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  1. #14700
    Quote Originally Posted by JZLizard  [View Original Post]
    Yes, that is part of what I was trying to say to the poster, even if I was a bit too diplomatic about it. I think he's barking up the wrong tree if he wants "hos". He will definitely find them if that's what he's after, but he will only land overpriced backpage girls that are charging twice as much as they do in their original habitat.

    That feeling of being special you just described is what they are really after -- not just SBs but women in general. This is yet another differentiator between an SB and a pro. A pro is in it for money, period. Maybe she's feeding a habit, maybe not, but at the end of the day her goal is to maximize her income. An SB, above all wants attention and attention from a successful man is like crack to them. It's not an SB exclusive, ALL women want attention. Once that need for attention is being properly fed (a learned skill for the SD), they will take their mind off of money.

    I truly think the trick to success in the bowl is to understand that an SB is closer to a girlfriend or even just a female fuck buddy than an escort. Pull the right strings and they won't even take your money anymore.

    I wrote about this recently, but on my last traveling binge, I dropped my longstanding strategy of sending them home after the sex was over (this by the way is nothing against them, I just sleep better alone). When searching for POTS, I intentionally culled the herd down to about 6 or seven that I really wanted to meet, aiming for one in each city with two backups in case the first fell through. This time, I said fuck it to a good nights rest, and spent between 2-5 days with the ones I wanted to meet the most. Without fail with each one, the need for allowance dropped out of the picture by day two. One started trying to pick up the check for our meals on day two! Another one decided she was in love with me by day 3 and specifically asked me to remove money from the equation, because she didn't really need it and didn't want it to get in the way of what could develop. The others received my standard gift of $$ (not including expenses like meals and drinks), but that's for overnight and multiple rounds, and nothing that was agreed upon or specifically asked for.

    I'm not 100% sure I will do it the same way next time, because breaking it off with the "in love by day 3" girl was a bit draining, I felt like it was a stressful surgical exercise where her emotions were like critical arteries to be cautious of, but the point is that once that need for attention is properly tapped into, the world is our oyster and the girls will line up, sugar or no sugar.
    I think some think there is a set formula. It's different as people are different. I have a 30 year old that has me over feeds me, gets wine, and is literally the best piece of ass I've ever had. No woman on earth could suck a dick like she can. I know she has feelings but I have told her I will never get serious with anyone.

    A 24 year old that costs me dinner and $$ for an all nighter. Total freak, will do as I tell her. Multiple cummer.

    A 19 year old that I basically take out and help with bills. Hot body, sex is very good but she's only good for one shot. It drains her.

    I treat them all as girlfriends in some fashion. The 30 and 24 don't much care if I fuck others. They tell me they are not and I have no reson to believe otherwise based on my observations. The 19 year old I told I didn't want her fucking anyone else. Not sure about this. We haven't talked about that other than I told her I didn't want her fucking anyone. A little selfish but she's fresh and I want to have my fun with her.

    Tonight after we had our fun she went to the bathroom. Called me to come and see our combined cum running down her legs. So hot for both of us.
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  2. #14699
    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    I never pay an allowance for a meet and greet. I always cover the meet expenses, but nothing more.

    I have had a number of girls refuse to meet because of that, but I never felt like I missed out on anything. Some have asked, but still agreed to meet even though I refused to pay an allowance for the meet and greet. I feel like I avoided future headaches.

    My impression is that girls who require an allowance for a meet and greet are scammers or have gps. Neither is my target demographic. LOL.

    I'm curious, have others had successful arrangements with girls who demand an allowance for the meet?
    I personally do not give any money just to met. Scam. The one I'm with now hasn't asked me for money after I gave her some money after we had been intimate. I've seen her after and she hasn't mention anything about money other than she needed to make a credit card payment. I'll help her with that.

  3. #14698
    Quote Originally Posted by FruitNinja  [View Original Post]
    I think the fact that someone would call them hos is part of the problem. That shows a level of disrespect, maybe a nicer approach.
    Yes, that is part of what I was trying to say to the poster, even if I was a bit too diplomatic about it. I think he's barking up the wrong tree if he wants "hos". He will definitely find them if that's what he's after, but he will only land overpriced backpage girls that are charging twice as much as they do in their original habitat.

    Quote Originally Posted by FruitNinja  [View Original Post]
    This is the thing they are running from. The other thing that I find useful is intelligent banter. These girls are in college. Show them you're intelligent. Let them know that you're successful. They have a lot of choices. There are guys that will fly them out to them. I took the 19 year old Latina to a high end steak house last night. I know the neighborhood she grew up in as I used to live there. She's never experienced anything like that. She was amazed at the service and the meal. She felt special. She didn't stop smiling the whole dinner. When we got home she ravished me.
    That feeling of being special you just described is what they are really after -- not just SBs but women in general. This is yet another differentiator between an SB and a pro. A pro is in it for money, period. Maybe she's feeding a habit, maybe not, but at the end of the day her goal is to maximize her income. An SB, above all wants attention and attention from a successful man is like crack to them. It's not an SB exclusive, ALL women want attention. Once that need for attention is being properly fed (a learned skill for the SD), they will take their mind off of money.

    I truly think the trick to success in the bowl is to understand that an SB is closer to a girlfriend or even just a female fuck buddy than an escort. Pull the right strings and they won't even take your money anymore.

    I wrote about this recently, but on my last traveling binge, I dropped my longstanding strategy of sending them home after the sex was over (this by the way is nothing against them, I just sleep better alone). When searching for POTS, I intentionally culled the herd down to about 6 or seven that I really wanted to meet, aiming for one in each city with two backups in case the first fell through. This time, I said fuck it to a good nights rest, and spent between 2-5 days with the ones I wanted to meet the most. Without fail with each one, the need for allowance dropped out of the picture by day two. One started trying to pick up the check for our meals on day two! Another one decided she was in love with me by day 3 and specifically asked me to remove money from the equation, because she didn't really need it and didn't want it to get in the way of what could develop. The others received my standard gift of $$ (not including expenses like meals and drinks), but that's for overnight and multiple rounds, and nothing that was agreed upon or specifically asked for.

    I'm not 100% sure I will do it the same way next time, because breaking it off with the "in love by day 3" girl was a bit draining, I felt like it was a stressful surgical exercise where her emotions were like critical arteries to be cautious of, but the point is that once that need for attention is properly tapped into, the world is our oyster and the girls will line up, sugar or no sugar.

  4. #14697

    Dodged a bullet

    A few months ago, I met an 18 year old high school girl from SA for lunch. I didn't like her that much, so that was the end of that. Just now, I looked her up on social media out of boredom and saw some recent posts of her 18th birthday party. Whoops. Thank goodness we only met for lunch! Time to start checking the driver's license when I meet these girls.

  5. #14696

    Hos for Marto

    https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...c-b481b8c28360

    This girl used to be on Backpage like two years ago. Worst tits I've ever seen, but there is something unique about a girl who's 4'8" (her profile says 4'9", but I think that's their lowest choice because I know she told me 4'8") I think she charged $120 or $140 for a half hour. The number I had for her doesn't work anymore, and my SA isn't paid currently, so I'm stuck waiting to see if she accepts my FB friend request for me to have a way to contact her because I'd like to hook up with her again.

    https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...7-4110f5a7f419

    I haven't met this one yet, but I offered her $400 to come over and she agreed. High, but that body is killer enough to do it once. She's out of town for school most of the time so I haven't yet been able to line up a weekend where she was here and I was feeling rich enough to do it.

  6. #14695
    Quote Originally Posted by TwoDirection  [View Original Post]
    I'm curious, do you ever have girls refuse to meet because of that? I always offer something, though I've had some I sat across from at dinner and considered not giving the money once I could tell I had no interest in seeing them again LOL.
    I never pay an allowance for a meet and greet. I always cover the meet expenses, but nothing more.

    I have had a number of girls refuse to meet because of that, but I never felt like I missed out on anything. Some have asked, but still agreed to meet even though I refused to pay an allowance for the meet and greet. I feel like I avoided future headaches.

    My impression is that girls who require an allowance for a meet and greet are scammers or have gps. Neither is my target demographic. LOL.

    I'm curious, have others had successful arrangements with girls who demand an allowance for the meet?

  7. #14694
    Quote Originally Posted by TwoDirection  [View Original Post]
    I agree that showing you read their profile is important. I'll compliment them on anything except their physical appearance, though. If it's about some specific physical attribute (that's above their shoulders), and you can make it come across as sincere, it can work, but a generic "you're pretty", or worse, "you're hot", falls flat coming from a total stranger (unless it's another woman). Waiting until they've gotten to know you well enough to actually *care* whether you think they're pretty or not, then telling them they are seems to work better.

    I don't bring it up. Inevitably they will ask about it at some point. I ask them if they really think any normal man wouldn't want intimacy with them, and of course they realize how silly that sounds. But I stress that's not what I'm paying them for, that it's not mandatory, and that I don't want them to do anything they're not comfortable with. I've managed to get platonic girls with that before, though it required paying normal price for a number of platonic meetups first. I can understand a guy not wanting to make that investment, but for me it's worth it if the girl is a perfect 10. And the challenge of it can be fun.

    Definitely. Keeping them in their texting app instead of in the SA app also helps reduce their exposure to the guys you're competing with. Plus their phone number sometime yields a Facebook profile that shows they don't look as good as their SA pics and you can save yourself some time (and money, for me). And if that gets you their real name, you can check for arrest records for them to make sure you're not dealing with a basket case.

    I'm curious, do you ever have girls refuse to meet because of that? I always offer something, though I've had some I sat across from at dinner and considered not giving the money once I could tell I had no interest in seeing them again LOL.

    Being able to make them feel you're interested in them, and giving them money, for their company and who they are, not for their body, is the overall key, I think.

    One thing I've found helpful is to ask her sometime when you're hanging out, once things are established with her, to show you some awful messages she's gotten on SA, or awful profiles. Ask her what she didn't like about each one she shows you. You can improve a lot from seeing the mistakes other guys are making.
    Some great info in both these posts. All I can add is once I meet and we are intimate I never stop telling them how pretty and special they are. I can't count how many times I tell my 19 year old Latina how special she is. I find the word "adorable" works well.

  8. #14693
    Quote Originally Posted by JZLizard  [View Original Post]
    I can tell you that if you are looking for "hos" that's pretty much all you'll ever find. Consistently landing real SBs (at least the cream of the crop) takes practice, and one of the key skills needed for success is knowing when to recognize a UTR / pro or any easy girl that's in it for simple pay per fuck so that you can avoid her. Until you acquire that skill, you will be disappointed with sugar dating.

    Also there are some girls who will "pretend" to be overpriced escorts in order to get rid of you quickly. This is because it's easier for them to say they want $500-1000 per date (knowing full well its going to cause you to disappear) than it is for them to just say they're not interested. Many of them are only doing this as a ruse, they would just ghost and probably block someone that says "ok I'll give you $1k for a date". There are girls there who will fuck anyone for the right price, but they are the "hos" to be avoided and not real SBs.

    And I've noticed on some of the other boards that a lot of you guys that seem to have bad luck in the bowl are in small towns. That's a big disadvantage, because hot women gravitate toward large metro areas, and most hot girls in small towns are willing to drive a couple of hours to meet an SD in the nearest large city, even just for an M&G. I love these small town girls, they are extremely adventurous and full of dreams, and the boredom of daily small town life has them so sexually bottled up that they are a lot of fun. They are not really interested in meeting SDs in the towns they live in, mostly because there's nothing to do there and they need a change of scenery. Also if they are truly hot, they likely have SDs contacting them that are willing to fly them to wherever the SD is, so they have no real motivation to look at local SDs. So for guys in smaller towns or rural areas, unless you're willing to do some traveling I don't think the bowl is going to be worthwhile for you.
    I think the fact that someone would call them hos is part of the problem. That shows a level of disrespect, maybe a nicer approach. This is the thing they are running from. The other thing that I find useful is intelligent banter. These girls are in college. Show them you're intelligent. Let them know that you're successful. They have a lot of choices. There are guys that will fly them out to them. I took the 19 year old Latina to a high end steak house last night. I know the neighborhood she grew up in as I used to live there. She's never experienced anything like that. She was amazed at the service and the meal. She felt special. She didn't stop smiling the whole dinner. When we got home she ravished me.

  9. #14692
    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    3) I compliment them in my first message and demonstrate I read their profile.
    I agree that showing you read their profile is important. I'll compliment them on anything except their physical appearance, though. If it's about some specific physical attribute (that's above their shoulders), and you can make it come across as sincere, it can work, but a generic "you're pretty", or worse, "you're hot", falls flat coming from a total stranger (unless it's another woman). Waiting until they've gotten to know you well enough to actually *care* whether you think they're pretty or not, then telling them they are seems to work better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    7) I subtly introduce my interest in intimacy, but i don't focus on it. This makes them feel like less of an escort, but also weeds the platonic girls.
    I don't bring it up. Inevitably they will ask about it at some point. I ask them if they really think any normal man wouldn't want intimacy with them, and of course they realize how silly that sounds. But I stress that's not what I'm paying them for, that it's not mandatory, and that I don't want them to do anything they're not comfortable with. I've managed to get platonic girls with that before, though it required paying normal price for a number of platonic meetups first. I can understand a guy not wanting to make that investment, but for me it's worth it if the girl is a perfect 10. And the challenge of it can be fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    8) I move offline quickly. I need to get them before they get jaded and disable their profile.
    Definitely. Keeping them in their texting app instead of in the SA app also helps reduce their exposure to the guys you're competing with. Plus their phone number sometime yields a Facebook profile that shows they don't look as good as their SA pics and you can save yourself some time (and money, for me). And if that gets you their real name, you can check for arrest records for them to make sure you're not dealing with a basket case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    10) I schedule a meet and greet quickly. I never provide an allowance for the meet and greet, but also make it clear there are no expectations from them.
    I'm curious, do you ever have girls refuse to meet because of that? I always offer something, though I've had some I sat across from at dinner and considered not giving the money once I could tell I had no interest in seeing them again LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    I'm sure I've missed some other points and would be interested in things others do to pursue the elusive "Amateur" SB.
    Being able to make them feel you're interested in them, and giving them money, for their company and who they are, not for their body, is the overall key, I think.

    One thing I've found helpful is to ask her sometime when you're hanging out, once things are established with her, to show you some awful messages she's gotten on SA, or awful profiles. Ask her what she didn't like about each one she shows you. You can improve a lot from seeing the mistakes other guys are making.

  10. #14691
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarto1  [View Original Post]
    I always started with hi when I tried to have a convo with this hos they never answer back but when I asking for rates then it's when I got an answer
    I can tell you that if you are looking for "hos" that's pretty much all you'll ever find. Consistently landing real SBs (at least the cream of the crop) takes practice, and one of the key skills needed for success is knowing when to recognize a UTR / pro or any easy girl that's in it for simple pay per fuck so that you can avoid her. Until you acquire that skill, you will be disappointed with sugar dating.

    Also there are some girls who will "pretend" to be overpriced escorts in order to get rid of you quickly. This is because it's easier for them to say they want $500-1000 per date (knowing full well its going to cause you to disappear) than it is for them to just say they're not interested. Many of them are only doing this as a ruse, they would just ghost and probably block someone that says "ok I'll give you $1k for a date". There are girls there who will fuck anyone for the right price, but they are the "hos" to be avoided and not real SBs.

    And I've noticed on some of the other boards that a lot of you guys that seem to have bad luck in the bowl are in small towns. That's a big disadvantage, because hot women gravitate toward large metro areas, and most hot girls in small towns are willing to drive a couple of hours to meet an SD in the nearest large city, even just for an M&G. I love these small town girls, they are extremely adventurous and full of dreams, and the boredom of daily small town life has them so sexually bottled up that they are a lot of fun. They are not really interested in meeting SDs in the towns they live in, mostly because there's nothing to do there and they need a change of scenery. Also if they are truly hot, they likely have SDs contacting them that are willing to fly them to wherever the SD is, so they have no real motivation to look at local SDs. So for guys in smaller towns or rural areas, unless you're willing to do some traveling I don't think the bowl is going to be worthwhile for you.

  11. #14690

    Good Stuff!

    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    In my pursuit of "Amateur" SBs, I've learned a few things I've found to be important.
    Great stuff and a great guide. Thank you for posting / sharing!

  12. #14689

    Pursuit of Amateur SBs

    In my pursuit of "Amateur" SBs, I've learned a few things I've found to be important.

    1) I catch them right after they first join. Like its been said, before they get jaded or chased away by the p4p offers.

    2) I have a profile pic and an interesting profile, but not arrogant profile. Show a sense of humor and humility.

    3) I compliment them in my first message and demonstrate I read their profile. Many are looking to be treated better then guys their age so I play the part by being a gentleman.

    4) I share my success in past long term arrangements. Most newbies want someone who knows what they are doing and can show them the ropes.

    5) I express an interest in developing a friendship, but not a serious relationship. They don't want to feel like escorts, but also don't want a boyfriend.

    6) I make sure they know I understand the concept of an allowance, but never discuss specifics and that I make it clear i won't try to be the highest bidder. This weeds out the gps girls.

    7) I subtly introduce my interest in intimacy, but i don't focus on it. This makes them feel like less of an escort, but also weeds the platonic girls.

    8) I move offline quickly. I need to get them before they get jaded and disable their profile.

    9) I don't push too hard, because I don't want to appear desperate or spook them away.

    10) I schedule a meet and greet quickly. I never provide an allowance for the meet and greet, but also make it clear there are no expectations from them.

    11) I always show a sense of humor. This takes the tension out of the discussion ad helps then feel comfortable.

    12) I expect this to take a lot of work and I get rejected often, but I enjoy the challenge and the hunt. Persistence has paid off. Finding a straight p4 p deal with an escort doesn't meet my need for the "thrill of the chase".

    I've had some great experiences that keep me coming back for more. I've had all night multiple rounds with extremely beautiful and freeky women where we never discussed an allowance (I've just slipped them something on their way out). This type of "relationship" allows many women to explore their freeky side in a comfortable non-judgemental setting.

    I'm sure I've missed some other points and would be interested in things others do to pursue the elusive "Amateur" SB.

  13. #14688

    Agreed

    Nice approach to all and understand about Willy Nilly handing over like a commodity. Sounds like you've had a blast, and for that matter so did the girls.

    Win (freaking) Win!

    Quote Originally Posted by FruitNinja  [View Original Post]
    You are spot on. There are a number of pros on the site but for the most part they are your average girls next door that heard about SA through a friend. I prefer girls going to school because they are the ones testing the waters. I like to get them when they just join. I have had four arrangements that have lasted from 2-3 years. One lived with me for three years. Moved in when she was a little over 18 and moved out a little after she turned 21. I had her for her best years. She was intelligent, mature for her age, submissive and had a body to die for. Most need a connection before they will go to bed with you. All a pro needs is the $$ You want a pros number? I have no problem providing that. You want the number of a SB? Not going to happen. Now if I hadn't deactivated my account and I knew one was a DTF I have no problem forwarding her profile and then you do the talking.

    My last one loved threesomes. That would be her laying down. The blonde was one I had seen multiple times but our schedules were not compatible. Both amazing.

    But that's the nature of USG, or maybe even the world in general. Everyone wants things handed to them. Do the effin work or go home. I've literally spent 10's of thousands of dollars over the years. Bought cars for them, taken them on vacations in the states and overseas. Like a real relationship. And then when I'm done for whatever reason I'm supposed to give their numbers out to random effin strangers. I'm sorry, I have too much respect for them. And if you think that this would be an OK thing to do then that's probably why you can't pull anything from SA. I don't care if she's a hooker from BP show them respect and you will go far. Make them laugh and you will go further, show them a good time and you're in.

    When I explain life to the guy he sends me back a profane message. Really? Fuck that shit!

  14. #14687
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarto1  [View Original Post]
    if this hos pay 90 bucks for a membership they are expecting their investment back in large amounts
    The women don't have to pay for memberships on SA. As long as they have a public pic available, they're allowed to read their messages for free.

    They also usually don't realize that we do have to pay for it. I've talked to several who were surprised to hear that, and shocked to hear that it's $90/ month.

  15. #14686
    Quote Originally Posted by Madaboutmax  [View Original Post]
    I wish more guys knew how to navigate the waters and not scare away the newbies.
    I don't think they care, though, since it doesn't effect them if they drive away non-pro's in their search for pro's.

    I've found that if you don't catch a girl within the first few days of her signing up, it's probably too late. After that, they either stop using the site, they're a pro, or they've gotten jaded by all the disrespect and have become too tough a nut to crack.

    It pays to refresh the recent list often. I like to catch ones whose pics haven't even been approved yet. If they're 18-20, slim, and either white, Asian, Middle Eastern or Indian, it's worth messaging them on the good chance they'll be hot. And they like that (they think) you were interested just based on what they wrote since their pic isn't up yet.

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