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  1. #14609

    P2 P on SA & WYP

    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    I got the same pop up today. Seems like a CYA move by SA. I assumed it was something they made everyone check off, but I wonder if it was based on my communication. I never discuss "pay for play", but I do discuss starting with a "pay per meet" allowance if things go well.

    The check box disclaimer makes it clear they don't encourage "pay per meet " allowances. If the allowance isn't in return for intimacy, I'm not sure I understand the concern. Isn't that the premise of WYP?
    Which one of the sites are you talking about? WYP or SA as both are mentioned.

    If one reads the disclaimers when contacting someone on WYP it is made VERY clear that while one IS paying for a date that intimacy / sexual contact is NOT to be expected. I know, I almost missed it when I was on WYP. I think we have been conditioned to just click through "the fine" print to get where we want to go. But the disclaimers are there.

    What is likely going on with SA and any disclaimers is that Wade is trying to save or insulate his cash cow. LE and AGs across the country got the CC companies to stop accepting payments from BackPage (BP). BP switched to using Bitcoin. Now the Cartel have put additional pressure on BP and BP eliminated any text / description in the posts / advertisements. So the adds can be argued are just women seeking men and no sex is implied. Keeps their cash flow going, hopefully. The rational of course was to stop women from being trafficked!

    So I have no doubt that LE and politicians are scheming to put pressure on Wade and his SA operation, which they view as nothing more than another source / form of prostitution. So If Wade can demonstrate that "arrangements" are clearly just platonic and has nothing to do with pay to play, he MIGHT be able to dodge a cash cow ending episode.

    Me? When I am on SA, I NEVER EVER talk about any form of payment. It just makes sense to take that kind of discussion "private" to my monger email, accessed only through a VPN. Oh and of course, I am sure everyone is discussing payment is only for legitimate services: companionship, back rubs, dancing or poetry reading.

    So IF Wade is putting up these new warnings & disclaimers, then he is feeling the pressure, it makes sense to be prepared should that pressure materialize and his records get seized. One doesn't want to be in a Ashley Madison situation with ones pants around their ankles!

  2. #14608
    Quote Originally Posted by BamBam  [View Original Post]
    I got the pop-up also but I got at login leaving me to conclude it is going to all members. I never talk PPM but I do suggest we start with a weekly allowance meeting once per week as we build trust.

    Bam.
    Yeah, I think it was meant for everyone. From an operational standpoint it would be way easier (cheaper) just to use the opportunity to remind all members what the site is about rather than to mine all messages looking for trouble.

  3. #14607
    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaron69  [View Original Post]
    I got the same pop up. Guess there has been some complaining. Last week, the SA police blocked me for 24 hrs for using the term "casual encounter". Aren't these all casual encounters?
    Was casual encounter something you mentioned in a couple of messages here or there, or was it something that you sent out in pre-worded introductory blast (I. E. Many copies of same)?

  4. #14606

    Pop up

    Quote Originally Posted by JZLizard  [View Original Post]
    In terms of actual pay per meet, I doubt any SD will just start a girl on a monthly allowance so it's the only way to do things. We should not sweat this one at all, just tell her that the conversation must be taken to text or email to work out details. The ones that are interested will do this pretty quickly anyway. The only caveat is that newer girls haven't worked out the idea of a burner number in their mind and are skittish about giving out their real number (rightfully so).
    I got the pop-up also but I got at login leaving me to conclude it is going to all members. I never talk PPM but I do suggest we start with a weekly allowance meeting once per week as we build trust.

    Bam.

  5. #14605
    Quote Originally Posted by JZLizard  [View Original Post]
    I did get the SA pop-up as well, and since I never make "escort-like" conversation or indicate how much I will pay per meet, I assumed it is something that everyone will see at least once? I could be wrong, there could be a false-positive detection in my messages, but honestly if they are mining the contents of our messages they are undermining their marketing position of a lifestyle-specific dating site that supports anonymity (they do encourage not using real names on their profile).

    The good part about the pop-up is that it was not just aimed at daddies, it also mentioned that SA is neither the place for "online only" bullshit or escorting. Hopefully this means they will start banning the girls who just want to sell sexy pictures and the morons that pay for that, and if we're lucky start reducing the numbers of folks who don't understand the difference between sugar dating and escorting.

    In terms of actual pay per meet, I doubt any SD will just start a girl on a monthly allowance so it's the only way to do things. We should not sweat this one at all, just tell her that the conversation must be taken to text or email to work out details. The ones that are interested will do this pretty quickly anyway. The only caveat is that newer girls haven't worked out the idea of a burner number in their mind and are skittish about giving out their real number (rightfully so).
    I got the same pop up. Guess there has been some complaining. Last week, the SA police blocked me for 24 hrs for using the term "casual encounter". Aren't these all casual encounters?

  6. #14604

    The SA pop-up mentioned here

    I did get the SA pop-up as well, and since I never make "escort-like" conversation or indicate how much I will pay per meet, I assumed it is something that everyone will see at least once? I could be wrong, there could be a false-positive detection in my messages, but honestly if they are mining the contents of our messages they are undermining their marketing position of a lifestyle-specific dating site that supports anonymity (they do encourage not using real names on their profile).

    The good part about the pop-up is that it was not just aimed at daddies, it also mentioned that SA is neither the place for "online only" bullshit or escorting. Hopefully this means they will start banning the girls who just want to sell sexy pictures and the morons that pay for that, and if we're lucky start reducing the numbers of folks who don't understand the difference between sugar dating and escorting.

    In terms of actual pay per meet, I doubt any SD will just start a girl on a monthly allowance so it's the only way to do things. We should not sweat this one at all, just tell her that the conversation must be taken to text or email to work out details. The ones that are interested will do this pretty quickly anyway. The only caveat is that newer girls haven't worked out the idea of a burner number in their mind and are skittish about giving out their real number (rightfully so).

  7. #14603

    ItsPamela

    My apologies fellas. I never had the opportunity to meet her when she was in VAB, but sounds as though she's a RVA regular. She made it sound like she just moved there and was in need of help. Appears she got some advertising out of me none the less. Sorry she wasn't as expected.

    Salty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidad  [View Original Post]
    Salty, you've been hoodwinked. This is Pam of "Pam and Maddy" fame; she is from Richmond and has been in the game (and chasing the dragon) in the area for years. Early to mid 2017 they were working out of a crappy house in Midlo, lately she has been hosting (solo I think) at her BFs house in the East End. Her reviews have been very YMMV but she is a straight up pro.

  8. #14602
    Quote Originally Posted by Zcochran00  [View Original Post]
    Was just messaging a POT about negotiations, and when I refreshed the page, I got a warning dialog that reminded me "SA is only for real relationships, not PPM", and forced me to check off agreement with five principles. They do seem to be doing pattern matching on messages.

    For a while I'd included an email address in my standard greeting, but I stopped doing that at some point. I may have to start that again, although it seems like email is definitely a dying thing among the younger generations.
    They suspended me the other day. I sent three messages one with "pay to play". I wonder if they will lift the ban or refund me since I renewed and was suspended in four hours.

  9. #14601

    SA Disclaimer Check Box

    I got the same pop up today. Seems like a CYA move by SA. I assumed it was something they made everyone check off, but I wonder if it was based on my communication. I never discuss "pay for play", but I do discuss starting with a "pay per meet" allowance if things go well.

    The check box disclaimer makes it clear they don't encourage "pay per meet " allowances. If the allowance isn't in return for intimacy, I'm not sure I understand the concern. Isn't that the premise of WYP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zcochran00  [View Original Post]
    Was just messaging a POT about negotiations, and when I refreshed the page, I got a warning dialog that reminded me "SA is only for real relationships, not PPM", and forced me to check off agreement with five principles. They do seem to be doing pattern matching on messages.

    For a while I'd included an email address in my standard greeting, but I stopped doing that at some point. I may have to start that again, although it seems like email is definitely a dying thing among the younger generations.

  10. #14600
    Was just messaging a POT about negotiations, and when I refreshed the page, I got a warning dialog that reminded me "SA is only for real relationships, not PPM", and forced me to check off agreement with five principles. They do seem to be doing pattern matching on messages.

    For a while I'd included an email address in my standard greeting, but I stopped doing that at some point. I may have to start that again, although it seems like email is definitely a dying thing among the younger generations.

  11. #14599
    Quote Originally Posted by FarFarAway  [View Original Post]
    I have a SB I haven't seen in 6 months (I've been out of the bowl b / c of a mishap). She is an incredibly hot fitness model, half my age, Russian. Yes, I know their reputation as mercenaries. We had great chemistry and she was unhappy I had to stop. Me too. I had located her true identity, I have her resume, home address, etc. I am still anonymous to her. We are back in touch and will meet soon. I must economize for bowl activities, and am thinking that going to her place instead of getting a hotel would enable us to keep seeing each other. What are the +/- of proposing this to her? I would basically need to come out with the fact that I know her real identity.
    I'd keep the fact you already know her identity secret. It might seem like revealing that you already know it gives you leverage, but chances are it would work against you. Use tact to propose the idea of her hosting, and sell the idea by highlighting that it results in more sugar for her because you don't need to pay for a room; as long as you approach that negotiation from the proper angle, there is really no downside to doing so. The worst she can do is say no she can't host -- and there could be lots of reasons (like a live-in bf or gf that she never talks about).

  12. #14598

    Advice

    I have a SB I haven't seen in 6 months (I've been out of the bowl b / c of a mishap). She is an incredibly hot fitness model, half my age, Russian. Yes, I know their reputation as mercenaries. We had great chemistry and she was unhappy I had to stop. Me too. I had located her true identity, I have her resume, home address, etc. I am still anonymous to her. We are back in touch and will meet soon. I must economize for bowl activities, and am thinking that going to her place instead of getting a hotel would enable us to keep seeing each other. What are the +/- of proposing this to her? I would basically need to come out with the fact that I know her real identity.

  13. #14597

    ItsPamela on SA

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidad  [View Original Post]
    Salty, you've been hoodwinked. This is Pam of "Pam and Maddy" fame; she is from Richmond and has been in the game (and chasing the dragon) in the area for years. Early to mid 2017 they were working out of a crappy house in Midlo, lately she has been hosting (solo I think) at her BFs house in the East End. Her reviews have been very YMMV but she is a straight up pro.
    I connected with her on SA and had a dream (that I reviewed) a few weeks back. Killer DT. A real pro! And the pus was wet and tight. She is solo. Damage was much higher than it should have been. I thought she was an SB, not a BP provider at the time. Had I known I would not have offered $$. My bad.

    But the picture is at least several years and 30 (or more) pounds ago. She was not what I expected looks-wise. I'm used to that with BP but not SA.

    She says she has roommates that are flight attendants so they arent there often so I can't say if the apt is her BFs or not. It was comfortable and clean when I was there and she didint seem paranoid or in any kind of hurry.

    I think I read too that she took a short vaca recently but IDK what it was about.

    Be safe!

  14. #14596

    Agree

    I agree with all your points. And I have tried to follow all rules that you guys quoted here in all my meets and conversation.

    In my defense, I can say that I was nowhere close to desperate during our M&G. It was about an hour casual conversation, and we said bye with an agreement to schedule something again. As you said there are just too many possibilities here, and based on my experience I had to follow my gut and let it go. Although, it would have been nice if she could come along.

    Appreciate your feedbacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    I agree with your thought that this is over thinking. I'd also mention that if you act like this it is easy to come across desperate. Desperation will either scare girls off, or in some cases cause them to use the desperation as a means to take advantage of an SD. I'm not saying the OP is desperate, but is dangerously close to looking like it.

    It's been said on this thread many times before, but it is best to use the "abundance theory". Always behave, even if it's not true, that you have an abundant number of options. Women will find that more attractive. You will be seen as less likely to get attached, bring drama or come across like a stalker.

    Best luck searching.
    Quote Originally Posted by CephlapodLove  [View Original Post]
    I dunno, hard to tell what are all of the facts, but I'd say one was over thinking the situation. First one thought a girl was spying on you, now one thinks they are working in packs? Hey, could be. But number one thing is this TRUST YOUR GUT! If you are freaked out about the girl watching you before the date shows up. By all means ASK the date if she had a look out. Then carefully watch her response. Second, might make some sense like OP suggested that all conversation during the M&G should be aimed at getting her into the FC. She balks or has no firm plan of when that will happen. Move on.

    For me the described situation would have freaked me out when I first started in the bowl. I was aware of everything around me and suspicious of stuff that was probably innocuous. But with time, one develops some "Spidey Senses" that are more in tune. That said at any level of experience, when the Spidey Senses make one uncomfortable it is time to back off or move on. I have had buddies who try to "manipulate" a girl to their needs / wishes. This isn't a game of Survivor! Most of the time the guys tried playing games with a girl, it ended badly for him! But when things don't seem right, just back off. As OP have said, plenty of fish in the sea.

    But the case one described could be where the SB thought about it & got cold feet? Maybe for whatever reason she found some trait she didn't like? The smartest way to say "no thanks" for her, in that situation, is to quote a high number that you won't agree to. That way she never actually turns you down, you turn her down.

    So don't over think things, move on, With experience one will learn to adjust and avoid these girls and this kind of thing won't be an issue / bothersome.

    Good Luck!
    Quote Originally Posted by EvilTmp  [View Original Post]
    Dude, about 75% of the people seeking advice on here can be answered with "just stop being so fucking thirsty and desperate". Any pro / semi-pro girl on SA will feed off guy's desperation and use it to bleed them dry.

  15. #14595
    Senior Member


    Posts: 474

    Deceived

    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDog2016  [View Original Post]
    RVA brothers,

    This cutie was once on my SA to-do list when she lived in VB, she's since moved to RVA and I never had the opportunity. She's recently hmu asking if I could help and I just don't get up that way often. Thus, I wanted to ensure y'all had the chance to help her out. Mid 20's, no restrictions. Not sure of your financial obligations but she's super cool to talk with. If you're interested PM me and I'll put you in contact with her.

    All I ask is you have some forum credibility and please dont hmu if you dont contribute to the sharing of information in here.

    Thanks,
    Salty.
    Salty, you've been hoodwinked. This is Pam of "Pam and Maddy" fame; she is from Richmond and has been in the game (and chasing the dragon) in the area for years. Early to mid 2017 they were working out of a crappy house in Midlo, lately she has been hosting (solo I think) at her BFs house in the East End. Her reviews have been very YMMV but she is a straight up pro.

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