if cannot.

    Seal deal in week, move along.

    Don't get too chatty. Even in the bowl there is a friend zone thing of sorts.

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