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  1. #14583
    Quote Originally Posted by RappaHannock  [View Original Post]
    They are going to flake. It is part of the game and if you are easily frustrated by that then it will not go well for you.
    Well in my case, the frustration was not due to "normal" flaking, such as just becoming incommunicado at the very last minute. I've actually had very good luck investing lots of up front conversation time with the girls I really like, such that they are already in the bag in terms of their desire to show up or whatever by the time the M&G takes place. The kind of shit that I find frustrating is more along the lines of immaturity and poor planning, such as them telling me an hour before the scheduled meeting time that they don't have a ride, and then I have to figure out uber, cab, or drive out of my way to go get them or whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by RappaHannock  [View Original Post]
    As to your experience, maybe she had a spy to check you out and report back before she actually decided she wanted to meet you. That could be possible.
    I believe you meant this for the other poster's experience? I had the same thought, but the main point I wanted to make is that from the time she sits down, every word that is spoken should be targeting the goal of having her in the fuck chamber within the next 2-3 hours, and I didn't ask but I hope he didn't pay her anything to show up and say hello. If I thought she was there with cohorts, I would have been immediately discussing the possibility of getting drinks somewhere else and the outcome of that would have given me a better read on the situation. But I still think it doesn't matter what else is going on if you close with a trip to the FC. Just focus on getting laid and worry about whether she's a UTR or on a spy mission later.

  2. #14582
    You guys are right.

    For # 1: I have accepted that it's a game of patience I was just wondering if I was the only one and should I be changing my strategy.

    For #2: I sort of got cold feet after that meet and greet, I had various thoughts in my head. What if they took my pics with her, and what can be the potential outcome of that? Just to play safe I suppose. But the SB is hot and she was really good in meet and greet and I am so tempted to contact her again. I guess I may decide to roll the dice Any signs that I should be watching for, given what I explained to you guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by RappaHannock  [View Original Post]
    They are going to flake. It is part of the game and if you are easily frustrated by that then it will not go well for you.

    As to your experience, maybe she had a spy to check you out and report back before she actually decided she wanted to meet you. That could be possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by JZLizard  [View Original Post]
    On #1, sometimes they just flake. Just like we often set up plans to meet with 2 or 3 at a time so we have a backup, they do the same thing with SDs, but then you have to throw in the spontaneity dynamic of a nutty young female and the way her mind works, then keep in mind that reliable behavior isn't their strong point. I've had some pretty frustrating scheduling experiences in the past and it's just one of the downsides to the game. I don't really deal with the UTR types, but I would suspect they are more prone to flaking because they have more going on and are approaching the situation like an escort. The college girls that are looking for an exclusive daddy with strong emotional connection are less likely to do that IMHO and I think more likely to value your time.

    On #2, I think you're over thinking it. The other women might have been completely unrelated. It sounded like the M&G happened, but I wasn't sure on whether you attempted a trip to the FC? If you did try, what was her excuse?

  3. #14581
    Quote Originally Posted by JZLizard  [View Original Post]
    On #1, sometimes they just flake. Just like we often set up plans to meet with 2 or 3 at a time so we have a backup, they do the same thing with SDs, but then you have to throw in the spontaneity dynamic of a nutty young female and the way her mind works, then keep in mind that reliable behavior isn't their strong point. I've had some pretty frustrating scheduling experiences in the past and it's just one of the downsides to the game. I don't really deal with the UTR types, but I would suspect they are more prone to flaking because they have more going on and are approaching the situation like an escort. The college girls that are looking for an exclusive daddy with strong emotional connection are less likely to do that IMHO and I think more likely to value your time.

    On #2, I think you're over thinking it. The other women might have been completely unrelated. It sounded like the M&G happened, but I wasn't sure on whether you attempted a trip to the FC? If you did try, what was her excuse?
    They are going to flake. It is part of the game and if you are easily frustrated by that then it will not go well for you.

    As to your experience, maybe she had a spy to check you out and report back before she actually decided she wanted to meet you. That could be possible.

  4. #14580
    Quote Originally Posted by Apothecary  [View Original Post]
    So guys I never knew this treasure of knowledge existed here about SB / SD. I was trying there as a lone wolf so far. Few successes and few setbacks. But man, you brothers! I am glad I found you all.

    I am curious to hear your thoughts on couple of these cases:

    1. Now a few handful times it happened that I have been texting with SBs for couple of weeks. We agreed on all logistics, details, place to meet etc. They show you all sorts of pics including the ones you will want to jump in phone itself. When the day comes to meet, suddenly texts are becoming rare to none and then vanished. Not just one SB but multiple SBs and not in the same city occurrence made me feel annoyed. Not sure what the heck went wrong, especially when even the day before everything is sounding perfect. I never go into too details either, I am not into any of those crazy explorations either.

    2. Now hear this. !! One time found someone at SA, within couple of texts she quotes me xxx amount to meet, and asked me to text. Red flag me thinking may be a Pro. Not to my surprise, when I asked for pics on texts, she sends me the ones you won't resist. Later through texting seems normal, so I decided to meet in person for a meet and greet. Just to test the water.

    But here's the weirdest thing ever, as I walked into that restaurant, I got my eyes on a lady (late 20's, early 30's) sitting there who was looking at me. You know that when someone is keeping an eye on you. While I am talking to the attendant, with my corner eyes I noticed that she said something like "he's here!! " Now I don't know for sure if that was for me or someone else, but I could read her lips saying that. Then in couple minutes this hottie SB shows up to meet me.

    In conversation she seems perfectly normal, talks about her plans of life etc. And we seem to have absolutely normal conversation for almost an hour. Meanwhile within 30 minutes in conversation, I noticed that lady met some other lady and after few minutes they both left while I am still talking to this SB.

    Since I came back from there, I have this bad feeling of that other lady's look and what she said on phone to someone else. May be I am over thinking here, but it was really strange. This SB has her profile for over a year on SA. After that meeting, I briefly texted with thank you and said we could schedule something. She did not contact back yet. I am not sure if I should contact again. Very confused, she was really hot. !!

    Am I over thinking here?

    What do you experts say about two of my strange experiences? Any feedback is appreciated.
    On #1, sometimes they just flake. Just like we often set up plans to meet with 2 or 3 at a time so we have a backup, they do the same thing with SDs, but then you have to throw in the spontaneity dynamic of a nutty young female and the way her mind works, then keep in mind that reliable behavior isn't their strong point. I've had some pretty frustrating scheduling experiences in the past and it's just one of the downsides to the game. I don't really deal with the UTR types, but I would suspect they are more prone to flaking because they have more going on and are approaching the situation like an escort. The college girls that are looking for an exclusive daddy with strong emotional connection are less likely to do that IMHO and I think more likely to value your time.

    On #2, I think you're over thinking it. The other women might have been completely unrelated. It sounded like the M&G happened, but I wasn't sure on whether you attempted a trip to the FC? If you did try, what was her excuse?

  5. #14579
    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaron69  [View Original Post]
    Seems I have been put in SA jail for 24 hrs. Who know you can't use the term casual encounter?

    Someone on there should make a list of things you can't say. LOL.
    Post their correspondence informing you of the violation. Casual encounter seems rather picky. Also post the link to the girl who complained.

  6. #14578

    The SB site behaving strangely

    I have not been able to buy credits. Clicking on the link brings me back to the dashboard.

  7. #14577

    SA Police

    Seems I have been put in SA jail for 24 hrs. Who know you can't use the term casual encounter?

    Someone on there should make a list of things you can't say. LOL.

  8. #14576
    Quote Originally Posted by WildBill225  [View Original Post]
    What is the name of the site? I am a Dom so I know several of the fetish site. Amazing how many of these sugar babies are submissive and dying for bondage and BDSM.
    Its the really popular one, f*tlife. I stopped looking but I'm sure there's even more SA girls there.

  9. #14575
    Quote Originally Posted by Hungre1234  [View Original Post]
    Just FYI, there is a fetish oriented site a sb I see pointed me to. Just looking around it I've run across 4 different girls that are on SA. It's interesting to not only see them naked but to see what their kinks are as well LOL.
    What is the name of the site? I am a Dom so I know several of the fetish site. Amazing how many of these sugar babies are submissive and dying for bondage and BDSM.

  10. #14574

    Would love to see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hungre1234  [View Original Post]
    Just FYI, there is a fetish oriented site a sb I see pointed me to. Just looking around it I've run across 4 different girls that are on SA. It's interesting to not only see them naked but to see what their kinks are as well LOL.
    Would love to check it out. What's the name / link?

    Thanks and be safe!

  11. #14573

    Finding SB on another site.

    Just FYI, there is a fetish oriented site a sb I see pointed me to. Just looking around it I've run across 4 different girls that are on SA. It's interesting to not only see them naked but to see what their kinks are as well LOL.

  12. #14572

    Strange

    So guys I never knew this treasure of knowledge existed here about SB / SD. I was trying there as a lone wolf so far. Few successes and few setbacks. But man, you brothers! I am glad I found you all.

    I am curious to hear your thoughts on couple of these cases:

    1. Now a few handful times it happened that I have been texting with SBs for couple of weeks. We agreed on all logistics, details, place to meet etc. They show you all sorts of pics including the ones you will want to jump in phone itself. When the day comes to meet, suddenly texts are becoming rare to none and then vanished. Not just one SB but multiple SBs and not in the same city occurrence made me feel annoyed. Not sure what the heck went wrong, especially when even the day before everything is sounding perfect. I never go into too details either, I am not into any of those crazy explorations either.

    2. Now hear this. !! One time found someone at SA, within couple of texts she quotes me xxx amount to meet, and asked me to text. Red flag me thinking may be a Pro. Not to my surprise, when I asked for pics on texts, she sends me the ones you won't resist. Later through texting seems normal, so I decided to meet in person for a meet and greet. Just to test the water.

    But here's the weirdest thing ever, as I walked into that restaurant, I got my eyes on a lady (late 20's, early 30's) sitting there who was looking at me. You know that when someone is keeping an eye on you. While I am talking to the attendant, with my corner eyes I noticed that she said something like "he's here!! " Now I don't know for sure if that was for me or someone else, but I could read her lips saying that. Then in couple minutes this hottie SB shows up to meet me.

    In conversation she seems perfectly normal, talks about her plans of life etc. And we seem to have absolutely normal conversation for almost an hour. Meanwhile within 30 minutes in conversation, I noticed that lady met some other lady and after few minutes they both left while I am still talking to this SB.

    Since I came back from there, I have this bad feeling of that other lady's look and what she said on phone to someone else. May be I am over thinking here, but it was really strange. This SB has her profile for over a year on SA. After that meeting, I briefly texted with thank you and said we could schedule something. She did not contact back yet. I am not sure if I should contact again. Very confused, she was really hot. !!

    Am I overthinking here?

    What do you experts say about two of my strange experiences? Any feedback is appreciated.

  13. #14571

    Payment

    Quote Originally Posted by FarFarAway  [View Original Post]
    Great, but how did you pay for your credits?
    I payed with just a regular cc, the charge doesn't have anything that would make it stand out on it that I could tell. But I wasn't worried about it anyway because I don't have a SO.

  14. #14570

    New twist

    I have been playing with Tinder lately. Its actually pretty amusing to see the fake profiles. Most of the real girls are trying to hook up with guys their own age for regular dating but some say they are looking for an SD. Those get superliked if they are cute and nearby.

    None of them have ever turned out to be more than a few texts and then they go silent. Until yesterday.

    I superliked an 18 yo HS student that says she's an aspiring SB, very open minded and bisexual. 5 ft 4, white girl, very fit, blonde and black hair. She liked me back and we started a conversation that quickly moved to text. It took some polite normal conversation to get to the point of really discussing what we are looking for but at this point the (very explicit) parameters of a potential arrangement are nailed down. She is def DTF and the menu is pretty open. She also does not have GPS. Looking for a very reasonable arrangement.

    She is about an hour North of the RVA and doesn't have a car but I am heading up to meet her tomorrow for lunch. Ill keep you posted.

    Wish me luck and be safe!

  15. #14569
    Deeds,

    I haven't been reading the boards lately so I just now saw this. The subject of managing Arrangements Gone Sideways is one of the most important discussion topics in this entire lifestyle. It is one of those matters that truly puts sugar dating on the dating side of the fence and separates it from simple pay-for-play escorting.

    As best as I can recall and if I'm not mistaken, you're in the league of SDs that are considered extremely attractive by the SBs? At least I think that was you and there have been a few others that post here regularly. We have a completely different set of problems with sugar dating that doesn't even apply to a good portion of the SD demographic, and it's hard to approach those subjects on this board without (a) sounding elitist and (b) getting comments from those who don't get it because they don't have the same experiences.

    So your first question:

    (1) Do I put her in her place and call her out, or just ghost her?

    Preventing and preempting this kind of situation is better than doing damage control after the fact! And yes, most of the time it can be prevented, not only by guarding your anonymity very well but also just in your social interactions. It is very rare that I just meet an SB online, swap a couple of texts, then hook up. For each one I meet I spend quite a bit of time exchanging messages just to find out more about who she is. I'm looking for signs of emotional instability, clinger behavior, etc. The filtering process is not perfect but its a good start -- only problem is it is A LOT of work because you have a time investment for each SB, some of whom you may never even meet. Then during your first date, every word that you speak should be geared toward mentally preparing her to have fun, casual sex with a random stranger. You are basically selling the benefits of NSA, drama-less sex, and reminding her of all of the normal dating BS bullshit that you both are avoiding by not getting too deep into each others lives. Sometimes this is hard, because when you are sitting there across the table from an extremely hot 18 or 19 year old that's looking at you all starry-eyed and excited, your first instinct is to maximize your enjoyment and get as much as you can out of the situation. But the reality is you will enjoy it all more if you don't focus on giving her the best orgasm of her life, just focus on the best possible no-complications experience.

    When prevention is no longer an option for whatever reason, you are now in damage control mode. In short, do not abruptly ghost and do not agitate the situation by calling her out. Either one are triggers when dealing with the dynamics of female hormones! Both of these cause behavior spikes. You want to eliminate the peaks and valleys of her behavior. What I try to do is make a commitment to keeping the texting going, keep it positive, keep it full of hope and promise. Simultaneously, inject a distraction like family / work matters, travel out of the country, etc that you can use as a reason to not see her in person, and also that helps explain why the time between your text responses is slowly increasing. Slowly increase the amount of time between texts. She is young and will get impatient, but by doing it gradually you are helping wean her off. Then start throwing in things that would be turn offs for women, like you just found out you're getting a pay cut, or anything you can think of to make her want to know you less.

    Next question:

    (2) How do you brothers keep these girls from finding you?

    The Index has some entry points to discussions about anonymity here:

    http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...=1#post2480829

    No method of anonymity is fool-proof! It's just a risk of the game. However the smart game is to always be on guard and proactively protecting your identity as best as you can, and keep in mind that "highly desired" daddies need to be even more concerned about this than the average SD, so never stop thinking about it. At the same time you need to make it look like you are NOT concerned, and not doing anything to intentionally conceal it, because if they see that as a weakness it could increase their interest in finding out.

    You mentioned them finding out who you are through the hotel, but I don't think that a well-run hotel would ever reveal your identity. Anything like my vehicle registration, etc. Is moved out of reach of the SB (don't anything with your name in your glove box). I specifically do not let them see CC receipts. In fact I try to pay with cash at every possible opportunity because I'm worried they'll read my name on signing of the receipt or whatever.

    But at the end of the day, sometimes my name does get revealed and then it's poker face time, and just convincingly portray that daddy doesn't give a fuck who knows who he is, because if the shit hits the fan he will conquer all takers (without directly saying that).

    And honestly there is some truth to it in my case. Not long ago I was at a restaurant with an SB with a long waiting time (they text you when your table is ready). They asked for phone and last name and I intentionally gave them real last name, she still didn't know my first. I just didn't give a fuck at that point. I had been with her the whole weekend and I knew I laid enough preemptive ground work that she is absolutely not going to ever be a problem. An SB that I didn't know as well I probably would have given a different last name.

    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyDeeds38  [View Original Post]
    I'm a fairly seasoned SD and worked SA off and on for going on four years. I've done well protecting my privacy and such, but have ran into a couple crazies, or jaded women lately. The type who have double standards. Like you owe them a relationship, or something committed, while they're out there fucking everyone. LOL. Usually I've found this happens because they actually like you and when some of these young women like you, they get clingy and downright scary.

    My questions is do you just ghost them outright and not put them in their place? One girl is insisting she find out who I am, where I live, she's mad as hell, as I had sex with her twice, paid her allowance and didn't want to see her again. She's going off on my big time as she felt we had some chemistry between us. Meanwhile, she's working the site 24/7. Do I put her in her place and call her out, or just ghost her? I also know if anyone truly wants to find out about someone today, they can do it. So if she really put her mind to it, I'm sure she could show up at my front door. I was good to this ***** and she won; t just go away.

    The second case is a girl who has a PhD, but in the process she's lost her mind. She's 28, recently graduated with her PhD and she's insane, but sweet. The pressure to find work, her recently lost boyfriend and so, had her on a bag of medications. We went out for drinks and both got a little drunk and made out, held hands, it was sweet, she told me, "I love you" but I attributed it to being drunk. Well now she wants to be exclusive, and wants me to be her boyfriend. She's not had many, only three her entire life. She too is demanding she know who I am, where I live etc, etc. However this girl is actually not seeing anyone and she has kind of a sweet side and I sort of like her.

    How do you brothers keep these girls from finding you? I mean they can look at the credit card slip, check with whatever hotel you stay at, look at your vehicle registration, etc etc and get your name. From there, they got you.

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